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Utah football: Utes will burn Conner Manning's redshirt year if Adam Schulz goes down

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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    Schulz did ok last week, much better than expected in my book but this ongoing drama of backup QBs, injuries, etc. is unbelievable.

    Wow, the possibility of burning a redshirt during one of the last two games of the year against WAZZU or Colorado.

    Just when you think things couldn't get any worse... they could.

    What a continuing coaching mess this has become for the Utes.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:04 p.m.

    sammyg

    "What a continuing coaching mess this has become for the Utes."

    Oh sammy ... always trying to twist something into being something it's not. Please enlighten us all on how Wilson suffering a concussion and finding out he had a pre-existing medical issue, has anything at all to do with coaching.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Kyle Whittingham - the quarterback whisperer.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    So what's the big deal? Wilson, a sophomore, is injured but may return next year. Behind him we have a sophomore backup, 2 redshirt freshman and Chase Hansen in the wings. All of them quality players, btw. It's not like The Utes are going to run out of quarterbacks any time soon.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    @motorbike

    I'll tell you how it is. First of all whittingham has under recruited, and under valued, the position for years. The reason there is no acceptable 3rd qb is because of coaching blundering. Also whittingham did in fact tell us that utah has "two upper echelon pac12 qb's" when in fact they don't even have one "upper echelon" guy.

    It is also on whittingham that he hired a 21 year old qb coach with zero experience and based on the "progress", or lack of it, by utah's qb's the last several seasons it is pretty easy to deduce that that was a very poor decision. Once again a coaching blunder.

    yes I know guys have gotten hurt but if there were enough guys on scholarship that had been properly coached it would not be the dire situation it currently is. Yes it is tough to lose your starter but what utah is going through is far worse than what most schools would go through if they lost their starter.

    Evidence? usu this year, they've got a pretty good guy, BYU last year, Lark did a good job, osu last year with Vaz.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Ed Grady,

    There is nothing in this article to indicate that Kyle is a "quarterback whisperer". The 2 most successful Ute quarterbacks in recent years were recruited by Ronnie Mac and coached by Andy Ludwig. Please expand on your comment. Or are you just trying to be disruptive?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    duck,

    Although your not entitled, I'm going to tell you how it is. First of all, it's undisputable that Wilson was on the road to becoming an "upper echelon" quarterback before his medical problems started. The backups are unproven, we don't know that they're not "upper echelon".
    Utah's backups would also prove to be "a pretty good guy" and do "a good job", given byu and USU's schedule. I don't understand your criticism of Whittingham. The fact is, that when the time comes, his replacement will be a superior coach that will continue to dominate the state and improve the Utes standing in the PAC 12.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    @ekute

    I don't care who utah's coach is, whittingham or someone else, utah is what they are. The geography they inhabit is not going to change. Their budget as it relates to the rest of the pac12 is not going to change. The quality of their recruiting is not going to change, in large part because of the first two things I listed.

    While I would expect utah to occasionally have some better seasons than they are currently having it will be few and far between and will depend on some outside factors. For instance other teams in the pac12 will have to have down years. Teams like usc, stanford, asu, oregon, etc. will all have to have down years simultaeously for utah to find itself anywhere near the top of the pac12 because they are always going to have better talent than utah will have.

    Whatever it is that makes you think utah is going to be much more than they are is a real mystery. I suppose it is simply your desire as it is not based on any sort of logic. Good luck with it but I'm positive you are going to be disappointed.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    motorbike & ekute,

    Don't you know that sammy and duck's comments are coming from a position of strength with such stellar QBs on their side such as Heaps, Nelson and Hill who have gone a collective 0-4 against the Utes. Not to mention that Hill's QB rating at 120 is so much better than Wilson's at 130.

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    Sammy G and Ducky are just sore because Ute fans don't want their quarterback to go down every year and are disappointed when it happens. BYU fans spend all year hoping their quarterback will go down so the "beloved" backup can play.

  • Utefan4Lyf West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Duckhunter:
    Actually you are incorrect right out of the gate. Our budget as it relates to the PAC 12 will increase next year, with a larger share of the television proceeds. While we won't be as well funded as Oregon or Stanford or USC, it does help.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    These continuing quarterback injuries are awful, but the U is prepared with a backup, and backups for our backup.

    I understand these byu 'fans' desperately want to spin Travis' pre-existing condition as a coaching issue. If my rival's coach was handing me an annual beat down, I'd want him gone too.

    Who's your daddy?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    Utefan4Lyf,

    duckhunter's courage begins to build every November when BYU enters that grueling part of their schedule to face:

    2013
    Bye
    Idaho State
    Nevada

    2012
    Bye
    Idaho
    New mexico State

    2011
    Bye
    Idaho
    New Mexico St.
    Hawaii

  • Staythecourse Ogden, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Lets take a pop quiz today

    What is the U of U known for in the Whittingham era?

    a. Having a quarterback problem every year?
    b. chest pounding about being in a BCS elite conference?
    c. Having a great Defense, but changing O coordinators every year?
    d. Having an overconfident and irrational troll?
    e. Going on 2 maybe 3, 4 or 5 straight years without a bowl game
    f. All of the above

    Whit will get fired next year.

    Mark it down.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    U 90
    Corona, CA

    And don't forget that they both went to Provo High where it would appear the Coach was taking someone's lunch money (the Duck's).

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    @ekute -

    "Wilson was on the road to becoming an "upper echelon" quarterback..."

    Just how many picks must one throw to be "upper echelon"?
    Did he have some good outings? Yes.
    But any kind of road he was on seemed like he was driving fast AWAY from your "upper echelon" status.

    So, it is very disputable as to how good he was.

  • Staythecourse Ogden, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    @U90

    Um, do you not know how to read a schedule or did you just conveniently leave out Notre Dame on the 2013 schedule. Last time i checked Notre Dame is squeezed between ISU and Nevada.

    IF i did what you did regarding scheduling , i would say, too bad Utah didn't play Stanford this year.

    OH, and you left the bowl games out too, which i don't blame you since you have forgotten what it's like to be in one.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    @ U90
    I cheer for the Utes and the Cougs.
    BYU has had terrible November slates since going independent.
    Mocking this years slate is a little weak.
    BYU is or has played Wisconsin and Notre Dame in November.
    The Utes will play Oregon and ASU two good teams and then Wazzu and Colorado not really much better than the Nevada team that BYU is playing later this month.
    If you are going mock a schedule at least be cognizant enough to display all the games in your argumentative time frame.
    Utah has typically played the bottom rung of the Pac-12 in November since joining, this year being the exception (but does it really matter if you are not winning what the schedule is)
    Please have a good enough argument that when you post about it you do not omit obvious contradictory facts.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    I don't care who utah's coach is, whittingham or someone else, utah is what they are. The geography they inhabit is not going to change. Their budget as it relates to the rest of the pac12 is not going to change. The quality of their recruiting is not going to change, in large part because of the first two things I listed.

    -------------

    Your annual trip to Tulsa is not going to change.

    Everything else is debatable.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    Why would you burn a year of eligibilty for your star prospect if your team has nothing to win? The program and the athlete are better served by keeping him on the bench. I've been going to games there for 40 years, and like most of the fans, will be back next year whether we win or lose the last 2 games.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 19, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    Why do U only look at November schedule? Let's also look at December schedule.

    2012 December schedule
    BYU vs SDSU
    Utah - Bye

    2013 December schedule
    BYU vs Washington (according to most predictions)
    Utah - Bye (according to most predictions)

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    Staythecourse & BeSmart,

    The point of my post was to point out the dreadful teams BYU plays every November. I'm not disputing there is an occasional decent team thrown in the mix.

    It's interesting to see how quiet BYU fans are after the predictable loss to Utah each year, and then how confident they become on these threads after the Y beats up on it's annual feast of cupcakes in November. Heck, duckhunter goes from hiding out in Tulsa in September to setting a record number of posts on Utah articles in November. While Colorado and Washington St. are not world beaters, they're certainly nowhere near as dreadful as Hawaii, Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State etc. If you want to talks SOS, Utah #1, BYU #24.

    There's no disputing that BYU has had a much easier schedule over the past 3 years, but by the end of November Y fans have forgotten this little fact in addition to the annual loss to the Utes. But hey, none of that really matters right, Y fans obsessed with all things Utah should flood the Ute threads after those impressive November wins over teams like Idaho State.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    CFIT,

    In case you didn't catch on, I was explaining why some BYU "fans" become so over confident in November that they step up the smack talk despite the fact that the Y owns a weaker schedule and a loss to the Utes. If you want to talk broader schedules, then lets looks at the season to date... Utah #1, BYU #24.

    By the way, do you have any 2014 basketball predictions for us... say like Carlino, Haws and Mika averaging 70 pts per game?

  • Rez Road Shiprock, NM
    Nov. 19, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    @ Duck hunter
    It seems like everything you say is opinion. I can handle that. I don't read it as fact.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    A walk on QB as your plan 'B' and two redshirts is not much of contingency plan is it after 3 years?

    Utes deserve this mess as much as they love their coaches for setting up this dismal QB scenario for the third year in a row.

    Yes, no one can predict a Qb's demise or injuries but being in a position to have to burn a redshirt is one thing, having a walk on QB is another.

    Maybe Schulz will do Ok, maybe he will survive, maybe the redshirt won't have to be used but being in this position is preventable and good grief, it's not like this hasn't happened before.

    I guess you guys like this stuff huh? Or is it that you just hate to be reminded of the insanity of having to deal with this another season?

    It is a coaching mess in and of itself, separate from the other messes.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    I am really enjoying this thread, especially the way I've got u 90 so "frantic and emotional" LOL!

    ute "fans" please tell me why utah will ever be consistently better than they currently are? Other than you really, really want them to be what is it that makes you actually think they will be?

    Like I said they will occasionally have decent years but what is it about the university of utah that is going to attract recruits over just about any other school in the conference other than maybe wsu and colorado? And honestly most would probably prefer Boulder and its closeness to denver over slc.

    I know that the truth of this is almost to hard for you to bear, I know that you guys really, really want to be good. I understand you think that kids are just dying to come and freeze half the year in a racially homogenous state just because you happen to be a "fan" and really, really want them to. But it just isn't reality. Sorry.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    sammy,

    Ute fans like the QB mess about as much as BYU fans like Virginia fiasco or annual guaranteed loss to Utah. How's that view from your glass house?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:13 p.m.

    cont'd

    motorbike

    "...Please enlighten us all on how Wilson suffering a concussion and finding out he had a pre-existing medical issue, has anything at all to do with coaching."

    Leave to a Ute with reading comprehension problems to twist my comments into something they are not.

    Please enlighten us all where I mention anything about Wilson's medical condition to poor coaching.

    The article was about burning a redshirt and my 'keen' observation that your team has a QB backup problem that seems to perpetuate itself from season to season to season.

    Duh

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    sammyg

    Sorry but it's you that has the comprehension issues. You've still failed to explain how Wilson's previously unknown pre-existing head trauma relates to poor coaching.

    Outside of a few BYU fans, the rest of the world seems to understand that sometimes you're simply dealt a bad hand.

    If you really want to say Whittingham has done a poor job with the quarterback situation then by all means point back to the recruiting process from a few years ago. But since then Utah has been busy stocking the cupboard. Utah currently has three young but talented QBs behind Schulz and another talented HS QB committed.

    Burning a redshirt is not a matter of bad coaching, it would simply be bad timing. If Travis Wilson would've had this issue after the first two games of the season then "burning" Manning's redshirt season wouldn't have been as big of a deal due to the amount of experience he'd gain from playing most of the year.

    So yeah, it's a matter of bad timing and has absolutely nothing to do with bad coaching. But keep spinning for the sake of spinning.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    Yeah, BYU has a proven history of all star backups. Matt Berry, Todd Mortensen, and Brett Engemann sure all did a bang-up job shuffling around. And that near record-breaking day Lark had, you didn't even mention that it was against the vaunted New Mexico State defense! And that was before playing so well against San Diego State that coaches were forced to pull him just to set up the Kyle Van Noy show.

    How could one compare Brett Ratliff, who couldn't even manage to spend more than 6 years on NFL rosters, to any of them? Or Jon Hays, who could only manage a 2:1 touchdown to interception ratio and a 7-5 record in two half seasons?

    See how nicely selective memory works?

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 12:14 a.m.

    Sammy,

    We have a backup, and backups for our backup.

    Wilson's pre-existing condition is sad, the timing is unfortunate, and your attempt to twist this into a coaching oversight is a pathetic way to deal with the sting of losing to the Utes year after year after year.

    Worry about your own coaches, they can't ever seem to beat ours.

    You look more desperate than usual.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 20, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    In the midst of the usual childish back and forth, I would like to ask a sincere question to those of you who are critical of Coach Whittingham for the current quarterback situation:

    What should he do if Schulz gets hurt?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    @stg

    Yea the utes are stellar at qb, top to bottom, have been for the last 5 seasons. Great point.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    This team Stinks period. They just can't get it done!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    @ U90
    I acknowledged the fact that BYU's schedule has been weaker.
    But as someone who cheers for both of these schools it is quite obvious that the U has regressed as the season has continued (I think this is mainly due to injuries) and as they currently stand the odds predictors would probably favor BYU (as has been the case the lat 3 year) Utah is a good team that knows how to dominate the series with BYU.
    BYU is 7-3 against the toughest schedule (the coaches claim this 2004 was much tougher) in history and 24th in the nation only 6 teams have more wins than BYU with that tough of schedule. That is very respectable in my opinion. Utah has 4 wins against the toughest schedule in the Nation which is also respectable.
    According to Sagarin the strength of schedule and the amount of victories BYU lines up with LSU and Utah lines up closest to Florida.
    Both these programs are showing that they are decent programs this year.
    To BYU and Utah fans let's be happy with that.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    BYU's list of backup QBs also includes Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco, Ty Detmer, and Taysom Hill.

  • bano SANDY, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    Utah has played the number one rated schedule so far this season. Sagerin has Utah ranked 26 in the country. Utah is one of only two teams in the top 50 with a losing record. Florida is the other. Utah is 2-5 versus the top 30. NOBODY except Stanford who has played 6 top 30 teams has played anywhere near the 7 Utah has played. By comparison Ohio State and Florida State have played 1 top 30 team. Alabama has played 3 and byu has played 3.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Nov. 20, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    bano

    In the BCS standings, which include all of the factors you cited, SOS, wins and losses versus Top 50, as well as a factor you didn't bother to mention, overall record:

    #39 BYU(7-3) - computer average 28.75
    #52 Utah(4-6) - computer average 52.5

    btw, Sagarin ranks BYU's SOS at #24, BETTER than any schedule in Utah's history, prior to this season.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    motorbike / truthsandwich

    Reading my comments and attributing Wilson's injuries to poor coaching is your nice little imagination running away. You guys suggested it, not me. LOL

    It's sad that Ute fans have to make up stuff for a conversation these days.

    Maybe instead of getting frantic and emotional over these QB issues maybe some holiday downtime planning is in order.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    Swoop, those were all starters. Yes, of course nearly all starters started their careers as back-ups. Weak comeback.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    Who is running this team? 3rd year in a row of poor QB management and not being ready for the rigors of the Pac12 season. Whitt may have been a good MWC but the writing is on the wall as a HC in the Pac12.

    Isn't Weber St looking for a new HC?