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Kathleen Parker: The White House mess

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  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    The single best remedy is repeal. Americans want liberty, not forced equality. Obamacare is a pretense at both, achieving neither. We need to get rid of it.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    "....Republicans oppose Obama's policies, not the man, because they believe the president will so inexorably change the structure of our social and economic system by mandating and punishing human behavior that nothing less than individual freedom is at stake...."
    ______________________________

    I was getting frustrated wondering how long it would take Kathleen Parker to get around to saying what she was trying so hard not to say in her previous two columns on the subject. Thanks, Kathleen, but most of us already knew all of that.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    'Is Obama doing things legally?'

    The ACA withstood scrutiny from the Supreme court.

    How many times are we going to ask a ridiculous question, when we already know the answer?

    Oh, wait. Some people just want a different answer.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    The irony of the ACA is it's attributes are becoming more popular and supported while BO's favorability trends in the other direction. The ACA is not the most efficient way to provide health care to the masses (Medicare, Medicaid are)but it's purpose will not only survive but strengthen as time goes on. As Bob Dylan sang "the times they are changing".

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    When Parker alludes to punishing human behavior, she's referring to the individual mandate which is an idea Barack Obama borrowed from Mitt Romney. Mitt himself has been less than convincing in explaining why an idea he deemed good for Massachusetts is bad for America. I doubt that Kathleen Parker wants to even go there. But at least she's coming clean about the real reason for the GOP position, and it's not the website and other problems with the roll out. The Republicans are opposed in principle with any national healthcare program.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Will ACA survive?? Let's hope and pray NOT! This past week some Democrat's who are up for re-election in 2014 are defected to join with the GOP to amend the law and FORCE Barack's promise (if you like your insurance you can keep it) to be kept..and not just for a years time. It's sad - REALLY SAD - that we have to write new laws to FORCE the president to keep his promises. Very telling of the times we live in. I keep hearing from Democrats how we can't scrap the law and start over because that would mean abandoning the FEW good things in the law such as pre-existing conditions and children covered til age 26 on the parents plan. I agree that both of these issues are good and should be addressed in a new law but to suggest we keep 20 thousand pages of regulations full of the ugliest laws imaginable just to save two or three good ones is ridiculous. I have heard proposals of a series of new laws - replacing ACA - which create new health savings accounts and other free market innovative solutions. Time to scrap the ACA!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    If & Pagan: The ultimate question has nothing to do with the particulars of this legislation. For those who believe in liberty and freedom, the issue is much,much broader. That is why it doesn't matter whether you like all of Obamacare or none of it. It has nothing to do whether a Democrat or Republican is in office, whether black, latino, caucasion, male or female. It matters not whether their is poor in calcutta, abortions in Zambia, or slavery in Somalia. It matters not whether you support Gay marriage, polygamy, or Miley Cyrus. It doesn't matter if you want to call me (us) uncaring, unforgiving, or apathetic. I could care less whether you think the minimum wage should be $7:50 an hour or $100.00, whether you want a law banning coal fired plants or hair dryers, whether houses should be made of wood or refabricated paper from peru. If in any of those things, and a host of others, government infringes upon liberty and is acted upon by cowardly politicians, it will never get my support. It is that simple. Far from being an anarchist, America can do much better. Repealing Obamacare is just a beginning.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Let us not overlook some factors impeding success of the ACA.

    Republican-led states refusing to develop their own exchange system, (ironic since Republicans demand states rights)
    Republican-led states refusing to expand Medicaid.

    Insurance companies cancelling ACA compliant health plans in order to sell more expensive plans--something largely unreported in the media.

    Overtime the kinks will be worked out, more people will sign up for ACA and will be pleasantly surprised.

    If not, we risk returning to the status quo--millions without insurance, medical bankruptcies, higher mortality rates.
    OR
    Single-payer which is what we should've done to begin with. Insurance companies continue to prove themsleves putting profit over people any way they can.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    There was no way to tell exactly how "open enrollment" would go with such an undertaking (insuring the countries uninsured). The glitches that have happened couldn't be totally planned for. Keep in mind that an uninsured person has until December 15 to become insured by January 1, 2014. Also, a person has until March to be insured by the end of March.
    There are accusations that people were lied to about being to keep their own plan. Yes, in theory a person can. But if the insurance company decides to cancel a person, that says more about the insurance company doing it than it says about the ACA. The ACA is designed to make things fair for the insured person and if an insurance can't keep the requirements, then the insured probably should change to a plan that qualifies (no pre-existing condition, no caps and so forth). Also now, people can keep a canceled plan for a year while they try and find a better plan. These plans were canceled because they do not keep ACA requirements.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    There are people here that want to "get rid" of it. This is not going to happen. The good rules within the ACA helps people so they don't go bankrupt because of denials and so forth and has been going for going on three years. And in my case, it helps a person get health insurance in the first place. The people that are already insured under a group plan are fine, but it's those of us that got denied for pre-existing conditions on a personal plan that this affects. There were very few cancelled plans and they were because they were not keeping the good and fair requirements of the ACA. Now those people can keep them and shop around for better plans. As for me, I will get a plan for the first time in seven years.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    'America can do much better.'

    Then by all means.

    Tell me what the Republican alternative is.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    @Pagan "...withstood scrutiny from the Supreme court."

    That's not what she's talking about. The question is whether Obama has legal authority to ignore the effective dates of provisions of the law. Congress set those dates, and the Constitution demands that the president see that laws are faithfully executed. Yet he has unilaterally postponed the employer mandate for a year, and now proposes the same for the individual mandate.

    Some say that he can ignore the law in order to protect it from its own stupidity. Others say he can't. That's the legal question.

    @Truthseeker "Single-payer..."

    What would that solve? It wouldn't suddenly enable Obama to build and run a website. It wouldn't make the outsized list of mandatory benefits any smaller. It wouldn't bestow upon Obama the ability to administer government, when he's never run anything besides an election campaign. It wouldn't magically make him truthful.

    We'd be out of the frying pan, into the fire.

    @Kimber

    Obamacare is driving insurance companies to drop non-compliant plans. They didn't just wake up one morning and decide to do it.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    is Obama doing things legally? Is this a SERIOUS question?

    Of Course not, when has this guy ever done things legal?

    Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Drones, Spying, QE1, QE2, QE3, Obamacare, Egyptian military strike, Black Panthers intimidating little old white lady voters......there is nothing this President wont stoop to, to carry out his crooked ideology!

    IMPEACH OBAMA

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Don't confuse universal health care with the ACA. The ACA is a flawed program run by incompetent bureaucrats and perpetuated by serial lies. There is little wonder that it is failing. Mr. Obama believes in his heart that if something good is to be done, only the government can do it, or to quote his campaign rhetoric about success, "You didn't do that, the government did."

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    re:Kimber

    Parts of the law may benefit you but there are millions that are getting destroyed by this new law. Should we keep the law for you and ignore the millions who are suffering? Perhaps we should just pretend that there aren't any suffering Americans as you suggested or that it's all their (the peoples) fault? People like yourself on the left never cease to depress me.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    @Patriot
    How are millions being destroyed by this new law? I know that some people(mainly those who are self insured)lost their exact plan and have to purchase new ones. I also know that some plans will cost more(mainly going from a plan with little to no coverage to an actual insurance plan) but i'm curious how people have been destroyed?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    If & Pagan: The ultimate question has nothing to do with the particulars of this legislation. For those who believe in liberty and freedom, the issue is much,much broader. That is why it doesn't matter whether you like all of Obamacare or none of it. It has nothing to do whether a Democrat or Republican is in office, whether black, latino, caucasion, male or female. It matters not whether their is poor in calcutta, abortions in Zambia, or slavery in Somalia. It matters not whether you support Gay marriage, polygamy, or Miley Cyrus. It doesn't matter if you want to call me (us) uncaring, unforgiving, or apathetic. I could care less whether you think the minimum wage should be $7:50 an hour or $100.00, whether you want a law banning coal fired plants or hair dryers, whether houses should be made of wood or refabricated paper from peru. If in any of those things, and a host of others, government infringes upon liberty and is acted upon by cowardly politicians, it will never get my support. It is that simple. Far from being an anarchist, America can do much better. Repealing Obamacare is just a beginning.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    This president will veto any effort to drastically kill this legislation. Unless the GOP either gets elected to a veto proof majority in 2014 or wins the White House in 2016 the ACA will continue to be the law of the land. Currently the GOP and their policies have a much lower approval rating than BO or the Democrats, so the chances of that happening in the next 2 elections are slim. I fear the GOP will continue to pursue a path that only weakens their position and our country's further.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    With everything happening with health reform recently, I keep remembering this story from 2010. It’s a real tearjerker, but it reminds me why we are fighting every day to make sure that every American has access to health care. It’s worth a read.

    CINDY MERCER JONES -- March 19, 2010 11:25 am

    "My beautiful daughter, Courtney Leigh Huber was an insulin dependent diabetic who was kicked off her father's insurance the day she graduated from college. To try to conserve her insulin, she attempted to wean herself off her nighttime insulin dosage. She slipped into a coma and never woke up." (You can hear more heartfelt health care stories here.)

    This week, we got back in contact with Cindy to let her know how much her story motivates us all. Here’s what she said:

    It’s inspiring to know that Cindy -- because of all of your work -- won’t have to worry about her son being kicked off health insurance for having a pre-existing condition.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    @FT

    As the Obamacare fiasco unfolds, it will be the Democrats who beg for repeal. Many of them are losing hope of re-election already. They face the prospect of decades in the wilderness. Everyone knows who owns this mess.

    I don't doubt that the president will veto the repeal bill. (It's always all about him, you know.) The vote to override will be bipartisan and conclusive.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Nov. 19, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    @ Kimber: Be careful when trusting Obama's sob stories. Many of them contain lies or distortions. Some of these can be found in Michelle Malkin's November 6, 2013 column entitled "The White House Fable Factory." You can find it on Townhall. I recommend it to everyone, not just Kimber. Bottom line, Obama has a track record for telling lies to get his bills passed, and 6 of these sob stories that turn out to be not true are detailed in this column.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    "The ACA withstood scrutiny from the Supreme court.

    How many times are we going to ask a ridiculous question, when we already know the answer?"

    Obama was only able to bribe (yes, that is the best word) people to vote for it partly on the promise that Obamacare was NOT a tax. In other words, had he admitted it was a tax, it would not have passed. The Supreme Court ruled it was constitutional only IF it was a tax, after which Obama promised them that it was. The bottom line is that the promised healthcare law that Obama promised is not constitutional, and the "constitutional" healthcare law that was passed is not what people voted for.

    Then again, you can't blame the Democrats; they had to pass it to find out what's in it!

    RG is spot on with this remark: "Bottom line, Obama has a track record for telling lies to get his bills passed"

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:21 p.m.

    kimber: it is hard to talk politics when a touching story is used to validate policy. However, rather than allowing politicians the power, something they wholeheartedly want, to take over a sixth of our economy, would it not be much easier and a lot less contentious and problematic to take care of all the Cindy jones of the world much more effectively without ruining an economy. if that is what this is all about, I am absolutely positive that it can be done without implementing a law that will in the end result in many more deaths than what can saved by its implementation.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    I keep asking.

    What is the Republican alternative.

    Someone mentioned a plan, in committee.

    Bush had x8 years to solve this problem and did nothing.

    It's 2013.

    Into Obama's 2nd term.

    When your party, only has 'solutions' when other people actual create solutions…

    you are a day late, and a dollar short.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    My son-in-law just told me that in order for him to keep his family insured with the same coverage he now has, his premium will double and his deductible will go from $10,000/year to $12,000/year. He is forced to pay for maternity insurance even though he and his three sons don't need it. His wife (my daughter) is not going to have any more children and his 4 year old daughter doesn't need it either. These are the real facts that can't be obscured by a pseudo apology from an slick and dishonest politician. Millions of other Americans will get the same deal as my daughter's family. Even if President Blame kicks the can down the road for another year, the consequence will be the same. And many, many workers who really need the money and insurance will have their hours cut to under 30 hours/week so the employer wont have to pay for their insurance. So poor people will bring home less money and won't have insurance. Now, who is this going to help? Will enough people benefit to counterbalance those who are frustrated with the unfairness of the act.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Nate and others.

    We already had a single payer program for the uninsured. It was called government paid the bills. No one was being denied health care if they weren't insured. Medicade or some government run state program paid the cost. In other words, we the taxpayer. Even illegal immigrant women who crossed the border and delivered a baby 5 hours later in Texas, Arizon, California ect. were taken care of. What should not have happened is this ACA mess with the health plans already held by a majority of the citizens. Fix the stuff broken, but leave what is not broken alone. Obamacare didn't do that. It threw the baby out with the bathwater.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Pagan

    In answer to your question, if the American people elect a Republican President and a super majority Republican Congress in 2016, maybe we will find out the Republican health plan. You see Pagan, it will need to be passed before you can know what is in it.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    'In answer to your question, if the American people elect a Republican President and a super majority Republican Congress in 2016, maybe we will find out the Republican health plan.'

    So, once again…

    no solutions.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    Pagan,

    Of course you are not going to hear about a Republican alternative. The media telling us the alternative does not serve the Democrats, so they won't mention any alternative.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:13 a.m.

    Truthseeker
    your attempts to blame Republicans for Obama's failure is amazing