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  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    Hahahaha!

    thanks, I needed a good laugh!

    Mike Lee is just hanging low for the time being. He hasn't changed. He and his buddies, like Cruz, are just laying low and hope that voters will "forget" what they did a few months ago.

    Voters won't.

    Mike Lee and Ted Cruz shut down the government.
    The American people have already shut down the Tea Party.
    In 4 more years the Tea Party will be gone.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    He better do it fast because all of my country club buddies want him to be a one term Senator.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 17, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    To deserve victory, conservatives have to do more than pick a fight. We have to win a debate. And to do that … [w]e need an agenda.” Second, he urged fellow Republicans to engage in a “Great Debate” and cease trying to purge more moderate Republicans from its ranks.

    Succinctly,

    Have an actual plan. Being the party of no is tired.
    Open up the tent. Take a person that gives you 80% of what you want.

    And I will quote Jindal. "Stop being the Stupid party"
    Lose the over-the-top angry rhetoric and publicly bash the crazies and the birthers.

    Be the kind of leaders your average American wants.

    I have and I could vote R in the next presidential election. But not for a crazy.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 6:41 a.m.

    mcbillay: I'm not a big Lee fan but what I detest even more is willful blindness. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't read the article prior to your post. Your claim that his movement is just "words on paper" doesn't demonstrate open-mindedness on your part. The article pointed out these specific actions Mike Lee has already taken:
    - Presented an anti-poverty agenda that transcends existing policies
    - Offered broad reform strokes on several issues including:
    - consolidating and trimming federal programs
    - expanding K-12 education opportunities to underprivileged students
    - expanding access to higher education
    - reforming the fed's criminal justice and penal system
    - Helped introduce the Leahy-Lee Patent reform bill (praised by Obama administration)
    - Worked with Durbin (D) on sentencing reform legislation
    - Worked with Feinstein (D) on indefinite detention legislation
    - Worked with Schummer (D) on visa reform legislation

    It sounds to me like he has been very busy on doing a lot more than just putting words on paper. What does he have to do to please you? Switch parties?

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 6:48 a.m.

    @Maverick "In 4 more years the Tea Party will be gone."

    You misapprehend what the tea party even is. Because of this, your predictions about its future will always be wrong -- just as your previous ones have been.

    You've been told that we're extremists who hate government, when in fact we are everyday human beings who love our country, and want to leave it a better place for our children and grandchildren. We read the Constitution, and we recognize that it provides a structure for the preservation and advancement of freedom, and we want to live by it. We see government as good when it stays within its proper bounds. We value individual liberty and self-reliance. We believe in wise fiscal management. These are the ideas that drive our cause, and there are many, many people who adhere to them.

    Take note that these ideas animate not only protest, but also positive action. Mike Lee is articulating this now, and you see his leadership and influence growing. You will see the tea party movement continue to grow.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    Mike Lee has not "changed" to improve the Tea-Party!

    Seriously,
    He has now only miraculously "changed" because he knows he has failed and is obviously doomed,
    and will now say or do anything to get re-elected.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Second, he urged fellow Republicans to engage in a “Great Debate” and cease trying to purge more moderate Republicans from its ranks.

    =========

    Hmmmm,
    Funny because isn't that HE did to Senator Bob Bennett?

    Still sounds like a man desperate to stay in office.

    BTW --
    If he was never wrong in the first place,
    If he was this so called "strong leader" and not willing to cave to political pressure, yahda-yahda...

    WHY now the New and improved Mike Lee?
    The more Moderate Mike Lee?
    The more compromising Mike Lee?
    The more RINO Mike Lee?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    So now Mike Lee is in favor of a thing called "education." My stars.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Hopefully he changes it into a memory.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Mike Lee learned a lesson from Romney: for a sizable portion of the electorate who are simply Obama haters, it doesn't matter how much you flip or flop, they will vote for anything that is not Obama.

    I'm just a bit surprised at how much of a propaganda piece this is by Jowers, whom I would expect to be less of a cheerleader and more of a scholar about it. Did Jowers accept another donation to the Institute from Mike Lee or his cronies?

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    But I thought it was all about standing on principle? I guess this captain isn't willing to go down with the ship.

    LDS Liberal is spot on, as usual.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    As I read these DesNews message boards, I am constantly reminded who the real haters are.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    So Mike Lee is now saying exactly what moderate Conservatives and Independents have been saying for 3+ years - but somehow, when he says it, it is new and amazing and earth shattering.

    Repairing the Republican Party is also going to require some humility - taking credit for others words and thoughts will not help.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Trying desperately to spin the big failure. Remember the slogan "shut it down" ?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    I wonder how flexible a thinker Lee can be. The crowing issue of our age is the decline of the capitalist dominated market. Can we save the market and dump the capitalists? That is what's necessary. I'm sure neither Lee or Jowers thinks in those terms. Whether they like it or not, this matter is going to be front and center. I hope Lee can contribute.

  • Rawhide Kid Sevier County, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Sen. Lee was just trying to save the country, but really its to far gone now. However there is still hope that Obama's failures will the catalyst for America to finally rise up and save our nation.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    @ IMLDS 2
    Since dictator-haters exist in your mind, then haters of our Constitutional Republic exist as well and should be exposed as those who are willing to give up our representative government with it's guarantee of individual rights to a dictator.

    Mike Lee represents the people of Utah well.

    That is why he was elected and why he will be re-elected.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

    I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grant[s] a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.-- James Madison, 1794

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."-- John F. Kennedy

    The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.
    -- Alexis de Tocqueville

    If a thousand men were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would ... [be] the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible.-- Henry David Thoreau

    The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant.-- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty", 1859

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    I love Mike Lee as a leader in the Senate. Mike is exactly the right kind of leadership we need.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    I had always thought of Kirk Jowers as a reasonably reliable source of information. Now I'm not so sure.

    But what I am sure of is that Mike Lee will say and do anything his handlers tell him he needs to do in order to fool enough people into voting for him again.

    That is downright frightening.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of citizens and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The freemen of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much ... to forget it-- James Madison.

    ..every Man has a Property in his own Person. This no Body has any Right to but himself. The Labour of his Body, and the Work of his Hands, we may say, are properly his. .... The great and chief end therefore, of Mens uniting into Commonwealths, and putting themselves under Government, is the Preservation of their Property.-- John Locke, "A Treatise Concerning Civil Government"

    The people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do themselves.-- John Locke, "A Treatise Concerning Civil Government"

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good.-- Mohandas Gandhi

    "Are we to understand," asked the judge, "that you hold your own interests above the interests of the public?" "I hold that such a question can never arise except in a society of cannibals." -- Ayn Rand

    Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.

    -- H.L. Mencken

    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed, and are right... The United States has never developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds"--- H. L. Mencken

    The Constitution is not neutral. It was designed to take the government off the backs of the people.-- Justice William O. Douglas

    He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression: for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach unto himself.-- Thomas Paine

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    "Since there is no such entity as 'the public,' since the public is merely a number of individuals, the idea that 'the public interest' supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others."-- Ayn Rand

    A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and all that is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.-- Thomas Jefferson, in his 1801 inaugural address

    "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient...The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."-- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."-- Barry Goldwater (actually written by Karl Hess)

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Great, just what we need, another Orrin Hatch representing Utah. RINO!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Real Maverick: You are so wrong! I walk the halls of education, an institution that represents, if anything, what is wrong with the federal government's involvement in trying to solve our nation's problems. Although the Educational elite, the administrators, Superintendents, state officials, Principals, are, for the most part, for the status quo and continuation of failed policies, teachers, many, afraid to speak out, are much more conservative than you think. They are part of the silent majority that you will never here or see, but I do. They are sizable voice,one that is growing,not diminishing. We care about children, about the future, about God, the Constitution, and Education (not school), and we vote! Mike Lee is a new generation of leaders that have a potent following, one driven by results, rather than failed policies, some which are ever present in Education. Mike Lee, if he remains true to principles, is recapturing that energy by focusing on God, family, and culture, all of which are directly opposed to government programs that foster just the opposite and which for the most part are represented by both the Democrat and Republican parties! That, my friend, is the future.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    Dear Mike Lee:

    What you do screams so loudly...

    I can't hear what you are saying...

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    It's difficult to change the tea party, just ask Tea Partiers what they now think of Marco Rubio's presidential prospects after he got involved in immigration bill efforts.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    RE: JDL "Since there is no such entity as 'the public,' since the public is merely a number of individuals, the idea that 'the public interest' supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others."-- Ayn Rand

    But the problem is that we have declared corporations to be individuals. They aren't of course. But because we have declared them to be such, they are to quote Orwell "more equal than others." The interests of corporations "take precedence over the interests and rights of others."

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    @JDL – “Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good.-- Mohandas Gandhi”

    You were doing fine (in your dubious exercise of context-less quoting to make some non-sequitur points) until you brought Ayn Rand into it – an ethical & mental midget among moral & intellectual giants.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    Alas, Senator Lee might simply be reacting now to his failures when he was a leader in shutting down the government and got knocked down for his poorly thought out strategys. If he could somehow stimulate the genes his father passed on to him there might be some hope for him. While I do not believe Senator Lee has yet earned the respect of his skeptics with this "new rhetoric", I believe has has the potential to do so. Sometimes a person has to learn from the "error of his ways" and if he does learn, he can accomplish important things with his new perspectives. As one of those skeptics, I truly hope that Senator Lee has learned and that he truly has the interest of America's less fortunate now in his heart. I would like nothing more than to see him succeed if he has really had a change of heart!

  • texinnc Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    There is nothing but corruption on both sides of the aisle. There is only one solution: revolution. Not a revolution of tanks and spears, a revolution of ideas. The parties have proven they cannot be trusted. The people have proven that they want more "subsidies" from the government. We have become part of the problem. We, like they, are corrupt. We want debt. We want welfare. We want it all and we want someone else to pay for it. We "deserve" a home. We "deserve" a living wage. And someone else will have to work to make sure we get it. We have abandoned all sense of self-respect and now find fault with those who are trying to reverse our course. Thank you, Mike Lee, for standing up. Thank you. It's time to dismantle the albatross created by our own lusts and return to principles that will re-enthrone the rule of law, not the rule of kings (or parties).

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    As Mr. Lee has never voted for an increase of education til now I feel bad for the teachers who are supposed to be now feeling sorry for him as he now carries their concerns to the federal level....REALLY?

    Come on Mr. Lee fool us once but don't think you can get us again.

  • My2CentsExactly Kaysville, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Dear Mike Lee,

    I was one of those affect by the Shutdown you and Sen. Cruz were so proud of. 16 days is a long time worrying about paying bills. And although we were eventually paid for it, I feel guilty for the private business's that weren't. Some had to close because of it.

    We voted for you to help our country. Not STOP it! In the end, it cost us Billions. The anger is deep. Betrayal is closer to it. It is a feeling that will not be gone by next election. You only have a short time to convince UTAH, you are worth a second chance and have learned from your past. I plan to vote for someone next time who understands how to move things along. Not STOP them. Right now, you’re not it.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    Re: texinnc " It's time to dismantle the albatross created by our own lusts and return to principles that will re-enthrone the rule of law, not the rule of kings (or parties)" or I might add corporations. The corporation form is killing the market.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    So just copying and pasting is an opinion now?
    Well that pretty much sums up the tea party.
    Big on slogans and bumper stickers, but weak on
    details and solutions, the vagaries that Lee alludes
    to are just that.

    The tea party may believe they are smarter, more patriotic, or better Americans, they are not. The tea party would crucify Reagan for his tax increases, amnesty and compromising.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    I am grateful for the work of Mike Lee. Unlike Senator Hatch, Senator Lee is actually trying to do the things that he said he would do when he campaigned for the office.

    The government shutdown was a sham, planned weeks in advance by the Obama Administration and blame is being put on Senators Lee and Cruz. Government departments were notified weeks in advance of the pending shutdown and told to prepare. Memorials that were open access and did not cost the government to keep open, such as mount Rushmore and the WW2 veterans memorial, where intentionally closed, at government expense to inflict the most inconvenience on US citizens. If Senator Lee is scapegoated with blame for the shutdown and it costs him re-election, this is probably something that the Obama administration would be pleased.

    I hope that the people of Utah are not so easily hoodwinked. We need more people like Senator Lee in Congress.

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Marxist
    JDL - But the problem is that we have declared corporations to be individuals. They aren't of course. But because we have declared them to be such, they are to quote Orwell "more equal than others." The interests of corporations "take precedence over the interests and rights of others."

    You seem to be pretty one dimensional in your obsession with corporations. If you took even a minute to read into Ayn Rands book, you would know that statement was a slam against corporations, unions, and even collectivist societies. To think that those who espouse our Constitutional Republic are sympathetic to corporations or any other collectivist organization over that of the individual and his/her rights, even yours, you're way wrong.

    The diffference between Communist socialism and fascist socialism is only State Dictator Control VS State Corporate Control. It's still socialist control to the exclusion of the individual. .

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    @joe5
    South Jordan, UT

    The article pointed out these specific actions Mike Lee has already taken:
    - Presented an anti-poverty agenda that transcends existing policies
    - Offered broad reform strokes on several issues including:
    - consolidating and trimming federal programs
    - expanding K-12 education opportunities to underprivileged students
    - expanding access to higher education
    - reforming the fed's criminal justice and penal system
    - Helped introduce the Leahy-Lee Patent reform bill (praised by Obama administration)
    - Worked with Durbin (D) on sentencing reform legislation
    - Worked with Feinstein (D) on indefinite detention legislation
    - Worked with Schummer (D) on visa reform legislation

    It sounds to me like he has been very busy on doing a lot more than just putting words on paper. What does he have to do to please you? Switch parties?

    6:41 a.m. Dec. 17, 2013

    [Seriously?, Because this sounds to me like Mike Lee is just spending MORE money, and EXPANDING the Government.]

    =========

    Obama10
    SYRACUSE, UT
    Great, just what we need, another Orrin Hatch representing Utah. RINO!

    10:52 a.m. Dec. 17, 2013

    [Seriously? You are calling Mike Lee a RINO?
    Now I KNOW the uber-far-right-freight-train has left the tracks and gone off the cliff!]

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    Open Minded: Be specific. Which of those activities expand government and by how much? It's nothing more than cheap theatrics to make a claim without an argument to support it.

    Are you just assuming that because of the word "expanding" in two of the ten items listed? Or do you have some additional insight to provide us?

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    @ Tyler D

    RE: JDL, You sated, "You were doing fine (in your dubious exercise of context-less quoting to make some non-sequitur points) until you brought Ayn Rand into it – an ethical & mental midget among moral & intellectual giants."

    There are times when less is more and to add commentary only diminishes the point. JDL made no judgement as to the morality or intellect of those he quoted but rather let their comments stand alone, but since you opened the door, may I ask what qualification you employ to make the distinction between an ethical & mental midget and a moral & intellectual giant other than your own prejudice and narrow to non-existant tolerance?

  • One of a Few Layton, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    So King Lee, who may or may not have been acting on BO's behalf, orchestrated the government shutdown fiasco with King Cruz in an attempt to take over the world. (I'm not clear on that, I thought King Lee was acting in concert with King Cruz to force the shut down but some of the blogs argue the shutdown was orchestrated by BO, so I'm not sure whose idea it was, it all gets so confusing, I can't imagine why King Lee and King Cruz would work for BO) King Lee failed miserably, embarrassed his party, may have cost his party the 2014 election and succeeded in making BO look presidential. Now instead of apologizing and slinking off, King Lee is back with a new plan to take over the world. I think this show has already been made and King Lee may be violating one or more copyrights owned by Steven Spielberg. The show was called Pinky and the Brain.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Last comment (because of the DNews unexplainable limitation on posts) and then I can leave this sill discussion.

    One of the Few: Exactly how did Obama look presidential during the shutdown. He whined about it. He got caught closing things that cost more to close than keep open. He got into his finger-pointing mode. He did absolutely nothing to resolve the problem but went to airwaves to score political points. Never did he demonstrated any real caring for what people were going through. In every way, he looked petty and petulant. So is that what you expect from your president?

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    Mike Lee is in favor of education...just as long as he doesn't have to pay for student loans.

  • adamgale La Verkin, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    Jowers, the man seeking to take the vote from the people, and give it to the wealthy elites. Jowers, the man that created a petition that makes it so you only need to win SL, Utah, and Washington county to get the nomination, and leaves rural Utah out in the cold thinks he can dissect Mike Lee??

    He begins his post with bias, when he calls what Mike Lee says is rhetoric, rather than Mike Lee's message. Jowers also makes a false statement that Lee has received a cold shoulder. Mike Lee's townhall meetings are always full, and he receives much support from the community. This scares Jowers as it places his CMV petition in jeopardy. Jowers is doing nothing more than political posturing.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    Good for Mike!
    Just think of all the time he will have to work on that when he is no longer a Utah politician!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Mike Lee said that he wasn't going to hurt middle-class families. He promised that he would fight for Utah families

    yet, he has a long history of protecting the rich while attacking the middle-class and poor. My business was severely hurt when he shut down the government. I feel like my senator lied to me so he could push his agenda on me. I want new representation.

    How do I know he's not just lying again so people forget what he did? How do I know he's just not trying to be reelected again?

  • Rickw Lehi, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 4:19 p.m.

    Sorry, but I don't understand.

    Everybody who votes KNOWS that we need to vote out the self serving government that we have had for eons of time.

    When somebody comes along who is trying to make changes, people ridicule him?

    Mike Lee is trying to make necessary changes. He is trying to do what he believes in. People, we all need to come together on this and support Mike Lee. Just because he might not agree with the "Popular" politician doesn't mean he is bad business.

    Do your homework and find out for yourself what he represents. He represents America the way it should be.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Dec. 17, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    @G-Day-M8 – “may I ask what qualification you employ… other than your own prejudice and narrow to non-existant tolerance?”

    I can hardly address all the quotes in 200 words but here’s my take on Ayn Rand.

    Rather than making valid or sound arguments (what philosophers do) she mostly makes bare assertions and appeals to authority (which in Rand’s case are often appeals to statements made by the characters in her own novels – hilarious!). She has some interesting insights, but her ego and impatience for developing arguments ultimately make her sound like a passionate sophomore.

    Her writings are filled with bold & grand statements but she doesn’t have the patience for fine distinctions, and so ironically she is a champion of rationality while herself being too lazy to be rational.

    Finally, she completely misunderstands Aristotle (her favorite philosopher) – namely, that foundational to his ethics, social relationships are everything – for Rand, only the individual matters (and the vast majority – moochers – don’t).

    I could go on all day… relative to her own ego, she is a mental midget and has more in common with cult leaders than philosophers.

  • john@sneekee draper, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    thanks to you MIKE LEE.

    i along with many more wish you success and long terms in office trying. keep on trying to reduce the federal budget and the national nightmare of liberal out of control spending.

    there are some legit needs in social programs and there are many that are out of control nonsense give away programs, some to corporate welfare/agriculture and many to the so called poor. please keep looking for the incredible waste in most federal programs.

    there are some out of control EPA regulations and business regulations. please focus on these economy killing problems also.

    thanks again.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    "that the government has no money of its own and that when it gives a dollar, that dollar has been taken from someone else’s pocket."
    That statement, so often used by the anti-Americans in their war against the American creed, is an absolute TRUTH. The lie is in the insinuation that it only applies to government.

    Money is the life blood of our economy and has value only when used to exchange for goods or services. The money in your pocket is not worth anything unless you can spend it. It is likely that the dollar mentioned has been in thousands of pockets belonging to workers, businessmen, priests, teenagers, and any one with a product to sell.

    When we give money, taxes, to government we are buying those things that we can't buy from private enterprise.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 17, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Everyone gets to Washington with some very idealist ideas on what they can do while there. The problem is that there are few hundred other people there with their own objets and so called mandates as well. And only so many are willing to fall on a sword to help you achieve your own goals.

    It has happened with every President elected, every congressman and woman, and even those appointed to positions. And then over time, they realize their world got a bit more complicated and that Washington, nor the world revolves around you.

    Just perhaps Mike has finally learned this lesson. Many of the goals of the Tea Party are worthy..... but their tactics and self absorbedness where they think the entire world should bend to their point of view has proven to be ineffective, and counter productive.

    Sometimes to get a little of what you want, you have to let the other person get a little of what they want.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    Face it, Lee and the Tea partiers are the future of this country!
    Their deficits are just fine.
    Excessive spending on the military is just fine.
    Welfare (corporate) is encouraged!
    No more middle class, as they continue to lose their buying power.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    Mike Lee is for education, always has been.

    He is just not for FEDERAL education or a federal education system.

    No one should be.

  • timhadley United States, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    To those of you out there who hate Mike Lee, I have one simple thing to tell you: Mike Lee is one of the few people in the Senate who understands and follows the constitution. People like Orrin hatch on the other hand, put politics ahead of the constitution. I am not saying that Orrin Hatch is a bad guy, I am simply saying that his priorities are a little mixed up. Mike Lee is hated because he is willing to stand on principle rather than politics. To you haters the one thing I will say is: you so not understand how this country is supposed to function or the intent of the constitution.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 5:16 a.m.

    The only thing Lee will change is the picture of himself that he presents to the public, provided of course that's what it takes to get more money and votes. He is a disaster who, unfortunately, has found a place to happen. Utah and the United States are not well served as a result.

  • bricker pleasant grove, ut
    Dec. 18, 2013 6:18 a.m.

    As a Republican Lee has made me embarrassed. I look forward to someone that really cares about our country.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Dec. 18, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    Jazzsmack
    Holladay, UT
    Mike Lee is for education, always has been.

    He is just not for FEDERAL education or a federal education system.

    No one should be.

    6:19 p.m. Dec. 17, 2013

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    How do you assure a Doctor from Alabama doing YOUR open heart is as equally educated as one from Michigan?

    How do you assure a Pilot from Idaho is as educated as one from New Jersey.

    How do you assure a nuclear physisist from Utah can work with those from New Mexico?

    Your comment lacks what is needed for America.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Dec. 18, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    ‘Mike Lee will change the tea party’

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    I suppose he can,
    once he is done with changing himself.

    round and round he goes,
    where stops, nobody knows...

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Real Maverick: Mike Lee didn't lie to you. He did exactly what he said he would do, which meant to stop the spending, limited government, etc. If your business happened to be in line with that change, swallow and face the music. Anything else would be to maintain the status quo and ignore the problems, which is what the Democrats and Republicans want! Mike Lee is the best Senator the State of Utah has ever had. My advice to him would be to get out after two terms or he will be just all the rest!

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Lee's "change" of anything is a minor change in tone. It is not "bold" it's just desperate.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    "The government shutdown was a sham, planned weeks in advance by the Obama Administration and blame is being put on Senators Lee and Cruz."

    You do realize that Lee's change of heart is evidence that no one (who doesn't listen to AM radio) believes this, including Lee and Cruz. The next shutdown is already being discussed by Republicans. No doubt Sean and Rush will soon begin calling it the "Second Obama Partial Shutdown."

    Serving advance notice that he would/will not negotiate paying bills Congress has racked up did/does not make Obama responsible when Congress defaults.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Just a note here to all you Lee haters... Mike was one of the few in the Senate who voted NO on the current budget because it CUTS military pensions - this means it cuts the living pensions to those wounded warriors who get their legs blown off by an IED in the middle east and have to retire because they CAN'T WALK!!! Orin Hatch voted in favor of the wounded warrior pension cut. With all the gross waste in our government you are telling me we just had to cut our wounded vets pensions?? People in Utah need to WISE UP and understand what Mike is fighting for and what Hatch allows to slide by....

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Not a Lee hater, but when you take a drastic action to shut down the government you should accept consequence of failure. It would be the right thing to do for him to resign effective january 1, 2014.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Dec. 18, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    patriot
    Cedar Hills, UT

    - this means it cuts the living pensions to those wounded warriors who get their legs blown off by an IED in the middle east and have to retire because they CAN'T WALK!!!

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    patriot,

    You realize the had not GW Bush and th Republicans in congress not dragged us into the Middle East,
    1. We would not have lost $3 Trillion
    2. We would not NEED to increase military spending
    3. No American veterans would have had their legs blown off and NEED to retire, and would STILL be walking.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    School's have their degrees and certifications

    Medicine had their boards, licensers and certifications.

    NO federal government required or needed.

    Believe it or not the medical world can take care of themselves, as can any other profession.

    Ib a truly free society, there will always be risk and personal responsibility, responsibility to ascertain whether your doctor is licensed and board certified.

    Why you believe you need the federal government to manage and control your life and business and everyone else's is beyond me.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 19, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    Why didn't Lee come out with this tremendous agenda, say one or two years ago?