The best disinfectant against all the corruption and all the lies of Obamacare
is the light of truth! Dr. Krauthammer's diagnosis is spot on!
Charles used to be more open minded, more broad in his articles -- Over the last 2-3 years -- he has become a mind numbing parrot, is like a SKIP in a record,spewing the same rhetoric, on the same
topic, with the same arguments, to the same audience. Polly want a cracker?...
If we're heading in the direction of Britain's NHS that's great.
The problem is the piecemeal way we're going about it.
LDS Liberal. Please tell us what parts or any specific things that Dr.
Krauthammer wrote in his article that is untrue! All you did was attack him
personally! That is disingenuous, irrational and so "liberalistic":
Can't debate the message so you attack the messenger!
Well, as presidential lies go it's pretty benign. Nixon lied and the nation
was embarrassed. Reagan lied and gave guns to rebels. Bush lied and a million
Iraqis died. Obama lied and millions of American people had to get a
better insurance policy that for most people cost less. Millions more were
ALLOWED to buy health insurance or could quit their corporate job they only kept
for the insurance. The gnashing of teeth is getting louder but
it's still just a poodle with no other ideas.Birth certificate,
Kenya, death panels, it wasn't our idea.... last years biggest lies.
But Krafty, you CAN keep you old terrible health care plan if you want to. Since
republicans made such a fuss, the old plans are grandfathered in. It's just
that they are more expensive for the care you will get so.....ya, nobody really
wants to keep them. Republicans will and have blamed Obama for the weather after
Here's Obama's biggest lie, "The United States Senate —
Democrats and Republicans — (voted) to keep our government open."Politifact says, "Not a single Republican ultimately voted for the
bill"So if you're upset at how the government is working,
just remember that ALL of your representatives voted to keep the US government
shut down and out of business.
LDS Liberal said it very succinctly, but if I might add one other to his very
factual list!Krauthammer never has any "suggestions of his own"
just complaints! He is a bitter, bitter man who has never come to terms with
@LDS LiberalAnd yet you aren't disputing anything stated in the
article. Truth is still truth, even when you don't like it.@HutteriteI lived in the UK for 2 years. You have no idea what you are
talking about. The NHS there was so bad that when a friend of mine (a Brit)
needed to see the doctor, not only did it take weeks before he could be seen,
but I was personally horrified by the conditions of the place. No, moving to a
UK style NHS is NOT a good idea.
@the old switcherooNixon was impeached, Iran Contra wasn't a lie,
just a poorly executed foreign policy, and to this day, nobody can definitively
prove that Bush lied (that there truly was no WMD, or that he was informed
correctly about them).On the other hand, O clearly knew in advance
that he was deceiving the American Electorate, and continued right up until it
was too late. So, are you proposing that we should follow the Nixon route with
O? I would agree with you.
The old switcheroo:re: "Obama lied and millions of American
people had to get a better insurance policy that for most people cost
less."What you should have said is, "Obama lied and millions
of American people had to get an insurance policy that other Americans were
forced to pay for".ObamaCare does not cost less, it costs more.
ObamaCare just forcibly takes from some to pay for medical insurance for others.
Let's be clear about what we are saying.
I would ask everyone how you will spend the $2500 Obama promise his Obamacare
would save the average family in health care insurance premiums? Remember, he
promised, so surely it must be true!
Because the president believes that the end justifies the means, a lie is not
considered a lie. Sen. Gillibrand D-NY stated that everyone knew Mr.
Obama's 2009 promises were not true. The unfortunate fallacy is that the
Affordable Care Act provides neither affordable or universal care.
"By the Department of Health and Human Services' own estimates, about
75 million Americans with employer-provided insurance will see their plans
canceled. And millions of middle-class workers who will migrate to the exchanges
and don't qualify for government subsidies will see their premiums,
deductibles and co-pays go up." This is a very dishonest and an untrue
statement. Changes have occurred, as happens almost every year with insurance
policies. According to the California experience, most are seeing improvements,
especially with company and large group sponsored programs. Why does the
Editorial Board continue to promote falsehoods with this writer.
Irony: Charles Krauthammer, in accusing Obama of lying, describes
the ACA as a "total federal takeover of healthcare".Either
he thinks the right wing of American politics are mindless zombies, or he wants
to break into comedy writing. This is like back in college when you'd
write something completely off topic in themiddle of a paper, just to see if the
professor actually reads students' papers.
Re; Kirk Graves"On the other hand, O clearly knew in advance that he
was deceiving the American Electorate"I am certain that you must
have absolute proof to back that statement up, and equally certain that you
would be willing to share it with us! I can't imagine that this would be
just another parroting of Right Wing AM radio rhetoric!
"Either he thinks the right wing of American politics are mindless zombies,
or he wants to break into comedy writing."Well, he's not
remotely funny, so I guess the answer is...Seriously, Krauthammer
writes as though the ACA came straight from the Politburo, and remains willfully
oblivious to the fact that the core principals of the ACA originated with the
Heritage Foundation and we're implemented successfully in Massachusetts by
Governor Mitt.By the time the 2016 elections roll around the ACA
will be firmly in place and operational, and the GOP will have to invent new
nonsense to keep FOX viewers' neck veins throbbing and checkbooks open.
Can't wait until we have an NHS, too. Make medicine so non-lucrative that
we have to import most or all of our doctors from the developing world. Make
our hospitals operate as though they ~were~ in the developing world. Ration
care and tell all those useless old/sick people just to go off and die
somewhere. Cease research and innovation, and stop investing in new
prescription meds. But, hey, single-payer is what the Dems want, so it must be
a good idea, right?
I wish Krauthammer would cite his sources. I just don't believe all of his
made-up statistics and even worse, his doomsday future statistics that are
worthy of a sequel to the Minority Report. Ironically, every time the President
comes out with his made-up statistics, Krauthammer is the first one to question
their veracity. In my opinion, it cuts both ways. It should cut both ways for
anyone wanting to know the truth for themselves and are not too lazy or
uneducated to dig into them.
I guess that the right no longer thinks Politifact is just lamestream liberal
media.At least for today.
Well folks - "time will tell. The insurance for the wealthy will be the
best medical insurance available along with best Dr's, and hospitals; the
truly poor will have Medicaid but access to Dr's will be limited; The
middleclass families. Medical insurance will have co-pay for regular Dr's
- high co-pay for specialists, and a high (er) deductibles. Any way one cuts it
- The middle class budget will take a big financial hit if one should become
seriously ill or need surgery.
JoeBlow: "I guess that the right no longer thinks Politifact is just
lamestream liberal media."Of course conservatives still think
that Politifact is "lamestream liberal media". That is what makes their
pick of the biggest lie so significant. If a conservative paper said it (and
just about every one of them has), liberals just write them off as hacks.The lie is so big and obvious, even the most liberal biased sources have
to admit it or they lose whatever credibility they have.
The real lie of the year is Barack Obama. Everything about this man is a lie.
From Benghazi to the IRS audits against conservatives to Obamacare.
Barack's entire political career was based on lies from the start to the
present and the man has grown past feeling. The ends justify the means in his
mind. His enablers pump him full of self promoting propaganda and I actually
think he believes most of the lies. His presidency is historic alright - the
most corrupt in US history.
I am in utter shock that there is ANYONE who still buys into Obamacare. I guess
hyper partisanship is a pretty hard thing to give up even in the face of
facts.Obamacare is a complete disaster and it just gets worse by the
day. This is what happens when you hire someone who is unqualified, incompetent,
narcissistic and has a far-let agenda.P.S. My husband lived in
England for two years. He couldn't believe how bad the health care was.
The same is true for others I have known. Don't pit British National
Health as an example of anything we would want to follow.
That lie is found in Krauthammer's column. Example (but not the only
example) -- the one to which I am responding.
Ralph West JordanI suppose Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Payne, John
Adams, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, etc. were all just "bitter,
bitter" men over England's tight grip over the 'colonies'.I'd much rather be a "parrot" with the truth than a lemming
following the mantra of...“We have to pass the (health care)
bill so you can find out what is in it”.I'm very grateful
for men like Charles Krauthammer that can articulate the problems. It will be up
to us as citizens to cure the problems when it comes time at the ballot box.
Cats - my dad lived there for 14 years... just moved back to the states. He
would put the care he received there up against what he gets here any day of the
week. Of course he was there, raising a family, earning an income, and paying
bills... perhaps he had a different perspective.Krauthammer in this
piece is a perfect example of what is so wrong with society today. We are
unlike the generations past that tried to build, a generation complainers and
finger pointers. Rather than doing, we complain how someone has done us wrong.
Rather than sacrificing to create a better world for our kids, we have the
ultimate in entitlement attitude that we are guaranteed greater prosperity,
without the sacrifice.Rather than ending the year pointing out what
we can do in 2014, he resorts to the lazy and unimaginative work of journalistic
whining. It is far more work to be "for" something, then it is to point
out what others have done wrong.Another sign of American laziness
and sense of entitlement.
I can't wait to get my "$2,500" insurance rebate from Obama. He
promised it and we surely need it to pay for the "new" insurance that
raised our deductible from $3,500 to $7,000, moved prescriptions so that we have
to meet the $7,000 deductible before prescriptions are included, separated
normal "preventative" blood tests so that we have to meet the $7,000
deductible before they pay for blood tests. Yes, ObamaCare is so wonderful.
It's going to bankrupt us if we get sick. But what is $7,000 to Obama? He
just wasted several million in government revenue to go to Hawaii for another
Christmas vacation. He could not care less about us "peons" as long as
he lives in luxury. After all, transferring 18% of all private profits into the
government to pay for ObamaCare will keep him and his entourage living in luxury
while real Americans carry his burden on our backs. Thanks Obama and Merry
Same ol conservative agenda. If politifact says something against a liberal they
take it as fact and if they say something against a republican the fact is
brushed aside as liberal propaganda.Ridiculous.
UtahBlueDevilSee my comment above. I find it humorous that people
complain about complainers and journalistic whining when in fact it is the
catalyst for change. We are a country of free speech aren't we? There are few good men and women these days that speak the facts. Our
president and his administration had to lie to get the votes for him to ramrod
this through.That sir is a fact.And why would anyone
complain about someone else stating the facts about this legislation when Nancy
Pelosi stated we will find out later what they are?I believe the
people are finally realizing what Obamacare is really about.Thank
you Charles Krauthammer and other whining journalists.
UtahBlueDevil:Did you really just say the following in defending
Obamacare? "Rather than sacrificing to create a better world for our kids,
we have the ultimate in entitlement attitude that we are guaranteed greater
prosperity, without the sacrifice."Obamacare is the
"ultimate entitlement". People who work hard are being forced to pay
for the entitlement attitudes of those who would rather it were given to them,
rather than sacrifice to earn it themselves.
Speaking "facts" does nothing.... anyone can do that. Particularly
when "facts" are so relative now days.@sammyg - as one of my
first managers told me, a complaint isn't worth anything without a
solution. The difference between those who succeed and those who don't is
that those that don't succeed spend all their efforts justifying why they
can get ahead, and those who do succeed spend their time finding solutions to
those things that would hold them back." Charles Krauthammer and
other whining journalists" are just that..... people who live who lack the
drive to actual instigate real change. I respect men like Senator Lee - whose
politics I don't agree with - but he at least has the courage of his
convictions to try to do something.Charles Krauthammer - if he
proposed one solution - would at least be progressing something. But alas... he
does nothing but collect checks through his entitlement whining.
@Fred Vaderer - I know it is hard for many to believe, but many of us are not as
obsessed by the evil Obamacare as you all are. This is hardly a make it or
break it thing in my opinion - either way - on our future as a nation. Many
democracies have actual socialized health care - and freedom is still prevails.
Obamacare is an economic issue, not a political one. There are far greater
risk to our freedom than Obamacare.And yes, I actually said that.
We forget the hard work of the previous generations - to ensuring that employees
had decent health care, that one could actually retire securely. The current
"entitled" generation fervently believes they shouldn't have to pay
for anything, feels no responsibility to those who came before that earned the
standard of living we currently enjoy. Its all about "me" and "my
money" and "my paycheck". Ultra conservatives claim it
is for their children they fight - and yet choose not to fund education, and
willingly sell off resources so that they can have theirs now, with little
investment in future resources... showing little concern for future generations.
Yes... ultra conservatives are the ultimate self entitled minded class.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahI can't wait to get my
"$2,500" insurance rebate from Obama. He promised it and we surely need
it to pay for the "new" insurance that raised our deductible===== Bleet, bleet, bleet....Complains a man about ready to
sign up for Social Security and Medicare.
Charles Krauthammer and the rest of the FoxNews pundits crack me up.They propose nothing, Complain about everything, Opine about a
select few things, and in order to make real changes, refuse to run for
office in anything.
"he does nothing but collect checks through his entitlement whining.""Entitlement whining" is what founded this country. Leave it to
a lib to criticize free speech when it doesn't suit their agenda. LOLTherefore all libs are hypocrites. And the president and his
lapdogs still lied about Obamacare.
Kirk R Graves,Nixon was not impeached. He resigned before being
impeached because he saw the writing on the wall. But he was not impeached, he
resigned. Bill Clinton is the only modern President who Congress
actually voted to impeach. This is a quote regarding the numerical facts on
the subject... "Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives
on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December
19, 1998... A two-thirds majority (67 Senators) was required to remove Clinton
from office. Fifty Senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of
justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no Democrat
voted guilty on either charge". So Clinton was saved because
ZERO Democrats agreed he committed any crime, and Republicans didn't have
the 2/3rds majority needed.So bottom line... Bill Clinton was
impeached (that's step one), but the vote to remove him from office for
those offenses failed (step 2). But being impeached and being removed from
office are 2 separate but related events.---I think
it's interesting that Nixon lies and America is embarrassed, but Obama lies
and nobody is even surprised.
Mike RichardsRE "I can't wait to get my "$2,500"
insurance rebate from Obama"...I don't qualify for a
rebate. But I'm glad you will get your $2,500. That will just be
another $2,500 that a tax payer like me paid to the Government, that actually
goes to you instead of the Government.I don't know how much I
pay in taxes, but if there are too many people like you who chip away $2,500 a
whack at what I pay in... there may be nothing left to run the Government. I really don't see how the Government can go around handing out
money, and run a businesses like the largest Healthcare insurance company in the
US (with premiums they know won't cover the expenses)... and still run the
Government.I guess they just feel they have so much money coming
in... they can afford to do all this.And they can always raise taxes
anytime they want, as long as they promise it won't affect the majority (so
they are guaranteed the numbers to approve raising the taxes on just a small
vilified group of Americans).
@theoldswitcherooPerfect moniker for an Obama acolyte. But
that's okay. You can keep your screen name if you like your screen name.
2 bits,Maybe my attempt at humor failed. Obama promised each family
in America $2,500 REDUCTION in insurance costs per year. He promised us that we
could keep our existing plans and our existing doctors. Because of him, my
insurance rates have drastically gone up. There is no "savings". He
lied. I couldn't keep my existing plan. He lied. I don't know yet
which doctors will honor my insurance. He lied about that too.Airnaut,It's good to know that you would prepay for gas or
groceries your whole life, not because you wanted to, but because the government
forced you to, and then when it was finally time to redeem those credits,
someone from the Department of Defense would ridicule you for actually expecting
the government to keep its promise. How noble of you to expect me to give away
over $300,000 "contributed" to Social Security and many, many thousands
"contributed" to Medicare. Maybe you're paid much too much if you
can afford to prepay your retirement and then have some young whippersnapper
tell you that you don't deserve the promised "benefits". How very
gracious of you, but thanks for your concern.
I never have supported the ACA. I was optimistic it might work. Now I am
convinced the critics are right. It is as flawed as they predicted. We did
need changes in Healthcare. Stop insurance companies from dropping coverage on
sick people and find ways to insure the uninsurable. Health care is to
expensive for even the wealthy. Find ways to help the uninsured and leave the
rest of alone. It's that simple.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahHow noble of you to expect me to give
away over $300,000 "contributed" to Social Security and many, many
thousands "contributed" to Medicare.=====Oh I
see, NOW you feel "entitled" to it.How "noble"
of you. btw -- I've chiped over the last 44 years as well, and yes -- I feel entitled to it.And I'm OK with it.BUTI'm being honest, I don't say one thing, and then do
the polar opposite, I live a life of integrity.But, thanks for
The DN blogosphere seems to be overheating and maybe that's due to your
traditional marriage being threatned. People need to lighten up and stay
objective. Krauthammer is an entertainer. He is getting paid to entertain his
audience. Look at the demographics of Fox News and those that follow him. For
the most part they are white, elderly, middle to upper class, and religous. His
acts are written to entertain those people and hating BO and the ACA feeds right
into their wheelhouse. If your annoyed by his writings simply don't read
them. Or better yet, educate yourself and sharpen your arguments to add to a
Airnaut says that he deserves his Social Security and Medicare because he paid
into it, but nobody else does. Why should his "contribution" be honored
but the "contributions" of anyone with whom he disagrees should be
seized and given to other liberals? Krauthammer was absolutely
correct. Obama lied. The tragedy of that is that his supporters believe those
lies. Some of us would question their ability to think for themselves. When
Obama speaks, they jump. When Obama blames Bush, they cheer. When Obama tells
them that Benghazi was caused by a movie, they nod their heads in agreement.
When Obama tells them that Catholic owned hospitals must pay for contraceptives
and abortions, they agree.Read the posts and see for yourselves.
Read how they blame anyone who doesn't think like they do. What is their
plan for success? All they can do is blame Republicans and Conservatives. Are
they even aware that Obama added $6,000,000,000,000 to the deficit? Are they
aware that he will add another $4,000,000,000,000 to the deficit before he
leaves office? What is their plan? Do they even have a plan - except to blame
To LDS Liberal, it is difficult to have your chosen dogma shown to be without
merit or gredibility. The first step in recovery is to admit that you have a
problem. To discredit the messenger does nothing to discredit the truth.
We are starting to expect lies and this program to go hand-in-hand. They seem
to be constant companions. The ACA signup deadline came and passed, but they
changed it. Why would we expect anything else.I don't see how
this program makes healthcare more affordable. The actual cost will not
change, and will in fact continue to rise with at least the same rapidity as it
has for years. This law only changes WHO PAYS. But in the end the same amount
is paid (just by other people).The GOOD things about this program
are the outlawing not covering pre-existing condition,s and the State Insurance
Exchanges, but we could have gotten that without the rest of the 2000 pages of
rules, exceptions for votes, and loopholes.I expect some people will
like it. But some won't. But that's tough. It's here to
stay. We won't get the next big change until the system
collapses. This program is designed to nudge us in that direction. It's
a baby-step for progressives, not the end-step.
Yes LDS Liberal, and all others supporting the ACA, at least admit that the
biggest obxymoron in political history is the term "Affordable Health Care
Act". The real title should be the "More Expensive Health Care, With
Less Coverage Act". Because that is what many will be getting. The only
provision of the ACA that should be kept in (if it is in there at all) is the
ability of people with pre-existing conditions to get health care without it
being financially ruining. But the rest of this mess, throw it out and hit the
World not going too well right now is it conservatives? This whole
lie thing is ridiculous and pure theatre as another poster said. Regardless of
what the President said or meant, one of the primary intents of the law was to
force an upgrade of minimum coverage. Everyone knew this that knew anything
about the law at all.The plan was millions of policies would have to
change (or as conservatives say lose their policies). Millions would get
cheaper policies and millions would have to pay more for more coverage, and
guess what that's exactly how it's working out. The
Presidents statement hasn't changed any of this he just stepped in a
political mud hole is all. My guess from reading most of the
comments is that the law and the Presidents statement hasn't effected the
insurance coverage one bit for most if not all of the posters except to provide
fodder for their anger.
PragmatistferlifeThe world is going splendidly right now for
conservatives. Obama is in the tank and sinking. Democrats in red states are
scrambling to become more conservative to win re-election in 2014. Others, like
Matheson are running for the hills instead of running for reelection. And
public opinion polls are showing that Americans are finally waking up to what a
mess this turn to Democrats has caused this country. No, prag.... I'm
quite happy with how things are going right now.
Dr Charles hit the nail on the head. Just ask any of your many Canadian friends
that now calls Utah home. We are headed for terrible ahead relative to
healthcare (the state issues are starting to get bad thanks to our Gov, but
thats for another day).
SCfan, you just keep thinking that bud. Obama is in the tank, the
Republicans have fallen through the floor. Nearly 60% of Americans favor or
want a more liberal ACA law.Well over two thirds of Americans favor
same sex marriage, and Utah...well. Who cares if Democrats in
"red states" are becoming more conservative they weren't
progressive in the first place and couldn't be counted for basic Democratic
policies ever. The point is red states are becoming more radical in general and
it's not working on any kind of a national scale. So once
again you just keep thinking.BTW that rino Christie is the only one
of the potential '16 Presidential candidates that even comes close to
Hillary in at this point. Point being the arrow doesn't point in the
direction you think it does.
A tyrant is defined as "any person who exercises his authority in an
oppressive manner" such as king George of England. Our founding Fathers
created the constitution to protect against tyranny. When a tyrant rules the
people mourn! Food for thought!
@happy2behere"at least admit that the biggest obxymoron in political
history is the term "Affordable Health Care Act"."Healthcare costs recently have increased at the slowest rate in half a
century. The ACA has of course largely not gone into effect yet though so
it's role is somewhat minimal. Certainly wasn't hurting anything. Now
for this upcoming year, you all seem to forget the massive subsidies and the
Medicaid expansion (maybe because only blue states are actually doing that
expansion). Hannity had a special with three couples affected by Obamacare.
Factchecking afterwards showed that the guy talking about laying off employees
only has half a dozen and isn't subject to the employer mandate. The other
two couples there were plans on the market that were better and cheaper for
them, they just didn't find them (one openly said she didn't look at
all). Maybe you all just aren't looking and are just assuming something
that doesn't exist.I know one friend of mine was severely
harmed, only because Obamacare doesn't give subsidies to the Medicaid
expansion range since it assumed all states would expand it. Utah didn't.
"Bush lied and a million Iraqis died."Bush didn't
lie... He merely acted on intelligence sources... And he asked the Congress for
approval, i.e., 'Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq' --
voted on approved by many Democrats including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and
Joe Biden."Birth certificate, Kenya, death panels, it
wasn't our idea.... last years biggest lies."Birth
certificate: Has numerous unexplained problems casting doubt on authenticity.
The reason he will not supply his college documents is that they probably show
he registered as a foreign student.Death panels: if your young you
don't have a worry. If your old count on not getting needed health care.
As he says --- 'just go home and take a pain pill.'"So
if you're upset at how the government is working, just remember that ALL of
your representatives voted to keep the US government shut down and out of
business."The Republican-controlled House passed several bills
to fund the government, keeping it open. The Democrat-controlled Senate refused
to take up the bills. So, who closed down the government?