Two words: pass rush. That's the difference in the game. This is the worst
division 1 team we have played all season. Utes win. End of story.
Nothing is a lock for Utah, they could easily lose the rest of the year, but hey
at least their in the Pac 12 right?I mean a 4 win year is terrible by most
standards, but because Utah is in the Pac 12, they really should be given a lot
of leeway. Really we should just double the win count to 8 because of the tough
schedule. Utah is a Pac 12 Member! YAAY!!
After the toughest schedule in the country so far, playing wsu and Colorado will
be just what the doctor ordered. I just don't see us losing either one. We
are the better team. Play our game, and we win. Go utes!
Ken - Are you related to Chris B?Love your confidence but . . . Utah
has lost all of theirs. Their season is over.I'm looking
forward to Utes basketball myself.
Bad start. But I'm not too worried. Remember last time we won in overtime
with a huge field goal here in Pullman? Maybe our skiing kicker will win it
this time. However it may happen, utes win Mark that down!
Not to worry Chris there is still three and a half quarters to make up the 3
touchdown deficit.Looking past Wazzu for the RIVALRY game against
Colorado and the coveted Cellar Trophy that goes to the loser.
Yeah! Looking good, U! I'm sure you've got it in you. Chris said
so, so this one is a lock! Lolz...
Well, this will be a comeback of the ages. I still have faith. Come on guys, we
are better than this!
Ken" I just don't see us losing either one."LOL!21-0 WSU after only 10 mins
Touchdown! That's more like it. No need to panic, plenty of time.
"After the toughest schedule in the country so far, playing wsu and Colorado
will be just what the doctor ordered."If the doctor ordered a 21
to 0 deficit in the first quarter...
Ken, Utah down 21-0, end of who's story? Is Washington State really that
bad?Whats happening Utah?
@Ken might wanna rethink that Ken lol
We're fine. Everyone just calm down, we'll pull this out. Utes 34WSU 30Utes WILL go bowling.
KennyI know you can't watch he utes, sorry, swoops on tv but look at
the score on this site. Mark it down
Great defensive stop! Lets pull this to 7. Guys are FIGHTING out there.
21-14LOLWashington State is BAD!0% chance we
lose this, one, even starting down 21-0.
Normally going down 21-0 I'd say game over, But its Washington state.
Like I said before the game started: "Utes win. End of story"
Told ya!I GUARANTEED Utah wins this game.For those who
doubted, get your crow ready. Utes WILL win. Utes WILL beat our
rival Colorado. Utes WILL go bowling.
Another HUGE ute stop deep in our territory.Defense playing like
BEASTS. Reilly has established himself as the best linebacker in the state.
This defense is a top 20 defense in the nation. As long as Shulz stops giving
them points we'll win the game.And I'm confident we
will.They can't score on our defense. Only on our offense.
Touchdown!Utes just down 9.We've got this. I still
say there is NO WAY we lose this game.
Good call, Ken.I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the
Whittingham era. If he wants to save his job Finn, Hill, Roderick, and Shah need
to be let go. The O-line is awful. The kick return and kick coverage teams are
embarrassing. Receivers run terrible routes, continually drop balls, and in
Norwood's case, bat the ball as high as possible into the air, and the
secondary is as bad as I can remember. Nobody can read the QB, or even locate
the ball while it's in the air. I had higher hopes for the Utes, but it is
obvious that this team will be stuck in mediocrity until something changes.
Utes getting dominated by the Wazoo at the half.btw,What's the point of having a game blog if the DN isn't going to post
We've got ALL the momentum.Don't throw pick 6's and
we win. Its that simple.And we ARE going to win.I've been wrong before, but not today. I just don't see this
defense letting us down.Go UTES
That missed PAT will be HUGE I think.Being up "only" 13 is a
dangerous position.Come on utes, ONWARD and UPWARD. Lets get to
Ken.....Where are you Ken?The Utes are the worst in the Pac12, MWC
@Chris B,They are still losing haahhahahah, you act like they are winning
and the game is over
Thought this was a top 10 defense?
Score differentials of both Utah and BYU games almost mirroring each other once
Utah stopped throwing picks. If that's what it will take for Utah to pull
this one out, then I'll say it: Go BYU! Go Utes!
Is there anywhere to watch this game? I keep turning the channels and all I can
find is BYU/ ND or Ore/Az.
@ImaUTE,Of ye of little faith. Utah coming back strong. How are you
going to look when you gave up on our team and we come back and WIN?
@md - I'm right here. Where will you be after Utah pulls off the comeback?
Still think we'll pull this game out.
Sorry died in the wool Ute fan but this program has imploded. Every aspect is
at least sub par if not worse than season beginning. It only gets
worse next year. Time to cut our loses. Maybe 4 and 8 with a 3 and 1 start
will be the impetus.
Down to a 6 point game. Where are all the doubters NOW? Utes going to win this
1 possession game. Get the CROW ready. BOTH cougars going down.
Perfect day of football!Utes winbyu loses
The score got close for a while but the mighty Wazzu Cougars had too many
weapons for Ute defense. But there is still the fourth quarter.We
are talking about Washington State and not Oregon right? The same WSU that was
a lock when the schedule was announced before the season began!
Joe SchmoeWatch it on VIPbox or firstrow sports
Murphy 64 yard TDUtes are GOING to win.Chris B was
rightChris B was right
Naysers(both utes and cougars) looking bad right now.Utes going to
win!Notre Dame going to win!HUGE 64 yard TD.Play of the game.Scratch that, play of the YEAR
That WSU missed PAT is going to be the difference. Being up by only 6 is
@md - I'm still here. Where did you go? Getting your crow ready I
presume? I'll remind you what I said: Utes win. End of
mindgames, bandofhedgehog, jakarus - A lot of silence right now from you guys
huh? You silence is DEAFENING. Utes about to win. Never lost hope!
Well BYU didn't end up coming back, so there went that theory. But
let's go, Utes!!
byu just lost!And Utah about to winCougars lose
TWICE!Did you guys Mark it down like I said?
Sad day for Utah AND BYU...
I'll be home for Christmas...
Props to the U for never giving up tonight. Tough to see them not making a bowl
again. They'll get better and should go bowling next year. I am excited to
see Connor Manning or Brandon Cox next year. They should take the U back to a
Fire Sitake, rush more than three and you smoke this team. Have somewhat of an
idea how to compensate for their poor running game. This loss was on the
coaching staff. This was a very tough loss to swallow. Chris Petterson has
already bought a home in Salt Lake.
Tough day for both BYU and Utah.That said, I would much prefer
scenario A over scenario B:A) Lose by 10 to a well-regarded 7-3
opponentB) Lose by 12 to a mediocre 5-5 opponent and become officially
ineligible for a bowlThen again, I'm sure there are some who
will say it is better to be the latter team whose loss came in obscurity as
opposed to the first who lost with a national audience. That's about the
only positive spin I can imagine for Team B at this point.
Ken is Chris B. Embarrassing to true Utes.
With the invite to the PAC 12, the Ites are taking the same path as their once
prominent basketball program. Utah is to the PAC 12 what UTEP was to the WAC of
the 70s and 80s.
2 losses on the day for us it seems. Sigh
@ Chris B, Christopher B, Ken, etc.:I'd really to hear more
about that rock solid absolute guarantee you made to the DN public multiple
times. And perhaps a bit more about all of that "mark it down" stuff.You've now lost the rest of what little credibility you had left.
Rough day for both BYU and Utah. Hopefully the Utes can finish the season on a
high note against Colorado, and hopefully BYU uses the next week to prepare for
Nevada and their bowl opponent.
I understand Whitt's a defensive minded coach, but I thought the decision
to punt on 4th and 3 with under six minutes left was what sealed the game.
Halliday was just in too much of a rhythm. Very disappointing result to add to a
disappointing season, but I'm happy for Mike Leach. Met him once in SLC and
he is every bit as odd of a character as he comes across as publicly, but still
a really good guy and brilliant coach.
Tough day for both BYU and Utah today, but from reading the first three pages of
comments here, one would think that that Utah won. .
Ken Sandy, UT"mindgames, bandofhedgehog, jakarus - A
lot of silence right now from you guys huh? You silence is DEAFENING. Utes about
to win. Never lost hope!"My silence was in respect for the
valiant effort by the Utes to come back and not wanting to do the "You
should have seen that coming" remarks. But you dragged it out of me.
Hey Utes, The players had a nice little come back. To bad the defensive effort
has gone South for the winter... Wish them well next week. The
fans are going to have to be patient for the next 5-10 years. Most people knew
that the move to the PAC was going to be very painful over the short-term.
Realistically, in the next year or two, the move will probably cost an
outstanding coach and an OK athletic director their jobs because of the
fan's impatience. It would be sad to see the Utes lose their coach, the
team's will only get worse. There are very few coaches of his caliber. I guess this is the cost of doing business in college sports.
Ken - what was it you said? Oh yeah.. " Utes win. End of
story. "Well you got it half right.Better luck next
year. See you for Christmas
I am sorry the Utes loss. I was pulling for you. Would any of you like to ride
to San Francisco with me?
How does that Crow taste, Chris B.? Now you can enjoy your Thanksgiving and
Christmas crow as well while you and your (once mighty)Utes sit at home watching
other teams play their bowl games. Here is a useful definition:
"Bowl Game" - Any of the post-season games played in the NCAA by teams
with winning records. Teams must win a minimum of six games during the season to
qualify for an invitation. Please note: The above statement reads
"six games in a season" not total since joining the Pac 11&1/2.
There sure are some funny posts on this news article. Quite entertaining. Thank
you Chris B (and all your AKA's). You're guys banter is priceless.
Good luck next year, Utes, you're going to need all the help you can get.
With all the guarantees, mark-it-down comments, and something about eating crow,
I'm glad I'm not living in that immature stage of life. The only
guarantee now is the fact that only two teams from Utah will be in bowl games
this year, yet again.
BYU loosesUtah LoosesSouthern Utah LoosesWeber State Wins!Utah State Wins!Pretty even day for the State of Utah.
Mighty big talk from a team that lost to lowly Utah, AND also lost today.
My goodness, another heart breaker. The Utes are always competitive. Next year
they will get some of these.
According to "md" the Utes are the worst in the PAC 12, MWC and WAC.Indeed the 2013 season has been painful for this Ute fan. Not much
consolation in beating a mid-major independent, a MWC team, and a decent PAC 12
team. I still feel hope for the coming years. I think it is a huge
transition from the MWC to a BCS conference. The next 2-3 seasons will clearly
show where Utah is at. PAC 12 membership is tremendous, but brutal. I imagine
any team / school from the MWC or the WAC would jump on an invitation to join.
Perhaps even some independent team would have accepted an invitation had it been
@TanMan_101. But they (BYU) will be playing in a bowl this year. Again.
No interest in the Utes at all, but certainly nice to see Chris B hang out there
like a big enchilada. Next year for him I gues (mark it down). Meanwhile my
ASU Sun Devils are halfway through a great game with UCLA. Welcome to the Pac
The DNews just rejected my comment for saying the Utes now don't have to
worry about a bowl not inviting them even if they were bowl eligible. (A very
possible scenario.) They said it was off topic or disruptive. There own headline
says "Utes miss bowl season for second straight year". How is my comment
any more off topic or disruptive than the DNews headline? But they accept
multiple comments about BYU on an article about Utah football.How is
ChristopherB's comment "byu game over. 13 points Was that your go fast
go hard offense?LOL" not off topic or disruptive?
Man I was pulling for the U. It would be nice if all Utah teams went bowling in
the same year. It helps out with recruiting and national exposure to some great
universities and football. Oh well that's life
Chin up Chrissy. Your basketball team beat up on another JV squad tonight. That
makes Ute sports a wash today, right?
StGtoSLC makes good points about Whitt, the 4th&3, etc.And it
looks like Ken's having 'crow-duck-en' for Thanksgiving.
Funny comments in the comment post during this game. Suggestion: Make comments
at the end of the game when the score is final! Then you won't look so
ridiculous!Utah went from the top of the heap (MWC) to the bottom
(PAC12).Oh, but I forgot....they are IN the PAC12, and that's
ALL that counts! LOL
Didn't get to see a second of the game today, just came here to read the
article. I see in a BYU-fan catering publication, this article has twice the
comments as the article about the byu game, which if recent articles are any
indication are mostly comments from byu fans still trying to hide behind other
teams to feel better about being owned by their rivals every year.Who's your daddy?
Couldn't be more proud of the way the guys battled all year long. If we
had lost by 20 to ASU, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon State, WSU....I'd say we
should be in despair. We beat Stanford and ranked ASU, UCLA, and
OSU all they could handle. That gives me a TON of hope for the future. We
just couldn't get the bounces we needed.There is one program in
the state of Utah with a future, and that is the Pac 12 University of Utah
Utes!Big rivalry game next week. Lets show up and cheer on our
team.And Whit is STILL the guy for the job. He's already taken
us to undefeated top 5 glory, and he'll do it again.Go Utes!
At some point Whittingham has to be held accountable. Time for the Utes to go in
a different direction because the present system is not working.
Chrissy B, "Any team that can beat us has the right to mock." So
doesn't that pretty much include everybody in your conference?First off anybody that wants to, can mock. It's called free speech. You
should know, you mock on a daily basis.Second, evidently your rule
doesn't count on basketball articles? Because I could swear I see you doing
it on every single BYU basketball article, and it's been how long since U
have beat BYU?Enjoy the bowl season again this year! Get used to
not participating. We love our BCS membership, and no bowls or post season
basketball tournaments that goes along with it.
Big Rivalry Game next week LOL
So entertaining to follow these comments from start to finish. Almost made up
for an otherwise painful day.
WOW! The mighty Utes lost to the doormat WSU. So much for the vaulted U
defense. Halliday torched them all day long. I guess we now officially have a
new doormat in the PAC 11+u. The pac wants their money back.
With a BYU grad as the coach, the Cougars beat the mighty utes.LOL!Utes play in the Buffalo Bowl.
I'll give it to Utah. You guys took the PAC 12 South Division Champions ASU
to a 1 point loss. You should be able to take some solace for that. You made it
closer than UCLA did!
Well, fellow Ute fans, it has been a long 6 weeks or so. Some thoughts:1. Personally, I think there are some defining moments for every program. A
big one for us was that TCU beating at home 3 years ago. After the 27-0 loss at
UNLV in 2007, the Utes went 39-4 over the next 4 years, with 2 of those 4 losses
coming on last second plays in Provo, and a 31-24 loss at Oregon. Since the TCU
beatdown, the program is 19-22. Without BYU, we would be 15-22, and they are not
on the schedule for 2 years.2. As tough as this year's schedule has
been, next year might be worse. Road games at Arizona State, Stanford, UCLA and
Oregon State are coming up, with Oregon and USC coming in to Rice-Eccles. 6 wins
will be hard to come by again.3. We are probably playing next year's
brutal schedule with a Freshman quarterback, again.4. Whit is in trouble.
He still has a job because of past performance. The Sugar Bowl win was nearly 5
years ago. He can't live on that forever.
So I guess that this will be yet another MORAL VICTORY. Utah is now 7-3 in
moral victories. They are the leading contender for the sole invitation to the
first annual "Moral Victory" bowl. The only problem is that NO other
school counts moral victories so they will not have an opponent. Utes win by
default. Give them the trophy NOW so they can have their first trophy for the
Hey Down under WSU almost beat Auburn the first game of the year and beat my
Wildcats last week. we just beat a good Oregon team today, and Oregon crushed
UVA and Utah who your team lost to. your basically calling your own team a
doormat. Loosing to the worst PAC 12 team and ACC team makes your team a
I give credit to Wazzu they out played Utah and deserve a bowl bid. I wish them
luck in the bowl game. Utah needs to shore up the QB position. Very disappointed
that Whittingham didn't go for the first down with 6 mins to go. He plays
not to lose, he doesn't play to win.
Moral victories are for losers.Better luck next year.
No Bowl game, two years in a row. Mark it down.Here's a thought
... use that extra time after the Colorado "rivalry" game to recruit a
QB AND a backup QB.
Congratulations Chris B. Another great prediction. Another great showing in
pac12. True awesomeness!!!
Whit, Shariff must go.
Well, we lost to a bad notre dame and utah loses to WSU. We arent any better off
Yes, BYU lost but Utah just lost also and that guarantees a losing season for
the Utes and no bowl game again. Congratulations to Utah...you are in the PAC
12, yippee. But you cannot even win 6 games in a season. Your logic is faulty
when you say that because BYU lost to Utah they are worse than the doormat. The
best team does not always win, that is just life, upsets happen, ie Utah over
Stanford and Virginia over BYU. It does not make that team better, they just
scored more on that night. If the Utes record were at least 6 and 5 right now,
then I would agree, the Utes are the better team, but they are not; they are 4
and 7. Deal with it.
I've said this before, and let me repeat it:The only reason
Utah, and Colorado were invited into the conference,-was to pad the other teams
with more wins,-and make more PAC teams eligible for bowl games. It's happened two straight years, and benefited teams like Washington
Sorry Chris B. Yeah the Utes may go bowling but it will be at the Alpine Bowling
Lanes and not the at the Poinsettia Bowl or the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Enjoy
the off season Ute Fans!! Go Cougs!!!
4D,NOT RIGHT. It is possible for a really bad team rise up every now and
again and beat the better team. Utah did this with BYU and Stanford. Just
because the utes beat Stanford does NOT make hem better than Stanford, same with
BYU. Good teams get better as the season goes on. Utah has gotten worse. The
mark of a good team is to be consistent and get to bowl games year after year.
If you will look at the difference between BYU and utah you will see that BYU
makes it to bowl games while utah stays at home. Nice try though.
Whoever is coaching Safeties, Corners, and Special Teams should get the axe
after the season. It looked like Keystone Cops out there today, especially on
Wazzu's last touchdown. And I wasn't laughing. And it wasn't
supposed to be slapstick.
Wow, a lot of class being shown by the boys in blue on the thread tonight. Stay
classy, the true colors are coming out
Comparing BYU to Stanford? Now that's funny stuff right there.Blah ha ha ha ha ha
I am disappointed. However, it brings some laughter for BYU fans to say they
are like Stanford. Really? You guys are bad too. You just found teams that
were worse to play. If the Pac 12 would cut league games to 8, they would
always over qualify teams for bowls. That extra league game lets teams in the
conference knock each other out. So...I guess the Utes took the cash and the
Cougars went the easy route to a bowl. Don't really know which is better.
Also, kudos to USU for overcoming losing their QB and still doing ok. That
would not have happened in the Pac.
chris b - "0% chance Utah loses. Mark it Down."BYU loses by
10 to an elite program with more national championships than Utah has conference
championships.Utah loses to one of the worst programs in the PAC by
13 and is left to battle Colorado for last place (cellar dweller) in the PAC
South.I've said that Whit would be around next year, even
without going to a bowl this year. But this game changes my thinking. If the
utes lose to the Buffs, Whit may not survive. At this point, I have to say the
game is 60 / 40. I give the utes a slight edge only because Colorado is on the
road. utes looked like a very good team through mid October, but
the second half of the season has been a disaster. This was their worst game of
So...Utah wins a total of 8 PAC 12 Conference games to date, meaning if they win
the Rumble-in-the-Rockies next week it will be 9 games. My prediction was WRONG
because I predicted it would take then 3 seasons to win 10 conference games.
That prediction was made during the first season. Now we see it will take FOUR
seasons to get ten wins. That is mighty impressive, what with it being the PAC
12 and all, along with all the hype from year one about going to the Rose Bowl.
For a 2nd year, it's NO bowl.Gotta love that PAC 12 membership.
(How many times has Arizona been to the Rose Bowl and yet they defeated Utah
this year, too.)Have a great and pleasant holiday season, Ute
partisans. You deserve a break from the rigors of the game.
Hey Coach Andersen are you free to right the ship at Utah? What is the buy out
fee at Wisconsin.
christy"Couldn't be more proud of the way the guys battled
all year long."Sounds like a Pop Warner coach congratulating his
winless team before taking them out for ice cream.Next up, the
rumble in the rockies to decide who gets to spend the long cold winter in the
PAC 12 basement.
Don't worry about your loss to WSU in football. Just relish your big
victory over Savannah in basketball.
It's pretty quite out there isn't it. I wonder if his power is
out.Good luck next year. (hey isn't that what we said last
Yep, they both lost to Utah!Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark, or
Utah is a better team / program than this. Injuries have really hurt the U this
year so give Whitingham some slack..he is actually a really good coach. That
said I will say in order for Kyle to keep his big salary he his going to have to
start winning consistently starting next season against seller dweller teams
like Washington State and then also against Arizona, Arizona State, CAL and
Washington..all very beatable teams.
At cougfanintexasWe will and you enjoy your victory over Iowa State,
oh yeah, that's right, never mind
Back in the spring/early summer of 2011 when the mighty Utes were blowing their
trumpet on being accepted into the conference of champions, I said that in 3-5
years Utes would be Pac-12 doormats and nobody would ever take them seriously. I
said they would become the Iowa State, Duke, Vandy and Baylor of the Pac-12.
(Those last 3 teams are all good now, kinda of funny) Last year at the end of
the football season, I said Kyle would be fired after 3 straight losing seasons
and no bowl games. That means Kyle better get the Utes to a bowl game next year
or he'll be looking for new employment. My predictions are looking really
good right now. One has already happened (3 years and doormats) and other one
looking more and more likely. Have fun in the Pac-12 Utes!
Spokane UteNo, you lost to Washington State.Congratulations, the Utes just extended their losing streak to 5 straight
games, and you're only a couple of plays away from that streak being 9
straight losses.The last time BYU lost 5 straight games in the same
It is definitely a difficult time being a Utah fan, but those of us who love the
Utes and were there in the 80's when it was really bad stuck with them.Ironically, when the Utes were in the MWC they consistently beat teams
in the Pac 12. The Pac 12 is a much stronger conference than it was 5 years
ago. Coug fans, what gives you reason to gloat? You beat a decent
Texas and Boise State team (neither like their top teams of years past). Since
BYU plays a tough game about every 3 games, they should be winning more marquee
matchups.Idaho State just got thumped by Weber State today and Virginia has lost
8 straight.Great job Cougs, you are going bowling by playing a
schedule that Bo Didley Tech could have gotten to a bowl game with. EnjoyI'm a Ute who will stick with my team even in losing and don't
mind all the good natured ribbing by classy BYU fans. Playing in the Pac 12 is
still more fun than the MWC. Injuries took their toll on the Utes this year.A patient and longsuffering Ute.
At pac manAnd you lost to us, and Notre Dame, and Iowa StateCongratulations on, well nothing,
Utah lost to WSU who will end up in a bowl, which bowl is Virginia going to?
That loss was swept quickly under the rug. How embarrassing, losing to the
bottom feeder of the ACC, then losing to your rival when they are having there
worst season(s) in years. Oh the horrier. Ha ha
At drapery teraiAmen bro! Nicely done!
@DraperUteFanI'm glad you can stick by your team through thick
and thin. Puts a dent in the argument that there are no true Ute fans, only
anti-BYU fans. As a BYU fan, the Crowton years were tough, but we weathered the
storm.----As a Cougar fan, I would like to apologize for
some of my fellow Cougar fans who are trying to relieve their own pain and
frustration by piling on the Utes. Yes, we're annoyed by the
Chris B's of the world who keep shouting "Mark it Down" "Our
team will team, I Promise," but we know such attitudes are in the minority.
I will say, I disagree with those Ute fans who say that BYU's
schedule this season was a Bo Diddley Tech or cupcake schedule. Utah, Texas,
Houston, Utah State, Boise State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech are
hardly cupcakes the same as say Idaho or New Mexico State.Fact is,
both fan bases are upset, especially Utah's, and for good reason.Maybe we all need to just calm down and join in a one big group hug.
That's at draper uteAt clarkhippo Nicely done,
classy post guy!
@ CougFaninTX"BYU loses by 10 to an elite program with more
national championships than Utah has conference championships"Dude! You need to get your facts straight before you spout off false
information. Notre Dame has won 11 national championships and Utah
has won 24 conference championships.The rest of your comment I agree
with you. After losing to Washington State and securing a second straight losing
season. Whitt needs to go! His teams have regressed since joining the Pac-12.
Whitt is an absolute failure at developing quarterbacks (the most important
position on the field), and it shows on the field. I don't see anything
changing as long as this coaching staff is still around. With that
said, BYU isn't looking all that stellar either. They're coaching
staff is just as bad as Utah's. Beat all weak teams and lose to all the
good BCS teams. We see this every year under Bronco and I don't see that
changing either. BYU has more inferior teams on their schedule to get them to
bowl eligibility. Utah does not!
Utah has come out flat in 6 of 8 PAC-12 games. We've allowed a TD on the
first drive against: Oregon State, UCLA, Stanford, @Arizona, ASU, and
@Washington State.Down 0-7 we were only able to come back and win
against Stanford.That's not a good reflection on the coaching
staff when your team consistently is not ready to play from the start.
@ BYU9293When team A beats team B every single year, it's not
really an upset.
Washington State is NOT guaranteed a bowl invite... Arizona win or lose against
in state rival ASU will be the more intriguing team... I also think that if OSU
can pull off an upset they might be more alluring than either kitty cat team...
"How embarrassing, losing to the bottom feeder of the ACC"Losing on the road in a monsoon on the first game of the season installing a
brand new offense with a brand new coaching staff losing at the very end of the
game is a whole lot better than losing on the road to the usual bottom feeder
and getting dominated from the very beginning and getting half a century of
points put on you.Turn on the coach warmers, the Couch Potato Bowl
is going to extend an invite shortly! Lots of good football left to come with
both Big Brothers playing still. If Utah would learn to stop focusing on their
rivals and focus on trying to win at least the division, the team would have
more success. No rivals next year means an even bigger disastrous of a season.
Michigan has only one home loss under current coach.
ClarkHippo"There are no true Ute fans, only anti-byu fans"
has never been much of an argument. byu fans proffer that notion simply because
enjoy feeling persecuted. I'm a faithful member of the same church and I
have never understood some of the things you people say. It's fun to see
it in print, though. As for the list of teams you say are so
tough...playing Texas this year is playing a reputation. Nothing more. Georgia
Tech is a far cry from a "tough" team even though they are in a BCS
conference. That notion plays in perfectly to the illusion Holmoe is trying to
create. I'm surprised you didn't throw Virginia into your list. Utah
is the same although they were looked very promising early on. Houston not a
cup cake? That's a stretch especially for a team in the weakest of all BCS
conferences. Utah St? Nope. BSU? Nope. That leaves Wisconsin,
which by normal standards has not done all that well and Notre Dame. It's
interesting that Wisconsin lost to ASU and ND beat them. Both by the slimmest
of margins.That leaves byu with two respectable, legitimate games.
Spokane ute is starting to sound more like chris b. Way to keep it classy just
like said to us.
Here's a thought - Utah and BYU just aren't very good this year. It
is what it is...
"... longsuffering Ute fan."
Why are all BYU fans talking on this page. First of all we lost to Utah 4 years
in a row. We BYU are just as bad as Utah. Yeah we are playing a bowl game, but
all the big games that we needed to win we lost. Now they are saying it'll
be better next year but that is what they said last year.I'm a Y fan
but do support the Utes when they aren't playing my team. So good luck to
the Utes, you all deserved to be in the Pac12. Stanford could easily beaten BYU
had we played them.
Clark Hippo,I think you hit it right on. Living outside the Zion
curtain, I know what people say and think about the state of Utah's lack of
football. There is no respect for Utah, BYU, or Utah State. As much needling as
I've done to Utah, I know most of them are classy. Some like to make up
stories and such on these boards because they can hide behind a computer. But
the truth is, if the Utah schools would stop the bickering and start cheering
the other teams on, The state of Utah would likely see a huge increase in the
level of play. What if BYU fans went to U of U games when BYU was away, and vise
virsa. Cheering the Utes on! I'd say I'd be pretty impressed. As it
is, even though Utah had a lot of close games this year. Next year, people are
only going to remember the W/L column. Which wouldn't be reflective of any
of the teams.
If you base Whittingham's job performance on wins and loses, he should be
fired.If you base it on enthusiasm and support from the fan base gong
forward, he should be fired.If you base it on player development and
improvement, he should be fired.If you base it on scheme and ingenuity, he
should be fired.If you base it on recruiting, he should be fired.If you base it on him being a good guy and running a clean program, he should
NOT be fired.. should this be enough to keep his job? NO.
Whitt should feel very grateful this thanksgiving that he is coach at Utah
rather than USC or some other big name school. They just would not allow this
to continue at those schools. They would clean house. Maybe that's why
those teams are relevant pretty much every year. I like Coach Whitt but come
on. Shake things up Utah!!!
@ Mr. CavemanLosing on the road is still losing, regardless of the
weather.However:30-Washington St.32-Notre Dame97-Virginia
I am a huge BYU fan, It gets frustrating to watch a team do so well and then
play so terrible at times. I know some other BYU fans are going to come on here
and rip me a new one because they are so BYU biased but I don't care. That
is their own fault that they can't give respect when it's due. I
don't think BYU is going to get to that next level. We are stuck at being
a decent team. We don't play good teams week in and week out. We play a
touch game every couple of weeks and while we play bad teams allows us to
prepare for the big upcoming team. If BYU played in a big
conference we would be towards the bottom. I know we have had some success in
beating teams in the past but never have we played every single week against big
time teams. I just don't for see us going anywhere anytime soon. We would
be in the same situation as TCU and Utah if we played in a confernce. Bring on the biased BYU fans who will hate this comments.
@DOWNUNDERJust thought I would give perspective from someone who is not
from the area and is not fan of either school. Utah and BYU are both good teams
but neither are great. I'm Stanford graduate who has recently move to SLC.
After watching Utah beat Stanford and BYU beating Texas, I have gained respect
for both teams. I have watched both teams play this year and I don't see
big gap between either schools. First of all BYU fans, just because you have a
better record and your team is going to bowl game, doesn't mean
you're the better team. The record argument is relative because both teams
play different schedules. For BYU fans to say Utah is bad for not making a bowl
game, BYU in my opinion wouldn't be bowl eligible if they had Utah
schedule. Where would the guaranteed six wins come from? BYU is a beneficiary of
weak schedule. If you give Utah or any of the top 10 team in the PAC BYU
schedule, they would all win at least eight games. It is really easy to beat
teams that are in Big Sky, American Athletic, MWC, and Conf USA.
Mr. Caveman"Losing on the road in a monsoon on the first game of the
season..." Exactly, because the other team (Virginia) didn't have to
play in those conditions."If Utah would learn to stop focusing
on their rivals and focus on trying to win at least the division, the team would
have more success."What are you talking about? Utah's
rivals are the teams in their division. How are they not focusing on them? Now, if you are referring to fans on the sports boards made available by
local (Salt Lake City) media and by "rival" you mean byu, you need to
take a step back and realize the world does not revolve about byu. There are
boards to which all fans in the Pac-12 have access and I can assure you, there
is zero discussion about byu. It is very clear, on those boards, who
Utah's rivals are. Be careful not to confuse what you want to think with
what actually exists.Utah fans are tired of losing to their rivals.
Utah does not lose to byu and by extension, is not a rival.
Spokane ute, BYU didn't play Iowa State in football. Nor did they play
Notre Dame, or utah in basketball. You can't lump the two sports together.
No one can use injuries as a cop out. BYU has just as many in key areas on
@Clark Griswald"Whitt needs to go! His teams have regressed since
joining the Pac-12. Whitt is an absolute failure at developing
quarterbacks"Absolute nonsense. This team was much better than
last years' incarnation that regularly got beat down by opponents. Utah
lost one game this year that they were favored to win (Oregon State) and only
had one bad loss (USC, though in retrospect now that USC has turned things
around that doesn't seem so bad anymore). They beat a top ten team in
Stanford. They beat a good BYU team. They beat the Keeton version of Utah State
which even without Keeton might be going to the MWC championship game. As for QBs... yeah it's totally Whit's fault that Wynn got injured a
lot, Wilson got injured, and that it's the logical move to not burn
Manning's redshirt. Utah hasn't had their starting QB make it through
the season since 2008. Everyone outside of Salt Lake looks at the fire Whit
comments and thinks "what the heck are you guys thinking?" and
they're right. Deal with the o-line and secondary since those
are the weak points. Fire Whitt? Absolutely not.
Fear. The schedules are very close to being competitive. Utah ranked #1 and BYU
is 10. Can't say much there.
Perspective. We definitely can see by reading these boards who utah considers
their rival. I don't see them talking as much garbage about any team in the
PAC. I only read about Chris, spokaneute and some others only compare to BYU.
Where do you see the smack being to anyone but to BYU? There is your rival.
Utah time machine returns to the 70's.....no bowl games, no poll numbers,
nothing really to get excited about......utah football supports obamacare
From a BYU advocateI have watched sports fans vilify and demonize
their rivals. They look for any flaw and magnify it. They justify their hatred
with broad generalizations and apply them to everyone associated with the other
team. When ill fortune afflicts their rival, they rejoice.Brethren,
unfortunately we see today too often the same kind of attitude and behavior
spill over into the public discourse of politics, ethnicity, and religion.My dear brethren of the priesthood, my beloved fellow disciples of the
gentle Christ, should we not hold ourselves to a higher standard? As priesthood
bearers, we must realize that all of God’s children wear the same jersey.
Our team is the brotherhood of man. This mortal life is our playing field. Our
goal is to learn to love God and to extend that same love toward our fellowman.
We are here to live according to His law and establish the kingdom of God. We
are here to build, uplift, treat fairly, and encourage all of Heavenly
Father’s children. BYU fans shouldn't you practice what
If the worse thing in life, was a defeat for the Cougars, and Utes, we'd
be more than ok.Ease up foks!
ClarkWG"Notre Dame has won 11 national championships and Utah
has won 24 conference championships."Do you honestly believe
that anybody living outside the crimson bubble cares about Rocky Mountain and
Skyline conference championships, most with only 4 or 5 conference wins? Not ONE of Utah's 18 pre-WAC conference champions was good enough
to be ranked and only one of them was good enough to be invited to a bowl.The truth is, Utah has only won 6 legitimate conference championships -
2 WAC, 4 MWC.
USNGarySchedules are not close. BYU has played one ranked team in
comparison five ranked teams Utah has played. Just because some of teams your
school have played have winning record, doesn't mean your schedule is
really difficult. You have to look at the teams schedule you have played to get
an indicator of good they're. If you flip the schedules, Utah is going to
bowl game and BYU stays home. BYU would lose to UCLA, Utah, USC, Oregon,
Stanford, ASU, AZ, and Oregon State. That equates to eight losses. Utah would
beat MTS, NEV, UVA, BYU, HOU, BOISE, IDAHO, GT, USU. Utah would have nine
wins.It doesn't take rocket science or Stanford education to figure this
out. Like I said before, the record argument is relative.
The bottom line is to win enough games to go bowling. The extra practice days
help the younger players prepare for the upcoming year. It allows the fans to
cheer for one more game during the holiday season. It helps in the recruiting to
some degree. Players that choose a school like the fact that a team has a shot
at a bowl game. Yes all teams would love to play for a national championship
team. The SEC only has so many scholarships for players to play for a title
shot. The rest of the teams try and do their best with what they have. Most
football games are scheduled 5 to 10 years out and no one knows what kind of
team they will be from now until then. The Utes and the Y are not where they
wanted to be when the season started. One goes to a bowl and one does not. One
completed an item on the bucket list and one did not. Does not matter who played
who nor who won or lost by how much. Comments are here for us to bug and rag on
each others team. San Francisco is nice in December.
Pathetic. Who cares about PAC 12 membership if we become the doormat? Three
years in and we have officially become the PAC 12 doormat (evidenced today by
our loss to the previous PAC 12 doormat, Washington State). I
thought we had turned a corner when we joined the PAC 12. Whit needs to go.
And Chris Hill needs to go. I wish I could say I am looking forward to
basketball season, but it looks like we will be the third (or fourth) best team
in the STATE again this year. What are we 0-7 against BYU over the last few
years in basketball? What gives? We need a change. Honestly, I
really don't see us beating Colorado based on our season so far. ONE win
in PAC 12 play...but hey, at least we have a really tough schedule...
USNGary San Diego, CAFear. The schedules are very close
to being competitive. Utah ranked #1 and BYU is 10. Can't say much
there.-----------------"You lie!"Your schedule is ranked #23 as of today. Your team is #24 and Utah #26.Source: Sagarin
Those of you wanting Whittingham's head may want to think about it.
Recruiting athletes against the other PAC teams is difficult enough. But if K.W.
is sent packing then U will also lose any insight and edge U had with LDS
athletes (in state or out of state). That being said there needs to
be an improvement somehow.
While there are plenty of classless fans on both sides of the BYU-Utah divide
posting on each other's stories to rub salt in wounds, I've seen many
BYU fans say they root for Utah whenever the teams don't play each other,
and to wish the Utes we'll in the past months. I honestly don' recall
any avowed Utes doing the same. This should not be a one-way street, should it
be? Would be happy to be corrected if I've missed some.
@ atl134If you want to believe in moral victories go right ahead.
But the fact is Utah is still losing and for the second straight year, not going
to a bowl game. Unacceptable! Thanks for pointing out the games we won! But lets
also not forget the games we lost which should have been wins: Oregon State,
UCLA, and ASU at home. I believe Arizona and Washington State were winnable road
games that we lost. In those 5 losses, a combination of bad defensive schemes or
poor QB play lost it for us.My comment about Whitt's failures
in developing QB's still stands. I'm not blaming the coaching for the
injuries. Blame is assigned for not having the second string QB in a condition
and mindset to perform sufficiently. While it's true that QB's differ
in their natural skill sets and the coach can't be held accountable for
that, it's also true that coaching can manipulate a player's natural
talent to some degree. So, yes, the coaches do seem to have failed at having the
backup QB sufficiently prepared. It all comes down to, are you
satisfied with mediocrity? I'm not!
So BYU's went down, by everyone's logic, both utah and BYU would be
undefeated with FSU's and Alabama's schedule. Go figure
@jazzer,Spot on. Both of our teams are not doing too well right now.
Both teams game play has been almost agonizing to watch this year. I don't
know if it is our fan bias or something else, but I think both fanbases feel
like their teams just need a little extra push to get over the hump. For BYU, getting wins over Wisc and ND would have shown that we are ready to
be the team that independence needs to get the proper exposure. For
UTAH, they have had issues at quarterback but seem to just fall short otherwise.
They are almost there.Too much bashing on each other trying to feel
like we are superior. I guess Utah beats us more...
@ Uteanymous"Do you honestly believe that anybody living outside
the crimson bubble cares about Rocky Mountain and Skyline conference
championships, most with only 4 or 5 conference wins?"Yes! The
same reason Y fans care about their WAC championships. They're both just as
legitimate. "Not ONE of Utah's 18 pre-WAC conference
champions was good enough to be ranked and only one of them was good enough to
be invited to a bowl" Dude! There was very few bowl games played
back then and no conference tie-ins. If there were as many bowl games in the
70's and 80's as there were before the WAC. Utah would be going
bowling as conference champions. "The truth is, Utah has only
won 6 legitimate conference championships - 2 WAC, 4 MWC"Since
you don't consider the Rocky Mountain and Skyline conference championships
legitimate. Then the WAC and the MWC are not legitimate conference championships
either! There are 5 legitimate conferences in college football: ACC, Big 12, Big
Ten, PAC-12, and SEC. The rest are mid major conferences! Neither
BYU or Utah have legitimate conference championships or if the WAC and MWC are
legitimate, so is Rocky Mountain and Skyline conferences.
Following an article on Utah football you can bank on the following:1 -
Chris B will predict a Utah victory.2- Chris B will be wrong most of the
time if Utah is playing a PAC 12 team.3- The same Y fans will make the
same posts about how bad Utah is. Seems they car more about the red team losing
than the blue team winning.4- The fans mentioned above will claim their
team is superior, reference a bowl game and show their jealousy over inclusion
in a big 5 conference.5- More than half of the comments won't really
have any relevance to the article, are designed to irritate the fans of the
other team, and have become really annoying.6- There will be an article on
BYU football and all of the above will apply (except Chris B may predict a Y
loss and still be wrong most of the time).Ignoring all the standard
posts, Utah is better this year but still doesn't show up on the road and
isn't able to win (yet) in the conference with the current group of coaches
OK, you win! How's this? I hate the hatred that the rivalry generates and
hope that BYU never plays Utah again in ant sport!
UteologyDespite Utah's #1 SOS and BYU's #23 SOS
(BYU's 2013 SOS is stronger than any schedule Utah has ever played, prior
to this season), the latest BCS standings show a much great disparity: #40 BYU (28, 35, 31, 36, 33, 39 - 33.75)#59 Utah (62, 67, 48, 70, 42, 58
- 58.75)(Sagarin, Colley, A-H, Billingsley, Massey, Wolfe - CPU Avg)
Hey ThomasJefferson,Some how I missed your earlier post. Thanks for
the congrats! I know this Saturday could be a challenge. You never know in a
rivalry game. Sometimes the lesser team wins. I know BYU fans know all about
that. Should be a fun game!
Moderators won't let you say storm the field? wow
CougarSunDevilPhoenix, AZHey ThomasJefferson,Some
how I missed your earlier post. Thanks for the congrats! I know this Saturday
could be a challenge. You never know in a rivalry game. Sometimes the lesser
team wins. I know BYU fans know all about that.-------------Hold on Sun Devil wannabe, 9 of the last 12 is sometimes? On what
planet is a 75 winning percentage sometimes? Sorry, but what BYU
fans know all about is being OWNED.
@uteology"what BYU fans know all about is being OWNED."*yawn* old news uteology. What BYU fans know all about right now is that
they get to watch their team in a bowl game, again, in a few weeks. What utah
"fans" like yourself know all about is staying home, just like your
team, for the bowl season while "frantically and emotionally" trying to
convince BYU fans how good utah really is, except for all the losing of course.
You can continue to try to make that "point" all next month
and all through the offseason if you'd like, I'll enjoy my time in San
Francisco and the offseason having attended another bowl game. LOL!
@ Uteology:When USNGary made his comment about BYU's schedule
being the 10th toughest in the country, the new Sagarin rankings hadn't
come out. They change every week, based on which teams win and lose. But to say
he lied, is low and classless. He was spot-on when he posted. @
MyPerspective:To say that Utah never loses to BYU is absurd. Before
the current streak, BYU beat Utah 3 of the 4 previous games. So even by your
funny definition, it's very much a rivalry. How else would you explain Ute
fans literally storming the field whenever they win in SLC.@ Clark W
Griswold:You are grasping at straws to count Rocky Mtn and Skyline
conference results. Like most football fans, I'd never even heard of those
conferences before. And by way of comparison, The WAC and MWC are each still in
existence and with occasional top-10 teams. The same can't be said of the
aforementioned conferences... which makes your comparison pretty poor.@ FEARCARDTREE:You lost a lot of credibility by saying BYU has a
weak schedule. It's in the nation's top 20%.Not as hard as
Utah's, but definitely not "weak" by any standard.
Anybody who spent more than 30 seconds posting their comment, needs to realize
how low they've stooped. People are grasping at straws over which mediocre
team gets more props?!Neither is a top 5, top 10, top 15, top 20,
top 25 football program! Here's to hoping things get shaken up around this