Krauthammer fairly licks his chops over the prospect of extending the
cancellation of Obamacare to the signature accomplishments of the New Deal
including social security. We should appreciate the goal of the New Deal was
not to bring socialism, but rather to save capitalism which it did. This has
left liberals confused, lacking a theoretical foundation. Liberals are not
socialists.I am a socialist and we socialists have a theoretical
foundation from which to work. If Krauthammer and his ilk succeed in undoing
the New Deal, we socialists are ready and able to replace Democrats and we
won't be an easy mark for him.
Thank you Dr. Krauthammer for another excellent article!
Krauthammer writes fiction again. why am I not surprised. . . . business as
usual for him.
Attack the messenger because there is no refuting his message? Business as usual
I'm not panicked about it. Disappointed, in that the roll out is not
working properly. Saddened that it's not a true slate wiping transition to
single payer health care. And none of it is such a condemnation of democrats
such that I would consider a republican alternative. They're such a mess
the democrats just can't screw up enough to make them look good. Nice try,
charlie, but I'm not convinced.
It is not the Libs who are in a state of panic, quite the contrary! It is the
likes of Krauthammer and his followers who are in a state of disarray and
denial. Even the debacle of the ACA cannot out fumble the mess the Republican
Party has allowed itself to become, along with their lack luster lineup packing
all the Party's baggage, waiting in the wings for the 2016 campaign! But
Chuckie K. has one thing going for him! As one of his Fox hero's says on a
daily basis "Let not your heart be troubled" there will be a Demo in the
White House until 2024, plenty of time left to Bash a liberal President!
Conservatives are the ones panicked, they're so scared people will end up
liking this bill they're zealous in their attempts to do anything to
destroy it. Incidentally, actually having an understanding of the bill and the
fact that my mom went from the sticker shock number of thinking her premiums
would double to finding out (through much more effort than should be necessary,
that needs to be fixed) that with the subsidies her premiums would be 20% lower
instead of 120% higher. I suspect a ton of people are going to end up with that
kind of realization.
I'll admit I'm started to get a little concerned about Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act? Mot so much.Jimmy Kimmel's
interviews of people on the street was certainly revealing: many who were
opposed to Obamacare were enthusiastic about ACA. (They are actually one and
the same, folks).The GOP needs to be congratulated on their
successful demonization of the same set of healthcare reform proposals forwarded
by the Heritage Foundation (a conservative thinktank) that were employed under
Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. It should be noted that RomneyCare also had a
very slow start.Krauthammer is today's Lee Iacocca, who claimed
in the 70s the EPA mandating the use of unleaded gasoline would do tremendous
damage to the national economy.When push comes to shove, which part
of the ACA will Krauthammer push to eliminate? Covering pre-existing
conditions? Allowing children to stay on their parents' plans? Covering
mental health?People will remember how foolish Krauthammer was on
health reform, just like we seemed to survive the (ostensibly) evil unleaded gas
fiasco, with cleaner air. Krauthammer is starting to look like one
of those physicians employed by Big Tobacco.
Maybe marxist is right, maybe this is the point at which Americans begin to
abandon both the Republican and Democratic parties. At the heart of this debate
is the inevitable consequence of all democracies:that is, the less wealthy
majority votes benefits for themselves at the expense of the wealthy minority.
It works until that minority is drained of resources or does whatever it deems
necessary to escape their involuntary burden. The wealthy can be exploited for
only so long before they revolt. It's not capitalism that always fails,
Who pays this guy?
The American people are going to rejoice as their health care costs continue to
climb? Even many Democrats are realizing that people are upset because
everything they were promised is manure. Their premiums are going up, not down.
Their policies are being canceled. Many doctors and even some hospitals are
refusing to take on patients under the new plans because the reimbursement rates
are too low. Welcome to the welfare state where everyone gets mediocrity.The wonderful thing is that the Democrats are simply trying to push the
damage until after the 2014 election. We will go through the same thing in
2015, only on a grander scale as companies start reducing hours or dropping
coverage to avoid the increased rates caused by Obamacare. You know it is not
going to be pretty when even the people who voted for Obamacare are now trying
to delay its implementation.
@Hutterite "I'm not convinced."Committed leftists
aren't the people who need convincing. Everyday Americans will be convinced
by their own experience.@atl134 "I suspect a ton of people are
going to end up with that kind of realization."But alas, no one
wants to pay for their subsidy. The young and healthy already realize how much
they're being asked to overpay, and are refusing to do it. They will not
choose to do so in large enough numbers to save Obamacare. It's a scheme
that won't work.@RBB "You know it is not going to be pretty
when even the people who voted for Obamacare are now trying to delay its
implementation."You are right. They scheduled initial
implementation after Obama's reelection. Now they want to try to escape the
voters' wrath by pushing everything beyond the 2014 midterms. Thing is,
they can kick the can down the road only so far. No matter when they decide to
bring Obamacare into effect, the result will be failure -- a failure owned
entirely by them. And a failure which discredits big government, the whole
premise of their political existence.I don't blame them for
The honorable and the smart path would be for the president to work to
grandfather the old plans people used to have in keeping with his promise. If
as the president says the new plans are better and the old plans substandard,
people will quit their old plan and adopt one of the new 'better'
plans on their own. People aren't stupid.
Not panicking at all.I'm looking forward to your fears coming
true about a universal single payer system though.
Health care costs have been rising at an exponential rate since the 1960's.
Every other industrialized nation has done something to keep the costs down and
lesser developed nations don't have high costs.Sure let's
be the only country that still pays $3000 for an MRI. Heck, let's pay
$10,000 for it in a few years. Have it your way.The only thing
democrats could have done differently was to let the whole thing crumble and
allow millions of people to die needlessly as republicans would continue to
do.Mandatory insurance was a REPUBLICAN idea!
47 failed attempts to repeal the ACA… and counting. A glitchy website does not undo a Conservative party… with
Premiums under the ACA/Obamacare are NOT going down. All of these Americans
that are getting subsidized insurance plans and paying less for them, are really
paying for a more expensive premium...with help from their fellow tax-payers.
Yes, more debt piled onto our children and grandchildren. This
represents the most selfish generation the world has known, perhaps. We allow a
law like the ACA to pile onto other debt and tell future generations to pay for
our corruption, greed and selfishness. Yes, we can have it all, but we
won't pay for it. We'll let others do that.Yes, that is
the new American way. Yes, that is the new American Dream...under
@redshirt007Your party cannot usher in single payer when its
credibility is shot.Everyone knows who voted for Obamacare, and who
didn't. Everyone knows who lied about Obamacare to get it passed. Everyone
saw Obama shut down the government over the question of funding for Obamacare.
Everyone sees Democrat congressmen now scrambling away from Obamacare for their
own political survival.There isn't going to be any single
SEYSandy, UTMaybe marxist is right, maybe this is the point at which
Americans begin to abandon both the Republican and Democratic parties.At the heart of this debate is the inevitable consequence of all
democracies:that is, the less wealthy majority votes benefits for themselves at
the expense of the wealthy minority. It works until that minority is drained of
resources or does whatever it deems necessary to escape their involuntary
burden. The wealthy can be exploited for only so long before they revolt.
It's not capitalism that always fails, it's democracy.9:42
a.m. Nov. 17, 2013=========== sey, You do
realize that OVER THE past decade, the wealth of the wealthy (top 1%) has
QUADRUPLED, while the wealth of the FORMALLY Middle CLass (THE 99%) has
decreased by 20%And YES, marxist is right.
Talking Heads. Charles was one of those yappin how Romney was going to win the
election. They view the world thru a customized lens and are unable to see
things without a partisan filter. Without media outlets like Fox News or the
DNews they would be nothing more than the town criers of years gone by.
Die hard liberals will always vote democrat and sing hail to Obama, and hate
Bush. No amount of evidence is enough to convince them that their freebies are
less important than the well being of the country and our descendants who will
have to deal with the debts we leave them. It is not a generation that is the
'me' group, it is a political position called liberalism.Airnut - Jealousy and hate for any group, even those you view as privileged by
their race, income, etc, are not solutions to any of today's challenges. It
is all just sour grapes.
airnaut: you won't get an argument from me. The wealthy have increased
their share BECAUSE of the democratic process, not because of capitalism.
Congress, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve have combined to form a cartel
with about 14 large banks to enrich themselves. This is democracy in action. It
always happens. This is what some call crony-capitalism, others call it fascism.
Now the less wealthy minority demands that taxes be raised on the wealthy to
redistribute income. The wealthy will tolerate it for a while, but there will be
a backlash. It doesn't matter if the wealthy deserve to be taxed our not.
What you don't understand is that our crony-capitalist system
is working just as it's designed to. And it's going to fail. Just
don't blame it on real capitalism, which is illegal in America.
@SEY,Re: "What you don't understand is that our
crony-capitalist system is working just as it's designed to. And it's
going to fail."Yes it's obvious that Capitalism is the
problem, and it's about to fail.Shees... this is the same
system we've had for over 200 years... evidently it's been teetering
on the brink of failure all that time...Where do these
"Capitalism is failing" people come from? Have they studied History?
Have they studied Economics? Do they watch current events? Do they know that
the Stock Market hit it's all-time-high today? They predict
imminent failure... but they can't explain how this failed system has
brought more prosperity to the world (not just the 1%) than ANY system in
existence.I acknowledge that we don't have PURE-Capitalism in
America (and that's good), and there are some people who benefit more than
others, but how do you make the economy completely "fair", and guarantee
"equal-results" for all?The Capitalist model isn't
perfect... it's just better than any alternatives to Capitalism, and has
resulted in more prosperity for more people than ANY system in history.
Re: atl134 "Conservatives are the ones panicked, they're so scared
people will end up liking it"...I'm Conservative. And I
acknowledge that many people are going to like it (probably ~47%).The thing I fear most isn't people liking it. It's getting people
addicted to it and THEN finding out we can't afford to fund it. Because
once people are sold the promise of getting their healthcare paid for by
somebody else... it's kinda hard to go back on that promise (results in
the riots and unrest they had in Greece when they found out they had to cut back
on entitlements or go bankrupt as a nation).Once ObamaCare is
implemented.... there's absolutely no chance of cutting spending at a
Federal level. ANY attempt to cut spending will be painted as an attempt by the
evil 10% to take the 47%s healthcare away from them. How hard is it
to get the majority to support your plan IF you promise that the majority
won't have to pay for it... just the top 10% will have to pay for it?
"Committed leftists aren't the people who need convincing. Everyday
Americans will be convinced by their own experience." Nate, as an
everyday American, who is also an everyday Canadian and not a committed leftist,
I can comfortably say I am convinced by my own experience. I wish US banks were
half as fiscally conservative as my bank is. American conservatism is far to
reckless with money; if it weren't I'd support it.I can see
where everyday Americans are disillusioned by the ACA. So far, it hasn't
lived up to what I'd hoped. It seems disjointed and predatory and full of
tv ads, just like what we experienced before the ACA. I don't even pretend
to understand it. My ace in the hole is single payer health care. It works,
provides a better outcome for less money, and needs no tv ads. While my
experience is not that of most everyday Americans, I am convinced by it as a
human being who needs health care, not as a committed leftist.
With everything happening with health reform recently, I keep remembering this
story from 2010. It’s a real tearjerker, but it reminds me why we are
fighting every day to make sure that every American has access to health care.
It’s worth a read.CINDY MERCER JONES -- March 19, 2010 11:25
am"My beautiful daughter, Courtney Leigh Huber was an insulin
dependent diabetic who was kicked off her father's insurance the day she
graduated from college. To try to conserve her insulin, she attempted to wean
herself off her nighttime insulin dosage. She slipped into a coma and never woke
up." (You can hear more heartfelt health care stories here.)This
week, we got back in contact with Cindy to let her know how much her story
motivates us all. Here’s what she said:"Thanks :) Means a
lot.. my 14 year old son was recently diagnosed with Type I Diabetes too.. I am
reliving Courtney's disease with him now.. BUT he has insurance! It's
a struggle, and we are both scared, but we are strong and will pull through
this... I am constantly reminded now, that Courtney's death was not in