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Charles Krauthammer: Here's why liberals are panicked about Obamacare

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  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 12:58 a.m.

    Krauthammer fairly licks his chops over the prospect of extending the cancellation of Obamacare to the signature accomplishments of the New Deal including social security. We should appreciate the goal of the New Deal was not to bring socialism, but rather to save capitalism which it did. This has left liberals confused, lacking a theoretical foundation. Liberals are not socialists.

    I am a socialist and we socialists have a theoretical foundation from which to work. If Krauthammer and his ilk succeed in undoing the New Deal, we socialists are ready and able to replace Democrats and we won't be an easy mark for him.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 17, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    Thank you Dr. Krauthammer for another excellent article!

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    Krauthammer writes fiction again. why am I not surprised. . . . business as usual for him.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 17, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    Attack the messenger because there is no refuting his message? Business as usual from liberals!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    I'm not panicked about it. Disappointed, in that the roll out is not working properly. Saddened that it's not a true slate wiping transition to single payer health care. And none of it is such a condemnation of democrats such that I would consider a republican alternative. They're such a mess the democrats just can't screw up enough to make them look good. Nice try, charlie, but I'm not convinced.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    It is not the Libs who are in a state of panic, quite the contrary! It is the likes of Krauthammer and his followers who are in a state of disarray and denial. Even the debacle of the ACA cannot out fumble the mess the Republican Party has allowed itself to become, along with their lack luster lineup packing all the Party's baggage, waiting in the wings for the 2016 campaign! But Chuckie K. has one thing going for him! As one of his Fox hero's says on a daily basis "Let not your heart be troubled" there will be a Demo in the White House until 2024, plenty of time left to Bash a liberal President!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    Conservatives are the ones panicked, they're so scared people will end up liking this bill they're zealous in their attempts to do anything to destroy it. Incidentally, actually having an understanding of the bill and the fact that my mom went from the sticker shock number of thinking her premiums would double to finding out (through much more effort than should be necessary, that needs to be fixed) that with the subsidies her premiums would be 20% lower instead of 120% higher. I suspect a ton of people are going to end up with that kind of realization.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    I'll admit I'm started to get a little concerned about Obamacare.

    The Affordable Care Act? Mot so much.

    Jimmy Kimmel's interviews of people on the street was certainly revealing: many who were opposed to Obamacare were enthusiastic about ACA. (They are actually one and the same, folks).

    The GOP needs to be congratulated on their successful demonization of the same set of healthcare reform proposals forwarded by the Heritage Foundation (a conservative thinktank) that were employed under Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. It should be noted that RomneyCare also had a very slow start.

    Krauthammer is today's Lee Iacocca, who claimed in the 70s the EPA mandating the use of unleaded gasoline would do tremendous damage to the national economy.

    When push comes to shove, which part of the ACA will Krauthammer push to eliminate? Covering pre-existing conditions? Allowing children to stay on their parents' plans? Covering mental health?

    People will remember how foolish Krauthammer was on health reform, just like we seemed to survive the (ostensibly) evil unleaded gas fiasco, with cleaner air.

    Krauthammer is starting to look like one of those physicians employed by Big Tobacco.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Maybe marxist is right, maybe this is the point at which Americans begin to abandon both the Republican and Democratic parties. At the heart of this debate is the inevitable consequence of all democracies:that is, the less wealthy majority votes benefits for themselves at the expense of the wealthy minority. It works until that minority is drained of resources or does whatever it deems necessary to escape their involuntary burden. The wealthy can be exploited for only so long before they revolt. It's not capitalism that always fails, it's democracy.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Who pays this guy?

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    The American people are going to rejoice as their health care costs continue to climb? Even many Democrats are realizing that people are upset because everything they were promised is manure. Their premiums are going up, not down. Their policies are being canceled. Many doctors and even some hospitals are refusing to take on patients under the new plans because the reimbursement rates are too low. Welcome to the welfare state where everyone gets mediocrity.

    The wonderful thing is that the Democrats are simply trying to push the damage until after the 2014 election. We will go through the same thing in 2015, only on a grander scale as companies start reducing hours or dropping coverage to avoid the increased rates caused by Obamacare. You know it is not going to be pretty when even the people who voted for Obamacare are now trying to delay its implementation.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    @Hutterite "I'm not convinced."

    Committed leftists aren't the people who need convincing. Everyday Americans will be convinced by their own experience.

    @atl134 "I suspect a ton of people are going to end up with that kind of realization."

    But alas, no one wants to pay for their subsidy. The young and healthy already realize how much they're being asked to overpay, and are refusing to do it. They will not choose to do so in large enough numbers to save Obamacare. It's a scheme that won't work.

    @RBB "You know it is not going to be pretty when even the people who voted for Obamacare are now trying to delay its implementation."

    You are right. They scheduled initial implementation after Obama's reelection. Now they want to try to escape the voters' wrath by pushing everything beyond the 2014 midterms. Thing is, they can kick the can down the road only so far. No matter when they decide to bring Obamacare into effect, the result will be failure -- a failure owned entirely by them. And a failure which discredits big government, the whole premise of their political existence.

    I don't blame them for being panicked.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    The honorable and the smart path would be for the president to work to grandfather the old plans people used to have in keeping with his promise. If as the president says the new plans are better and the old plans substandard, people will quit their old plan and adopt one of the new 'better' plans on their own. People aren't stupid.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Nov. 17, 2013 6:46 p.m.

    Not panicking at all.

    I'm looking forward to your fears coming true about a universal single payer system though.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Nov. 17, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    Health care costs have been rising at an exponential rate since the 1960's. Every other industrialized nation has done something to keep the costs down and lesser developed nations don't have high costs.

    Sure let's be the only country that still pays $3000 for an MRI. Heck, let's pay $10,000 for it in a few years. Have it your way.

    The only thing democrats could have done differently was to let the whole thing crumble and allow millions of people to die needlessly as republicans would continue to do.

    Mandatory insurance was a REPUBLICAN idea!

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    47 failed attempts to repeal the ACA…

    and counting.

    A glitchy website does not undo a Conservative party…

    with zero alternatives.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    Premiums under the ACA/Obamacare are NOT going down. All of these Americans that are getting subsidized insurance plans and paying less for them, are really paying for a more expensive premium...with help from their fellow tax-payers. Yes, more debt piled onto our children and grandchildren.

    This represents the most selfish generation the world has known, perhaps. We allow a law like the ACA to pile onto other debt and tell future generations to pay for our corruption, greed and selfishness. Yes, we can have it all, but we won't pay for it. We'll let others do that.

    Yes, that is the new American way.

    Yes, that is the new American Dream...under liberal leadership.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    @redshirt007

    Your party cannot usher in single payer when its credibility is shot.

    Everyone knows who voted for Obamacare, and who didn't. Everyone knows who lied about Obamacare to get it passed. Everyone saw Obama shut down the government over the question of funding for Obamacare. Everyone sees Democrat congressmen now scrambling away from Obamacare for their own political survival.

    There isn't going to be any single payer.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Nov. 18, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    SEY
    Sandy, UT
    Maybe marxist is right, maybe this is the point at which Americans begin to abandon both the Republican and Democratic parties.

    At the heart of this debate is the inevitable consequence of all democracies:that is, the less wealthy majority votes benefits for themselves at the expense of the wealthy minority. It works until that minority is drained of resources or does whatever it deems necessary to escape their involuntary burden. The wealthy can be exploited for only so long before they revolt. It's not capitalism that always fails, it's democracy.

    9:42 a.m. Nov. 17, 2013

    ===========

    sey,

    You do realize that OVER THE past decade,
    the wealth of the wealthy (top 1%) has QUADRUPLED,
    while the wealth of the FORMALLY Middle CLass (THE 99%) has decreased by 20%

    And YES,
    marxist is right.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Talking Heads. Charles was one of those yappin how Romney was going to win the election. They view the world thru a customized lens and are unable to see things without a partisan filter. Without media outlets like Fox News or the DNews they would be nothing more than the town criers of years gone by.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Die hard liberals will always vote democrat and sing hail to Obama, and hate Bush. No amount of evidence is enough to convince them that their freebies are less important than the well being of the country and our descendants who will have to deal with the debts we leave them. It is not a generation that is the 'me' group, it is a political position called liberalism.

    Airnut - Jealousy and hate for any group, even those you view as privileged by their race, income, etc, are not solutions to any of today's challenges. It is all just sour grapes.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    airnaut: you won't get an argument from me. The wealthy have increased their share BECAUSE of the democratic process, not because of capitalism. Congress, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve have combined to form a cartel with about 14 large banks to enrich themselves. This is democracy in action. It always happens. This is what some call crony-capitalism, others call it fascism. Now the less wealthy minority demands that taxes be raised on the wealthy to redistribute income. The wealthy will tolerate it for a while, but there will be a backlash. It doesn't matter if the wealthy deserve to be taxed our not.

    What you don't understand is that our crony-capitalist system is working just as it's designed to. And it's going to fail. Just don't blame it on real capitalism, which is illegal in America.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    @SEY,

    Re: "What you don't understand is that our crony-capitalist system is working just as it's designed to. And it's going to fail."

    Yes it's obvious that Capitalism is the problem, and it's about to fail.

    Shees... this is the same system we've had for over 200 years... evidently it's been teetering on the brink of failure all that time...

    Where do these "Capitalism is failing" people come from? Have they studied History? Have they studied Economics? Do they watch current events? Do they know that the Stock Market hit it's all-time-high today?

    They predict imminent failure... but they can't explain how this failed system has brought more prosperity to the world (not just the 1%) than ANY system in existence.

    I acknowledge that we don't have PURE-Capitalism in America (and that's good), and there are some people who benefit more than others, but how do you make the economy completely "fair", and guarantee "equal-results" for all?

    The Capitalist model isn't perfect... it's just better than any alternatives to Capitalism, and has resulted in more prosperity for more people than ANY system in history.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Re: atl134 "Conservatives are the ones panicked, they're so scared people will end up liking it"...

    I'm Conservative. And I acknowledge that many people are going to like it (probably ~47%).

    The thing I fear most isn't people liking it. It's getting people addicted to it and THEN finding out we can't afford to fund it. Because once people are sold the promise of getting their healthcare paid for by somebody else... it's kinda hard to go back on that promise (results in the riots and unrest they had in Greece when they found out they had to cut back on entitlements or go bankrupt as a nation).

    Once ObamaCare is implemented.... there's absolutely no chance of cutting spending at a Federal level. ANY attempt to cut spending will be painted as an attempt by the evil 10% to take the 47%s healthcare away from them.

    How hard is it to get the majority to support your plan IF you promise that the majority won't have to pay for it... just the top 10% will have to pay for it?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    "Committed leftists aren't the people who need convincing. Everyday Americans will be convinced by their own experience."
    Nate, as an everyday American, who is also an everyday Canadian and not a committed leftist, I can comfortably say I am convinced by my own experience. I wish US banks were half as fiscally conservative as my bank is. American conservatism is far to reckless with money; if it weren't I'd support it.
    I can see where everyday Americans are disillusioned by the ACA. So far, it hasn't lived up to what I'd hoped. It seems disjointed and predatory and full of tv ads, just like what we experienced before the ACA. I don't even pretend to understand it. My ace in the hole is single payer health care. It works, provides a better outcome for less money, and needs no tv ads. While my experience is not that of most everyday Americans, I am convinced by it as a human being who needs health care, not as a committed leftist.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    With everything happening with health reform recently, I keep remembering this story from 2010. It’s a real tearjerker, but it reminds me why we are fighting every day to make sure that every American has access to health care. It’s worth a read.

    CINDY MERCER JONES -- March 19, 2010 11:25 am

    "My beautiful daughter, Courtney Leigh Huber was an insulin dependent diabetic who was kicked off her father's insurance the day she graduated from college. To try to conserve her insulin, she attempted to wean herself off her nighttime insulin dosage. She slipped into a coma and never woke up." (You can hear more heartfelt health care stories here.)

    This week, we got back in contact with Cindy to let her know how much her story motivates us all. Here’s what she said:

    "Thanks :) Means a lot.. my 14 year old son was recently diagnosed with Type I Diabetes too.. I am reliving Courtney's disease with him now.. BUT he has insurance! It's a struggle, and we are both scared, but we are strong and will pull through this... I am constantly reminded now, that Courtney's death was not in vain."