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Mike Sorensen: It's OK if Runnin' Utes play weak schedule, but they should at least face more local schools

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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 8:33 p.m.

    Ya, and fans other weak coast conference teams made fun of Utah's schedule last year too and guess what, Utah had MORE top 100 rpi wins than both byU and Usu.

    So either our schedule wasn't that bad last year(since we won more top 100 rpi games than byu or usu) or those teams are just totally inept at ever beating any good teams.

    The SEC schedules non-AQ nonconference nobodies in football. And they still have amazingly difficult schedules.

    Not everyone has the "luxury" of having Pepperdine, Pacific, and Santa Clara several timss a year in conference play!

    LOL

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 17, 2013 8:35 p.m.

    "So why doesn't Utah play these in-state schools?

    It basically comes down to being afraid to lose."

    BINGO!

    The Utes know that Utah State and Weber State would pulverize the Utes, and Utah Valley and Southern Utah would be toss-ups.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Not everyone has such a wimpy program that they're forced to schedule first year NAIA basketball programs in order to have any chance at a winning record.

  • LeftCoastUte DANVILLE, CA
    Nov. 17, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    So, the article boils down to this:

    "I was understand why Utah is scheduling weaker teams, but I think they could do that and still make more of an effort to play local teams. I mentioned this to Chris Hill and Coach K and they seemed to agree."

    Barely enough content here for a tweet, but a heroic effort to stretch it out!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    I agree that the Utes should play more local teams. It would keep all of the money "in house" so to speak, and at the very least it would be more interesting to watch.

    Since all of the local teams, except SUU and Weber, are in different conferences it would be fun to set up a Thanksgiving tournament at ESA between the 8 local teams. Seeds could be based on where the teams finished ranked last season. 1 BYU vs. 8 Westminster, 4 USU vs. 5 Utah Valley. Other side of the bracket: 2. WSU vs. 7. DSU, 3. Utah vs. 6 SUU. Three wins and you're the champ. Second round losers meet in a consolation game for third place. Little schools get a chance to play against the big boys on a big stage and the big schools get a chance to boost their resume with some wins against pretty good teams if they put a couple wins together. Call it the Beehive Classic. I bet it would make a few bucks for everyone involved.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    LeftCoastUte:

    If all that it takes is a tweet to summarize your non conference schedule, it's a bigger indictment of the schedule.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    Utah's non-conference hoops schedule looks like BYU's football schedule with teams like Idaho and Middle Tennessee State. Come to think of it, it's not that much different from BYU's WCC basketball schedule either. I had never even heard of the WCC until BYU joined.

    Yet I don't see the columnist whining about BYU's weak scedules in every sport....

  • U-tah WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    Obviously you have never coached before. Here we have a program which has struggled for years. Now a great coach is instilling confidence in a young team. You don't need to look very far to see a BYU football team who just played in the 4A Idaho football tournament last week and that is the second to the last game of the year. Judge not that ye be not judged. Their conference schedule is brutal and this confidence could prove to help them when January roles around and BYU is playing UC Irving.

  • Jeff ls Farr West, 84404
    Nov. 18, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    For you Utah fans that just mentioned the Idaho St. game with BYU I would like to remind you that your first football game next year is with that same Idaho St. team. I think you should think before you engage your lips. I did see one comment that I have been saying for years. The holiday tournament at Energy Solutions involving USU, Weber St. U of U and BYU. It could be expanded down the road to a 3 night series of Thur thru Sat. I would schedule it as a donation tournament for the food bank. The schedule would be unknown and determined by lottery. You find out who you play and what time Friday morning of the first game. Games are on Friday and Saturday. It would sell out every year. The Jazz go on a road trip and the college game takes over the arena.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Jeff Is,

    For you byu fans that bragged about playing a good Wisconsin team, that Wisconsin team is the ONLY team currently ranked on your entire schedule. Meanwhile, Utah has played:

    Oregon top 10
    Stanford top 10(and we beat them)
    Arizona State top 20
    UCLA top 20

    So yes, in talking scheduling, you guys should think before you engage your lips

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    @2fer

    I like that idea as well but there are some issues that would need to be worked out. For instance I want to see BYU play utah and usu every year and in a tournament format there is no guaranty that would happen. The nice thing about basketball is that there are enough OOC games to accomadate those 3 schools playing each other each year. While I understand the football schedules may make it hard to do every single year, and I'm ok with that, the basketball schedules should make sure it happens.

    But perhaps a way can be devised that would allow the "all state" tournament and still guaranty all 3 play each other. I know utah seems to have less of a desire to play usu these days, not sure why, but at least to this point chris hill and Tom Holmoe have said they are committed to have utah and BYU play each other every year.

  • Cougsrock original Maricopa, Az
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    I think it is awesome what the Utes are doing. When the time comes to play BYU they will be so poorly prepared for tough competition they won't know what to do when Haws, Carlino, Collinsworth, Windsor, and Bartley blow by them all night long.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    The part of the schedule every team has complete control over is OOC. Utah gets plenty of tough play in the PAC but are they really preparing themselves for that with this OOC schedule? NOPE! I can see building your team's confidence or even padding it for the purpose of overall record but it's basically throwing in the towel on any post season play short of winning the conference tourney. No team with this schedule will get an at-large bid to anything. The Utes have had a hard time filling the Huntsman Center (except on gymnastics nights) so why not get a few more people in the seats with locals coming to see kids they know play? I believe it boils down to the risk of being embarrassed in an unforgettable way.
    Reminder-- this is a Bball article. There are plenty of people talking football schedules on those article with Utah playing one win Weber & ISU next season. Both BYU & Utah have had overall very solid schedules this year. That's a pot meet kettle conversation but not about Bball.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    @Chris B

    This article is about the Utes basketball schedule not the football schedule.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    The local teams are tougher then the Utes. It is sad that the Utes athletic department seem to have lost their courage to play good local teams in order to artificially increase the number of wins on their schedule.

    The move to the PAC-12 may have been too much for the Utes. Hopefully, this is a short-term situation, and the Utes' staff are able to develop at least the amount of courage that their players demonstrate on the field. Good luck Utes! I wish you well getting an AD that will challenge the players to a higher level, rather then dumbing down the standards.

    Go Cougs!

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    Cougsrock,

    Kind of like your team did last year at your place against a much worse Utah team. You barely hung on to win a close game. Yes, you did beat my UTES, but not in the manner than you all were croaking about last year after our weak schedule, and bad start.

    I am fine with playing some weaker teams in the non conference slate. Boylen wanted a tough schedule and to bring in great teams, and we all know how that ended up. Build confidence with this young team, and get them playing well as a unit before PAC 12 conference play starts. That is the only thing that really matters. Play well in conference, win 20 games, and try to win the conference tournament. That should be your goal.

    BYU's goal should be trying to beat Gonzaga, or St Mary's in the regular season, and not losing to a very bad San Diego team in the Church Ball League conferenc tournament.

    Utah will be fine, and Coach K is doing a great job, getting some GREAT recruits, and getting back to recruiting local players. Go Utes!

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    As an Aggie fan, I'm stoked to play the Utes next year. Let's keep it going for good! Don't be the rundown Utes, be the Runnin' Utes! Rise to the occasion and compete!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    CougFaninTX,

    And yet byu fan "Jeff is" is the first person to bring up Idaho State(football) into the conversation. Try to keep up.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Why are football schedules being brought up when the article is about basketball? Seriously, some people need to move on. Facts are facts. Utah has a very weak non conference schedule. Yes they play a couple tough teams in conference play (Oregon, UCLA, and Arizona). The rest of the Pac are good but not great teams. BYU has a few tough non conference games but nothing mind blowing. Conference wise, BYU plays a couple tough teams in Gonzaga and St. Mary's but other than that they are decent but not great.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    The real problem for the utes is that good programs are NOT going to put Utah on their schedule because it will lower their sos and will certainly not play Utah in SLC. If they even wanted to play Utah it they would demand that they play the utes at home or not at all. BYU only did it because they are local and it is a tradition.

    Anyone notice that nearly all of the teams that are scheduled are either NAIA or Div II schools at home. Coack K is doing the team a huge disservice with this schedule. The moment the utes come against a good team they will crumble under the pressure.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    @papsmearute

    There is nothing for you to say as far as basketball between these two schools, so what if utah just happened to keep one game close with BYU considering BYU has won 7 in a row and 11 of 12 most in beat down curb stomp fashion.

    I don't recall you reacting the same way after utah barely hung on to win a couple of the recent football games against BYU, and BYU football is far superior to utah basketball as far as what level of a program it is.

    The only thing I really want from utah "fans" is to end the hypocrisy, it probably won't happen but if by some chance you guys can quit being such hypocrites my personal discourses with you on these boards would be far more conversational and far less confrontational.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Cincy-- I have to take issue with your characterization of BYU OOC schedule this year. Rose has really stepped it up this year so his SOS will not be a question if looking for an at-large bid. All the sports media has recognized this and we should probably go their assessment over yours. Playing Iowa St. on Weds should tell us a lot about this year's Cougars as they just beat a ranked Mich. Just hoping Haws can play. Pretty sure we could all predict the results if the two teams were to trade OOC schedules.

  • Daved6 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    Utah's scheduling in basketball is embarrassing. Why they don't play Utah State and Weber STate is just completely idiotic.

    Oh well. I hope the Utes have a good year anyway. They have two chances to be tested before conference starts--BYU and Boise State. They are all they have on slate to give us an idea of what we have. The rest of the schedule is a joke.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    You're right Chris B. You have played some tough teams (how tough? Nobody knows. No one in the PAC12 really has a signature win outside of league play - unless you include the farse at ASU when they were given the game by the refs against Wisconsin.)

    The problem is that you have only won 4 games all year.

    It seems to me that you are more proud of the teams you play and really don't care about your record. Typical Ute mentality the past few years.

    Got you PAC12 flag flying in your front yard today?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    @Chris B
    You forgot top 25 USC.

    @Two for Flinching
    I love the state tournament idea. I think the point Duckhunter raises though about guaranteed matchups is what will keep it from happening.

    @Gone Fishin
    "The real problem for the utes is that good programs are NOT going to put Utah on their schedule because it will lower their sos and will certainly not play Utah in SLC."

    This isn't two years ago (when the depth of their failure was unpredicted by most except for a few like me who joked that Utah would never cover a spread... took them 9 games to finally do that), Utah isn't that bad now.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    See, Utah is really important now. They are in the same conference with Colorado. They are signing second tier players from Utah and losing to someone might make even that tough. They are probably working on recruiting in Chicago, Detroit, Philly and Newark. Until academic standards are lowered even more, these players may not be playing for the Utes. Playing a week schedule is probably really the best thing to do for the present. It's the big advantage of being in the PAC, fans will come just to see the PAC=12 logo on the floor. For the present, it does not matter who they will play. Unfortunately, playing such games is very common with major conference teams. I don't think it will change soon.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    You can flap your gums about Utah's schedule all you want. The proof is in the pudding, Utah had more top 100 rpi wins than both BYU and USU last year.

  • U-tah WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    Jeff 1s

    Your right the first football game of the year. That is called pre-season. Not the 10th or 11th game of the season. You know it is hard to get a game as an independent when you have to play your second to last game against Idaho State. You might get asked to joing the Big Sky next years. Good luck with your pre-season....all season long.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    @magna ute "fan"

    They also had more losses to teams ranked in the 200's and a losing record overall. And of course they lost, again, to BYU. Keep trying to spin it but you are failing.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Sounds to me, from your description, like they made a lot of progress of the course of the season. Thanks for sharing Duck "hunter"

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I don't care what anyone says, I am really excited to see the Utes play Box Elder again this year.

  • WSUfan Farmington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Interesting that even an article about why the U won't play other in-state teams turns into comments about BYU and Utah football. Since at least one Aggie has replied, I guess at least one Wildcat should chime in.

    Jason King of ESPN included the U on his TOP 10 worst non-conference D1 schedules to start the year. Why does Sorenson think that is OK to have a schedule that bad? Why do Ute fans justify it with comments about their football schedule? Really, it's pathetically embarrassing.

    There are around 350 D1 basketball schools (which seems to be real news to some who have commented here as they don't all play football) and that is not the Top 10 list you want to be on.

    As for Weber, we'd love to play the U, home and away, just like we did for 35 consecutive years. But traditional basketball games, and things like the good ole Beehive Boot, have been erased by the king of college corruption, BCS football.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    for your information ISU was a last minute replacement over Washington State who cancelled their contract with BYU after the cougars whipped them last year ,so before you post your hatred get the facts straight the utes scheduled them 2 or 3 yrs ago

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    This is the main reason Utah doesn't play Weber State anymore:

    December 22, 2011. Weber State 80, Utah 51.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    Magna Ute Fan:

    7 in a row, 11 out of 12, and 12-3 since Dave Rose became coach.

    Onward and Upward!

  • agb Layton, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    FelisConcolor
    North Salt Lake, UT
    'This is the main reason Utah doesn't play Weber State anymore:

    December 22, 2011. Weber State 80, Utah 51.'

    And yet we continue to get schedule smack from a fan base who has a coach who doesn't want to play Weber State and an AD who is afraid of USU.

    Amazing isn't it?

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    Three games into the season, BYU already had victories over two teams (Stanford and Weber St) that SI picks to make the tournament. Btw, they also pick the Y to make the tournament.

    Duke plays Kansas, Kentucky plays MSU...this is basketball where good teams play each other throughout the year, knowing that playing good teams makes your team better and also knowing that with a tournament large enough to include most good teams, there's no need to "hide" as happens so often in college football.

    Only when there is a sixteen team tournament in football will we see preseason #1 play #2 and #4 play #5 in the first week of the season as we see in basketball. Until then college football will continue to be an exhibition sport with a champion decided by voters and computers, not a true championship sport, with a champion decided on the field.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:29 p.m.

    Can someone explain to me why byu fans and the Deseret News care a hoot about Utah's preseason basketball schedule? What's the deal with all of you people? I just don't get it. Someone? Anyone??

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    So many off topic comments.

    The point of the article is whether or not Utah should schedule the instate teams rather than out of state teams of similar difficulty (or non-difficulty for that matter).

    Count me as one Ute fan that absolutely agrees these games should be against Utah schools.

    And for the record, I'm MOSTLY fine with the patsy OOC scheduling last year and this year ... however, I do think Utah needed a couple more road games and at least two more games against opponents similar in talent to a middle of the PAC 12 team.

    Next year I'll definitely expect to see a more challenging OOC schedule - and again, I'd certainly welcome more "local" opponents.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Oh the irony of weak b-ball schedules versus weak f-ball schedules. I just love hypocracy as displayed by the haters.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    motorbike, I agree that playing Utah schools makes perfect sense. Hill will probably schedule it that way next year. I don't agree that byu needs to be one of those schools, however. What I don't still don't get is the obsession byu fans have with who Utah plays. I just don't get it.

    Behind the Des News, byu fans act as if the Utes need their approval to schedule games. Do byu fans seriously believe the University of Utah is obligated to obtain a hall pass from the byu collective? Seriously??

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    @noperspective

    Please stow your hypocrisy away as it even embarasses me. utah "fans" have obsessed over BYU's independent football schedule for the last several years, commenting on it constantly. I can quote probably 100 of them in the last week alone. Having to take a little pay back is simply the way it is and your whining about it only makes you look foolish.

    That said BYU doesn't exactly need utah on their schedule either, in fact at this point in time utah diminishes BYU's schedule whereas BYU is the only decent OOC team utah even plays. This is purely a tradition, a couple of schools that have played each other for over a hundred years, in fact it is one of the top 10 most played and oldest rivalries in the country. It deserves to be played just for that fact regardless of the excellence (BYU) of one program and the atrociousness (utah) of the other.

    I can understand why you wouldn't want to play it though, 7 in a row, 11 out of 12, and an overall losing record in the rivalry will do that to a "fan"base. Sound familiar?

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Chris B's constant digs about only one current BYU football opponent being ranked ignore one important fact: schedules are made years in advance. If you schedule Texas, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Boise State, and even Utah 3-4 years down the road, you have every reason to think of that as a solid slate of games. The fact that those teams underperform in a particular year is not an indictment of the Y's schedule.

    And Texas is 6-1 in one of your precious BCS leagues, BTW. Just sayin'. They probably would be ranked if Taysom hill hadn't repeatedly left his cleat marks all over their foreheads on his way to the end zone.

    A lousy non-conf hoops schedule is harder to defend. Scheduling is easier and more flexible in basketball. I get a rebuilding Utah team not wanting to face national powerhouses before their admittedly difficult conference slate, but this set of games isn't just bad . . it's HORRENDOUS. Your best game by far is against BYU, who you always dismiss as weak, and after that it gets silly. Trying to think like a Ute, I don't think it's good for their program.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    "What I don't still don't get is the obsession BYU fans have with who Utah plays."

    Laughing out loud at the hypocrisy of that statement.

    EVERY BYU scheduling announcement is immediately inundated with critique from the BYU-obsessed kids on the hill.

    The truth is, Utah fans are privately embarrassed by the pathetically weak OOC schedules the Utes have had the last couple of years and are simply putting on a brave face in pretending that the Utes have any interest at all in playing teams like Evergreen State and St. Katherine's.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    "Please stow your hypocrisy away as it even embarasses me. utah "fans" have obsessed over BYU's independent football schedule for the last several years, commenting on it constantly."

    You should be embarrassed, Duck. byu's independent schedule lasts an entire season. Utah's preseason basketball schedule is exactly that...preseason. I haven't seen one comment from a Utah fan about how great Utah's basketball team is. Why? Because we just don't know at this point.

    Now, compare and contrast that conduct with how byu fans handle wins on their pathetically weak independent football schedule. LOL!

    Uteanymous
    "The truth is, Utah fans are privately embarrassed by the pathetically weak OOC schedules the Utes have had the last couple of years..."

    Actually, that isn't true at all. Every Utah fan on the planet knows and acknowledges the preseason basketball schedule is pathetically weak. We also know that Coach K has a strategy in place to continue the re-building of a once proud and dominant program. Utah fans are behind Coach K 100%. A challenging preseason schedule will be put in place when deemed appropriate.

    End of story.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    Basketball pre-season and pre-conference are two different things. With around 300 D-1 schools chasing less than 70 tournament slots, if all you worry about is your conference schedule, you'll never go dancing in March.

    But hey--it's hard for regional schools to be good in more than one major sport at a time.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    @Chris B - "Utah had MORE top 100 rpi wins than both byU and Usu."

    So I wonder why BYU got an invite to the post season and Utah stayed home? And no post season for football either, while BYU was bowling?. What is happening? The elite Utes can't even produce a winning record?

    And how are baseball and soccer going in the PAC? Oh, sorry to hear about that.

    I loved watching BYU win the NC in Rugby and compete for it in volleyball, and BYU women's soccer made a great run at the title also.

    Ah well, just hang onto your "Utah had MORE top 100 rpi wins" if that helps U sleep at night. P.S. how many wins was it? Lol

    As for me, overall wins, RPI and post season play help me sleep.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    @noperspective

    More hypocrisy. BYU football has played the 24th rated SOS in the nation, hardly "pathetically weak". In fact that is a better SOS than any utah has ever played up to this year. And after this week when utah plays a mediocre wsu and BYU plays Notre Dame utah's sos will drop and BYU's will rise and the gap will be even closer. You really are working hard to embarrass yourself. LOL!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 20, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    "Once January starts, they’ll play Pac-12 schools the rest of the way (you can argue that Majerus never played UCLA and Arizona at home in the same season, which the Utes do now)."

    In fact, we play both of these two ranked traditional powerhouses on the road, as well! Not to mention, two formidable teams home/away in current AP #32 asu/#37 cu, both likely equally Tourney-bound as aforementioned current AP #5 ua/#22 ucla home/away, as well as current AP #17 uo once.

    OOC schedule deliberately created as such, correlating w/Year 2 Coach LK's Restoration, including strength-level, finishing mid-conference PAC-12 standings conference tourney and we're unequivocal NIT-lock, at minimum.

    Exceeding expectations & finishing 4/5, we'd at minimum be a Tourney bubble-dwellar, w/opportunity to significantly raise our Tourney-stock through our conference tourney performance.

    Finally, '13/'14 SMU's down, rendering GU byu's sole obstacle to wcc championship. How utterly weak.

    Oh yeah, byu at home needed a game-ending miracle last season, in order to barely beat us by 3 points, as we were worse during Year 1 Coach LK Restoration. Guess what?

  • Pc12 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 1:01 a.m.

    Hmmm.... Forgot utah had a basketball team.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 20, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Duckhunter--

    "And after this week when utah plays a mediocre wsu and BYU plays Notre Dame utah's sos will drop and BYU's will rise and the gap will be even closer. You really are working hard to embarrass yourself. LOL!"

    Respective remaining opponents for both The U/byu and their current Sagarin Rating / Strength-of-Schedule Ranking--

    Washington State Sagarin Rating #34 / SOS #3

    Nortre Dame #42 / #36

    CU #81 / #10

    Nevada #109 / #71

    As you can readily see for yourself, Washington State rates / ranks higher than Notre Dame and Colorado rates / ranks higher than Nevada.

    Upon seeing these facts, how do you now believe The U/byu will be impacted in their respective numbers upon each playing against their two remaining opponents, respectively?

  • SSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    BYU has won 11 of the last 12 against Utah including 7 in a row.