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The Carterization of the Obama presidency may be at hand

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    If you think the outcry is great over a few million Americans finding out they will NOT be able to keep the insurance plan they have... just wait till the corporate-mandate hits.

    The Administration could see corporate-mandate was going to not only end the current insurance for a few million Americans who get their insurance on their own, but would end insurance for TENS of MILLIONS of Americans, and would be a total nightmare for Democrat's popularity.... so they had to delay it till after the next election.

    Just wait till the Americans who get their insurance through their employers find out the plans they had are required by law to be cancelled... and they are replaced with much more expensive policies (I guarantee employers will be offloading these expenses by deducting from employee paychecks).

    A per-employee increase like this is not something companies can absorb without cutting other expenses (meaning employee salaries).

    Many of ObamaCare's regulations don't even take affect until AFTER he leaves Washington. Why is that?

    Is it so there can be no blow-back to HIS administration... and whoever follows him will have to handle all the flack it causes?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    He took out Bin Laden.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Too bad he can't give the Panama Canal away to a country run by drug dealers and terrorists (like Carter did). I guess he could give the Suez Canal to Hamas... that would be about the same thing.

    I really hope he doesn't botch this and end up disarming America (as he promised to do right after he was elected (remember the speech in Germany). And end up giving Nukes to North Korea, Iran, Hamas, etc, while disarming America at the same time. That would be just perfect.

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    @2 bits - I think you're commenting on the wrong article...

    @one vote - If you think Obama deserves all the credit for killing bin Laden, then you're seriously misguided...

  • Ltrain St. George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Thank goodness!!!!

    You meant to say. The military, after years of tracking Bin Laden down,finally, and with help of water boarding, found him holed up in Pakistan. They had to drag the golfer in chief off of the course so he could be there in time for the photo op.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 26, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    The Navy Seals took out bin Laden whom they located by following policies GWB implemented!

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    one vote good information has it that he couldn't pull trigger on Bin Laden and Valerie Jarrett made the call.JFYI the U.S.Navy Seals took out Bin Laden and Obama did the victory lap.

    This is a real fiasco. Obama can't trust the Iranians and they can't trust Obama. It's a situation where its I tell a lie then he tells a lie. The world doesn't trust Iran and it doesn't trust Obama. I wonder why? Other Presidents have had the red phone to deal with Russia. After the Syria debacle Putin just text's our dear leader and says here Kitty Kitty.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    Compared to Obama, Carter was the model of effectiveness, efficiency and love of country.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    Obama is nothing like Carter. Carter may not have been tremendously competent, but he was honest and generally well-intentioned.

    I'd take just about prominent politician of the 20th century over our present Dear Leader in a heartbeat.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    "...53 percent of Americans surveyed are telling pollsters they don't think Obama is honest or trustworthy...".

    Not good.

    But wait...

    86% of Americans are telling the same pollsters Schram cited that they don't think Congress is honest or trustworthy.

    Meanwhile, may we also discover whether Congress can possibly regain the competence we once thought they had. And whether they can re-earn our trust.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 26, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    Nothing like good news to make people hate even more.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    Six months from now, when the ACA website is fixed and Obamacare is doing great, we'll see what this guy says.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 26, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    Interesting article on the recent deal with Iran and what the future may hold – which so far is a diplomatic & foreign policy success just like the chemical weapons deal in Syria and the virtually bloodless regime change in Libya - but what does it have to do with the complete non-sequitur article title?

    And when you start making claims about a president’s legacy while he still has three years in office remaining, you’re either in the business of making predictions (a foolish enterprise) or you’re engaged in propaganda.

    So what ever happened to reporting and analysis?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 26, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    2bits, just why will employers be forced to drop their employees health care coverage?

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    @pragmatistferlife

    Simply put, the provisions in Obamacare mandate that companies with 50 or more workers face a fine of as much as $3,000 per employee if they don’t offer affordable insurance. It doesn't matter whether employees are happy with their current employer provided health insurance (and its cost); if it doesn't meet the specifications provided in Obamacare, it will be deemed as not complying with ACA, and the company will be fined.

    Sadly, we've already seen the misery that the "individual mandate" has inflicted upon millions of Americans. Just wait until the employer mandate kicks in. It will be cheaper for the employer to simply not provide coverage, and let their employers go to the wonderful government exchanges.

    I'm sure many will be quick to judge the employers for their "cold-hearted greed" in not wanting to provide their employees with health insurance, but lets not forget, these employers were providing truly affordable and high quality health insurance already. It is Obama who is forcing these employees into low quality, higher cost health plans.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    This opinion piece and other "the sky is falling" pieces are ludicrous. I am weary of the media "insiders" and their speculation. Just a note, Obama's lowest numbers have never reached the low numbers of Bush. But polls are near worthless now because of media manipulation, which is in turn manipulated by special interest groups. The whole state of journalism is a sorry affair. Journalism is dead.

  • Ltrain St. George, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    Comic Relief

    "Six months from now, when the ACA website is fixed and Obamacare is doing great, we'll see what this guy says."

    And pigs will be flying in the skies. The only way that anyone will think that is if this corrupt group finds more money to pay organizations to write fiction about Obamacare's success.

    The congressional approval is a very misleading number. Dems hate congress because of the house. Repubs hate congress because of the Senate. Get it? Conservatives dislike both because we are stuck with guys like Harry Reid, McCain, Hatch, Pelosi, Boehner etc....

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    "And when you start making claims about a president’s legacy while he still has three years in office remaining"

    I realize liverals would like us all to forget the last 5 disastrous years of the Obama regime, the lies, the bad economy he claims is good, refusal to negotiate across the aisle, the trumped up unemployment numbers, fast and furious, Benghazi-caused by a video, the divisiveness, the effort to attack Syria that Putin had to avert, etc etc, but all those things are part of the legacy. Even if the last 3 years were stellar (as unlikely as Iran stopping their Nuclear Bomb program) the last 5 years do exist, are in the history books, and are part of his legacy.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 27, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    Sven, come on, if a company is providing health care it's a 99.999% chance that it meets the lowly standards of the ACA. Individuals who chose to forgo specific benefits are the ones who's policies don't meet the standards. If I'm providing benefits for 50+ people (and well over 80% of businesses have 200+ employees) it will have to have maternity, it will have to protect against pre-existing conditions, it will have to have some psychological benefits. You may differentiate by how many people the policy covers, but it will meet ACA standards.

    Now you may have companies who's existing plans are more expensive than what the same plan will be on the exchanges who will opt to have their employees go to the exchanges and still pay the premium differential they currently do, but that's a good thing.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Ltrain says:

    "...and with help of water boarding, ..."

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    Torture is a war-crime.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    re: 2 bits

    "Too bad he can't give the Panama Canal away to a country run by drug dealers and terrorists (like Carter did). I guess he could give the Suez Canal to Hamas... that would be about the same thing."

    re: Mountanman

    "The Navy Seals took out bin Laden whom they located by following policies GWB implemented!"

    3 thoughts... 1) The Muslim Brotherhood is calling the shots in Egypt, 2) There may not have been the need to take out OBL if W & Dick had a clue about foreign policy, & 3) Like Noriega, OBL was useful at one point.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    @pragmatistferlife said:

    "Now you may have companies who's existing plans are more expensive than what the same plan will be on the exchanges who will opt to have their employees go to the exchanges and still pay the premium differential they currently do, but that's a good thing."

    Hmmm, it's such a good thing, Obama, by dictate, put the employer mandate off until after the 2014 elections. Nope, nothing to see here...just move along. And we thought the individual mandates were devastating; just wait until the employer mandate kicks in. No wonder they put it off until after elections

    Obama lied about Americans being able to keep their current health plans if they liked them; he lied about Americans being able to keep their physicians if they liked them; he lied about the costs of this monstrosity; he's lied about everything dealing with HIS signature Obamacare.

    Sadly, folks like you will never turn on your messiah...even when he lies to your face. Obama and the Dems own this mess.

  • 4word thinker Murray, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    If he could be Carterized enough to be honest, and love his country, and his countrymen, that would be an amazing improvement.

    But his policies would still be severely misguided.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    @Esquire

    It's amazing that Leftist/Progressives just can't come to grips that Bush hasn't been the Chief Executive for 5 years.

    It's also rich watching progressives complain about the State-run media manipulating Obama's dismal approval numbers. I mean, Obama's sinking approval numbers just couldn't be because of HIS policies now could it? No, it must be the media manipulating his numbers. Using your logic, we could also say the media cooked Bush's numbers too...right?

    You are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with Obama at the WH...right? If Bush tried this crap, you'd be screaming bloody murder. Media manipulation. Pfft.

    BTW, for the millions who lost their health coverage under the "individual mandate" provision in Obamacare, the sky really did fall for them.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    E. Sam: You are right. In six months, conservatives like me will be eating crow if Obamacare is running very smoothly and everyone is happy with our new socialized healthcare system.

    Unfortunately for America, the chance of that happening is about the same as balancing the budget, paying off the national debt, getting unemployment back down to 5%, or having all the other countries of the world like us. I, for one, won't be sharpening my crow-eating utensils in anticipation of the miracle you describe.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Sven said:

    "You are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with Obama..."

    Should have read:

    "You are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with the media..."

    Need more coffee!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    pragmatistferlife,
    Re: "just why will employers be forced to drop their employees health care coverage?"...

    Because many current plans don't comply with all of the ACA regulations. Most policies will need to be changed (and not for the cheaper).

    I didn't say they would DROP their employees health care coverage. I said the plans they currently have would be canceled (they must be cancelled because it's the law... they don't comply with ACA regulations). And the replacement policy rates will probably not be lower (unless there's an Obama-miracle before then).

    Maybe he will just pass a law (on his own, without Congress) mandating that insurance companies can't charge more for the new policies and new coverages than they did for the old policies.

    You never know... he's done it before.

    ---

    SOME people are going to lose their company provided insurance all together (by having their work hours reduced). But that wasn't what I was getting at in my comment. We already KNOW many existing corporate policies aren't ACA compliant... and will be cancelled. Most of them will be replaced with new (possibly better) policies, but with higher premiums.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Re: "Six months from now, when the ACA website is fixed and Obamacare is doing great, we'll see what this guy says"...

    But what if after six months or six years, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, are bankrupt? And ObamaCare is blamed for letting or making it happen?

    Then what would happen to his popularity?

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    It could go either way. We all know these programs are going bankrupt. The only question is under WHO's administration will they go bankrupt.

    Each administration just kicks the can to the next administration to deal with this painful issue. Sooner or later one administration's going to have to actually deal with it and not just pretend it's not a real problem. I don't get the feeling it's going to be Obama.

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    I lived through the Carter years, and Obama is nothing compared to the misery America had during the Carter years. Obama is definitely better than Carter. At least Obama got a second term to see if he could actually deliver on any of the promises he made in his original campaign. The lofty promises that won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 27, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    @2 bits – “I lived through the Carter years, and Obama is nothing compared to the misery America had during the Carter years. Obama is definitely better than Carter.”

    I don’t mind when people express different political views than mine – in fact it’s one the reasons I comment here. Further, I think the country would be a disaster under one party (and opinion) rule without the constant feedback of hard questions from those who see things differently.

    What I do mind and will call people out on at every opportunity – another reason for commenting here – is people who have no perspective, misstate facts, misrepresent history, and consistently demonstrate poor logic & reasoning skills (often purposefully).

    I’ve disagreed with many of your conclusions but generally appreciate your arguments. After so many comments expressing totally out-of-proportion Obama hatred, thank you for representing the “other side” (if we can be so easily labelled) with some much needed perspective.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Esquire,

    Conservatives have had to deal with the liberal media for decades. This liberal media bias undoubtedly influences the poorly informed voters and influences elections.

    So now you see a report that you don't like. Perhaps its too honest? Too close to the truth? So you complain about it.

    Welcome to the conservative world.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    Liberal or conservative, my friends, it does not matter. Journalism is dead. I stand by my comments.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Carter was honest, naive and ultimately incompetent. Obama relies on slick rhetoric and "improper promises," as the NYT called them, to cover up his incompetence. Honesty is a more difficult judgment, but at this point it doesn't look good.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Torture is a war crime, but Mr. Obama readily used the information from water boarding to help locate bin Laden. In legal terms, that information was tainted because of its origin and someone against such tactics would have ignored it. Actually, Mr. Obama let it happen, he didn't make it happen. It's ironic that the president blames Bush for all the country's ill, but refuses to give Bush credit for setting in motion the process of finding bin Laden.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    The economy turning, Iran take care of, what will tea party scream about?

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Dec. 1, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Conservatives have NO credibility to complain with. If it's not the website, it's Benghazi or a birth certificate or whatever will be next. That's the same as saying someone is dishonest BTW.

    We know you are going to complain and wail no matter what he does even when he implements the Republican's own Romneycare plan or has the same policies as the last president. No WONDER divorce rates are HIGHER in conservative states!

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Dec. 1, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Bush lied and a million people died.

    Obama lied and insurance policies died to make room for better ones.