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Kathleen Parker: The GOP's toxic messaging

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  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:02 a.m.

    Ms. Parker is correct. The relentless negativity combined with a stunning streak of irrational behaviors have done the GOP no favors.

    They need cool rationality instead of hotheads willing to sink the country for their political purposes.

    They need to stop the war on science that challenges their favored constituencies.

    They need to show that they are ready and capable of leading - not just playing the obstructionist.

    I miss the republicans of just a few decades ago.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    Dec. 5, 2013 5:58 a.m.

    "The key for Republicans is to drop the negative attacks and refocus energies on the positives of their own alternate plans. They do have some, right?"

    Ms. Parker has hit the nail on the head. That has been the problem for Republicans all along and is the reason for their focusing on the negative aspects of the roll out. They don't have an alternative and never planned to have one. Being negative is their only option and by now seems to come so naturally to them.

    "It's fine to note the objective fact that ...(lots of evidence of the problems associated with the roll out)...What alternative solutions are Republicans hiding behind their backs?"

    It seems so simple doesn't it? The ACA has certainly had a rocky start and Republicans should be in a good position to take advantage of that. But the negative nature of their whole approach to government has prohibited them from using those problems in a positive way to gain the support of public.

    "'No' gets you nothing but nothing — and gloating floats no boats." So true and yet some people just can't understand that. Sad.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 5, 2013 6:01 a.m.

    Your right Kathleen, no one should ever hold Obama and the Democrats accountable! How dare anyone ask for honesty and responsibility from them!

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    I think the problem is that the GOP is behaving irrationally because it is currently in the clutches of an irrational base.

    Republican politicians are forced to take positions that make no sense because a toxic stew of Tea Party paranoia and Christian fundamentalism is running the party.

    Don't believe me? OK, ask any Republican currently in office and hoping for reelection if they'd be willing to state publicly what they believe is the correct approximation for the age of the Earth. Is it measured in thousands of years, or billions of years? Ask them what caused the Grand Canyon, or why the DNA from chimpanzees so closely matches the DNA in humans.

    Go ahead, try it. When you seem them trying desperately to dodge and equivocate about how "its complicated" you'll see the problem with today's GOP. They don't dare say anything to offend people who are belligerently ignorant, but on whom they depend for votes.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    The GOP has a positive message staring them in the face, if they're wise enough to use it. My bet is, they're not. They'll try to compete on who can give away the most candy.

    The theme they should develop is "freedom to choose." Freedom to choose your own doctor, freedom to choose your own plan, freedom for insurance providers to design plans that fit the specific needs of their customers, freedom for employers to decide which benefits to offer their workers. And the first step toward freedom is repeal.

    Then let the Obamacare implementation do the rest.

    But, like I said, I don't think the Republicans are that smart.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    Mrs. Parker is a conservative rooting for the Republican party and trying to give helpful suggestions. What she realizes, and many Republicans lose sight of, is that we have to change perspective to win votes and win elections. If we (Republicans) don't win elections, it doesn't matter how pure our dogma is. We have to appeal to more independent voters rather than alienate them. If we don't win elections, then we end up with Obama and all the associated problems that Republicans decry.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    The policies of the GOP are toxic, so it's awfully touch not to have a toxic message.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Kathleen Parker hits this one out of the ball-park,
    right over the uber-Far-RIGHT fielders heads!

    Loved this line --
    "Comparing approaches, President Obama is wearing love beads and planting flowers in the gun barrels of the Republican guard."

    The "Eleves vs. Orcs" line was also priceless!

    Archie Bunker.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Its odd that the very downbeat Mrs. Parker would complain about the negativity of the GOP.

    The Republican Party has has gone seriously adrift. My father's brand of conservatism was pro-science, pro-good government, pro-business, pro-personal responsibility, pro-education, and pro-strong defense. The current incarnation of conservatism is anti-science, anti-Obama, anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-everything!

    After a while any reasonable person just tunes out all the negativity.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Apparently Ms Parker is banking on the stupidity of the American people to continue - after all they elected Barack Obama twice on nothing more than lies such as "if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance". Ms Parker thinks that Baracks new "happy talk" is going to sooth the millions of insurance cancellation letters sent out each month and people will just forget the sky high premiums, the loss of their doctor and blissfully bounce along with "yes we can" re-runs. In the past, Barack could just hit the campaign trail and belch out a bunch of propoganda and non-fact based happy talk about his policies and people bought it because they weren't seeing any direct effect from his policies....but all that changed with Obamacare. Yes now the entire world has turned upside down on Barack and Washington DC insiders like Kathlene Parker have no idea how to deal with the new reality. Blame the GOP!!! Ok, go ahead and try. The GOP didn't vote for the health care bill. Not one vote. Even vulnerable Senate Democrat's and SPRINTING away from Obamacare now as the mid terms approach.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Toxic messaging may say something fundamental about conservatives in general, but I think it is largely due to the right-wing media’s dog & pony show coming home to roust. The new generation of conservative politicians grew up on anger, vitriol and the constant stream of war metaphors to frame their view (e.g. the “war” on Christmas being perhaps the most laughable), so do we really expect these folks to behave like Lincoln?

    If Republicans ever want to win national elections again they will need to find a way to create a farm system for intellectuals and leaders (of everyone, and not just the 53%), rather than just hotheaded entertainers.

    Jugglers don’t change the world, but statesmen (e.g., Reagan) can.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Kathleen must be right. I mean Obama promised hope and promised that if you like your insurance, you can keep it. That was hope. It was also a lie. Then he delivered the dreadful ACA, with all its folly and disaster just beginning to be manifest.

    Still half the people and 90% of the media still bank on his hope.

    But you have to realize that the other thing Obama got elected on the first time was primarily

    "I am not GWBush" and that is a negative, so negative works some of the time.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Ms. Parker hits the nail on the head. Just read the usual, conservative posters to the DN. They're negative, mean spirited, and don't offer positive, fact based alternatives. If you're an independent voter swayed by content, message and messanger why would you follow politicans like Bohener, Lee or Cruz? Do you cheer and support people who say "yes we can" or those that say "no, you can't"?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Kentucky is having all sorts of success with their Obamacare exchange program (Kynect). Once the national system ends up fixed to run as well as theirs then it's pretty much game over for Republicans on this issue.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Kathleen is so close to being right, while still managing to be completely wrong.

    Republicans have been correct the entire time as they pointed out from the beginning the problems that would come from Obamacare. The Obamacare website problems are only the surface of the much deeper and more significant problems that Obamacare is unleashing. So why the criticism of Conservatives? The answer is similar to the reason prophets in the scriptures were often imprisoned or even killed: people often respond with hatred and sometimes even violence against those who don't tell them what they want to hear. Doesn't matter how true the message is.

    Patriot's comments on the matter are absolutely correct. The vitriol against Republicans is the only way Socialists in this country can deflect public attention away from the overwhelming failure of socialist policies. It is sad that Tea Party desire for fiscal responsibility in government is labeled as "irrational" or a "toxic stew". Shows how far our country has fallen.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    "It is sad that Tea Party desire for fiscal responsibility in government is labeled as 'irrational' or a 'toxic stew'."

    Two weeks of government shutdown, orchestrated by the Tea Party, cost the country $26B. If that is fiscal responsibility I don't want any of it.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 5, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    @ atl134. You are misinformed about Obamacare success in Kentucky. In fact, the vast majority of people there have signed up for Medicaid not healthcare insurance. Obama actually called the governor of Kentucky and congratulated him on that!

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Dec. 5, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    Suppose McCain had won the election of 2008. Does anyone think that health care would have been the subject of a single White House meeting in a McCain administration? That plan (none at all) is still the GOP standard. You can't beat something with nothing, and that includes daily frothing rants and demands for impeachment. The public is tired of it and will vote against it. The GOP left will then smugly call them "low information voters" while their world crashes around their heads.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    The Republican message is authentic in that it reflects what they really believe, which is: if you are poor it is because you deserve to be, if you are rich it is because you deserve to be. If you are poor you not only deserve to be, but you should be punished for being such. So we will punish you by starving you. What an outfit!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    re:atl134

    You honestly think that the toxic polling data concerning Obamacare is all tied to the non-functioning web site? Really? Cancellation letters (now approaching 10 million) are going to sky rocket toward 80 million as the employer mandate approaches in 2014 and people are going to continue to lose their doctors AND be faced with new premiums that are 2-3 times higher than their old polices - this is happening already. All the happy talk from Barack isn't going to erase the harsh reality that people are getting slammed with each and every week. The worst is yet to come guy - do you get that?? Young people (age 20-33) are NOT signing up for Obamacare - they are instead opting to either NOT sign up at all and suffer the penalty or just taking the medicare route which pretty much DOOMS the funding of Obamacare...again these are REAL numbers not theoretical. Young people simply can't afford the exchange insurance premiums which are out outrageously high for the majority. You need to step out of the Wonderland rabbit hole for a moment and experience reality guy.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    re:Tyler D

    Toxic messaging....such as "if you like your insurance you can keep it". That toxic messaging? Let's see who said that anyway? Oh that's right it was your king. Your senate Democrats are sprinting away from Barack Obama and his doomed health care law as the 2014 mid terms approach. Why is that Tyler? Do you think Senate Democrat's are paranoid of the tidal wave of insurance cancellation letters that have occurred and are going to continue in MUCH bigger numbers through 2014? The exchange premiums are too expensive for most people and are causing budget busting pain for most families as we speak. Is that going to change Tyler? No Tyler, the TOXIC messaging this time is all on your side of the fence and all the Obama happy talk bull isn't going to erase it....the letters and premiums are REAL. The GOP is right to remind people who voted for this train wreck bill and NOT let them wiggle free. The ANGER of the American people and the mis trust of Barack Obama is reflected in the polls...check it out sometime Tyler.

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    Mountanman and Alt134,

    I believe that the expansion of Medicaid was part of the ACA.

    Irrespective of this, individual states that decided to embrace the ACA have had much better enrollment success vs. the federal website.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Mountainman's response is so typical. She no where in this said you should not hold anyone responsible, less alone Obama. Where the heck did that come from? No one is denying there is a problem. What the issue is that simply pointing out the problem doesn't fix anything.

    I can tell when my car needs repair... 100 people pointing that out to me doesn't help me what so ever. At some point, I will stop listening. What will get my attention is someone who says they can fix my car, and provides options. Republicans\conservatives right now are only reporting problems, offering no solution.

    "When Republicans say the health care plan is doomed, a train wreck, a disaster, etc. — and offer no hopeful options — they appear to be rooting only for failure."

    Until the republicans start selling a solution, they have nothing to offer - hence why their approval ratings make Obama's look good.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    patriot
    Cedar Hills, UT
    re:atl134

    Young people (age 20-33) are NOT signing up for Obamacare -

    =======

    1/2 bake AM radio lie.

    The truth is -- 50% of those age 20-33 are not signing up for "obamacare" becuase there are other options available.
    Like - private insurance, or staying on their parents plans.

    I have a 22 year old daughter who just recently got married.
    She and her husband are both college students.

    She is staying on our plan,
    he is staying on his parent's plan.

    So theose "numbers" you sight are misleading.

    BTW -
    what do you have to complain about?
    Aren't you retired, living on the public dole via Social Security AND Medicare?
    Hard to complain when you are one yourself.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    @Badgerbadger

    Obama didn't use the phrase I'm not GWB. He used Hope and Yes we can. A positive message. Regardless of whether or not he followed though, his campaign was very POSITIVE.

    I'm getting to the point where politics were always toxic, but the media makes it uberToxic. Its tough to watch when you have a family and you want to stay upbeat and positive.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    The GOP stategy of negativity and attacking with no option other than just being the party of NO, remind me of the playground bully.

    You know,
    the mean little kid who can't win the race on his own skills or merits,
    so
    he reverts to cheating, tripping, and shoving -- whatever it takes - to beat the competition.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    The GOP equivalent of tripping and shoving in CA is to sponsor a FAKE official website, but can't sign anyone up for anything and actually tells people to NOT have insurance. No, they won't send so much as a "get well" card if things go wrong, either.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Newt and Romney never opposed the individual private insurance mandate until Obama jujitsued them on it and implemented it himself. Whoh, what now? That was OUR idea!

    If it weren't for the foamed mouthed, lemming attitude of current republicans, they could never live it down.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    @patriot,

    "Apparently Ms Parker is banking on the stupidity of the American people to continue - after all they elected Barack Obama twice on nothing more than lies such as "if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance". "

    Thank you for succinctly encapsulating Ms. Parker's point. Insulting the electorate has become the GOP message. There was a tike not too long ago when the Right had genuine ideas and argued well for them. The level-headed thinkers are being purged as RINOs and the Perpetually Outraged Brigades of Limbaugh Listeners have taken over. They offer little but insults, anger, faux patriotism, and ideas that have the intellectual rigor of a bumper system sticker slogan.

    America works best when there's a flow of competing ideas. Please GOP - go back to offering something instead the status quo.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    According to the latest from Gallup, Obama's approval rating has plummeted into the 30s as millions of people continue to lose their health insurance. Its going to get worse, liberals, when the employer mandate takes effect! Democrat politicians up for re-election are looking for cover! And some of you say the GOP is the problem? Do you hear laugher?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    Some Republicans have some good ideas about health care reform, but they are all already included in ACA. Republicans are still plumping for some bad ideas, like a national insurance market that would have devastating results on people with chronic problems. ACA rejected that, thank goodness.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Wonderful op-ed!

    (NO) republicans, (NO) conservatives and (NO) t-party people...

    Perfect.

    It is much faster as well as accurate to simply refer all of the above as the NO Party.

    It is also a great day when the DN allows a republican/conservative/t-party (NO) pundit to mock the republican/conservative/t-party, NO "platform".

    Thanks.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Want to know how far right the GOP has come?

    Just look at how many have labeled Parker a "liberal" in this forum. How insane that even writers like Parker are being labeled "liberal" by the far right.

    Amazing.

    At the rate they're going, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh in a few months will be labeled as "liberals." Pretty soon the right wing will demand that we burn "liberal" books and force those who disagree with them to wear gold stars on their shirts.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    "Your right Kathleen, no one should ever hold Obama and the Democrats accountable! How dare anyone ask for honesty and responsibility from them!"

    The irony here is you are the angry conservative from the article. Any rational person, even if they support the ideas that are part of the ACA, can't argue that the rollout has gone well. It hasn't, it's been an unmitigated failure. What Parker is pointing out, is that screaming about how bad Obama is, or how bad the ACA is, without actually putting new ideas on the table turns away all but the most hardcore republicans, which can win you seats in congress from states like Utah and Texas, but it will never win you a national election, where you must have moderate and independent voters. She's not saying it's wrong to criticize the ACA, she's saying ranting and raving without any substantive ideas of your own makes you look crazy. And who wants to be associated with crazy people?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 5, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    Per Gallup poll today

    "President Barack Obama's job approval rating of 41% in November is down 12 points from the recent monthly high of 53% in December 2012. His largest declines were among Hispanics, lower-income Americans, nonwhites, and moderates."

    Now I know perhaps they teach math different in different parts of the country…..but to most… 41 does not equal " into the 30s" by most any reasonable persons definition. My source, the Gallup home page as of 6:41 mountain time - today. I would love to know the source where the "30s" number came from. It wasn't Gallup themselves.

    I really don't understand the need to distort here. There is plenty to debate without fabricating facts.

    "Do you hear laugher?" ….. I do…. I really do. I hear it every time I read yet another distorted fact.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 5, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    Utah Blue. "Obama's Approval Rating Drops To Lowest Point Ever"..The Huffington Post Headline..
    Newsmax: "Gallup: Obama Losing Support of Hispanic Voters" Published Dec 5, 2013.
    This as been on many newscasts today!
    So much for distorted facts! Wise up!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    What's the GOP's approval rating again?

  • Turtle Owasso, OK
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    What planet does this lady come from? "Every time Republicans slam on the brakes, Obama tosses coins and candy into the crowds." Since when did the president toss anything desirable into the crowds?

  • Turtle Owasso, OK
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:23 p.m.

    Midvaliean

    What was positive about the Obama campaign? Lies? Distortions? So called war on women? "If you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan"

    His people used every distortion imaginable to destroy Mitt Romney who is a very decent guy.

  • Turtle Owasso, OK
    Dec. 5, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    Noodlekaboodle and Kathleen

    You ask who wants to be associated with crazy people? You talk about the criticism of the Republicans w/o them having any alternatives to offer? Well let's start back in 2010 in October when Senator Enzi from Wyoming offered a plan to enable those who were going to lose their health care plans to keep them - not a single Democrat voted for it. The Senator actually read the Federal Register. That is interesting because that is precisely what Senator Landrieu is offering in her bill now. We have had no less than a half dozen Republicans offer plans that include offering medical savings accounts. We have had Republicans who are doctors offer plans which include bringing the doctors into the forum to discuss the problems of medical care. What a novel idea when you consider that the Democrats neither did that nor offer an olive branch to the other party for anything. For some reason they felt it was better to shove this down our throats even making certain that the senate vote was taken before they would swear Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts in because he ran on the platform against the ACA.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    So social security and Medicare , in which all of us have paid thousands and thousands into over the years in order to receive a return, is now in the same category as welfare and other long term freeloading activities. I don't think so, get a clue.
    And which is worse, the party with no ideas or the party spending money uncontrollably and constantly lying to us? I hope the change us working out well for everyone,

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 6:49 a.m.

    Nate says:

    "The GOP has a positive message staring them in the face, if they're wise enough to use it. My bet is, they're not. They'll try to compete on who can give away the most candy.

    The theme they should develop is "freedom to choose." Freedom to choose your own doctor, freedom to choose your own plan, freedom for insurance providers to design plans that fit the specific needs of their customers, freedom for employers to decide which benefits to offer their workers. And the first step toward freedom is repeal."

    You should add "Freedom to choose whom you will marry". "Freedom to choose whether or not you'll maintain a pregnancy". "Freedom to be paid a decent wage".

    The Party of "No" is the party destined for extinction.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    "So much for distorted facts! Wise up!" from Mountainman.

    What part of those quotes supports your claim to Gallup saying Obama's opinion rating down in the 30 percent range. You can't just make stuff up. Gallup gave a very specific number.... if you don't like it, it doesn't mean you get to change it.

    I didn't debate Obama's ratings were down - I included that in my quote. They are. Pretty normal for a lame duck president. What I challenged was your claim to they were in the 30's... which they aren't... per the pool you sited.

    Why 41% wasn't bad enough for you.... who knows. It just isn't that hard to verify claims now days...

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    okay, very scary! the Obamacare website is now working, and people are flocking to it to see insurance plans compared with one another, side by side, almost like Progressive Insurance's savvy strategy... and people are buying! What can the GOP do to stop this madness of giving customers choice and price competition? Shut the Internet down?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    @Mountainman
    Do I care that they signed up for Medicaid? More people have health insurance than before in Kentucky, that's what I wanted. I support universal healthcare after all.

    @patriot
    The employer mandate means that anyone who works for a company and gets cancellation notices will still end up with new insurance anyway. Remember Hannity's special on three couples struggling with Obamacare? One had issues with his business but it turns out he has 5 employees and isn't subject to the mandate anyway. One thought premiums would double, factchecking found a comparable plan on the exchange that'd be cheaper than their old plan The third was in a similar situation to the second (thinking premiums would skyrocket) except it turns out their premiums would only very slightly increase with a plan that covers much more than their old plan. Most of these "horror stories" turn out to be smoke and mirrors like was the case for 100% of the guests Hannity had on that Obamacare horror story panel. When people realize they actually aren't harmed by the bill, they'll like the good things like ending pre-existing conditions.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    @Mountanman
    The latest from Gallup is 42% approval 51% disapproval for Obama, he's not in the 30s. I'll give you his RCP average of polls which is 40.0-54.4. Use that since it's a sample size of around 10 or so polls.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    To be consistent, the GOP needs to toxically spin the recent good news on the employment front. Or conduct a shutdown to try again to ruin the economy so that can blame Obama.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    It is important to have some resistance to the progressive, big government ideas of the White House and the Senate. This is critical in times of recession when everyone is clamoring for benefits. Public policies have a tendency to veer left. Look at the FDR years for examples.
    There must be a voice to tell us that it is unwise to vote ourselves a raise and free cheese.
    Such messages are harder to swallow than offering freebies, but they are nevertheless necessary.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihiuahua, 00
    Dec. 6, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    Realmaverick

    "Pretty soon the right wing will demand that we burn "liberal" books and force those who disagree with them to wear gold stars on their shirts."

    It's going to be the opposite. The mass media is controlled by the liberals. and they are going to execute anybody they deem to be a racist no matter how absurd the reason. Children are already being expelled from schools for silly things like making paper guns. People are being fired from their jobs for daring to criticize their dear leader Barack Obama. Mass executions without trial will be coming once they stage the right mass shooting or terror attack that most of the public will buy. Just like they staged the Reichstag fire. You are doing their prep work for them just by typing things like this. I'm glad I was smart enough to leave before this happens.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    Anti Bush-Obama
    Chihiuahua, 00

    It's going to be the opposite.

    ===========

    Real Maverick is correct,
    you [Anti Bush-Obama] are once again wrong.

    a. the Nazis were Right-wing.
    b. The fire at the Reichstag was staged and blamed on the Left [communists]
    c. Liberals were sent to the gas chambers.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 6, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    Cam we just leave outrageous references to anything NAZI out of this. Anyone who pretends we live in conditions even slightly approaching those when the Nazi party came to power is either functionally illiterate, has no sense of history, or is just plain living in an alternative reality.

    More so, it is insulting to those who really did live under that tyranny for any American to pretend they are living under anything resembling that lever of oppression. Millions died for no crime other than their religion, or ethnic origin.

    I find it shameful some would stoop so low as to compare either side to anything Nazi, or Stalinist. And the DN shouldn't allow such inflammatory, and insulting accusations to be made on its site.

    "People are being fired from their jobs for daring to criticize their dear leader Barack Obama. Mass executions without trial will be coming …" Really?

  • Charles S Freedomville, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    Let's clear a few things up from those whose memories have failed them.

    1. Obamacare was passed illegally.
    2. Democrats own Obamacare 100%.
    3. Democrats in Congress and Obama refused to listen to any Republican suggestion or amendment
    4. Everything that was predicted about Obamacare by those who opposed it has come true.
    5. So many of you ask "Where is the Republican plan?" If you don't know then you haven't paid attention since there have been many plans put forward.
    6. Millions are losing their insurance because of Obamacare
    7. Obama lied about if you like your insurance you can keep it and your doctor too.

    Republicans should not lift a finger to "fix" Obamacare. They should let it fall flat on its face and the pain from the arrogance of the Left be felt in the nation. It will sink them forever.

    Parker has always clamored for Repubs to kneel down to the ignorance of the Left.

    The only angry people on these pages are those who hate Repubs and love Obama. I've never seen anyone who supports Libs actually admit that anything Libs do is wrong or has failed. It's just excuses and blame Repubs. Grow up!

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    UtahBlueDevil,

    Godwin's Law.

    Charles S,

    Yes, let's please clear a few things up.

    For a law that was passed illegally, Obamacare survived the Supreme Court amazingly well. Folks may not like how it was passed, but it was constitutional.

    Democrats may own Obamacare 100% but the genesis of it was the Republicans. Really.

    I have been paying attention. The Republican plans I have read about are not plans at all. They are minor tweaks that would do little more than nip at the edges of our problems or they are non-answers (they seem like answers but not if you really do any research). Not to say Obamacare is the right answer. But it is clear that the Republicans do not have a real plan.

    So here we are. One side has a flawed but more or less comprehensive plan. The other side has just bits and pieces but nothing approaching a comprehensive plan. But, they want us to reject the flawed comprehensive plan even though they have nothing waiting in the wings to replace it.

  • Charles S Freedomville, AZ
    Dec. 7, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Scott Brown won the Senate seat to defeat the law. The Dems shoved it through illegally. Roberts was pressured the last days to uphold it. He fell to the pressure of DC. If he would have stayed true to the Constitution then Obamacare would have been completely defeated.

    Since you believe it is law legally, then where is the line in the sand of what Congress can or can not force someone to purchase against their will with the penalty being fines or imprisonment?

    Where is the line?

    The problem with INSURANCE, not health care is that government got in the business of dictating what had to be covered to appease the Libs. Rates are high because of all of these dictates.

    I believe those dictates are illegal and so is forcing someone to buy something they don't want. There are many options out there to decrease costs, most notably health savings accounts and buying health INSURANCE, like you do car insurance.

    Obamacare failed because it is socialism and socialism always fails. You own 100%. Obamacare will continue to bring down the economy and hurt individuals and families. You own that as well.

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 7, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Charles S,

    Being neither a Democrat nor a member of Congress, I own nothing of Obamacare. I see its flaws and its strengths.

    As to the constitutionality of any law, there is only what flawed men can interpret and agree to. There is no super arbiter of the constitution. The arbiters are Congress, President, and Supreme Court. Once they have all weighed in, it is constitutional. Even when I disagree (and I do sometimes).

    The constitution is a process. It outlines how we make and unmake law. The role of the people is to elect. The role of the elected (or the appointed and approved for the Supreme Court) is to then use the process.

  • Interloper Portland, OR
    Dec. 7, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    Parker is wrong about the economic impact of the Affordable Care Act. All of the reputable projections, including from OMB, show 'Obamacare' reducing the federal deficit. In addition, the cost of health care insurance premiums is increasing at the lowest level in decades. As for her support of trickle down economics, any intelligent person should know that doesn't work by now. The one percent who will pay slightly higher taxes can afford to. Nor is there any evidence of employees being let go because of the ACA. Hiring is, in fact, up.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 8, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    to LdsLib 5:33p 12/6

    Enough already. The Nazi were left wingers. After reading Liberal Fascism, you'll discover that Nazi were militant, racist, new age hippies. Fascism (Nazis inc) was more the progressive left designed to help the middle class via democracy.

    Communism is/was violent left wing radicalism for the sole purpose of helping the downtrodden kick the elites to the curb.

    re: Semi-Strong 9:47p 12/6

    "Godwin's Law."

    What about?... “…in politics, what is real is not important. The important is what appears to be real to the gullible” – pg 339 The Cobra Frederick Forsyth

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Dec. 8, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    Hank Pym,

    Semi-Strong here.

    I don't understand how your post relates to mine above. Sorry.

    As to Hitler and the Nazis, the most relevant might be a quote from Hitler himself in Mein Kampf:

    "Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors [...] But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms."

    Pretty clearly Nazism was not what we (in the US) know as either conservative or liberal. Just too different of a beast. So labeling one of them as being Nazi is simply incorrect (and unnecessarily incendiary).

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 1:40 a.m.

    Conservatives need to have a positive message. Here it goes. Yes we can keep spending money we do not have. $17,000,000,000,000 really is not that much. We all deserve benefits from the government. Just keep spending and things will be better.

    I am sure on the Titanic it was similar - Oh it is nothing ladies and gentlemen. Just keep partying.

    Note to children. Do not worry when you find out that each of you is effectively on the hook for over $100,000. Just borrow some more money and dump the debt on your children.

    Now the cold hard truth - we need some adults in the room who will tell us the truth. We have a few like Sen. Lee, but we really do not want to hear what they have to tell us. It just sound so much better when someone tells us we can keep spending money we do not have. Call then Federal Reserve and tell them to keep printing the money.