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George F. Will: Are we witnessing how a presidency unravels?

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  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    There is a psychological study called "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments" by Justin Kruger and David Dunning. It should be required reading for anyone interested in how this presidency went off the rails.

    One of their observations:

    "...[P]eople who are unskilled...suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it."

    Barack Obama simply doesn't know what he doesn't know. He's been told by so many people that he's the smartest guy in the room, he has come to believe it. Somehow he came to believe he was capable of directing the nation's health care system, of which he has made a shambles.

    He can either accept humbly that he has botched everything, or he can continue lying his way through. Past behavior indicates he will tell more lies. He will be the last to know that his credibility is gone.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    "Obama is like someone who burns down your house. Then shows up with an empty water bucket. Then lectures you about how defective the house was."
    The most accurate definition of Obamacare ever given! Priceless!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Can we just re-name this guy George "Shill"?

    When Obama lied, people cried,
    When Bush lied, people died.

    ...and I'm still waiting for GW Bush's apologies.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    The Obama legacy will be positive in spite of the nattering nabobs of negativism like George Will.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    We're out of Iraq, and getting out of Afghanistan.
    We didn't go to war with Syria.
    We're not going to war with Iran.
    The DJIA is at record levels.
    Corporate profits are at record levels.
    Healthcare inflation is at its lowest level in 50 years.
    The federal deficit is down sharply since just last year. (Yes, still a long way to go.)

    Thanks, George, for so reliably viewing our nation through the dark and blurry funhouse mirrors of hyper-conservatism.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Oh my gosh, these guys are going all out trying to make people believe this presidency is a failure. We'll I guess I can't blame them. But they will only have this one shot at it, and they are throwing all they have at it. Even this intellectually stunted attempt by Will. But it's not going to work. There is absolutely no way the ACA can be adequately judged in its first few weeks. Get back to me in a year. First of all this news cycle is going to disappear, no matter how much the desperate Republicans try to keep it a story, its already fading quickly. Second of all, the web site is going to be fixed, and after all the cooked up stories of how bad the regulations are for people become a distant memory, real people, that are actually being very well served by no caps and no precondition and the other good things in the ACA will rule the day, and history. The media might not be so interested in these people that are being helped right now, after all, negatively always makes a better story, but they are there.

  • Lehi'i Lehi, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    LDS Liberal:

    5 years later and liberals like you are still trying to defer and critique of Obama by raising one about Bush. What does Bush have to do with this current health care fiasco?

    Yes, Bush was terrible. Time to move on.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    Republican receipt:

    Gather as many false notions as possible, sprinkle generously with hate and stir as long as necessary.

    It worked in the war against workers unions, it will work in the war against President Obama and it’s going to work in the war against America.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    Romneycare had signed up less than 200 people it's first month but he'd totally make a good president. Obamacare signed up less than 200,000 people it's first month and it's a sign he's a failure (the US is not 1000x the population of Massachusetts, Obamacare did better than Romneycare by 7x after accounting for that). Romneycare had a slow start and then picked up and we're seeing signs of the same from Obamacare where some of the exchanges are reporting double the October enrollment in just the first half of November. Just give it some time.

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    Bebyebe,

    Great quote but I doubt many know where it is from.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    I'm getting wet from all the republican crying. He didn't take your guns nor activate the sleeper cells you were sure of. Why would anyone think you can predict the future? !

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    The ability of Obama's supporters to rationalize is beyond the pale. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    If we forget about the mistrusts like you can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor, you will save $2500.00 per family, I didn't know the website didn't work etc and completely ignore the website failures, we still have the simple fact that obamacare will not improve our healthcare at all. Obamacare makes things worse and costs us much more. This alone will damage Obama beyond repair.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    There are two types of people out there. There are doers.... and those that criticize the doers. I am not saying that what doers do is always right, but it is at least doing something. Mr. Will funnels he great skills not into building and improving, but to an intellectual quest of tearing those down who do.

    Rather than weekly focusing on what Obama is doing wrong, why not expend a portion of that effort on identifying those that are doing it right. But even that - for Mr. Will and many others - is too much to ask. Rather, they sit on the sidelines, criticizing those who actual work for the betterment of man.

    If we have the wrong leader, then either lead, or let us know who the right leader is.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Obama recently honored Bill Clinton with the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Bill Clinton is the personification of what is the matter with our country. He is proud and arrogant, dishonest, cruel, adulterer, liar, and the list goes on and on. The fact that Obama gave Clinton this award, cheapens the award and its significance. It shows that Obama is either a very poor judge of character or he just doesn't understand what real character in a man is. At any rate, the Presidential Medal of Freedom award is now meaningless.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    How do you keep your own doctor?

    After the Navy and having a different doctor in every port, I became hooked up with a general practice doctor.

    Ten years later we moved to Salt Lake City and found a new doctor.

    Two years later stopped going to that doctor because he wanted to do an unnecessary operation.

    New doctor was my same age and I thought I was fixed for life. Several years later he and his family went on a church mission to Switzerland.

    Found a new doctor only to lose him to the LDS hospital in a staff position.

    My next doctor lasted only a few years before taking a job at the Huntsman clinic.

    The next doctor closed his Salt Lake practice so that he could move to Park City where he would be closer to his HIV patients.

    At that point since I was eligible for veterans care I went to the George E. Wahllen VA hospital. I get a new main doctor every 18 or so months and a different doctor for each specialty.

    I probably could have kept the first doctor in SLC right up to the end of my life.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    JSB

    Yeh, It’s just like when Utah received the award for being the best business state in the United States.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    "...the personification of what is the matter with our country. He is proud and arrogant, dishonest, cruel, adulterer, liar, and the list goes on and on...".

    I totally agree.

    However, you forgot to mention that paragon of virtue and character Republican Newt Gingrich,
    one of the top 2012 Republican Candidates for President of The United States of America.

    No problem.

    Republican Newt Gingrich was all of the above and more.

    Exactly.

    Yet... Republican voters especially, in the conservative South, as well as Republican King-makers, all over America, fell all over themselves pushing Republican Newt Gingrichs' candidacy.

    The fact that Republicans pushed Republican Newt Gingrichs' candidacy, at all, shows they, as well, are a very poor judge of character or just don't understand what real character in a man is.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    No, his followers are mesmerized and will follow him like lemmings.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal

    You may have a long wait for George Bush's apology. A rejoinder to Will's article might be:

    George W. Bush is like the guy who sets your house on fire and then shows up with a bucket of gasoline to put out the flames. He then lectures you on how Private Enterprise could have burned your house down much quicker.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    To All: There once was a time when people took responsibility for their own lives, sacrificed for family, and spent their time and money taking care of those two. Not so today. 47 million on food stamps and welfare is too great a temptation for the crooks in Washington. Wars for Republicans and welfare for Democrats, and corporate-government agreements for both. In the meantime, our country declines economically, people are left in shanties and bordellos for their future 'growth and enjoyment", made happy by Democrats and Republican policies that destroy anything meaningful. Their supporters write columns and give "meaningful" responses to articles such as thisThe delusion and corruption continuesan unbeatable combination to enslave and make dependent and keep them all "happy" with bogu

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    "He is proud and arrogant, dishonest, cruel, adulterer, liar, and the list goes on and on. "

    For a crowd who adores the founding fathers, this phrase well describes a good number of them. It is rather ironic that this same crowd nearly deifies these founders, either seem to either know very little about them, or have the ability to selectively apply certain standards to people they like, and apply others to people they don't.

    Point is you don't have to be a person of supper high moral stature to have done something significant for their country. The two are not mutually exclusive of each other. Its this fairy tale disney like world that some live in that fail to recognize just about everyone here is human, but that doesn't stop them from sometimes achieving great things.

    If this standard were to be applied equitably... not many would pass the bar. Republican or Democrat.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    @Semi Lights "Great quote but I doubt many know where it is from."

    As I recall, it was used in an attempt to deflect criticism from the actions of a corrupt and inept politician.

    Not so different from today.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    "The place to begin understanding the unraveling of his presidency is page 274 of "The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama." The author, David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker, quotes Valerie Jarrett, perhaps Obama's closest and longest-serving adviser, on her hero's amazingness:"

    "He knows exactly how smart he is. ... I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually. ... He's been bored to death his whole life. He's just too talented to do what ordinary people do. He would never be satisfied with what ordinary people do."

    We finally find out what this dude is good at...He is very talented at thinking he's SMART! and that my friends is his qualifications to be the telepromter in chief...the dude is a great reader, period - but there is no evidence to suggest he has any clue of what he is reading

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    Mr. Will, ordinary people don't find Bin Laden and bring him justice. The Dow Jones is above 16,000, is this ordinary? Coming out of the recession in June of 2009, was that cool or what? The Dow was 6,500 then. Mr. Will lacks positive faith and it is Mr. Will who has lived in Washington DC his whole life and who doesn't do what ordinary people do. How many people write for a living?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    It's all ludicrous. Bush's numbers were even lower. Presidents go through ups and downs and then it passes. Unfortunately, the Republicans put party and whatever special interests they are serving ahead of the country in an unprecedented fashion in dealing with this President. Obama will get through the down period. In the end, he will be fine. The nation will be fine, unless the GOP wins the White House and does to us what they did the last time they were in power.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    Are we witnessing how a political party - which has existed since the mid 19th century finally takes itself into an extreme corner, denounces all cooperation with its opposition and chooses candidates for high office secretly tied to big business - unravels??

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    Two things about liberals, they most likely miss the point and they always have someone to blame. Take off the blinders and just see the facts, obamacare will damage the country for years to come.

  • tarbaby5 Herriman, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    As usual, George nails it and all the socialist/liberal Obama sycophants can do is attack Will personally and blame Bush. They would do well to listen, pause, think, and learn.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 5:22 a.m.

    To 4601 5:01 p.m. Nov. 24, 2013

    No, his followers are mesmerized and will follow him like lemmings.

    ---------------------

    Excellent comment about those who believe, and advocate for, Will.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Nov. 25, 2013 6:08 a.m.

    We have always been expected to just take it on faith that Barack Obama is super-human smart. Yet, unlike other presidents, he refuses to release his college transcripts and IQ scores. As the old Wendy's commercials used to ask: WHERE'S THE BEEF??? Obviously, this carefully crafted image is now unraveling (oh my is it ever). Even with a friendly news media propping him up, he is quickly becoming a national symbol of incompetence. This will be Barack Obama's legacy.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    Haters gonna hate.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Max - please, what were Reagan's college scores and his IQ test? Any of the Bush's do likewise. We know Bush II did horrible. Those grades were leaked without his permission. And you really want to compare Reagan's grades he got from Eureka College in Illinois, 1932. Really?

    What you are providing a perfect example of is a double standard. Where are the former presidents birth certificates? Where are their posted grades? Where are their IQ test? Where are Mitt Romney's?

    The point here, as one who voted for several Republicans, and have served on the election committees of several Republicans..... is none of them have ever been required to provide these items. So it begs the question why now? Is it a Democrat only requirement? A Black person only requirement? An Illinois only requirement?

    If those self proclaimed non-RINO conservatives really want to claim the higher moral ground here - they need to honestly answer these questions honestly. How are you morally justifying this higher bar?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Fast and furious is the beginning of the end of Obama, oh wait..

    Never has there been a disgrace like the IRS scandal, ahh just a minute..

    You were spying on reporters you need to be impe..hang on, what Benghazi..

    Ahhhhhhh you're evil, incompetent, far worse than Watergate...

    What a website doesn't work? Never in the history of America...

    I think I'm going to get me a bumper sticker like tarbaby5 (what a moniker)suggests that reads,
    liberal/socialist Obama sycophant, just to watch people's faces.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    In a casual reading of the posts, those who are on Obama's side have given no support for Obama: All they do is criticize Republicans, Conservatives and Bush. Where is their argument to support how ObamaCare was voted on? Where is their argument to defend Obama for NOT implementing ObamaCare? Where is their argument to justify the three-years and $600,000,000 spend on a defective website? Where is their argument to show that Obama has any clue of what the duties of the President of the United States require him to do?

    Yes, George Will is absolutely correct when he wrote: "Congressional Democrats are White House poodles." I would extend that statement to anyone who supports Obama without being able to Constitutionally defend Obama's actions.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    LDS Liberal

    You say When Obama lied people cried
    When Bush lied people died,

    I wonder if that is what the families of those killed in Bengazi are saying.

    If Bush lied he didn't blame it on a video like the dear leader did. Another empty bucket.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    @pragmatistferlife - Hey, I have another one for you.

    An administration was caught selling drugs to fund weapon sales to the Islamic Republic of Iran.... remember that? As a result, the following people were charged and most convicted (those not convicted were pardoned by Bush Sr.) Lets see if you recall any of these names. Caspar Weinberger, Elliott Abrams, Robert C. McFarlane, Alan D. Fiers, Richard R. Miller, Clair George, Richard Secord , Thomas G. Clines, Carl R. Channel, John Poindexter, Oliver North, Duane R. Clarridge, Albert Hakim, Joseph F. Fernandez. All indicted and charged with felonies.

    If that isn't enough, we can go on to the HUD price fixing and grant rigging scandles which resulted in 7 administration officials being convicted.

    Then there was the Savings and Loan crisis, Inslaw affair, Michael Deaver - Reagans Chief of Staff, convicted on lying to congress, The EPA scandal with the head of the EPA Rita Lavelle convicted of Perjury.

    We can go on and on.. but seems time heals all memories, doesn't it.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    I don't think it's unraveling... I think it's just re-grouping to make their legacy (as all administrations do in the last few years in office).

    All Presidents who got a second term in my lifetime have done it. The focus turns to trying to make their legacy.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Republicans lead the way with health care reform initiatives.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    ========

    The difference between you and me Mike?

    I'm an American.

    I'm not a Republican.
    I'm not a Democrat.
    I may disagree with decisions,
    but
    I do not wish the President, ANY President [even Bush] to fail - because then America fails.

    I do as the Prophets have asked, and I pray for our leaders.
    Do you?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    'What does Bush have to do with this current health care fiasco?'

    Bush sent our troops into Iraq.
    Bush sent our troops into Afghanistan.
    Bush signed the Patriot Act.
    Bush signed the Tax cuts for the 1%.
    National unemployment doubled under Bush.
    National debt, doubled under Bush.
    Katrina
    Waterboarding
    Finical Meltdown

    Today:

    400 filibusters in the Senate.
    82 filibustered justicies, 86 for every other US president in US history.
    Jobs bill, filibustered.
    No troops in Syria
    No troops in Libya
    Iran has agreed to no Nukes
    Dow over 16,000, a new record.

    I'll stop blaming Bush thing stop having his signature on it.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Pagan
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Great post.

    I find it ironic that when Obama took office, and the Dow was at a low -- it was all Obama's fault.

    Now that it has rebounded, and THEN some -- the GOP is silent about it.

    Thanks for making that point.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    @Nate:
    "Past behavior indicates he will tell more lies."

    You apparently don't fathom the centuries old methodologies of the religion of his ancestry and thus his fundamental mental underpinnings.

    That religion approves and authorizes lying where it will move one toward a particular goal. We see this phenomenon unfolding very nicely over the life of his political career.

    And what is the goal of said religion? As announced on many occasions, 'death to America and Americans.'

    @LDS Liberal:
    "...and I'm still waiting for GW Bush's apologies."

    I'm still waiting for apologies from Hilary Rodham Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry Harry Reid, Barbara Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, and other Democrats who voted for the 'Authorization to use Military Force Against Iraq' bill.

    @mark:
    "Oh my gosh, these guys are going all out trying to make people believe this presidency is a failure."

    Well, we know he is an abject liar.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    You gotta love when LDS Liberal gets on his religious soap-box. It always sounds so sincere, doesn't it? It's even better when he gets on his, "I'm an American", soap-box (insinuating that if you criticize Obama you are un-American).

    I saw these same type of posts coming from the more rabid wide-eyed Bush supporters back when he was President too... so I understand where it's coming from. But I seem to remember many people like Pagan saying it was their "DUTY" as an Americans to question and even criticize President Bush. Somehow when the party moniker changes... the shoe instantly switches to the other foot in discussions like this.

    The Presidency isn't unraveling. And just because some people question the great Obama doesn't mean they are "Un-American".

    It was GOOD to question and even criticize Bush and some of his decisions... and it's also a needed thing to question and sometimes even criticize the great Obama.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    2 bit
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    I didn't vote for Obama.
    But he's still my POTUS.

    Truth be told,
    I voted Republican last election.

    I voted for Jon M. Huntsman Jr.

    Becasue I'm an American.
    Not an R or a D.

    BTW - I'm also Liberal BECAUSE I'm a Mormon.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    Utah Blue Devil,

    I am merely wondering how in the world this super-smart image began. Transcripts are not required (and I didn't say a word about birth certificates, lol) but many other presidents release them but Obama will not. Classmates have said that Obama was a very average student. That is all we know. And now after five years as president we STILL have no evidence that would indicate that his intelligence is above average. In fact, what we have seen so far would suggest just the opposite. Again, how in the world did this notion of mega intelligence come about? Just curious.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    To "atl134" your numbers are WAY off. The truth is that using the Federal Government web site, less than 27,000 people actually signed up for health insurance using the Federal Government site. Many people created accounts on the web site, but few actually got insurance. Read "Almost 27,000 selected insurance via HealthCare.gov" at USA today to get the actual numbers.

    To "UtahBlueDevil" what is Obama doing right? He has gone from one scandal to another while pumping up the federal debt faster than any president before him.

    To "Henry Drummond" you are wrong about Bush. He would have done the same thing as Obama, it would have only taken him another 10 minutes to get there. Obama is nothing more than Bush on steroids.

    To "Pagan" and what has Obama done? He took us into Libya, Egypt, sent arms to Syria, sent troops to Africa. Sent a surge of troops to Afghanistan. Obama made the worst parts of the Patriot act permanent, reauthorized the Bush tax cuts. Under Obama the labor participation rate is the lowest in over 30 years, true unemployment is still above 15%. We are still have not recovered from the Recession.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    @Max Charlotte, NC:
    "Transcripts are not required (and I didn't say a word about birth certificates, lol) but many other presidents release them but Obama will not."

    We will never see these documents (at least as long as he's in the White House) because they will likely show he registered as a student at Occidental and Columbia as (gasp) foreign student Barry Soetoro.

    "And now after five years as president we STILL have no evidence that would indicate that his intelligence is above average."

    His (admitted) illegal drug usage in school probably contributed to that.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    When did Bush lie?

    Oh, you mean he lied about WMDs in Iraq, just like the UN Security Council, Tony Blair, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and a host of others that supported fervently the war in Iraq?

    Obama lied about getting us out of Afghanistan and people are still dying.

    There is as much blood on the hands of Barry as there are on GW. How many hundreds of thousands have lost their jobs directly because of the economic polices of BHO?

    How many will now die because of ObamaCare as they no longer have health insurance?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    Contrary to what all you libs think, George Will is collectively the smartest person in the building. Way smarter than all of you put together. He's even smarter than me.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    At 8:52, you wrote,

    "When Obama lied, people cried,
    When Bush lied, people died."

    You work for the defense department. After you resign you job, people might believe your postings. Until then, it seems that money is more important than political rhetoric.

    As others have stated, when the Benghazi "situation" was unfolding, Obama was playing cards with some of his Secret Service people. He was not concerned about people who were targeted. He ignored the Seal who had "painted" the target, who could have saved those who were to die, had Obama put down his cards and acted, just for a minute, like the "Commander In Chief", whose job it was to protect Americans who are residing on American soil in foreign lands. Instead, he told us that a "movie" had caused that problem, he jailed the "movie maker" and then he pretended, against all evidence, that we had not been attacked on the anniversary of 9/11.

    After you change jobs, maybe then you'll have a soap-box to stand on. Until then, you take money from the military whose job it is to use deadly force.

    Obama's Presidency is a farce.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    mohokat..You say When Obama lied people cried
    When Bush lied people died,

    I wonder if that is what the families of those killed in Bengazi are saying.

    If Bush lied he didn't blame it on a video like the dear leader did. Another empty bucket

    So what did the families say of the 52..yes 52 people including one ambassador that were killed in embassy and consulate attacks under Bush. No one is "blaming Bush" as your next retort is likely to say. What I am saying is one consulate attack and four dead under Obama. 13 attacks (one with a weeks notice...yea notice)and 52 killed under Bush.

    Your ire and sad poetry is hollow and hypocritical.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    The Iraq war and economic collapse is hard to replicate.

  • ronk-sandy SANDY, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    I've read many of the comments here about Will's article. I support Will on his conclusions and want to remind everyone that not only is Pres. Obama incompetent on the health care matter but also with most domestic issues and even more so on foreign policy matters. Someone earlier said the even though Bush lied, it caused death, what about Obama's mistakes! Obamacare will cause lots of pain and suffering when people can't get good health care. In addition, the President's poor record on the economy will also cause people to suffer as they will not be able to work good jobs where they will be covered by health insurance. Last the President is not helping with race relations, but has soured them with his comments, does this not also cause pain?

  • zcott North Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    America voted in BHO. Now you got him. Enjoy him. Come what may and LOVE him. America: you're now getting what you asked for, what you begged for. I don't recognize my country anymore. Merry Christmas! (if that's still legal to say).