I don't think the people gathering at the roadside in California are
celebrating a mormon. I don't believe they're celebrating a good
series of movies, either, but that's certainly up to them, I guess.
Sad how even a nice piece reporting the death of a fine actor and a moral man
will draw jabs.
Condolences to the Walker family. Regarding Paul Walker being
raised Mormon: Is it just me or am I am seeing a trend among people in the
entertainment industry who used to be Latter-day Saints but are no longer
practicing. I suppose this happens in every walk of life, but I am tempted to
say, "Mamas, don't let you babies grow up to be actors/actresses".
Sad to hear this. Hollywood needs good people like him. RIP, Paul.
I don't think they are celebrating him because he was a father, a good
person, or someone who liked nature either, but they are all a part of who he
There are several people who were once members of the LDS Church who have been
drawn into the movie industry and left their faith. Its all part of the pull of
the Great and Spacious Building in Lehi's dream. The desire for fame and
fortune are powerful motivators and when coupled with actual success and
recognition, some do forget their roots and some even point the finger of scorn
at those who have remained near the tree or are struggling up the path. I have a
very close relative who is doing the same thing as you have seen them (I will
not reveal age or sex) on your TV screen and it is sad for me to watch. They
were once raised in good homes and have now been lured away by the world because
of its enticements, and now their families are even encouraging it because of
the success it brings. Every one of us has to keep our eye on the
prophet and stay on the path toward the tree. Of what value is it to gain the
whole world, and lose our soul in the process?
Really, people...unless you know things for a fact, stop making assumptions,
about a group of people or even one person. Not everyone who was but is no
longer LDS and also happens to be in the entertainment business left the Church
after or because of their chosen profession. Statistics would say many of them
left before they got into the business. And there are plenty in the business who
are still in the Church. So the one thing does not necessarily cause the other.
Good grief. And condolences to Walker's family...who I'm sure loved
dasha!Thank you for that comment.
I'm definitely being judgmental here, so i suppose that makes me a
hypocrite, but quit being so judgmental towards others who choose different
paths. The man just died, his family is going through pain, let's not turn
this into your own soapbox. I do think mosiah 18:9 did say something to the
effect of "criticize those whose son's have chosen a different path.
Cause those that mourn more pain by judging them for not being good parents in
thine eyes", but I could be wrong.
Weirdest comments I have read in awhile.
@dasha--I hope you weren't considering my points as being judgmental of
Paul Walker. I was making a comment in reference to AZKID's comment and
drawing upon a very personal experience of one I know who has gotten into the
entertainment industry and fallen away from the church. I have no more knowledge
about Mr. Walker's path than what was presented here in this article and I
am not judging him. @sky2k1--You might want to look up that
reference again. I wish condolences for Mr. Walker's family as
this must be a trying time for all of them. Christ is the only judge and we
should place our hopes in him no matter what our (or others) current standing is
in the church.
"whom am I to judge another if I walk imperfectly?", I love that hym,
because it reminds me that in or out of the church, we are all humans and make
mistakes. I tell you what, if I was Paul walkers friend, and I knew he was a
member, and he did not go for X amount of reasons, to church, where he was
raised, my only hope, is that through my example, he would feel the love and
motivation to come back, because my example would speak for it's self. AND
I would love him unconditionally, like i do alot of my friends who are less
active. Love is the key, example is the door, and consistency is the pathway no
matter where they go. May heavenly father comfort beyond words the Walker Family
and regardless of which path Paul took, I know heavenly father knows his heart,
his desires, and we will be surprised and over joyed where we will see him again
I don't think you have to be in the entertainment industry to leave the
church. People are leaving the church all around the world everyday. They are
leaving because they read facts about the church that causes them to question,
and ultimately leave the church. It is a big problem for the church right now.
That is why they have so many talks on re-activating people during conference
lately.RIP Paul. You will be missed.
Can we stop using the terms "active" and "inactive"? What other religion has to say they are an inactive or active Catholic or
Buddhist? Are we only about showing up or what? I think we're not supposed
@Church Member--Please read or view the talk at the last General Conference from
Pres. Uchtdorf, Saturday Morning, last talk of that session. It answers many of
the claims you have made in your comment.
He said it himself --- "Acting is my job, not my life ..." One never knows the reason someone else does or says something. It sounds to
me like he had his head on straight and trying to be a good dad. Whether or not
he was going to church was his choice, and life is all about free agency.
Have been out of the news loop for awhile and didn't know about Paul's
death until seeing this article. Was sad to hear about it, and glad
to read of his thoughts on God and his love for his daughter. May
his family be comforted and may he find peace and learning where he is now.
Why would the Church lay claim to someone that doesn't have anything to do
with them?Very confusing to me.
To: KellyWSmithJust read it. It talks about nothing I put in my
@ Dennis,It isn't confusing at all. A writer (Abby Stevens)
for the Deseret News wrote an article in which she commented that Paul Walker
grew up as a member of the Church. Just a simple factual statement. The Church
laid no claims here.
Why does everything have to have a mormon connection?
So was he an ex-Mormon or an inactive Mormon? The article is not clear on
My children tell me he was a wonderful actor and human being.Our
sympathies to his family and friends.
Church didn't claim him. Newspaper did.
Local media will always seek a connection to that which garners local attention.
In Utah, that will be the majority religion. Quite a simple deduction. The
Church, Mr Scientist, is not publicizing the death of a person who was raised
Unlike most Hollywood types and just to show the type of MAN Paul was in real
life, he came into our clinic in California on the Wednesday just prior to
Thanksgiving. One of our employees that had been extremely helpful with him was
depressed due to her learning her husband of many years was not long for this
life with liver cancer. In the past they had discussed their commonality of
faith with an LDS upbringing. Paul selflessly feeling her impending loss, sent
her flowers to cheer her up... We all came to love Paul and his caring humble
attitude and we will miss him greatly.Will
Unless he had been excommunicated, he was a member. Honestly, why would anybody
be concerned about the fact that the DN has reported that he was raised in the
Church. It is a fact of his life and is probably of interest to a lot of
readers. He was apparently not active which is too bad, but those are the
choices we make in life. However, it apparently was an important factor in his
beliefs and his actions. it has really made me stop and think about how
important our choices are because we never know when we will be called home.
CatsWhy is it too bad that he wasn't active? If he didn't
want to be active, then it isn't too bad at all. I don't get it.
Insecure churchies are quick to grab on to anyone who has had any encounter with
the church to somehow boast there own esteem. Notice they where not quick to
claim the LDS affiliation of Jody Arias, Ted Bundy or Gary Bishop?
@Brahmabull,Cats clearly believes there is a benefit to being an
active member of the Church. The "too bad" comment was based on
Cats' point of view, not Paul Walker's point of view. What's not
On at least one occasion this man was reckless, putting his and potentially
other peoples lives at risk. I saw an interview he gave this morning. In the
interview he admitted to diving 184 mph on the freeway. This type of behavior is
no different IMVHO than driving while intoxicated. People should also remember
this as they reflect on his life. I am curious as to what in his upbringing
caused him to think that driving at that speed on a public road was a good idea
and the right thing to do.
Judge me not, just because I sin differently than you.
@ "Dennis" and "A Scientist":The L.D.S. Church said
nothing about Paul Walker. The media produced that information. Paul Walker
was, by all accounts a fine man, who was grounded and had excellent priorities.
Too few of them in Hollywood. Very tragic for all concerned.
@ KellyWSmith@ Church memberIt's not just actors and
Hollywood and entertainment. One way or another, the majority of Mormons are
losing or leaving their faith. Mormon researchers Matt Martinich and his
colleague David Stewart over the last few years have put out estimates of
church-wide activity at 29-36% in one report up to maybe 40% in another.The issue seems not so much to be Mormons asking questions but, rather,
Mormons finding answers.It also seems fairly well established that
Marlin K. Jensen pretty much acknowledged publicly that there's a crisis of
apostasy in Mormonism not seen since Kirtland. With the internet and other
sources, it seems unlikely to be reversed. In some ways, it's
sad. In some ways, it's too bad that it's not true.FAIR
and BYU-Neal Maxwell turn out huge amounts of Mormon apologetics but they seem
to be persuasive only to people who already believe and not even to all of
them. At the same time, thy also acknowledge that, from the common body of
evidence regarding the Bible and the BoM and the BoA, it would be rational to
conclude that they're all purely human inventions.RIP Paul
A Scientist:The church didn't; the newspaper did.
KellyWSmithSparks, NV@Church Member--Please read or view the talk at
the last General Conference from Pres. Uchtdorf, Saturday Morning, last talk of
that session. It answers many of the claims you have made in your comment.11:33 p.m. Dec. 2, 2013=======Agreed.President Uchtdorf gets it.Try being a left-leaning non-Republican
active member in Utah.Going to Church on Sunday is one of my least
favorite things to do.I know how your Senator Harry Reid must
feel.My Testimony is stronger than ever, BUTthe
"members" here tend to put political party affliation ahead of
everything else.Nation, Religion, even Family...Perhaps Pres.
Uchtdorf gets it because he isn't a Republican, or an American, or even
I suppose when your political affiliate accepts things such as abortion and gay
marriage, things your religous affiliate stand firmly against, you should feel a
little uncomfortable in church, airnaut. Choose ye this day...
@cats;People leave the church all the time and don't submit a
"letter of resignation". They're not Mormons even if they're
still on the LDS rolls. The LDS church does NOT require new converts to submit
a letter of resignation to their previous church; NONE is actually required to
leave the LDS church either. It's called "freedom of association".
Mr. Walker's death is a tragedy for him, his friends, and his family, but I
take issue with his improper characterization of atheism and atheists. He
suggested, (as Oprah Winfrey also did recently), that atheists somehow cannot
grasp the beauty of the natural world, and that we believe that everything in
existence came to be by virtue of "a mistake". This is not an accurate
depiction of the atheist point of view, and it's disingenuous to suggest
that it is. As an atheist, I perceive the beauty of the natural world just as
profoundly as anyone, and if I may submit, even more so, in my experience. Just
because he "surfs and snowboards" doesn't mean his brand of
appreciation of all that is naturally beautiful is better than mine is arrogant,
and, unfortunately, all too common...
I would have to agree with another poster on this thread about labeling people
as being "active", "less active" or "inactive". Being
devoted to one's faith isn't just about how many times you attend
church. We will all choose different paths according to truth we understand
because we are unique individuals. I believe we need to allow people to take
those paths according to their conscience without self-righteous judgment from
other members of the LDS church.
I wonder how many people are claimed by more than one faiths as members?I suppose I still belong to the Colunbia Record Club although I
don't consider myself a member.
Filthy KuffarSpanish Fork, UTI suppose when your political affiliate
accepts things such as abortion and gay marriage, things your religous affiliate
stand firmly against, you should feel a little uncomfortable in church, airnaut.
Choose ye this day...12:25 p.m. Dec. 3, 2013==========
What was it Jesus said about "judging" others?FYI -- I'm "un-affilated".BTW -- The Republican
Party platform bans ALL abortions.Rape, Incest, Life and Health of the
woman, etc.The LDS Church is pro-enviroment, pro-immigration
reform, and supported Equal Housing for LGBTs - all of which
Utah Republicans [many Mormons themselves] soundly reject..That is
not in harmony with the LDS Church.I am.Choose ye this
The article points out Walker grew up Mormon,but the linked article attributes
Walker as saying, "I'm a Christian now." Walker no longer described
himself as Mormon, and even suggested Mormons are not Christians, since
"I'm Christian now" indicates he did not consider himself Christian
Having lived among LDS for several decades, I can assure you when they say
"active, less active, and inactive", what they really mean is
"righteous, less righteous, and unrighteous".
Dear Ranch, Scientist, et al: Wow! I had no idea I was touching so many
sensitive nerves with my "inactive" comment. May I just briefly state
that bitterness is so sad and leads to nothing but emptiness. Those who spend
all their time using every article to attack the Church are so sad. I have
never known anyone who left the Church who was ever happier no matter how much
they try to convince themselves and everyone else they are. Again, his death has really made me ponder even more how important our choices
are. When we make covenants at baptism, how we choose to live is very
important. We can hold to the Iron Rod or we can choose to fall away. It is a
reminder in my own life.
My heart goes out to the Walker family. May Paul rest in peace and continue his
love for his fellowman on the other side.
@Cats"I have never known anyone who left the Church who was ever
happier no matter how much they try to convince themselves and everyone else
they are. "So when someone tells you that they left the church,
and are happier having done so you just dismiss them? They must be lying to
you? Or themselves?Wow. Ignorance really is bliss I guess.
KellyWSmithSparks, NV"There are several people who were once
members of the LDS Church who have been drawn into the movie industry and left
their faith. Its all part of the pull of the Great and Spacious Building in
Lehi's dream. The desire for fame and fortune are powerful motivators and
when coupled with actual success and recognition, some do forget their roots and
some even point the finger of scorn at those who have remained near the tree or
are struggling up the path. Every one of us has to keep our eye on
the prophet and stay on the path toward the tree. Of what value is it to gain
the whole world, and lose our soul in the process?"...Are
we mind readers (to determine why Walker left the church)?Are we the ones
to judge whether he led a good life? He had just finished a huge charity event
that raised a fortune.Should we totally disrespect him and other people
for making their choices?Jesus taught me not to present myself as
judge of those who do me no harm. Speaking ill of the dead,
especially before the funeral, does not seem Christian.
I beg to differ with the comments on my being "confused".The
Church is completely involved with this article. It's published in the
Church owned paper in the "Faith" department. They don't have to
announce it in General Conference to be considered "Church" related.
CatsYou need to get out more, and maybe actually talk and listen to
people who have left the church. Then you would see very clearly that there are
many who are very very happy after they leave. Either that or they or all liars
when they say they are happy, and that is doubtful. Sad that you think that the
over %99 of the planet who isn't mormon aren't happy. Perplexing.
I make no judgments on Mr. Walker, and offer my sincere condolences to his
family. I just don't like to see a former or less-active member of the
Church held up as a shining example. I have no doubt he was a good man, based on
what I read in this article about his charity work, and the importance he placed
on fatherhood. But there are many fine examples of active LDS men and women, and
I think they should be highlighted.
The gospel is flawless. "The Church" or any church isn't. Being in
the LDS faith makes me better and makes me want to be better. A church/religion
is like railroad tracks. For the most part, they go where they go and if you
want to deviate to another place, you can't expect the railroad company to
instantly make new tracks to that place just because you want it. They can build
new tracks, but that takes time (e.g., Declaration I and II). So, if you're
wanting the LDS faith to go everywhere to suit your needs (i.e., insert
Priesthood for women or gay marriage, 90-minute block, or ) then you know it
isn't going to happen for some time, at least not quickly and maybe even
ever. Yet, for many the Church benefits their lives. Paul Walker was on his own
tracks, many others are as well. I don't begrudge them their rails or their
path. I will, however, always want to declare to others so that they know that
"our" train is open to all and that I feel blessed everyday that I get
to be on the LDS rails.
Can I just point out something important without trying to offend? It
doesn't sound very good when you refer to people as active or inactive and
telling us he is still Christian! You may not see it like others do! People
shouldn't be judged that much based upon how many times they go to Church.
My experience has caused me pain for almost thirty years. Somebody , I never
asked, started talking about me being gay! I was far from being out at that
time! It didn't matter. It was too late. Mormons don't realize how
much they judge. After that people would judge me. It is hard to explain. If I
said anything about God, they just wouldn't respond. It is almost like they
took my beliefs and threw them out! I have had people get defensive as if I am
an enemy! There are no words ever that could tell any of you how much it hurts
and the pain I have had for years! I never seen myself in that way. So, it
bothers me when someone so easily decides where a person stands! It was just
something that stood out to me.
You know, I read a few more comments and I just need to say something. Some of
you people are among the most arrogant people on Earth! You even go so far as to
judge another member based on stupidity! Who do people think they are? Our
beliefs in God are among the most important things we possess! My friends did
that to me! Because I am gay, you all assume whatever you want to! Oh! I
don't think any other thing has hurt worse than this! I use to try, with my
family and others, to talk about spiritual things. They don't mean to do
it, but they judge the value of my beliefs as being very low! I was operated on
and almost died. I wanted to talk , and I wanted it so bad I realized that I had
a co worker(Mormon) backed into a corner and I made her listen! I know I
can't be a member! I still have faith in God and in myself! It hurts. I
Don't see myself like others do. Mormons judge! Who are you to judge so
Amazing, someone says LDS and the claws comes out. Hey I know our region is
dominated by LDS and all, but I'd prefer to take the Confederate southern
side. Paul was a great person. Worked with him in all three Fast And Furious
gigs, and hey I once was LDS and left, the church. Not because of show business,
but because of the bigoted views some had with me in me being of the deep South.
The Church became a argument or at least a fight every time I went to church.
I'm now with The River Fellowship here in my area, and am working on my
theology degree, so I can create a church, of truth.
Atheists don't understand believers, either. When I die, please don't
refer to me as Mormon-raised.
to AZkid & KellyWSmith (page 1)...Maybe, once you step outside
the bubble, you realize how silly life inside is?To Dennis & A
Scientist (also pg 1)...Don't rule out Vanity/pride.
re: Cats Dec 3rdWhat the DN and/or the non secular entity associated
with it are doing is the exact same as what Access Hollywod, TMZ, E!, etc... do.
Simply, Ooooh; look at the "celebrity"
Cats claims "I have never known anyone who left the Church who was ever
happier no matter how much they try to convince themselves and everyone else
they are."You obviously don't know many. That
said, I am much less stressed & more at peace with myself and the world
since I eliminated a bunch of silly paradigms from my life.
Schwa: When they put me under once I fly my last flight, I hope and pray, that
they don't put LDS on my stone or anything with a Yankee title, I'm a
Confederate American, proud of it, and pray more will see. So was Paul. He
belonged to the Dixie Amalgamated Church, and was happy to meet with us on a
Filthy Kuffar"I suppose when your political affiliate accepts
things such as abortion and gay marriage, things your religous affiliate stand
firmly against, you should feel a little uncomfortable in church, airnaut.
Choose ye this day..."I always thought that church was a place
one could go with a broken heart & a contrite spirit to feel the
unconditional love of the savior, Jesus Christ, no matter your circumstances.
But as I have learned living here in Utah, from various people I have come into
contact with via family, wards I have attended & reading comments from
mormons like you on news feeds like these, the LDS church is a place you can go
if you want to feel the judgmental, condescending self loathing you may already
feel towards yourself mirrored back to you by all of your peers a million times
worse than you could ever project onto yourself. What ever happened to lifting
one another up? Is being a "good mormon" only about showing up every
sunday at church? Or is it about how you treat your fellow man on this earth?
And trying to lift others up when they are struggling instead of kicking them
while they are down?
Mikki,Excellent comment. Eloquent and Oh, so true!
"The Church" is not making any comments, the people are making
comments. remember that the Church is perfect but the members (active or not
active) are not. We are all trying to be better, and more like Christ. If
the Church were to give a message in this regard, the message would be the one
from Jesus Christ and He loves us unconditionally, forgives us and he does not
remember our sins if we repent. Love you all because all of you are trying to
convey something positive (your way). So, thank you for caring.
Fact is. He accepted Jesus has his savior, became a christian. Left the lds
church, probley because he didn't believe in it after finding what was
really true. He accepted Jeuse in his life. Jesus loves us,we repent and ammite
we our sinners. We live in the flesh our bodies our sin. We will never work are
way to being perfect. For we our saved by God's grace.