Ms. Parker is correct. The relentless negativity combined with a stunning
streak of irrational behaviors have done the GOP no favors.They need
cool rationality instead of hotheads willing to sink the country for their
political purposes.They need to stop the war on science that
challenges their favored constituencies.They need to show that they
are ready and capable of leading - not just playing the obstructionist.I miss the republicans of just a few decades ago.
"The key for Republicans is to drop the negative attacks and refocus
energies on the positives of their own alternate plans. They do have some,
right?"Ms. Parker has hit the nail on the head. That has been
the problem for Republicans all along and is the reason for their focusing on
the negative aspects of the roll out. They don't have an alternative and
never planned to have one. Being negative is their only option and by now seems
to come so naturally to them."It's fine to note the
objective fact that ...(lots of evidence of the problems associated with the
roll out)...What alternative solutions are Republicans hiding behind their
backs?"It seems so simple doesn't it? The ACA has certainly
had a rocky start and Republicans should be in a good position to take advantage
of that. But the negative nature of their whole approach to government has
prohibited them from using those problems in a positive way to gain the support
of public. "'No' gets you nothing but nothing —
and gloating floats no boats." So true and yet some people just can't
understand that. Sad.
Your right Kathleen, no one should ever hold Obama and the Democrats
accountable! How dare anyone ask for honesty and responsibility from them!
I think the problem is that the GOP is behaving irrationally because it is
currently in the clutches of an irrational base. Republican
politicians are forced to take positions that make no sense because a toxic stew
of Tea Party paranoia and Christian fundamentalism is running the party.Don't believe me? OK, ask any Republican currently in office and
hoping for reelection if they'd be willing to state publicly what they
believe is the correct approximation for the age of the Earth. Is it measured in
thousands of years, or billions of years? Ask them what caused the Grand
Canyon, or why the DNA from chimpanzees so closely matches the DNA in humans.
Go ahead, try it. When you seem them trying desperately to dodge
and equivocate about how "its complicated" you'll see the problem
with today's GOP. They don't dare say anything to offend people who
are belligerently ignorant, but on whom they depend for votes.
The GOP has a positive message staring them in the face, if they're wise
enough to use it. My bet is, they're not. They'll try to compete on
who can give away the most candy.The theme they should develop is
"freedom to choose." Freedom to choose your own doctor, freedom to
choose your own plan, freedom for insurance providers to design plans that fit
the specific needs of their customers, freedom for employers to decide which
benefits to offer their workers. And the first step toward freedom is repeal.Then let the Obamacare implementation do the rest.But, like
I said, I don't think the Republicans are that smart.
Mrs. Parker is a conservative rooting for the Republican party and trying to
give helpful suggestions. What she realizes, and many Republicans lose sight
of, is that we have to change perspective to win votes and win elections. If we
(Republicans) don't win elections, it doesn't matter how pure our
dogma is. We have to appeal to more independent voters rather than alienate
them. If we don't win elections, then we end up with Obama and all the
associated problems that Republicans decry.
The policies of the GOP are toxic, so it's awfully touch not to have a
Kathleen Parker hits this one out of the ball-park, right over the
uber-Far-RIGHT fielders heads!Loved this line -- "Comparing approaches, President Obama is wearing love beads and planting
flowers in the gun barrels of the Republican guard."The
"Eleves vs. Orcs" line was also priceless!Archie Bunker.
Its odd that the very downbeat Mrs. Parker would complain about the negativity
of the GOP.The Republican Party has has gone seriously adrift. My
father's brand of conservatism was pro-science, pro-good government,
pro-business, pro-personal responsibility, pro-education, and pro-strong
defense. The current incarnation of conservatism is anti-science, anti-Obama,
anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-everything!After a while any reasonable
person just tunes out all the negativity.
Apparently Ms Parker is banking on the stupidity of the American people to
continue - after all they elected Barack Obama twice on nothing more than lies
such as "if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance". Ms
Parker thinks that Baracks new "happy talk" is going to sooth the
millions of insurance cancellation letters sent out each month and people will
just forget the sky high premiums, the loss of their doctor and blissfully
bounce along with "yes we can" re-runs. In the past, Barack could just
hit the campaign trail and belch out a bunch of propoganda and non-fact based
happy talk about his policies and people bought it because they weren't
seeing any direct effect from his policies....but all that changed with
Obamacare. Yes now the entire world has turned upside down on Barack and
Washington DC insiders like Kathlene Parker have no idea how to deal with the
new reality. Blame the GOP!!! Ok, go ahead and try. The GOP didn't vote for
the health care bill. Not one vote. Even vulnerable Senate Democrat's and
SPRINTING away from Obamacare now as the mid terms approach.
Toxic messaging may say something fundamental about conservatives in general,
but I think it is largely due to the right-wing media’s dog & pony
show coming home to roust. The new generation of conservative politicians grew
up on anger, vitriol and the constant stream of war metaphors to frame their
view (e.g. the “war” on Christmas being perhaps the most laughable),
so do we really expect these folks to behave like Lincoln?If
Republicans ever want to win national elections again they will need to find a
way to create a farm system for intellectuals and leaders (of everyone, and not
just the 53%), rather than just hotheaded entertainers.Jugglers
don’t change the world, but statesmen (e.g., Reagan) can.
Kathleen must be right. I mean Obama promised hope and promised that if you like
your insurance, you can keep it. That was hope. It was also a lie. Then he
delivered the dreadful ACA, with all its folly and disaster just beginning to be
manifest.Still half the people and 90% of the media still bank on
his hope. But you have to realize that the other thing Obama got
elected on the first time was primarily "I am not GWBush"
and that is a negative, so negative works some of the time.
Ms. Parker hits the nail on the head. Just read the usual, conservative posters
to the DN. They're negative, mean spirited, and don't offer positive,
fact based alternatives. If you're an independent voter swayed by content,
message and messanger why would you follow politicans like Bohener, Lee or Cruz?
Do you cheer and support people who say "yes we can" or those that say
"no, you can't"?
Kentucky is having all sorts of success with their Obamacare exchange program
(Kynect). Once the national system ends up fixed to run as well as theirs then
it's pretty much game over for Republicans on this issue.
Kathleen is so close to being right, while still managing to be completely
wrong.Republicans have been correct the entire time as they pointed
out from the beginning the problems that would come from Obamacare. The
Obamacare website problems are only the surface of the much deeper and more
significant problems that Obamacare is unleashing. So why the criticism of
Conservatives? The answer is similar to the reason prophets in the scriptures
were often imprisoned or even killed: people often respond with hatred and
sometimes even violence against those who don't tell them what they want to
hear. Doesn't matter how true the message is.Patriot's
comments on the matter are absolutely correct. The vitriol against Republicans
is the only way Socialists in this country can deflect public attention away
from the overwhelming failure of socialist policies. It is sad that Tea Party
desire for fiscal responsibility in government is labeled as
"irrational" or a "toxic stew". Shows how far our country has
"It is sad that Tea Party desire for fiscal responsibility in government is
labeled as 'irrational' or a 'toxic stew'."Two weeks of government shutdown, orchestrated by the Tea Party, cost the
country $26B. If that is fiscal responsibility I don't want any of it.
@ atl134. You are misinformed about Obamacare success in Kentucky. In fact, the
vast majority of people there have signed up for Medicaid not healthcare
insurance. Obama actually called the governor of Kentucky and congratulated him
Suppose McCain had won the election of 2008. Does anyone think that health care
would have been the subject of a single White House meeting in a McCain
administration? That plan (none at all) is still the GOP standard. You
can't beat something with nothing, and that includes daily frothing rants
and demands for impeachment. The public is tired of it and will vote against it.
The GOP left will then smugly call them "low information voters" while
their world crashes around their heads.
The Republican message is authentic in that it reflects what they really
believe, which is: if you are poor it is because you deserve to be, if you are
rich it is because you deserve to be. If you are poor you not only deserve to
be, but you should be punished for being such. So we will punish you by
starving you. What an outfit!
re:atl134You honestly think that the toxic polling data concerning
Obamacare is all tied to the non-functioning web site? Really? Cancellation
letters (now approaching 10 million) are going to sky rocket toward 80 million
as the employer mandate approaches in 2014 and people are going to continue to
lose their doctors AND be faced with new premiums that are 2-3 times higher than
their old polices - this is happening already. All the happy talk from Barack
isn't going to erase the harsh reality that people are getting slammed with
each and every week. The worst is yet to come guy - do you get that?? Young
people (age 20-33) are NOT signing up for Obamacare - they are instead opting to
either NOT sign up at all and suffer the penalty or just taking the medicare
route which pretty much DOOMS the funding of Obamacare...again these are REAL
numbers not theoretical. Young people simply can't afford the exchange
insurance premiums which are out outrageously high for the majority. You need to
step out of the Wonderland rabbit hole for a moment and experience reality guy.
re:Tyler DToxic messaging....such as "if you like your insurance
you can keep it". That toxic messaging? Let's see who said that anyway?
Oh that's right it was your king. Your senate Democrats are sprinting away
from Barack Obama and his doomed health care law as the 2014 mid terms approach.
Why is that Tyler? Do you think Senate Democrat's are paranoid of the tidal
wave of insurance cancellation letters that have occurred and are going to
continue in MUCH bigger numbers through 2014? The exchange premiums are too
expensive for most people and are causing budget busting pain for most families
as we speak. Is that going to change Tyler? No Tyler, the TOXIC messaging this
time is all on your side of the fence and all the Obama happy talk bull
isn't going to erase it....the letters and premiums are REAL. The GOP is
right to remind people who voted for this train wreck bill and NOT let them
wiggle free. The ANGER of the American people and the mis trust of Barack Obama
is reflected in the polls...check it out sometime Tyler.
Mountanman and Alt134,I believe that the expansion of Medicaid was
part of the ACA.Irrespective of this, individual states that decided
to embrace the ACA have had much better enrollment success vs. the federal
Mountainman's response is so typical. She no where in this said you should
not hold anyone responsible, less alone Obama. Where the heck did that come
from? No one is denying there is a problem. What the issue is that simply
pointing out the problem doesn't fix anything. I can tell when
my car needs repair... 100 people pointing that out to me doesn't help me
what so ever. At some point, I will stop listening. What will get my attention
is someone who says they can fix my car, and provides options.
Republicans\conservatives right now are only reporting problems, offering no
solution."When Republicans say the health care plan is doomed, a
train wreck, a disaster, etc. — and offer no hopeful options — they
appear to be rooting only for failure."Until the republicans
start selling a solution, they have nothing to offer - hence why their approval
ratings make Obama's look good.
patriotCedar Hills, UTre:atl134Young people (age 20-33)
are NOT signing up for Obamacare - ======= 1/2 bake AM
radio lie.The truth is -- 50% of those age 20-33 are not signing up
for "obamacare" becuase there are other options available.Like -
private insurance, or staying on their parents plans.I have a 22
year old daughter who just recently got married.She and her husband are
both college students.She is staying on our plan, he is
staying on his parent's plan.So theose "numbers" you
sight are misleading.BTW - what do you have to complain
about?Aren't you retired, living on the public dole via Social
Security AND Medicare?Hard to complain when you are one yourself.
@BadgerbadgerObama didn't use the phrase I'm not GWB. He
used Hope and Yes we can. A positive message. Regardless of whether or not he
followed though, his campaign was very POSITIVE. I'm getting
to the point where politics were always toxic, but the media makes it uberToxic.
Its tough to watch when you have a family and you want to stay upbeat and
The GOP stategy of negativity and attacking with no option other than just being
the party of NO, remind me of the playground bully.You know, the mean little kid who can't win the race on his own skills or merits,
sohe reverts to cheating, tripping, and shoving -- whatever it takes
- to beat the competition.
The GOP equivalent of tripping and shoving in CA is to sponsor a FAKE official
website, but can't sign anyone up for anything and actually tells people to
NOT have insurance. No, they won't send so much as a "get well"
card if things go wrong, either.
Newt and Romney never opposed the individual private insurance mandate until
Obama jujitsued them on it and implemented it himself. Whoh, what now? That was
OUR idea!If it weren't for the foamed mouthed, lemming attitude
of current republicans, they could never live it down.
@patriot,"Apparently Ms Parker is banking on the stupidity of
the American people to continue - after all they elected Barack Obama twice on
nothing more than lies such as "if you like your insurance you can keep your
insurance". "Thank you for succinctly encapsulating Ms.
Parker's point. Insulting the electorate has become the GOP message.
There was a tike not too long ago when the Right had genuine ideas and argued
well for them. The level-headed thinkers are being purged as RINOs and the
Perpetually Outraged Brigades of Limbaugh Listeners have taken over. They offer
little but insults, anger, faux patriotism, and ideas that have the intellectual
rigor of a bumper system sticker slogan.America works best when
there's a flow of competing ideas. Please GOP - go back to offering
something instead the status quo.
According to the latest from Gallup, Obama's approval rating has plummeted
into the 30s as millions of people continue to lose their health insurance. Its
going to get worse, liberals, when the employer mandate takes effect! Democrat
politicians up for re-election are looking for cover! And some of you say the
GOP is the problem? Do you hear laugher?
Some Republicans have some good ideas about health care reform, but they are all
already included in ACA. Republicans are still plumping for some bad ideas, like
a national insurance market that would have devastating results on people with
chronic problems. ACA rejected that, thank goodness.
Wonderful op-ed!(NO) republicans, (NO) conservatives and (NO)
t-party people...Perfect.It is much faster as well as
accurate to simply refer all of the above as the NO Party.It is also
a great day when the DN allows a republican/conservative/t-party (NO) pundit to
mock the republican/conservative/t-party, NO "platform".Thanks.
Want to know how far right the GOP has come?Just look at how many
have labeled Parker a "liberal" in this forum. How insane that even
writers like Parker are being labeled "liberal" by the far right. Amazing.At the rate they're going, Glenn Beck and Rush
Limbaugh in a few months will be labeled as "liberals." Pretty soon the
right wing will demand that we burn "liberal" books and force those who
disagree with them to wear gold stars on their shirts.
"Your right Kathleen, no one should ever hold Obama and the Democrats
accountable! How dare anyone ask for honesty and responsibility from
them!"The irony here is you are the angry conservative from the
article. Any rational person, even if they support the ideas that are part of
the ACA, can't argue that the rollout has gone well. It hasn't,
it's been an unmitigated failure. What Parker is pointing out, is that
screaming about how bad Obama is, or how bad the ACA is, without actually
putting new ideas on the table turns away all but the most hardcore republicans,
which can win you seats in congress from states like Utah and Texas, but it will
never win you a national election, where you must have moderate and independent
voters. She's not saying it's wrong to criticize the ACA, she's
saying ranting and raving without any substantive ideas of your own makes you
look crazy. And who wants to be associated with crazy people?
Per Gallup poll today"President Barack Obama's job approval
rating of 41% in November is down 12 points from the recent monthly high of 53%
in December 2012. His largest declines were among Hispanics, lower-income
Americans, nonwhites, and moderates."Now I know perhaps they
teach math different in different parts of the country…..but to
most… 41 does not equal " into the 30s" by most any reasonable
persons definition. My source, the Gallup home page as of 6:41 mountain time
- today. I would love to know the source where the "30s" number came
from. It wasn't Gallup themselves.I really don't
understand the need to distort here. There is plenty to debate without
fabricating facts. "Do you hear laugher?" ….. I
do…. I really do. I hear it every time I read yet another distorted fact.
Utah Blue. "Obama's Approval Rating Drops To Lowest Point
Ever"..The Huffington Post Headline.. Newsmax: "Gallup: Obama
Losing Support of Hispanic Voters" Published Dec 5, 2013.This as been
on many newscasts today!So much for distorted facts! Wise up!
What's the GOP's approval rating again?
What planet does this lady come from? "Every time Republicans slam on the
brakes, Obama tosses coins and candy into the crowds." Since when did the
president toss anything desirable into the crowds?
MidvalieanWhat was positive about the Obama campaign? Lies?
Distortions? So called war on women? "If you like your health care plan
you can keep your health care plan" His people used every
distortion imaginable to destroy Mitt Romney who is a very decent guy.
Noodlekaboodle and KathleenYou ask who wants to be associated with
crazy people? You talk about the criticism of the Republicans w/o them having
any alternatives to offer? Well let's start back in 2010 in October when
Senator Enzi from Wyoming offered a plan to enable those who were going to lose
their health care plans to keep them - not a single Democrat voted for it. The
Senator actually read the Federal Register. That is interesting because that is
precisely what Senator Landrieu is offering in her bill now. We have had no
less than a half dozen Republicans offer plans that include offering medical
savings accounts. We have had Republicans who are doctors offer plans which
include bringing the doctors into the forum to discuss the problems of medical
care. What a novel idea when you consider that the Democrats neither did that
nor offer an olive branch to the other party for anything. For some reason they
felt it was better to shove this down our throats even making certain that the
senate vote was taken before they would swear Senator Scott Brown of
Massachusetts in because he ran on the platform against the ACA.
So social security and Medicare , in which all of us have paid thousands and
thousands into over the years in order to receive a return, is now in the same
category as welfare and other long term freeloading activities. I don't
think so, get a clue.And which is worse, the party with no ideas or the
party spending money uncontrollably and constantly lying to us? I hope the
change us working out well for everyone,
Nate says:"The GOP has a positive message staring them in the
face, if they're wise enough to use it. My bet is, they're not.
They'll try to compete on who can give away the most candy.The
theme they should develop is "freedom to choose." Freedom to choose your
own doctor, freedom to choose your own plan, freedom for insurance providers to
design plans that fit the specific needs of their customers, freedom for
employers to decide which benefits to offer their workers. And the first step
toward freedom is repeal."You should add "Freedom to choose
whom you will marry". "Freedom to choose whether or not you'll
maintain a pregnancy". "Freedom to be paid a decent wage".The Party of "No" is the party destined for extinction.
"So much for distorted facts! Wise up!" from Mountainman.What part of those quotes supports your claim to Gallup saying Obama's
opinion rating down in the 30 percent range. You can't just make stuff up.
Gallup gave a very specific number.... if you don't like it, it
doesn't mean you get to change it.I didn't debate
Obama's ratings were down - I included that in my quote. They are. Pretty
normal for a lame duck president. What I challenged was your claim to they were
in the 30's... which they aren't... per the pool you sited.Why 41% wasn't bad enough for you.... who knows. It just isn't that
hard to verify claims now days...
okay, very scary! the Obamacare website is now working, and people are flocking
to it to see insurance plans compared with one another, side by side, almost
like Progressive Insurance's savvy strategy... and people are buying! What
can the GOP do to stop this madness of giving customers choice and price
competition? Shut the Internet down?
@MountainmanDo I care that they signed up for Medicaid? More people have
health insurance than before in Kentucky, that's what I wanted. I support
universal healthcare after all.@patriotThe employer mandate
means that anyone who works for a company and gets cancellation notices will
still end up with new insurance anyway. Remember Hannity's special on three
couples struggling with Obamacare? One had issues with his business but it turns
out he has 5 employees and isn't subject to the mandate anyway. One thought
premiums would double, factchecking found a comparable plan on the exchange
that'd be cheaper than their old plan The third was in a similar situation
to the second (thinking premiums would skyrocket) except it turns out their
premiums would only very slightly increase with a plan that covers much more
than their old plan. Most of these "horror stories" turn out to be smoke
and mirrors like was the case for 100% of the guests Hannity had on that
Obamacare horror story panel. When people realize they actually aren't
harmed by the bill, they'll like the good things like ending pre-existing
@MountanmanThe latest from Gallup is 42% approval 51% disapproval for
Obama, he's not in the 30s. I'll give you his RCP average of polls
which is 40.0-54.4. Use that since it's a sample size of around 10 or so
To be consistent, the GOP needs to toxically spin the recent good news on the
employment front. Or conduct a shutdown to try again to ruin the economy so that
can blame Obama.
It is important to have some resistance to the progressive, big government ideas
of the White House and the Senate. This is critical in times of recession when
everyone is clamoring for benefits. Public policies have a tendency to veer
left. Look at the FDR years for examples.There must be a voice to tell us
that it is unwise to vote ourselves a raise and free cheese.Such messages
are harder to swallow than offering freebies, but they are nevertheless
Realmaverick "Pretty soon the right wing will demand that we
burn "liberal" books and force those who disagree with them to wear gold
stars on their shirts."It's going to be the opposite. The
mass media is controlled by the liberals. and they are going to execute anybody
they deem to be a racist no matter how absurd the reason. Children are already
being expelled from schools for silly things like making paper guns. People are
being fired from their jobs for daring to criticize their dear leader Barack
Obama. Mass executions without trial will be coming once they stage the right
mass shooting or terror attack that most of the public will buy. Just like they
staged the Reichstag fire. You are doing their prep work for them just by typing
things like this. I'm glad I was smart enough to leave before this happens.
Anti Bush-ObamaChihiuahua, 00It's going to be the
opposite. ===========Real Maverick is correct, you
[Anti Bush-Obama] are once again wrong.a. the Nazis were
Right-wing.b. The fire at the Reichstag was staged and blamed on the Left
[communists]c. Liberals were sent to the gas chambers.
Cam we just leave outrageous references to anything NAZI out of this. Anyone
who pretends we live in conditions even slightly approaching those when the Nazi
party came to power is either functionally illiterate, has no sense of history,
or is just plain living in an alternative reality.More so, it is
insulting to those who really did live under that tyranny for any American to
pretend they are living under anything resembling that lever of oppression.
Millions died for no crime other than their religion, or ethnic origin. I find it shameful some would stoop so low as to compare either side to
anything Nazi, or Stalinist. And the DN shouldn't allow such
inflammatory, and insulting accusations to be made on its site. "People are being fired from their jobs for daring to criticize their dear
leader Barack Obama. Mass executions without trial will be coming …"
Let's clear a few things up from those whose memories have failed them.1. Obamacare was passed illegally.2. Democrats own Obamacare 100%.
3. Democrats in Congress and Obama refused to listen to any Republican
suggestion or amendment4. Everything that was predicted about Obamacare by
those who opposed it has come true.5. So many of you ask "Where is the
Republican plan?" If you don't know then you haven't paid
attention since there have been many plans put forward. 6. Millions are
losing their insurance because of Obamacare7. Obama lied about if you like
your insurance you can keep it and your doctor too.Republicans
should not lift a finger to "fix" Obamacare. They should let it fall
flat on its face and the pain from the arrogance of the Left be felt in the
nation. It will sink them forever.Parker has always clamored for
Repubs to kneel down to the ignorance of the Left.The only angry
people on these pages are those who hate Repubs and love Obama. I've never
seen anyone who supports Libs actually admit that anything Libs do is wrong or
has failed. It's just excuses and blame Repubs. Grow up!
UtahBlueDevil,Godwin's Law.Charles S,Yes, let's please clear a few things up.For a law that was
passed illegally, Obamacare survived the Supreme Court amazingly well. Folks
may not like how it was passed, but it was constitutional.Democrats
may own Obamacare 100% but the genesis of it was the Republicans. Really.I have been paying attention. The Republican plans I have read about
are not plans at all. They are minor tweaks that would do little more than nip
at the edges of our problems or they are non-answers (they seem like answers but
not if you really do any research). Not to say Obamacare is the right answer.
But it is clear that the Republicans do not have a real plan.So here
we are. One side has a flawed but more or less comprehensive plan. The other
side has just bits and pieces but nothing approaching a comprehensive plan.
But, they want us to reject the flawed comprehensive plan even though they have
nothing waiting in the wings to replace it.
Scott Brown won the Senate seat to defeat the law. The Dems shoved it through
illegally. Roberts was pressured the last days to uphold it. He fell to the
pressure of DC. If he would have stayed true to the Constitution then Obamacare
would have been completely defeated.Since you believe it is law
legally, then where is the line in the sand of what Congress can or can not
force someone to purchase against their will with the penalty being fines or
imprisonment?Where is the line?The problem with
INSURANCE, not health care is that government got in the business of dictating
what had to be covered to appease the Libs. Rates are high because of all of
these dictates. I believe those dictates are illegal and so is
forcing someone to buy something they don't want. There are many options
out there to decrease costs, most notably health savings accounts and buying
health INSURANCE, like you do car insurance.Obamacare failed because
it is socialism and socialism always fails. You own 100%. Obamacare will
continue to bring down the economy and hurt individuals and families. You own
that as well.
Charles S,Being neither a Democrat nor a member of Congress, I own
nothing of Obamacare. I see its flaws and its strengths.As to the
constitutionality of any law, there is only what flawed men can interpret and
agree to. There is no super arbiter of the constitution. The arbiters are
Congress, President, and Supreme Court. Once they have all weighed in, it is
constitutional. Even when I disagree (and I do sometimes).The
constitution is a process. It outlines how we make and unmake law. The role of
the people is to elect. The role of the elected (or the appointed and approved
for the Supreme Court) is to then use the process.
Parker is wrong about the economic impact of the Affordable Care Act. All of
the reputable projections, including from OMB, show 'Obamacare'
reducing the federal deficit. In addition, the cost of health care insurance
premiums is increasing at the lowest level in decades. As for her support of
trickle down economics, any intelligent person should know that doesn't
work by now. The one percent who will pay slightly higher taxes can afford to.
Nor is there any evidence of employees being let go because of the ACA. Hiring
is, in fact, up.
to LdsLib 5:33p 12/6Enough already. The Nazi were left wingers.
After reading Liberal Fascism, you'll discover that Nazi were militant,
racist, new age hippies. Fascism (Nazis inc) was more the progressive left
designed to help the middle class via democracy. Communism is/was
violent left wing radicalism for the sole purpose of helping the downtrodden
kick the elites to the curb. re: Semi-Strong 9:47p 12/6"Godwin's Law."What about?... “…in
politics, what is real is not important. The important is what appears to be
real to the gullible” – pg 339 The Cobra Frederick Forsyth
Hank Pym,Semi-Strong here.I don't understand how
your post relates to mine above. Sorry.As to Hitler and the Nazis,
the most relevant might be a quote from Hitler himself in Mein Kampf:"Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting
that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from
the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of
traitors [...] But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same
reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews
who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms."Pretty clearly Nazism was not what we (in the US) know as either
conservative or liberal. Just too different of a beast. So labeling one of
them as being Nazi is simply incorrect (and unnecessarily incendiary).
Conservatives need to have a positive message. Here it goes. Yes we can keep
spending money we do not have. $17,000,000,000,000 really is not that much. We
all deserve benefits from the government. Just keep spending and things will be
better.I am sure on the Titanic it was similar - Oh it is nothing
ladies and gentlemen. Just keep partying.Note to children. Do not
worry when you find out that each of you is effectively on the hook for over
$100,000. Just borrow some more money and dump the debt on your children.Now the cold hard truth - we need some adults in the room who will tell
us the truth. We have a few like Sen. Lee, but we really do not want to hear
what they have to tell us. It just sound so much better when someone tells us
we can keep spending money we do not have. Call then Federal Reserve and tell
them to keep printing the money.