I am typically not a big fan of the state of Utah but I must hand it to them for
being well run and fiscally responsible. They ended the year with a surplus
(although I do think that any surplus should be returned to the citizens of that
state in the form of lower taxes) and this year they designated new money to
education. As poor as this state is in education performance and their
education spending record I must congratulate them on the prioritization of
Although Education could use more, I think the governor is doing what he does
best and that is managing with the resources he is given. Great Job Gary, glad
we have someone that can manage in a low resource environment.
The demographics of our State no doubt present a unique challenge with respect
to education. Obviously if you spend alot of money per pupil then you would
naturally have the best high school graduation rates right?Not even
close.The District of Columbia spends the 2nd highest/pupil in the
USA and despite that they have THE lowest highschool graduation rates.As much as people love to make the correlation it just simply not factual
data.I mean seriously, just because I pay more in a teacher benefits
doesn't make them a better educator/teacher. It just means they have
better benefits. Double all of their salaries tomorrow and the educational
results don't change because you still have the same people teaching the
same way.Better educators held accountable for results (like other
jobs in the real world) get better results.I'm all for fair pay
but every time I turn around my kids have "half-day" or
"early-out" or days of partying before an actual Holiday and all the
different breaks i.e. UEA. All I can think of is when are they in school
actually learning something?The results are no mystery to me.
It's ironic that there is often a great deal of criticism of education in
Utah, but no one makes a peep about the obscenely high cost of corrections. The
sad truth is that we law-abiding taxpayers get to bear the full cost of keeping
criminals fed and clothed, and we get exactly nothing in return. It would be so
great if there were varying degrees of living comfort for criminals based on how
much they are able to contribute to their own upkeep. Work an 8 hour day
producing something the state needs, you get one cell mate. Work 4 hours, you
get three cell mates. Don't work, you get 24 cell mates and one toilet.
Let's at least get something out of our wasted corrections dollars.Also, there never seems to be any consideration given to the fact that
more educational resources results in the need for fewer correctional resources.
@Anti GovernmentI remember those holidays and half-days were well
looked forward to when I was in elementary school. They were much needed breaks.
@Anti GovernmentDo you realize how far behind the average per pupil
spending we are? Comparing what Utah does to what Washington DC does really is
a red herring argument. Of course there is no one-to-one
correlation with spending money and graduation rates. In the real world where
problems are complex and nuanced, there is no such thing as a one-to-one
correlation--just ask a statistician.It is disingenuous to suggest
that Utah does not need to spend more on education. Save that argument for when
our spending levels are near the middle of the pack.
We absolutely need to invest more in education. Our class sizes are through the
roof. We need more technology, updated textbooks, and other basics to be able
to provide a rigorous education to all of our Utah students including our
growing population of economicaly disadvantaged students. We still have not
gotten back to pre-economic downturn spending levels. The cuts that were made
in education during the downturn were not fat. They were lean muscle.We can improve education outcomes in Utah. We do need a strong investment to
do it. If education were our true highest priority (and it needs to be), we
could and would find a way to invest more in education. Education is by far our
most important investment in the future.
I keep seeing comments that indicate that people don't realize that being
last in per-pupil funding in the nation (and among developed nations as well) is
something to worry about. Recruiting and retaining the very best, brightest,
and classroom-worthy teachers is the aim in countries that have passed us by in
international assessments, and it ought to be the aim here. Inspiring teachers
make a big difference, just as those who are discouraged, underrewarded,
overburdened and, to boot, micromanaged by legislators do.
We've never in Utah tried to match our enthusiasm for family and children
with like enthusiasm for top-of-the-line public education for those children.
When we do, watch out world.
Anti Government,It is always funny that when someone suggests that
education get a couple of extra dollars we pull out the argument that Washington
DC spends the 2nd most on education and has the worst test scores and we simply
ignore the demographics that contribute to those scores, yet we use demographics
in Utah for the reason we have the lowest funding for education in the country.
It is easy to cherry pick statistics and take them out of context to
prove a point when we don't want to admit that our effort to fund education
in this state is pitiful. An honest examination of the facts would tell us that
money doesn't guarantee success, but when we look at states that are
similar to Utah demographically that spend more money, also have students who
score significantly higher on standardized tests. Money
doesn't guarantee success, but continuing to starve the system will
We also need to attract the best and brightest into the teaching profession. We
will not be able to do that with our current salaries. Whenever someone who is
among the best and brightest joins the teaching profession, they do it as an act
of service and altruism--not because they will be paid what they are worth. Many
potentially fantastic teachers end up choosing to not become teachers because it
will be very difficult to support a family on the beginning teacher salary. Of course, we will never be able to pay great teachers what they are
worth. We can, however, invest in teacher salaries and allow future teachers who
will be fantastic to join the profession with the knowledge that they can make a
decent living. Right now, our teacher salaries scare off many fantastic
potential teachers.Study after study suggests that students learn
significantly more from outstanding teachers. If we want more outstanding
teachers, we need to pay for it. We need to invest more in programs like the
National Board for Professional Teaching Standards
Enough with the early outs and half days, kids need to go to school and learn,
and teachers need to teach, no more videos and pointless coloring assignments in
math class. We should run our schools like a call center by identifying skills
and techniques that make the difference between good teachers and bad teachers,
place cameras in every class room and at random record the teachers and grade
them based on how they implement and use such skills and techniques.
Why is he spending less than what the govt brings in?
What a disgraceful budget. Shame on you Gary. Our education system is starved.
It needs more dollars period. At least twice as many dollars. And we fall
farther and farther behind and no one seems to care. Our kids aren't
competitive. What a joke.
I have a suggestion: All of you clamoring for more money to go to education,
please donate to the state an additional 40 percent of your income. Put your
money where your mouth is. I mean, seriously--where, exactly, do
you think all of this money that you claim needs to go to education is going to
come from? Utah doesn't have a free money tree. The amount of
money Utah spends and taxes its citizens for the purpose of education is
obscene. Don't forget, the state is not the biggest funder of
education--it is local property taxes. If you want more money to go
to education, then you liberals should be clamoring for the oil and gas industry
in Utah to be opened up to the fullest, so the state can collect on all the oil
and gas royalties. Direct choice there, bucks: which will win? Your treehugger
instincts or your "think of the children!" ones?
Utah teachers do a great job with limited resources.But, throwing
more money at the bloated education bureaucracy will NOT improve education
outcomes. Nor will confiscating more money from taxpaying families make Utah a
better place.We have limited funds, from a fair level of taxation
(which should NOT be increased!) and need to live within what that brings in.Good job, Governor Herbert on a responsible, prudent, and well thought
out budget. Fiscal responsibility is rare in elected officials, and he got it
just right!We do spend a lot to lock up criminals- but that issue is
VanceoneI have consistently said on this board that the government should
double my RIDICULOUSLY LOW property taxes. I send my kids to private schools
(it's the only chance they have in this state) and I'm still happy to
pay double the property taxes to educate other's kids. Who are
my kids going to hire in 10 years? I'll bet you $100 bucks they won't
be hiring kids educated in UT.
I agree with all the anti-education rhetoric...Stack'um deep
and teach'um cheap!Liberals need to learn... especially those
irritating tree-hugging ones...that any money spent educating children is money
that should be spent on something more important...Like tax breaks
(aka; corporate well fare/bribes) for oil and gas companies...
We currently spend close to $9,000 per student on education. That is a huge
amount, especially given the fact that our public schools are not as good as
they were in the past and the fact that many private schools are better and
charge less than $9,000 a year. We should privatize education. 20 kids in a
class= $180,000 budget, pay the teacher $50,000+ and you still have $130,000 a
year to cover computers, ipads, utilities, rent and upkeep. The public school
system is very inefficient and underpays teachers. The amount of waste is
astonishing when you look at it this way. You cannot tell me that a private
company could not do a better job getting $180,000 for 20 students! With the
technology we have we do not need these monstrous, expensive buildings and we
certainly don't need to keep kids locked up 8 hours a day at school. We
need innovation in education and using online courses offered by the best
educators in the country with reduced class time and more hands on learning and
internships would certainly improve things.