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  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Two words: pass rush. That's the difference in the game. This is the worst division 1 team we have played all season.

    Utes win. End of story.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    Nothing is a lock for Utah, they could easily lose the rest of the year, but hey at least their in the Pac 12 right?
    I mean a 4 win year is terrible by most standards, but because Utah is in the Pac 12, they really should be given a lot of leeway. Really we should just double the win count to 8 because of the tough schedule.
    Utah is a Pac 12 Member! YAAY!!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    After the toughest schedule in the country so far, playing wsu and Colorado will be just what the doctor ordered. I just don't see us losing either one. We are the better team. Play our game, and we win. Go utes!

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    Ken - Are you related to Chris B?

    Love your confidence but . . . Utah has lost all of theirs. Their season is over.

    I'm looking forward to Utes basketball myself.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    Bad start. But I'm not too worried. Remember last time we won in overtime with a huge field goal here in Pullman? Maybe our skiing kicker will win it this time. However it may happen, utes win

    Mark that down!

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Not to worry Chris there is still three and a half quarters to make up the 3 touchdown deficit.

    Looking past Wazzu for the RIVALRY game against Colorado and the coveted Cellar Trophy that goes to the loser.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Yeah! Looking good, U! I'm sure you've got it in you. Chris said so, so this one is a lock! Lolz...

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    Well, this will be a comeback of the ages. I still have faith. Come on guys, we are better than this!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    Ken

    " I just don't see us losing either one."

    LOL!

    21-0 WSU after only 10 mins

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    Touchdown! That's more like it. No need to panic, plenty of time.

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    "After the toughest schedule in the country so far, playing wsu and Colorado will be just what the doctor ordered."

    If the doctor ordered a 21 to 0 deficit in the first quarter...

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Ken, Utah down 21-0, end of who's story? Is Washington State really that bad?
    Whats happening Utah?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    @Ken might wanna rethink that Ken lol

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    We're fine. Everyone just calm down, we'll pull this out.

    Utes 34
    WSU 30

    Utes WILL go bowling.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Kenny
    I know you can't watch he utes, sorry, swoops on tv but look at the score on this site. Mark it down

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    Great defensive stop! Lets pull this to 7. Guys are FIGHTING out there.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    21-14

    LOL

    Washington State is BAD!

    0% chance we lose this, one, even starting down 21-0.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    Normally going down 21-0 I'd say game over, But its Washington state. Like I said before the game started: "Utes win. End of story"

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Told ya!

    I GUARANTEED Utah wins this game.

    For those who doubted, get your crow ready.

    Utes WILL win. Utes WILL beat our rival Colorado. Utes WILL go bowling.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    Another HUGE ute stop deep in our territory.

    Defense playing like BEASTS. Reilly has established himself as the best linebacker in the state. This defense is a top 20 defense in the nation. As long as Shulz stops giving them points we'll win the game.

    And I'm confident we will.

    They can't score on our defense. Only on our offense.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    Touchdown!

    Utes just down 9.

    We've got this. I still say there is NO WAY we lose this game.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Good call, Ken.

    I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the Whittingham era. If he wants to save his job Finn, Hill, Roderick, and Shah need to be let go. The O-line is awful. The kick return and kick coverage teams are embarrassing. Receivers run terrible routes, continually drop balls, and in Norwood's case, bat the ball as high as possible into the air, and the secondary is as bad as I can remember. Nobody can read the QB, or even locate the ball while it's in the air. I had higher hopes for the Utes, but it is obvious that this team will be stuck in mediocrity until something changes.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    Utes getting dominated by the Wazoo at the half.

    btw,

    What's the point of having a game blog if the DN isn't going to post any comments?

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    We've got ALL the momentum.

    Don't throw pick 6's and we win. Its that simple.

    And we ARE going to win.

    I've been wrong before, but not today. I just don't see this defense letting us down.

    Go UTES

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    That missed PAT will be HUGE I think.

    Being up "only" 13 is a dangerous position.

    Come on utes, ONWARD and UPWARD. Lets get to that bowl.

  • md Cache, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    Ken.....Where are you Ken?

    The Utes are the worst in the Pac12, MWC and WAC.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    @Chris B,
    They are still losing haahhahahah, you act like they are winning and the game is over

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    Thought this was a top 10 defense?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    Score differentials of both Utah and BYU games almost mirroring each other once Utah stopped throwing picks. If that's what it will take for Utah to pull this one out, then I'll say it: Go BYU! Go Utes!

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    Is there anywhere to watch this game? I keep turning the channels and all I can find is BYU/ ND or Ore/Az.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    @ImaUTE,

    Of ye of little faith. Utah coming back strong. How are you going to look when you gave up on our team and we come back and WIN?

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    @md - I'm right here. Where will you be after Utah pulls off the comeback? Still think we'll pull this game out.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    Sorry died in the wool Ute fan but this program has imploded. Every aspect is at least sub par if not worse than season beginning.

    It only gets worse next year. Time to cut our loses. Maybe 4 and 8 with a 3 and 1 start will be the impetus.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    Down to a 6 point game. Where are all the doubters NOW? Utes going to win this baby. Ya!

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    1 possession game. Get the CROW ready.

    BOTH cougars going down.

    Perfect day of football!

    Utes win
    byu loses

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    The score got close for a while but the mighty Wazzu Cougars had too many weapons for Ute defense. But there is still the fourth quarter.

    We are talking about Washington State and not Oregon right? The same WSU that was a lock when the schedule was announced before the season began!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    Joe Schmoe
    Watch it on VIPbox or firstrow sports

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Murphy 64 yard TD

    Utes are GOING to win.

    Chris B was right

    Chris B was right

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Naysers(both utes and cougars) looking bad right now.

    Utes going to win!

    Notre Dame going to win!

    HUGE 64 yard TD.

    Play of the game.

    Scratch that, play of the YEAR

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    That WSU missed PAT is going to be the difference. Being up by only 6 is dangerous.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    @md - I'm still here. Where did you go? Getting your crow ready I presume? I'll remind you what I said:

    Utes win. End of story.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    mindgames, bandofhedgehog, jakarus - A lot of silence right now from you guys huh? You silence is DEAFENING. Utes about to win. Never lost hope!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    Well BYU didn't end up coming back, so there went that theory. But let's go, Utes!!

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    byu just lost!

    And Utah about to win

    Cougars lose TWICE!

    Did you guys Mark it down like I said?

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    Sad day for Utah AND BYU...

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    I'll be home for Christmas...

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Props to the U for never giving up tonight. Tough to see them not making a bowl again. They'll get better and should go bowling next year. I am excited to see Connor Manning or Brandon Cox next year. They should take the U back to a bowl game.

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    Fire Sitake, rush more than three and you smoke this team. Have somewhat of an idea how to compensate for their poor running game. This loss was on the coaching staff. This was a very tough loss to swallow. Chris Petterson has already bought a home in Salt Lake.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    Tough day for both BYU and Utah.

    That said, I would much prefer scenario A over scenario B:

    A) Lose by 10 to a well-regarded 7-3 opponent
    B) Lose by 12 to a mediocre 5-5 opponent and become officially ineligible for a bowl

    Then again, I'm sure there are some who will say it is better to be the latter team whose loss came in obscurity as opposed to the first who lost with a national audience. That's about the only positive spin I can imagine for Team B at this point.

  • UTE88 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Ken is Chris B. Embarrassing to true Utes.

  • WestFBking Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    With the invite to the PAC 12, the Ites are taking the same path as their once prominent basketball program. Utah is to the PAC 12 what UTEP was to the WAC of the 70s and 80s.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    2 losses on the day for us it seems. Sigh

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    @ Chris B, Christopher B, Ken, etc.:

    I'd really to hear more about that rock solid absolute guarantee you made to the DN public multiple times. And perhaps a bit more about all of that "mark it down" stuff.

    You've now lost the rest of what little credibility you had left.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    Rough day for both BYU and Utah. Hopefully the Utes can finish the season on a high note against Colorado, and hopefully BYU uses the next week to prepare for Nevada and their bowl opponent.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    I understand Whitt's a defensive minded coach, but I thought the decision to punt on 4th and 3 with under six minutes left was what sealed the game. Halliday was just in too much of a rhythm. Very disappointing result to add to a disappointing season, but I'm happy for Mike Leach. Met him once in SLC and he is every bit as odd of a character as he comes across as publicly, but still a really good guy and brilliant coach.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    Tough day for both BYU and Utah today, but from reading the first three pages of comments here, one would think that that Utah won. .

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    Ken

    Sandy, UT

    "mindgames, bandofhedgehog, jakarus - A lot of silence right now from you guys huh? You silence is DEAFENING. Utes about to win. Never lost hope!"

    My silence was in respect for the valiant effort by the Utes to come back and not wanting to do the "You should have seen that coming" remarks. But you dragged it out of me.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    Hey Utes, The players had a nice little come back. To bad the defensive effort has gone South for the winter... Wish them well next week.

    The fans are going to have to be patient for the next 5-10 years. Most people knew that the move to the PAC was going to be very painful over the short-term. Realistically, in the next year or two, the move will probably cost an outstanding coach and an OK athletic director their jobs because of the fan's impatience. It would be sad to see the Utes lose their coach, the team's will only get worse. There are very few coaches of his caliber.

    I guess this is the cost of doing business in college sports.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    Ken - what was it you said?

    Oh yeah.. " Utes win. End of story. "

    Well you got it half right.

    Better luck next year. See you for Christmas

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    I am sorry the Utes loss. I was pulling for you. Would any of you like to ride to San Francisco with me?

  • EatYourWords Lehi, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    How does that Crow taste, Chris B.? Now you can enjoy your Thanksgiving and Christmas crow as well while you and your (once mighty)Utes sit at home watching other teams play their bowl games.

    Here is a useful definition: "Bowl Game" - Any of the post-season games played in the NCAA by teams with winning records. Teams must win a minimum of six games during the season to qualify for an invitation.

    Please note: The above statement reads "six games in a season" not total since joining the Pac 11&1/2.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    There sure are some funny posts on this news article. Quite entertaining. Thank you Chris B (and all your AKA's). You're guys banter is priceless. Good luck next year, Utes, you're going to need all the help you can get.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    With all the guarantees, mark-it-down comments, and something about eating crow, I'm glad I'm not living in that immature stage of life. The only guarantee now is the fact that only two teams from Utah will be in bowl games this year, yet again.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    BYU looses
    Utah Looses
    Southern Utah Looses
    Weber State Wins!
    Utah State Wins!

    Pretty even day for the State of Utah.

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    Mighty big talk from a team that lost to lowly Utah, AND also lost today.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    My goodness, another heart breaker. The Utes are always competitive. Next year they will get some of these.

  • Rez Road Shiprock, NM
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    According to "md" the Utes are the worst in the PAC 12, MWC and WAC.
    Indeed the 2013 season has been painful for this Ute fan. Not much consolation in beating a mid-major independent, a MWC team, and a decent PAC 12 team.

    I still feel hope for the coming years. I think it is a huge transition from the MWC to a BCS conference. The next 2-3 seasons will clearly show where Utah is at. PAC 12 membership is tremendous, but brutal. I imagine any team / school from the MWC or the WAC would jump on an invitation to join. Perhaps even some independent team would have accepted an invitation had it been extended.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    @TanMan_101. But they (BYU) will be playing in a bowl this year. Again.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    No interest in the Utes at all, but certainly nice to see Chris B hang out there like a big enchilada. Next year for him I gues (mark it down). Meanwhile my ASU Sun Devils are halfway through a great game with UCLA. Welcome to the Pac 12 Utah!

  • COS Littleton, CO
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    The DNews just rejected my comment for saying the Utes now don't have to worry about a bowl not inviting them even if they were bowl eligible. (A very possible scenario.) They said it was off topic or disruptive. There own headline says "Utes miss bowl season for second straight year". How is my comment any more off topic or disruptive than the DNews headline? But they accept multiple comments about BYU on an article about Utah football.
    How is ChristopherB's comment "byu game over. 13 points Was that your go fast go hard offense?
    LOL" not off topic or disruptive?

  • Champ72 logan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    Man I was pulling for the U. It would be nice if all Utah teams went bowling in the same year. It helps out with recruiting and national exposure to some great universities and football. Oh well that's life

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    Chin up Chrissy. Your basketball team beat up on another JV squad tonight. That makes Ute sports a wash today, right?

  • agb Layton, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    StGtoSLC makes good points about Whitt, the 4th&3, etc.

    And it looks like Ken's having 'crow-duck-en' for Thanksgiving.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    Funny comments in the comment post during this game. Suggestion: Make comments at the end of the game when the score is final! Then you won't look so ridiculous!

    Utah went from the top of the heap (MWC) to the bottom (PAC12).

    Oh, but I forgot....they are IN the PAC12, and that's ALL that counts! LOL

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    Didn't get to see a second of the game today, just came here to read the article. I see in a BYU-fan catering publication, this article has twice the comments as the article about the byu game, which if recent articles are any indication are mostly comments from byu fans still trying to hide behind other teams to feel better about being owned by their rivals every year.

    Who's your daddy?

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    Couldn't be more proud of the way the guys battled all year long. If we had lost by 20 to ASU, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon State, WSU....I'd say we should be in despair.

    We beat Stanford and ranked ASU, UCLA, and OSU all they could handle. That gives me a TON of hope for the future. We just couldn't get the bounces we needed.

    There is one program in the state of Utah with a future, and that is the Pac 12 University of Utah Utes!

    Big rivalry game next week. Lets show up and cheer on our team.

    And Whit is STILL the guy for the job. He's already taken us to undefeated top 5 glory, and he'll do it again.

    Go Utes!

  • So Utah Fan St George, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:23 p.m.

    At some point Whittingham has to be held accountable. Time for the Utes to go in a different direction because the present system is not working.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    Chrissy B, "Any team that can beat us has the right to mock." So doesn't that pretty much include everybody in your conference?

    First off anybody that wants to, can mock. It's called free speech. You should know, you mock on a daily basis.

    Second, evidently your rule doesn't count on basketball articles? Because I could swear I see you doing it on every single BYU basketball article, and it's been how long since U have beat BYU?

    Enjoy the bowl season again this year! Get used to not participating. We love our BCS membership, and no bowls or post season basketball tournaments that goes along with it.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Big Rivalry Game next week LOL

  • trueblueBYU Provo, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    So entertaining to follow these comments from start to finish. Almost made up for an otherwise painful day.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    WOW! The mighty Utes lost to the doormat WSU. So much for the vaulted U defense. Halliday torched them all day long. I guess we now officially have a new doormat in the PAC 11+u. The pac wants their money back.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 23, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    With a BYU grad as the coach, the Cougars beat the mighty utes.

    LOL!

    Utes play in the Buffalo Bowl.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    I'll give it to Utah. You guys took the PAC 12 South Division Champions ASU to a 1 point loss. You should be able to take some solace for that. You made it closer than UCLA did!

  • MormonUte Centerville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    Well, fellow Ute fans, it has been a long 6 weeks or so. Some thoughts:

    1. Personally, I think there are some defining moments for every program. A big one for us was that TCU beating at home 3 years ago. After the 27-0 loss at UNLV in 2007, the Utes went 39-4 over the next 4 years, with 2 of those 4 losses coming on last second plays in Provo, and a 31-24 loss at Oregon. Since the TCU beatdown, the program is 19-22. Without BYU, we would be 15-22, and they are not on the schedule for 2 years.
    2. As tough as this year's schedule has been, next year might be worse. Road games at Arizona State, Stanford, UCLA and Oregon State are coming up, with Oregon and USC coming in to Rice-Eccles. 6 wins will be hard to come by again.
    3. We are probably playing next year's brutal schedule with a Freshman quarterback, again.
    4. Whit is in trouble. He still has a job because of past performance. The Sugar Bowl win was nearly 5 years ago. He can't live on that forever.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    So I guess that this will be yet another MORAL VICTORY. Utah is now 7-3 in moral victories. They are the leading contender for the sole invitation to the first annual "Moral Victory" bowl. The only problem is that NO other school counts moral victories so they will not have an opponent. Utes win by default. Give them the trophy NOW so they can have their first trophy for the new case.

  • 4D Draper, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    Hey Down under WSU almost beat Auburn the first game of the year and beat my Wildcats last week. we just beat a good Oregon team today, and Oregon crushed UVA and Utah who your team lost to. your basically calling your own team a doormat. Loosing to the worst PAC 12 team and ACC team makes your team a powerhouse. Right?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    I give credit to Wazzu they out played Utah and deserve a bowl bid. I wish them luck in the bowl game. Utah needs to shore up the QB position. Very disappointed that Whittingham didn't go for the first down with 6 mins to go. He plays not to lose, he doesn't play to win.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    Moral victories are for losers.

    Better luck next year.

  • lasermann Orem, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    No Bowl game, two years in a row. Mark it down.

    Here's a thought ... use that extra time after the Colorado "rivalry" game to recruit a QB AND a backup QB.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    Congratulations Chris B. Another great prediction. Another great showing in pac12. True awesomeness!!!

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    Whit, Shariff must go.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    Well, we lost to a bad notre dame and utah loses to WSU. We arent any better off really.

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    Yes, BYU lost but Utah just lost also and that guarantees a losing season for the Utes and no bowl game again. Congratulations to Utah...you are in the PAC 12, yippee. But you cannot even win 6 games in a season. Your logic is faulty when you say that because BYU lost to Utah they are worse than the doormat. The best team does not always win, that is just life, upsets happen, ie Utah over Stanford and Virginia over BYU. It does not make that team better, they just scored more on that night. If the Utes record were at least 6 and 5 right now, then I would agree, the Utes are the better team, but they are not; they are 4 and 7. Deal with it.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    I've said this before, and let me repeat it:

    The only reason Utah, and Colorado were invited into the conference,-was to pad the other teams with more wins,-and make more PAC teams eligible for bowl games.

    It's happened two straight years, and benefited teams like Washington State.

  • the matrix Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    Sorry Chris B. Yeah the Utes may go bowling but it will be at the Alpine Bowling Lanes and not the at the Poinsettia Bowl or the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Enjoy the off season Ute Fans!! Go Cougs!!!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:28 p.m.

    4D,
    NOT RIGHT. It is possible for a really bad team rise up every now and again and beat the better team. Utah did this with BYU and Stanford. Just because the utes beat Stanford does NOT make hem better than Stanford, same with BYU. Good teams get better as the season goes on. Utah has gotten worse. The mark of a good team is to be consistent and get to bowl games year after year. If you will look at the difference between BYU and utah you will see that BYU makes it to bowl games while utah stays at home. Nice try though.

  • Tom in MS Madison, MS
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    Whoever is coaching Safeties, Corners, and Special Teams should get the axe after the season. It looked like Keystone Cops out there today, especially on Wazzu's last touchdown. And I wasn't laughing. And it wasn't supposed to be slapstick.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    Wow, a lot of class being shown by the boys in blue on the thread tonight. Stay classy, the true colors are coming out

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:41 p.m.

    Comparing BYU to Stanford? Now that's funny stuff right there.

    Blah ha ha ha ha ha

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    I am disappointed. However, it brings some laughter for BYU fans to say they are like Stanford. Really? You guys are bad too. You just found teams that were worse to play. If the Pac 12 would cut league games to 8, they would always over qualify teams for bowls. That extra league game lets teams in the conference knock each other out. So...I guess the Utes took the cash and the Cougars went the easy route to a bowl. Don't really know which is better. Also, kudos to USU for overcoming losing their QB and still doing ok. That would not have happened in the Pac.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    chris b - "0% chance Utah loses. Mark it Down."

    BYU loses by 10 to an elite program with more national championships than Utah has conference championships.

    Utah loses to one of the worst programs in the PAC by 13 and is left to battle Colorado for last place (cellar dweller) in the PAC South.

    I've said that Whit would be around next year, even without going to a bowl this year. But this game changes my thinking. If the utes lose to the Buffs, Whit may not survive. At this point, I have to say the game is 60 / 40. I give the utes a slight edge only because Colorado is on the road.

    utes looked like a very good team through mid October, but the second half of the season has been a disaster. This was their worst game of the year.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    So...Utah wins a total of 8 PAC 12 Conference games to date, meaning if they win the Rumble-in-the-Rockies next week it will be 9 games. My prediction was WRONG because I predicted it would take then 3 seasons to win 10 conference games. That prediction was made during the first season. Now we see it will take FOUR seasons to get ten wins. That is mighty impressive, what with it being the PAC 12 and all, along with all the hype from year one about going to the Rose Bowl. For a 2nd year, it's NO bowl.

    Gotta love that PAC 12 membership. (How many times has Arizona been to the Rose Bowl and yet they defeated Utah this year, too.)

    Have a great and pleasant holiday season, Ute partisans. You deserve a break from the rigors of the game.

  • Bring Gary back Murray, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    Hey Coach Andersen are you free to right the ship at Utah? What is the buy out fee at Wisconsin.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:59 p.m.

    christy

    "Couldn't be more proud of the way the guys battled all year long."

    Sounds like a Pop Warner coach congratulating his winless team before taking them out for ice cream.

    Next up, the rumble in the rockies to decide who gets to spend the long cold winter in the PAC 12 basement.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    Don't worry about your loss to WSU in football. Just relish your big victory over Savannah in basketball.

  • Ute parents - me Cougar Rathdrum, ID
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    It's pretty quite out there isn't it. I wonder if his power is out.

    Good luck next year. (hey isn't that what we said last year?)

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    Yep, they both lost to Utah!

    Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark, or bitterness apparently!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:25 p.m.

    Utah is a better team / program than this. Injuries have really hurt the U this year so give Whitingham some slack..he is actually a really good coach. That said I will say in order for Kyle to keep his big salary he his going to have to start winning consistently starting next season against seller dweller teams like Washington State and then also against Arizona, Arizona State, CAL and Washington..all very beatable teams.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    At cougfanintexas

    We will and you enjoy your victory over Iowa State, oh yeah, that's right, never mind

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    Back in the spring/early summer of 2011 when the mighty Utes were blowing their trumpet on being accepted into the conference of champions, I said that in 3-5 years Utes would be Pac-12 doormats and nobody would ever take them seriously. I said they would become the Iowa State, Duke, Vandy and Baylor of the Pac-12. (Those last 3 teams are all good now, kinda of funny) Last year at the end of the football season, I said Kyle would be fired after 3 straight losing seasons and no bowl games. That means Kyle better get the Utes to a bowl game next year or he'll be looking for new employment. My predictions are looking really good right now. One has already happened (3 years and doormats) and other one looking more and more likely. Have fun in the Pac-12 Utes!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    No, you lost to Washington State.

    Congratulations, the Utes just extended their losing streak to 5 straight games, and you're only a couple of plays away from that streak being 9 straight losses.

    The last time BYU lost 5 straight games in the same season, 1970.

    Impressive.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 11:09 p.m.

    It is definitely a difficult time being a Utah fan, but those of us who love the Utes and were there in the 80's when it was really bad stuck with them.

    Ironically, when the Utes were in the MWC they consistently beat teams in the Pac 12. The Pac 12 is a much stronger conference than it was 5 years ago.

    Coug fans, what gives you reason to gloat? You beat a decent Texas and Boise State team (neither like their top teams of years past). Since BYU plays a tough game about every 3 games, they should be winning more marquee matchups.Idaho State just got thumped by Weber State today and Virginia has lost 8 straight.

    Great job Cougs, you are going bowling by playing a schedule that Bo Didley Tech could have gotten to a bowl game with. Enjoy

    I'm a Ute who will stick with my team even in losing and don't mind all the good natured ribbing by classy BYU fans. Playing in the Pac 12 is still more fun than the MWC. Injuries took their toll on the Utes this year.

    A patient and longsuffering Ute.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 11:14 p.m.

    At pac man

    And you lost to us, and Notre Dame, and Iowa State

    Congratulations on, well nothing,

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    Utah lost to WSU who will end up in a bowl, which bowl is Virginia going to? That loss was swept quickly under the rug. How embarrassing, losing to the bottom feeder of the ACC, then losing to your rival when they are having there worst season(s) in years. Oh the horrier. Ha ha

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 11:30 p.m.

    At drapery terai

    Amen bro! Nicely done!

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    @DraperUteFan

    I'm glad you can stick by your team through thick and thin. Puts a dent in the argument that there are no true Ute fans, only anti-BYU fans. As a BYU fan, the Crowton years were tough, but we weathered the storm.

    ----

    As a Cougar fan, I would like to apologize for some of my fellow Cougar fans who are trying to relieve their own pain and frustration by piling on the Utes.

    Yes, we're annoyed by the Chris B's of the world who keep shouting "Mark it Down" "Our team will team, I Promise," but we know such attitudes are in the minority.

    I will say, I disagree with those Ute fans who say that BYU's schedule this season was a Bo Diddley Tech or cupcake schedule. Utah, Texas, Houston, Utah State, Boise State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech are hardly cupcakes the same as say Idaho or New Mexico State.

    Fact is, both fan bases are upset, especially Utah's, and for good reason.

    Maybe we all need to just calm down and join in a one big group hug.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    That's at draper ute

    At clarkhippo

    Nicely done, classy post guy!

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:45 a.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    "BYU loses by 10 to an elite program with more national championships than Utah has conference championships"

    Dude! You need to get your facts straight before you spout off false information.

    Notre Dame has won 11 national championships and Utah has won 24 conference championships.

    The rest of your comment I agree with you. After losing to Washington State and securing a second straight losing season. Whitt needs to go! His teams have regressed since joining the Pac-12. Whitt is an absolute failure at developing quarterbacks (the most important position on the field), and it shows on the field. I don't see anything changing as long as this coaching staff is still around.

    With that said, BYU isn't looking all that stellar either. They're coaching staff is just as bad as Utah's. Beat all weak teams and lose to all the good BCS teams. We see this every year under Bronco and I don't see that changing either. BYU has more inferior teams on their schedule to get them to bowl eligibility. Utah does not!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 2:04 a.m.

    Utah has come out flat in 6 of 8 PAC-12 games. We've allowed a TD on the first drive against: Oregon State, UCLA, Stanford, @Arizona, ASU, and @Washington State.

    Down 0-7 we were only able to come back and win against Stanford.

    That's not a good reflection on the coaching staff when your team consistently is not ready to play from the start.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 3:25 a.m.

    @ BYU9293

    When team A beats team B every single year, it's not really an upset.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 24, 2013 4:11 a.m.

    Washington State is NOT guaranteed a bowl invite... Arizona win or lose against in state rival ASU will be the more intriguing team... I also think that if OSU can pull off an upset they might be more alluring than either kitty cat team...

  • Mr. Caveman Omaha, NE
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:55 a.m.

    "How embarrassing, losing to the bottom feeder of the ACC"

    Losing on the road in a monsoon on the first game of the season installing a brand new offense with a brand new coaching staff losing at the very end of the game is a whole lot better than losing on the road to the usual bottom feeder and getting dominated from the very beginning and getting half a century of points put on you.

    Turn on the coach warmers, the Couch Potato Bowl is going to extend an invite shortly! Lots of good football left to come with both Big Brothers playing still. If Utah would learn to stop focusing on their rivals and focus on trying to win at least the division, the team would have more success. No rivals next year means an even bigger disastrous of a season. Michigan has only one home loss under current coach.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    ClarkHippo

    "There are no true Ute fans, only anti-byu fans" has never been much of an argument. byu fans proffer that notion simply because enjoy feeling persecuted. I'm a faithful member of the same church and I have never understood some of the things you people say. It's fun to see it in print, though.

    As for the list of teams you say are so tough...playing Texas this year is playing a reputation. Nothing more. Georgia Tech is a far cry from a "tough" team even though they are in a BCS conference. That notion plays in perfectly to the illusion Holmoe is trying to create. I'm surprised you didn't throw Virginia into your list. Utah is the same although they were looked very promising early on. Houston not a cup cake? That's a stretch especially for a team in the weakest of all BCS conferences. Utah St? Nope. BSU? Nope.

    That leaves Wisconsin, which by normal standards has not done all that well and Notre Dame. It's interesting that Wisconsin lost to ASU and ND beat them. Both by the slimmest of margins.

    That leaves byu with two respectable, legitimate games.

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Spokane ute is starting to sound more like chris b. Way to keep it classy just like said to us.

  • TwinsGuy Savage, MN
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Here's a thought - Utah and BYU just aren't very good this year. It is what it is...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    "... longsuffering Ute fan."

  • TamaBYU Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    Why are all BYU fans talking on this page. First of all we lost to Utah 4 years in a row. We BYU are just as bad as Utah. Yeah we are playing a bowl game, but all the big games that we needed to win we lost. Now they are saying it'll be better next year but that is what they said last year.
    I'm a Y fan but do support the Utes when they aren't playing my team. So good luck to the Utes, you all deserved to be in the Pac12. Stanford could easily beaten BYU had we played them.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 24, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Clark Hippo,

    I think you hit it right on. Living outside the Zion curtain, I know what people say and think about the state of Utah's lack of football. There is no respect for Utah, BYU, or Utah State. As much needling as I've done to Utah, I know most of them are classy. Some like to make up stories and such on these boards because they can hide behind a computer. But the truth is, if the Utah schools would stop the bickering and start cheering the other teams on, The state of Utah would likely see a huge increase in the level of play. What if BYU fans went to U of U games when BYU was away, and vise virsa. Cheering the Utes on! I'd say I'd be pretty impressed. As it is, even though Utah had a lot of close games this year. Next year, people are only going to remember the W/L column. Which wouldn't be reflective of any of the teams.

  • dave22 SOUTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    If you base Whittingham's job performance on wins and loses, he should be fired.
    If you base it on enthusiasm and support from the fan base gong forward, he should be fired.
    If you base it on player development and improvement, he should be fired.
    If you base it on scheme and ingenuity, he should be fired.
    If you base it on recruiting, he should be fired.

    If you base it on him being a good guy and running a clean program, he should NOT be fired.. should this be enough to keep his job? NO.

  • Ute2112 Murray, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Whitt should feel very grateful this thanksgiving that he is coach at Utah rather than USC or some other big name school. They just would not allow this to continue at those schools. They would clean house. Maybe that's why those teams are relevant pretty much every year. I like Coach Whitt but come on. Shake things up Utah!!!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    @ Mr. Caveman

    Losing on the road is still losing, regardless of the weather.

    However:

    30-Washington St.
    32-Notre Dame
    97-Virginia

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    I am a huge BYU fan, It gets frustrating to watch a team do so well and then play so terrible at times. I know some other BYU fans are going to come on here and rip me a new one because they are so BYU biased but I don't care. That is their own fault that they can't give respect when it's due. I don't think BYU is going to get to that next level. We are stuck at being a decent team. We don't play good teams week in and week out. We play a touch game every couple of weeks and while we play bad teams allows us to prepare for the big upcoming team.

    If BYU played in a big conference we would be towards the bottom. I know we have had some success in beating teams in the past but never have we played every single week against big time teams. I just don't for see us going anywhere anytime soon. We would be in the same situation as TCU and Utah if we played in a confernce.

    Bring on the biased BYU fans who will hate this comments.

  • FEARCARDTREE Laguna, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    @DOWNUNDER
    Just thought I would give perspective from someone who is not from the area and is not fan of either school. Utah and BYU are both good teams but neither are great. I'm Stanford graduate who has recently move to SLC. After watching Utah beat Stanford and BYU beating Texas, I have gained respect for both teams. I have watched both teams play this year and I don't see big gap between either schools. First of all BYU fans, just because you have a better record and your team is going to bowl game, doesn't mean you're the better team. The record argument is relative because both teams play different schedules. For BYU fans to say Utah is bad for not making a bowl game, BYU in my opinion wouldn't be bowl eligible if they had Utah schedule. Where would the guaranteed six wins come from? BYU is a beneficiary of weak schedule. If you give Utah or any of the top 10 team in the PAC BYU schedule, they would all win at least eight games. It is really easy to beat teams that are in Big Sky, American Athletic, MWC, and Conf USA.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Mr. Caveman
    "Losing on the road in a monsoon on the first game of the season..." Exactly, because the other team (Virginia) didn't have to play in those conditions.

    "If Utah would learn to stop focusing on their rivals and focus on trying to win at least the division, the team would have more success."

    What are you talking about? Utah's rivals are the teams in their division. How are they not focusing on them?

    Now, if you are referring to fans on the sports boards made available by local (Salt Lake City) media and by "rival" you mean byu, you need to take a step back and realize the world does not revolve about byu. There are boards to which all fans in the Pac-12 have access and I can assure you, there is zero discussion about byu. It is very clear, on those boards, who Utah's rivals are. Be careful not to confuse what you want to think with what actually exists.

    Utah fans are tired of losing to their rivals. Utah does not lose to byu and by extension, is not a rival.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Spokane ute, BYU didn't play Iowa State in football. Nor did they play Notre Dame, or utah in basketball. You can't lump the two sports together.
    No one can use injuries as a cop out. BYU has just as many in key areas on defense.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    @Clark Griswald
    "Whitt needs to go! His teams have regressed since joining the Pac-12. Whitt is an absolute failure at developing quarterbacks"

    Absolute nonsense. This team was much better than last years' incarnation that regularly got beat down by opponents. Utah lost one game this year that they were favored to win (Oregon State) and only had one bad loss (USC, though in retrospect now that USC has turned things around that doesn't seem so bad anymore). They beat a top ten team in Stanford. They beat a good BYU team. They beat the Keeton version of Utah State which even without Keeton might be going to the MWC championship game.

    As for QBs... yeah it's totally Whit's fault that Wynn got injured a lot, Wilson got injured, and that it's the logical move to not burn Manning's redshirt. Utah hasn't had their starting QB make it through the season since 2008. Everyone outside of Salt Lake looks at the fire Whit comments and thinks "what the heck are you guys thinking?" and they're right.

    Deal with the o-line and secondary since those are the weak points. Fire Whitt? Absolutely not.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Fear. The schedules are very close to being competitive. Utah ranked #1 and BYU is 10. Can't say much there.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Perspective. We definitely can see by reading these boards who utah considers their rival. I don't see them talking as much garbage about any team in the PAC. I only read about Chris, spokaneute and some others only compare to BYU. Where do you see the smack being to anyone but to BYU? There is your rival.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Utah time machine returns to the 70's.....no bowl games, no poll numbers, nothing really to get excited about......utah football supports obamacare

  • Elay23 Saint George, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    From a BYU advocate

    I have watched sports fans vilify and demonize their rivals. They look for any flaw and magnify it. They justify their hatred with broad generalizations and apply them to everyone associated with the other team. When ill fortune afflicts their rival, they rejoice.

    Brethren, unfortunately we see today too often the same kind of attitude and behavior spill over into the public discourse of politics, ethnicity, and religion.

    My dear brethren of the priesthood, my beloved fellow disciples of the gentle Christ, should we not hold ourselves to a higher standard? As priesthood bearers, we must realize that all of God’s children wear the same jersey. Our team is the brotherhood of man. This mortal life is our playing field. Our goal is to learn to love God and to extend that same love toward our fellowman. We are here to live according to His law and establish the kingdom of God. We are here to build, uplift, treat fairly, and encourage all of Heavenly Father’s children.

    BYU fans shouldn't you practice what you preach?!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 24, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    If the worse thing in life, was a defeat for the Cougars, and Utes, we'd be more than ok.

    Ease up foks!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    ClarkWG

    "Notre Dame has won 11 national championships and Utah has won 24 conference championships."

    Do you honestly believe that anybody living outside the crimson bubble cares about Rocky Mountain and Skyline conference championships, most with only 4 or 5 conference wins?

    Not ONE of Utah's 18 pre-WAC conference champions was good enough to be ranked and only one of them was good enough to be invited to a bowl.

    The truth is, Utah has only won 6 legitimate conference championships - 2 WAC, 4 MWC.

  • FEARCARDTREE Laguna, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    USNGary
    Schedules are not close. BYU has played one ranked team in comparison five ranked teams Utah has played. Just because some of teams your school have played have winning record, doesn't mean your schedule is really difficult. You have to look at the teams schedule you have played to get an indicator of good they're. If you flip the schedules, Utah is going to bowl game and BYU stays home. BYU would lose to UCLA, Utah, USC, Oregon, Stanford, ASU, AZ, and Oregon State. That equates to eight losses. Utah would beat MTS, NEV, UVA, BYU, HOU, BOISE, IDAHO, GT, USU. Utah would have nine wins.It doesn't take rocket science or Stanford education to figure this out. Like I said before, the record argument is relative.

  • butch Lehi, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    The bottom line is to win enough games to go bowling. The extra practice days help the younger players prepare for the upcoming year. It allows the fans to cheer for one more game during the holiday season. It helps in the recruiting to some degree. Players that choose a school like the fact that a team has a shot at a bowl game. Yes all teams would love to play for a national championship team. The SEC only has so many scholarships for players to play for a title shot. The rest of the teams try and do their best with what they have. Most football games are scheduled 5 to 10 years out and no one knows what kind of team they will be from now until then. The Utes and the Y are not where they wanted to be when the season started. One goes to a bowl and one does not. One completed an item on the bucket list and one did not. Does not matter who played who nor who won or lost by how much. Comments are here for us to bug and rag on each others team. San Francisco is nice in December.

  • MountainMan25 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Pathetic. Who cares about PAC 12 membership if we become the doormat? Three years in and we have officially become the PAC 12 doormat (evidenced today by our loss to the previous PAC 12 doormat, Washington State).

    I thought we had turned a corner when we joined the PAC 12. Whit needs to go. And Chris Hill needs to go. I wish I could say I am looking forward to basketball season, but it looks like we will be the third (or fourth) best team in the STATE again this year. What are we 0-7 against BYU over the last few years in basketball? What gives? We need a change.

    Honestly, I really don't see us beating Colorado based on our season so far. ONE win in PAC 12 play...but hey, at least we have a really tough schedule...

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    USNGary

    San Diego, CA

    Fear. The schedules are very close to being competitive. Utah ranked #1 and BYU is 10. Can't say much there.

    -----------------

    "You lie!"

    Your schedule is ranked #23 as of today. Your team is #24 and Utah #26.

    Source: Sagarin

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 24, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    Those of you wanting Whittingham's head may want to think about it. Recruiting athletes against the other PAC teams is difficult enough. But if K.W. is sent packing then U will also lose any insight and edge U had with LDS athletes (in state or out of state).

    That being said there needs to be an improvement somehow.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Nov. 24, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    While there are plenty of classless fans on both sides of the BYU-Utah divide posting on each other's stories to rub salt in wounds, I've seen many BYU fans say they root for Utah whenever the teams don't play each other, and to wish the Utes we'll in the past months. I honestly don' recall any avowed Utes doing the same. This should not be a one-way street, should it be? Would be happy to be corrected if I've missed some.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    @ atl134

    If you want to believe in moral victories go right ahead. But the fact is Utah is still losing and for the second straight year, not going to a bowl game. Unacceptable! Thanks for pointing out the games we won! But lets also not forget the games we lost which should have been wins: Oregon State, UCLA, and ASU at home. I believe Arizona and Washington State were winnable road games that we lost. In those 5 losses, a combination of bad defensive schemes or poor QB play lost it for us.

    My comment about Whitt's failures in developing QB's still stands. I'm not blaming the coaching for the injuries. Blame is assigned for not having the second string QB in a condition and mindset to perform sufficiently. While it's true that QB's differ in their natural skill sets and the coach can't be held accountable for that, it's also true that coaching can manipulate a player's natural talent to some degree. So, yes, the coaches do seem to have failed at having the backup QB sufficiently prepared.

    It all comes down to, are you satisfied with mediocrity? I'm not!

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    So BYU's went down, by everyone's logic, both utah and BYU would be undefeated with FSU's and Alabama's schedule. Go figure

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    @jazzer,

    Spot on. Both of our teams are not doing too well right now. Both teams game play has been almost agonizing to watch this year. I don't know if it is our fan bias or something else, but I think both fanbases feel like their teams just need a little extra push to get over the hump.

    For BYU, getting wins over Wisc and ND would have shown that we are ready to be the team that independence needs to get the proper exposure.

    For UTAH, they have had issues at quarterback but seem to just fall short otherwise. They are almost there.

    Too much bashing on each other trying to feel like we are superior. I guess Utah beats us more...

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    @ Uteanymous

    "Do you honestly believe that anybody living outside the crimson bubble cares about Rocky Mountain and Skyline conference championships, most with only 4 or 5 conference wins?"

    Yes! The same reason Y fans care about their WAC championships. They're both just as legitimate.

    "Not ONE of Utah's 18 pre-WAC conference champions was good enough to be ranked and only one of them was good enough to be invited to a bowl"

    Dude! There was very few bowl games played back then and no conference tie-ins. If there were as many bowl games in the 70's and 80's as there were before the WAC. Utah would be going bowling as conference champions.

    "The truth is, Utah has only won 6 legitimate conference championships - 2 WAC, 4 MWC"

    Since you don't consider the Rocky Mountain and Skyline conference championships legitimate. Then the WAC and the MWC are not legitimate conference championships either! There are 5 legitimate conferences in college football: ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, PAC-12, and SEC. The rest are mid major conferences!

    Neither BYU or Utah have legitimate conference championships or if the WAC and MWC are legitimate, so is Rocky Mountain and Skyline conferences.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Nov. 24, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    Following an article on Utah football you can bank on the following:
    1 - Chris B will predict a Utah victory.
    2- Chris B will be wrong most of the time if Utah is playing a PAC 12 team.
    3- The same Y fans will make the same posts about how bad Utah is. Seems they car more about the red team losing than the blue team winning.
    4- The fans mentioned above will claim their team is superior, reference a bowl game and show their jealousy over inclusion in a big 5 conference.
    5- More than half of the comments won't really have any relevance to the article, are designed to irritate the fans of the other team, and have become really annoying.
    6- There will be an article on BYU football and all of the above will apply (except Chris B may predict a Y loss and still be wrong most of the time).

    Ignoring all the standard posts, Utah is better this year but still doesn't show up on the road and isn't able to win (yet) in the conference with the current group of coaches and players.

  • trueblueBYU Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    OK, you win! How's this? I hate the hatred that the rivalry generates and hope that BYU never plays Utah again in ant sport!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    Uteology

    Despite Utah's #1 SOS and BYU's #23 SOS (BYU's 2013 SOS is stronger than any schedule Utah has ever played, prior to this season), the latest BCS standings show a much great disparity:

    #40 BYU (28, 35, 31, 36, 33, 39 - 33.75)
    #59 Utah (62, 67, 48, 70, 42, 58 - 58.75)

    (Sagarin, Colley, A-H, Billingsley, Massey, Wolfe - CPU Avg)

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Hey ThomasJefferson,

    Some how I missed your earlier post. Thanks for the congrats! I know this Saturday could be a challenge. You never know in a rivalry game. Sometimes the lesser team wins. I know BYU fans know all about that.

    Should be a fun game!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    Moderators won't let you say storm the field? wow

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    Hey ThomasJefferson,

    Some how I missed your earlier post. Thanks for the congrats! I know this Saturday could be a challenge. You never know in a rivalry game. Sometimes the lesser team wins. I know BYU fans know all about that.

    -------------

    Hold on Sun Devil wannabe, 9 of the last 12 is sometimes? On what planet is a 75 winning percentage sometimes?

    Sorry, but what BYU fans know all about is being OWNED.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    @uteology

    "what BYU fans know all about is being OWNED."

    *yawn* old news uteology. What BYU fans know all about right now is that they get to watch their team in a bowl game, again, in a few weeks. What utah "fans" like yourself know all about is staying home, just like your team, for the bowl season while "frantically and emotionally" trying to convince BYU fans how good utah really is, except for all the losing of course.

    You can continue to try to make that "point" all next month and all through the offseason if you'd like, I'll enjoy my time in San Francisco and the offseason having attended another bowl game. LOL!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    @ Uteology:

    When USNGary made his comment about BYU's schedule being the 10th toughest in the country, the new Sagarin rankings hadn't come out. They change every week, based on which teams win and lose. But to say he lied, is low and classless. He was spot-on when he posted.

    @ MyPerspective:

    To say that Utah never loses to BYU is absurd. Before the current streak, BYU beat Utah 3 of the 4 previous games. So even by your funny definition, it's very much a rivalry. How else would you explain Ute fans literally storming the field whenever they win in SLC.

    @ Clark W Griswold:

    You are grasping at straws to count Rocky Mtn and Skyline conference results. Like most football fans, I'd never even heard of those conferences before. And by way of comparison, The WAC and MWC are each still in existence and with occasional top-10 teams. The same can't be said of the aforementioned conferences... which makes your comparison pretty poor.

    @ FEARCARDTREE:

    You lost a lot of credibility by saying BYU has a weak schedule. It's in the nation's top 20%.
    Not as hard as Utah's, but definitely not "weak" by any standard.

  • Protecting This House Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    Anybody who spent more than 30 seconds posting their comment, needs to realize how low they've stooped. People are grasping at straws over which mediocre team gets more props?!

    Neither is a top 5, top 10, top 15, top 20, top 25 football program! Here's to hoping things get shaken up around this state.