I do not find this a surprise. The rating system has degenerated over time to
not mean much except at the extreme levels (i.e. G rating vs R rating). The 'For the Strength of Youth' material does not even mention
which movie ratings are appropriate to use as guidelines. It uses a much higher
standard and indicates the following:"Do not attend, view, or
participate in anything that is vulgar, immoral, violent, or pornographic in any
way. Do not participate in anything that presents immorality or violence as
acceptable. Have the courage to walk out of a movie, change your music, or turn
off a computer, television, or mobile device if what you see or hear drives away
the Spirit."If we are wise, we'll follow this standard and
recognize we shouldn't depend on movie ratings. Also, the Parent's TV
Council seems to maintain good family standards and is a resource families can
use to determine if a movie may be appropriate to see.
Best I can tell the only difference between PG-13 and R is the level of nudity.
How perverse is a ratings system that allows levels of violence that
would horrify a soldier be shown to a 13 yo, while not allowing them to see the
human body in a manner that is completely normal both for ourselves ( unless you
shower in a bathing suit) and in many countries not under the heavy influence of
religion?And this doesn’t even touch on the fact that the MPAA
rating system provides exactly zero guidance between movies (with the same
rating) that depict positive, uplifting messages and good character vs. movies
that are depraved and wallow in vice, vanity and self-indulgence.But
the MPAA does seem to reflect the morals of the extremes of our society at
large, both the narcissistic moral bankruptcy on the Left on the pseudo-morals
(i.e., their obsession with sex & nudity) on the Right.
@Tyler DIts easy to understand, one is real, the other is
pretend.Apparently you are more worried about pretend things, while
a truly moral society is more concerned about what is real.
They should just change who is part of the group who chooses what it is
rated.Let's allow a bunch of Moms to be on the voting committee
of what is appropriate.Who is on it now? Probably a bunch of
Hollywood money mongers who's only goal is to push R rated movies down to
pg-13 so people will let their kids see them.Change the committee
and the whole system will work. No one from the industry should be on the
committee. No clown from Washington either.
I'm not sure why this matters. If you need to be offended so badly, you
will be. Keep your kids out of the theatre; this movie isn't
'wholesome' enough for them and they behave like apes anyway. Just
stop expecting not to be offended when you want to be.
@hutterite,It's all well and good to say you don't need to
participate - for myself, that is how I will roll, but there are millions out
there who not only go see this garbage daily, but bring their kiddies along. Our
whole society is being impacted in ways we don't even understand (these
studies hint at), by our use of violence as entertainment. I'm
not for forcing things on people, but we do need to be honest with ourselves
about the impacts of these movies (and video games, etc.) and educate parents
and all of us on what can be the long term effects. There are hundreds or
thousands of little Adam Lanza's out there for whom the last thing they
need is access to this stuff.
@Red:Actually, the ratings board is strangely diverse collection of
individuals, and some are moms, as you put it. However, their diversity does
not lessen the impact of inefficient standards and/or hallmarks which determine
the rating of a movie. It is a wholly inadequate system, and needs
an overhaul, but Hutterite is correct in that parents should be the ones who
determine what movies their kids watch. Previews aren't DaVinci's
codex or some encrypted Cold War message---you can tell with a great deal of
accuracy if a movie is something you want your child watching. If you
aren't willing to do 5 minutes of research, then maybe you should not be so
shocked when your kids get exposed to those things you oppose.
More nudity and profanity is permitted in Rated R movies; violence against
children, and highly offensive or traumatic adult situations... I would think
that would make a difference. It doesn't prevent a lot of the suggestion of
such things that slips into PG-13, but for a lot of the audience that's
highly visual, the images aren't as blatant in PG-13. I still
think there's something to be said for that.
@the truth – “Its easy to understand, one is real, the other is
pretend.”If by pretend you mean inconsequential & lacking
any ability to influence people, then I am at a loss as to how reconcile your
understanding of “real” and “pretend” with reality.And given your past comments I find your take here astounding... or was
it meant simply as a “devil’s advocate” poke at me?
re: eastcoastcoug"It's all well and good to say you
don't need to participate - for myself, that is how I will roll, but there
are millions out there who not only go see this garbage daily, but bring their
kiddies along."I was curious as to when the 'moral
majority' would rear its self-righteous head?If you are doing
the best w/ your offspring then kudos. Otherwise, its not your place condemn
(notice I did not say judge?) others. Speaking for myself, I have a hard enough
time living my life w/o advising others on theirs.
Ratings are irrelevant, other than to provide some sort of idea what you're
getting into before viewing the movie. As far as I'm concerned just stay
away from trash
I look at the content of the movie not what the movie is rated. If the movie has
partial nudity or nudity than I don't watch it, whether it's PG-13 or
R rated. I do agree that on the violent side their isn't much difference
between PG-13 or R rated movies except that R rated is more graphic when it
comes to blood.
@Tyler DI literally mean one is REAL and one is PRETEND. How you
fail to understand that is beyond reason.
@the truth – “I literally mean one is REAL and one is PRETEND. How
you fail to understand that is beyond reason.Oh I see… so if
you have little kids in the house who, when wanting to watch a movie, instead of
grabbing The Little Mermaid they accidentally grab The Silence of the Lambs,
that would just be fine and dandy… after all, it’s just pretend.You be sure to let us know when those nightmares end and your children
stop waking up to “that awful screaming of the lambs.”
@Tyler DTypical of the extreme left,you invent things I
did not say.It is quite a well known fact young developing minds can
not ascertain well between what is real and what is not. Nor can they deal with
sexual imagery and portrayal (though most adults can not as well) That is why we
limit what children can see.But my original comment was to help
explain why our Judeo-Christian value and moral based American culture has more
problems with depictions of sex and nudity than violence.
@the truth – “But my original comment was to help explain why our
Judeo-Christian value and moral based American culture has more problems with
depictions of sex and nudity than violence.”Sorry, I
completely missed where you explained why depictions of nudity (I never
mentioned sex) is more troubling for our society than depictions of
violence… could you go over that again?Best I can tell, the
only trouble our society has with nudity is in trying to reconcile the Puritan
pseudo-morals of our prudish ancestors with what should be normal & healthy.
And in countries that do not have the same taboos on nudity, their societies
have far less problems with a whole host of related issues – everything
from body image to sex crimes.We could learn a lot from these
places…Reached comment limit.