I guess there must be some out there, but I move in a really wide circle of
people, a good number of whom are not restricted by religious guilt to discuss
topics of the world, and none of them, not one in my entire life, has ever shown
a hint of porn addiction. Indeed, most people want nothing to do with it, having
matured beyond the level of pubescent boys. This may just be my experience, but
the storm seems to be an attempt to whip up some fear by fervently stirring a
Everything is contagious.
Hutterite, you ARE uninformed. Most people won't talk about this problem,
often not even with their closest family members. Why would they share with
you? It doesn't take religious guilt for porn to have a negative impact on
lives. As soon as we decide to view humans as a commodity to be used for our
appetites we loose our humanity. The porn industry is no different than the
slave trade was years ago in that people used in that industry are not seen as
human beings, but rather objects - objects whose bodies are sold to make others
rich. That you believe grown men are not viewing porn really is uninformed.
Teens alone do not fuel this enormous industry.
I live in a 4 man apartment in BYU housing. Myself and 2 of my roommates are
attending 12 step meetings for pornography addiction, yet we pretty much all
feel awkward about disussing that information with each other to one degree or
another. The biggest problem facing the pornography storm is the stigmatization
of those who use pornography, and the resulting unwillingness to be open about
it. I feel like sometimes it would be way more acceptable for me to be addicted
to pain pills in certain circles, even though pornography is way more common for
members of the church.
Online porn may well be one of the worst threats to young Americans. I know two
people who are middle school counselors. Both firmly believe that nearly 100%
of all eighth grade boys have at least had some experience with online porn (and
perhaps 80% of girls). How many of those kids have or may become hooked? Because
Utah laws prohibit teachers from speaking frankly and asking questions of
students, they cannot really be positive, but both believe they are correct --
and they are very frightened.They believe that online porn is a very
real kind of child molestation. Perpetrated not by someone in bed with the
child, but by an anonymous pervert hiding behind the First Amendment in a dark,
shadowy place while they rake in enormous amounts of money.What harm
will be done to our nation's future before we find the wisdom and courage
to stand up to this and look for ways to prevent it? Is this the First
Amendment's counterpart to the mess we see with the Second Amendment? Do
we need to gain control NOW before it is too late?Who will find the
courage to confront this demon?
‘Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says’ – By
Elaine Jarvik – 03/03/09 – DSNews Line:‘That's the conclusion of a Harvard economics professor who tracked
subscriptions to online porn sites. Utah ranks No. 1 in subscriptions, according
to Benjamin Edelman, who reported his findings in the article "Red Light
States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?," published in the most recent
edition of the Journal of Economic Perspectives.’ Yes. That was reported by the Deseret news: March 3rd, 2009.
"...pornography is that viewing it can lead to an actual addiction,..."
I doubt this true as a general rule. But I think these well-meaning people are
working the wrong side of this. The chief victims of pornography are those who
expose their bodies and allow themselves to be exploited by the purveyors of
porn, the porn business. The porn business has victims, mostly the people who
work in the trade. I would refocus the attack on porn to come to the aid of
workers in the business. The business should not exist. And this is a place
for government regulation. But since we hate government we have to place the
burden on the individual consumer. For your consideration.
What's your point Pagan?
In a 2005 stake priesthood leadership meeting, a member of the quorum of seventy
told all the leaders present, bishoprics and quorum presidencies, that not one
man in that room including himself, was immune from the temptations of
pornography. Guard well your homes and your work places. Above all, guard well
the minds and souls of your young children.What was once only found
in printed magazines in brown wrappers, is now a couple of clicks away on
anyone's cell phone.It destroys its victims ability to have
normal relationships and addicts them to self-abuse, and self-absorbed
fantasy.It is a sick and depraved world, and little is being done to
prevent the purveyors of this sleaze and filth from corrupting innocent minds,
and destroying the lives of men, women, children, and families.
When I was a kid most of the so-called "dirty pictures" I saw were
nothing compared to what our youth are exposed to now. How can parents keep
curious youth away from porn when they can look at something a classmate brings
up on his computer or phone?
And, in spite of your best efforts, if your child becomes involved and addicted
don't waste your time on guilt - yours or theirs - just get informed and
get help. Do not stop loving them or believing in them. Buckle in and stick with
them. It's a very tough and long road full of ups and downs, but all is not
lost. In spite of a world that is absolutely failing them, our children were not
sent here to fail.
Jeanie, Peggy is just a bitter anti-Mormon, so she brings that up in a lame
attempt to talk badly of Utah and what much of Utah represents. The funny
thing, as you bring up, is that she doesn't really make any sense, as no
one has said anything that would disagree with what she says. The Mormon church
and many in Utah openly and continually acknowledge porn is a big problem
everywhere, here in Utah certainly included. Its funny you called
her out on it, with such a simple comment.
It seems that for every person getting help to overcome their problem with
pornography, there are 8 or 9 others who are too embarrassed to get help.
Pornography viewing problems don't go away by themselves but require
help.12-step programs can be very effective for many people but one
needs to stick with it or relapse happens. Other non 12-step programs, such as
Power Over Pornography, are working well for many and tend to have a lower
relapse rate because their follow-up components seem easier to do.
Ted, instead of trying to discredit someone who points out a fact, how about
getting to work trying to solve the problem? If Utah is, indeed, #1 in porn
subscriptions, shouldn't we all be very concerned?