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  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    BYU's 2014 recruiting class is loaded! Coach Rose is going to have an awesome team when all of these young men are back from their missions in 2016.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Big pickup for BYU.

    The other newspaper is saying this:

    "When he committed to Thad Matta of Ohio State on Thursday, Dastrup said it was because he believed playing there gave him the best chance to make it to the NBA"

    For some people, the "byu experience" is just more important. Certainly nothing wrong with that. To each their own.

    Crazy to think he wont be playing in Provo for 3 years.

    BYU certainly has had some great recruiting classes lately, but I think Utah is improving as well. Both Brekkot Chapman and Jordan Loveridge were wanted big time by BYU and signed with Utah. As bad as Utah has been lately, I think there will be evenly matched games in the coming years.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    congrats to dastrup and the cougs

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    So glad to hear. For what my opinion is worth (and I realize it might not be much), I felt Payton was a better fit with BYU from the start, and I'm very happy he will be helping to make BYU a better team rather than Ohio State. BYU likely would have been very, very good without him; with him, I think they ascend into "fantastic" territory.

  • Veracruz Brentwood, CA
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Great choice, young Dastrup. Have a great mission. We'll see you in a couple of years. Go Cougs!

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    @chris B
    Wow, a civil, level headed comment. Respect! I agree this is a big get for Byu and utah is on the up and up. should be a good game this year and the coming years!

    Go Cougs!

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Chris B

    I too think there is going to be good future matchups between BYU and Utah. I'm encouraged by the improvement of Utah and the continued success of BYU in the hoops. Good luck to both teams going forward.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    Chris B

    The truth is, Payton Dastrup has just as much chance of making it in the NBA after playing for BYU, as he would playing for Ohio St.

    BYU's 2016 team is going to be AWESOME: Nick Emery, Cory Calvert, Jordan Chatman, TJ Haws, Frank Bartley, Jake Toolson, Luke Worthington, Eric Mica, Isaac Nielson, Jakob Hartsock, Braiden Shaw, Dalton Nixon, and Payton Dastrup.

    Wow!

  • satch Highland, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    I second Chris B's comment.

    Good pick-up. Can't wait to see BYU in 3-4 years.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Nice pick Y. I watched Parker play last night and he is awesome. That game against Kansas is why he went to Duke. he'll only get better playing teams at that level. Hopefully by the time Dastrup gets back the Y will have scheduled teams at that level.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    BYU Recruiting Classes

    2014
    **** Payton Dastrup - C (6-10)
    **** T.J. Haws - PG (6-3)
    *** Jake Toolson - SF (6-5)
    *** Dalton Nixon - SF (6-7)
    -NR- Ryan Andrus - PF (6-8)

    2013
    **** Eric Mika - C (6-8)
    **** Nick Emery - SG (6-2)
    *** Luke Worthington - C (6-8)
    *** Braiden Shaw - PF (6-8)
    ** Jakob Hartsock - PF (6-7)

    BYU's 2016 team will be poised to make some serious noise in the Big Dance.

    The 2013 BYU team may be pretty good as well.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Nov. 13, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Can't help but think that he was watching the BYU v Stanford game and realized that a) Rose has put together a great system with talented players and they're running it well, b) BYU was playing on a national stage and Haws, Carlino and Mika were getting heaped with praise by Seth Greenberg & co., and c) this is a team that is playing hard, should crack the top-25 soon, and seem to have great cohisiveness and chemistry, thus coming to the conclusion that he CAN get national (and NBA) exposure and recognition at BYU while also enjoying the "BYU experience". Good for Payton. 2016 seems a long ways away.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    BlueCoug,

    You couldn't be more wrong. Coaching, as well as the level of competition he would face in one of the best(if not the best) conferences in the nation, can absolutely impact how much he develops in the coming years.

    And yes, that impacts his success in the NBA.

  • Staythecourse Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    @ Chirs B

    Wow, great comment, i too have much respect for you. You gave props to the Cougars and didn't beat your chest talking about your great BCS or PAC 12 membership.

    To be honest, if you had more civil dialogue like this i may start cheering for U of U sports again, humility goes a long way.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    @BlueCoug - and maybe, just maybe add Jabari Parker.

    Why, Lola (Jabari mother) might work with him to go on a mission and tranfer to BYU. Would that be something. But, who knows what is in his mind which it is up to him. He is a good kid and wish him well.

    Dayton Dastrup, welcome aboard and good luck on your mission.

    Go Cougars!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    Chris B

    You're really trying to make the case that Dave Rose is a "bad" coach???

    As far as level of competition is concerned,

    How impressed do you think Utah's recruits are going to be when they see Utah playing home games against the likes of Evergreen State and Grand Canyon for the first half the season, while BYU is playing Stanford, Iowa State, Texas, U Mass, Oregon, and possibly Wichita State, as well as all of the in-state schools - Utah, Utah State and Weber State (which the Utes are afraid to play)?

    True, Utah plays in a stronger overall conference, but the Utes don't seem to have the stomach to challenge any decent teams nationally.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 13, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Well lets compare a humble argument to a non-humble argument
    "Big pickup for BYU"
    BYU
    2014 3.5 stars avg
    2013 3.4 stars avg.

    Utah
    2014 3.33 stars avg.
    2013 2.20 stars avg.

    Maybe that is why we have beaten U 7 straight times.
    7-0
    a similar thing has been posted on Football articles many times.
    Recruiting more talent does matter.
    Lets just all respect one another makes life a lot easier.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Huuuuuge get!!! Goodnight, Rose is putting together a monster team for future years. Gonna be fun, heck just reading utes trying to spin this in a negative light is comedy at its best!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    Truth Machine,

    Here you byu fans go making things up again.

    When did I say or even hint that Dave Rose is a bad coach?????????

    By saying that Thad Matta is a better coach is not even close to saying Dave Rose is a "bad coach"

    You guys really need to start reading and understanding what is written, instead of making things up.

    So in your mind every coach in the nation is either a bad coach or a good coach and every good coach is "good" to the same degree?

    Is that what you're saying?

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    TruthMachine - I'm a BYU fan but that's not what Chris said. And I happen to agree with Chris on this one. Thad Matta and Ohio State have a better track record of putting guys in the NBA than byu. So yes, it can and does make a big difference.

    And seriously, stop with the bragging about out of conference schedule. I believe that Utah's strength of schedule is STRONGER than byu's. We only look foolish by only talking about out of conference. Let's not be cherry pickers in the conversation. If we're going to brag about our good out of conference, lets also include how bad our conference schedule is. And yes, its bad.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    The level of competition in the WCC is substantially inferior in the WCC than in the Big-10, and that is why playing at Ohio St. might have improved Dastrup's chances of preparing himself for the pros.

    With the types of recruiting classes BYU has coming in, they need to upgrade their non-conference schedule even more. This years non-conf. schedule is pretty good, but still have too many patsies (4) on it. Of course that is assuming BYU doesn't receive any update to switch and update its conference.

    With the large number of in-conference over 100 RPI games that the WCC provides, BYU should schedule at least a quality mid-major team for every single non-conference game (and at most playing top 15 teams, even if on the road). Then when you add in Gonzaga and St. Mary's then BYU's schedule would start to come closer to the schedules of the upper echelon teams.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    @TruthMachine,

    "How impressed do you think Utah's recruits are going to be when they see Utah playing home games against the likes of Evergreen State"

    The question was whether BYU or Ohio State was better(or equal) good places for the BEST CHANCE to go to the NBA. It wasn't how impressed potential recruits were about opponents. Try to keep up, it wasn't that difficult of a conversation. Where did you get lost?

    But since you didn't understand the flow of the conversation, lets now move to yours. I think that recruits yes are very interested in playing Arizona, Oregon, UCLA, Colorado year after year after year. And how interested are your recruits in playing Portland, Santa Clara, and Pacific for the WCC title?

  • WaybackCougar Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Chris B started off with an unusual show of generosity. Let's not spoil it by letting this devolve into the usual rivalry rant. This decision is going to elevate the level of basketball most of us are going to be watching in coming years. Let's hope it continues an upward trend for both teams. The more competitive they are the better!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    TruthMachine, If we didn't have the challenge to stomach teams nationally we would have told the Pac 12 no thanks and joined the WCC.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @ Ken
    no I was using an example of something some other poster used to berate another fan base.
    I don't feel that way at all I cheer for all Utah schools it would just be nice for some mutual respect

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    Thad Matta is a great coach, but so is Dave Rose.

    To imply that simply playing for Ohio State is some sort of guarantee for NBA success is a stretch.

    First player selected in the 2013 NBA draft was from UNLV, coached by Dave Rice, Dave Rose's former assistant.

    Players from UNLV, Lehigh, Gonzaga, New Mexico, Colorado, Murray St, Detroit, North Texas, So Dakota St, San Diego St, Providence, Bucknell, Long Beach St, and Colorado St were all selected before the only Ohio State player drafted, Deshaun Thomas, late in the 2nd round. He's now playing in Europe.

    Brandon Davis was undrafted, but he made an NBA roster and is now playing for the 76ers.

    Quite obviously, skill, rather than playing for a big name program, is the most important requirement for NBA success.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    Hmmm!

    Big 10 vs. WCC?
    Kansas vs. Cal Poly Tech?
    20,000 vs. 2,000?
    Top Competition every night vs. Community Colleges?

    Did he make the right decision?

    It was his so I suppose he did. He obviously didn't go to BYU to play basketball.

    BYU will be loaded for a while. They will again be big fishes in a small pond for hoops. Glory days are back. Whoop, whoop!

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    @skywalker,

    Who implied that playing for Ohio State state is a guarantee for NBA success?

    Here you byu fans continue making things up left and right. Nothing even close to that was implied. The only thing stated was the Ohio State and Thad Matta have done better at putting guys in the NBA. That's a straight fact. No stretching needed. Unliked you, who is stretching(to put it kindly) by suggesting anyone implied going to Ohio State was a guarantee?

    Can you tell me where someone implied that?

    Or will you run away and cower now that you've been called out for making things up?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @ Ken.
    I don't only cheer for the cougars.
    Go check out Ute articles.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    Ken
    I stated a truthful argument.
    it was accompanied by no lols directed at individual fans.
    I stated no disrespect for anyone just showing the truth.

  • gamer PROVO, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Dastrup committing to BYU is Huge! He is versatile enough to be on the floor with Mika at the same time.

    Also,

    - Andrus is 6'10 not 6'8
    - BYU's schedule is a little harder than Utah's not easier. I can't wait for BYU to take on a much improved Oregon and Utah team and possibly go 3-0 on the road against pac-12 talent. But honestly no one can argue that Utah has a stronger schedule than BYU when you look at the schedules.

    -The WCC got off to a quick start by winning their first 15 games. Hopefully they keep it up.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    "Dastrup... a four-star prospect by both scout.com and rivals.com... held more than 30 offers, but narrowed his choices to BYU, Ohio State, Virginia and Florida late in the process."

    Despite the jealous spin from a few who obviously don't have a clue what they're talking about, Payton is in line to have a very successful college career and excellent chance of playing in the NBA regardless of whether he chose to play at BYU or Ohio State.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    Bemsmart - I never said you only cheered for byu. Go check. I simply said its hypocritical to say something in a disrespectful way in order to try and prove a point about people being disrespectful. And having it be true doesn't matter. Chris says a lot of things about BYU that are true.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Rockwell - Dastrup is the one who said he would have a better chance of going to the NBA if he went to Ohio State. That's simply a fact(that he said it). But what does Dastrup know about basketball?

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    Two strange things happened today. 1-BYU picked up a big-time recruit who switched at the last moment in BYU's favor; 2-Chris B's comments seem more reasonable than many of those posted here.

    What is going on?????

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    Chris B

    "When he committed to Thad Matta of Ohio State on Thursday, Dastrup said it was because he believed playing there gave him the best chance to make it to the NBA"

    For some people, the "BYU experience" is just more important. Certainly nothing wrong with that. To each their own."

    -----------------

    The clear implication from your comments is that Dastrup chose to compromise his chances to play in the NBA in order to enjoy the "BYU experience".

    Kids say lots of things to justify their ultimate choice of school, but, bottom line, if you were to ask Dastrup directly whether he chose the "BYU experience" over the NBA, you'd get an emphatic "NO". The truth is, he wants both and doesn't believe for a second that playing for BYU will compromise his NBA aspirations.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    @Ken Go read your post from 2:16 then get off your high horse about being so kind

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Chris B... your 2nd comment at 1:20 did read like you were insinuating that playing at Ohio State would improve Dastrup's chances of playing in the NBA and would be partly because of superior coaching. I can understand why some readers could take that as somewhat of a putdown to Dave Rose.

    As another comment said, the first pick in last year's draft came from the Mountain West conference, and not a power-house conference. That strongly indicates that individual skills and abilities are the primary consideration in NBA choices, rather than primarily the school you are playing for.
    However, it does help your chances of being noticed by scouts if playing for a decent, respectible program, which BYU undoubtedly is. And their affiliation with ESPN helps. They played to a national audience on ESPN2 Monday night.

    Latest USA Today Sagarin NCAA basketball rankings:

    Ohio State #5 with a SOS rating of 221 (out of 351 schools).
    BYU #31 with a SOS rating of 102 (119 places better than OSU).
    Utah State #71 with a SOS of 266.
    Utah #121 with no SOS rating (no games played yet).

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Glad to have you on board Dastrup! Great school, great program, great chances for success.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    IndeMack

    "BYU will be loaded for a while."

    BYU will be loaded for a long time - Dastrup and company won't play their senior seasons until 2019-20 and there will be many, many high quality recruits following after them.

    "Big 10 vs. WCC?"
    Kansas vs. Cal Poly Tech?"

    You're obviously confused; Kansas is in the Big 12 and Utah is more likely to play Cal Poly Tech than is BYU.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    I think skywalker made some legitimate points about players from "smaller programs" being drafted into the NBA. While it is obvious that the Big Ten is a first rate league and plays against tough competition, there is the consideration of actual playing time. Sometimes, being the bigger fish in a smaller pond, allows a player to develop skills and confidence that you don't get with limited playing time. The chances of Dastrup being a major player at BYU are probably greater than at Ohio State. It's one thing to be a good practice player, but more difficult to be successful in an actual game.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    Solomon Levi and Tators,

    You byu fans are still making it out to be like I'm saying "He will for sure go to the NBA if he had picked Ohio State and he for sure will not go to the NBA since he picked byu"

    I've never said that. Never have, never will.

    But YES, I am saying that coaching and competition CAN and DOES impact one's development. And YES, one's development will impact their chances at success in the NBA. I don't think its crazy to say that better coaches will develop players better.

    I think Thad Matta is a better coach. Now LISTEN, did I say Coach Rose is a bad coach? Did I say he wont go to the NBA?

    You guys are still spinning everything I'm saying. There is some give and take in college decisions. He wanted to go to BYU, but he thought Ohio State was better for NBA potential. No, I've never said he wont go to the NBA or has given that up.

    Dastrup HIMSELF is the one who made the comment - take it up with him.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    I hope we keep up the AZ connection.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    It's so much what you said as what seemed to be insinuated... and how it came across. Knowing your history as an ardent anti-BYU guy didn't help.

    If you really didn't intend anything negative, then I apologise for reading that into your statement and will let it go at that.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    People Chris is making some good points
    lets support the truth his comments and hopefully all these boards become a much more enjoyable place.
    Have a good day.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 13, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    This is awesome news. Good choice, Dalstrup. You won't regret it.

    @Ken
    After all your disrespectful posts, don't preach to us about hypocrisy.
    It is that snotty attitude and overt generalizations that so many people don't like about Utah and their "fans."

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 13, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    @ken
    How was what i said disrespectful.
    I mentioned no name no lol just stated facts about basketball recruiting.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    Ted H.: Have you noticed that the *entire* WCC is undefeated, so far? 17-0! And those aren't exhibition games. Our conference schedule is NOT bad.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    @ caleb in new york and Ken:

    Both of you are making some wrong assumptions. First of all, almost all ranked and powerhouse programs play more than 4 patsy teams outside of conference games a year. Check any of their schedules and see for yourselves.

    Also, concerning the PAC 12 teams, only Oregon has a strength of schedule (SOS) stronger than BYU's.
    According to the latest USA Today Sagarin SOS rankings from 351 teams:

    Oregon #28
    BYU #102
    Stanford #136
    Colorado #164
    UCLA #198
    Arizona #229
    California #244
    Washington #247
    Harvard #268
    Washington State #270
    Arizona State #291
    Oregon State #296
    Utah (no games played yet)

    Of the current nationally top 10 ranked teams, only Duke has a stronger SOS than BYU's. And only 4 teams total in the top 25 have stronger rated schedules than BYU's.

    So yes, I think BYU's schedule is overall very competitive and comparatively attractive to most recruits. The facts (rather than personal opinions) speak for themselves.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    With regard to getting to the NBA from a "name" school:

    Jazz 1998 starters:
    Stockton Gonzaga
    Hornacek Iowa State
    Russell Long Beach State
    Malone Louisiana Tech
    Ostertag Kansas

    Bulls starters:
    KerrArizona
    JordanNorth Carolina
    PippenCentral Arkansas
    RodmanSoutheastern Oklahoma State
    LongleyNew Mexico

    If anything, I think this indicates it really is more about talent than where one went to school. One could even make the argument in many cases involving less than the biggest high school stars that going to the big-name schools hinders one's chances to make it to the NBA. Would any of the Jazz's players other than Ostertag--who got to Kansas solely because he was 7'2" and could block shots--have developed sufficiently if competing for playing time at big-time schools? Would Pippen or Rodman have gotten noticed sitting on the bench in the ACC? One may bash Jimmer all one wants, but does he become player of the year competing for playing time at Syracuse? And Jimmer may yet succeed if he gets into a better situation; few would argue that Stockton would have had the same success on most other teams in the league.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    @ Chrisopher B:

    You implied that Solomon Levi and I each said that:
    "He will for sure go to the NBA if he had picked Ohio State and he for sure will not go to the NBA since he picked byu."

    I looked back through each statement that Solomon Levi and I have posted on this article. None of them even remotely stated such a thing.

    Now look who appears to be making things up.

    Perhaps you're reading things into other people's comments in the same way you claim others are reading into yours. Misunderstandings happen.

  • LEDSFW Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 13, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    I actually found something to which Chris B has written that I can agree is correct. Both on BYU's future and on UTAH's pick-ups.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 13, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    Ohio State has sent more players to the NBA than BYU because they have had more talented players come into the program over the years.

    Personally I think very good players have a better shot at the NBA with a very good program like BYU than with an elite program.

    If Jimmer would have played at Syracuse, Kansas or Duke there is no way he would have put up 30 points a game his senior year. There were too many other great players on the team who would have also demanded the ball. He would have averaged maybe 15 and been just another player and never player of the year, top 10 draft pick. But at BYU he was larger than life.

    With that said, this has to be the best three year recruiting period in the history of BYU. Great recruiting classes in 2012, 2013 and 2014.

    Sure Utah got Loveridge and Chapman, who are / will be very good, but BYU already has 2 players on the team of that caliber (Haws and Collinsworth) and about 8 more players in the pipeline of that caliber. There is no comparison.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 13, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    Chris B

    "I am saying that coaching and competition CAN and DOES impact one's development. And YES, one's development will impact their chances at success in the NBA. I don't think its crazy to say that better coaches will develop players better."

    Most fans would agree.

    "I think Thad Matta is a better coach."

    That's your opinion.

    Given the talent pool and resources that Dave Rose has had to work with at BYU, do you have any evidence that Thad Matta would have been more successful? Would "Jimmermania" have happened if Matta had been coaching BYU? Don't forget, BYU was on the cusp of securing a #1 seed heading into the NCAA tournament, before Davies was suspended. Would Matta have gotten that BYU team to the Sweet 16, and within a close OT loss of the Elite Eight, after losing his best big man just before the conference tournaments began?

    btw, Matta was a two-year starter for Butler after transferring from Southern Illinois as a sophomore. Hundreds of great coaches and players don't have an "elite program" pedigree, yet they're somehow able to coach and perform at an elite level when given the opportunity.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    A nice pick up for the cougs.

    Tators

    Come and talk SOS about half way through conference play. SOS means nothing right now.

    Talkin

    So what you are saying is that the Jimmer was over-hyped and his numbers inflated? I agree.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    2013 Y team against Stanford... Reminded me of team Ainge led to Great 8! They ran on Princeton, UCLA like that. I'm excited about this years team.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 13, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    @IndeMak:

    Big fish in a small pond.

    Worked well for Gonzaga.

    MWC has had some small fish grow into big fish.

    I'm ok with the WCC.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Nov. 13, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    "Chris B

    Salt Lake City, UT

    Big pickup for BYU.

    The other newspaper is saying this:

    "When he committed to Thad Matta of Ohio State on Thursday, Dastrup said it was because he believed playing there gave him the best chance to make it to the NBA"

    For some people, the "byu experience" is just more important. Certainly nothing wrong with that. To each their own.

    Crazy to think he wont be playing in Provo for 3 years.

    BYU certainly has had some great recruiting classes lately, but I think Utah is improving as well. Both Brekkot Chapman and Jordan Loveridge were wanted big time by BYU and signed with Utah. As bad as Utah has been lately, I think there will be evenly matched games in the coming years."

    Why so few of these types of posts? More please.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    tators,

    I apologize. It was Skywalker who said that:

    "To imply that simply playing for Ohio State is some sort of guarantee for NBA success is a stretch."

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    To all the BYU fans talking about the 2016 team I think you are a year off. If the 2014 recruiting class all go on missions right away as they say they will it will be the 2016-2017 team that will have all these players.

  • Born in Provo Logan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    Hey Chris B, look at Damien Lillard. He played for Weber State and is doing very well in the NBA. Also, the guard who plays for Golden State; I think he played for Davidson, a very small school. Size of school or what conference they play in matters very little. There is plenty of parity in college hoops as teams are smaller. Butler and VCU went to the final four recently.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    @utahcountyute

    Have you forgotten two of the greatest hallmark games by a single player (Jimmer) against Utah and Arizona...both on the road. Sure, he was over-hyped and had inflated numbers...wow.

    Get past the inane rivalry garbage and give some credit where it is due.

    Great get BYU...looking forward to this and many more exciting seasons.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    ucu

    "So what you are saying is that the Jimmer was over-hyped and his numbers inflated?"

    Nope!

    Rose was savvy enough to give Jimmer the freedom to allow him to become THE most exciting college basketball player in the country, sweeping EVERY major national award in the process.

    NOBODY accomplishes that simply by being over-hyped and the beat-down Jimmer laid on U in his final game in the HC is proof that his numbers were legitimate.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    jpc53

    I'm sure all BYU fans are very aware of the fact that the 2014 recruiting class will all be back together to begin the 2016-17 season.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    It's funny how what Majerus accomplished in the WAC and MWC is now considered by our arrogant little friends on the hill to be totally impossible for any program not wearing a "power conference" logo on their jerseys.

    According to their logic, if Van Horn, Miller, and Bogut had really been serious about playing in the NBA, none of them would have even considered playing for a mid-major school like Utah.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 13, 2013 11:51 p.m.

    BYU has the potential to be a very scary team in the next few years.

    Way to go Chris B. Lets make an article that has absolutely nothing to do with the utes-- about the utes. The utes will continue to struggle with winning games against BYU for years to come.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Nov. 14, 2013 12:14 a.m.

    everyone needs to leave chris alone. I liked his comment, something I have never done. I agree, the BYU fans are spinning things. Both coaches are good. there.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 14, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    When I first came to this thread, I saw a great comment by Chris B. Then I read some of the BYU responses to it how you take it out of context or make assumptions. Come on guys. I actually was very impressed with what Chris B had to say and agree with his post. Coaches at Duke and other excellent basketball schools do get more NBA exposure. That's just how it is. That's not to say BYU doesn't, it's just the bias in the media, the NBA, the east coast, etc.

    Chris B, please don't let these BYU "fans" with their "the world is out to get us" mentality detract you. I firmly believe that a united BYU/UofU is the best for Utah. I didn't like calling out Utah fans when Sun Devils won. I did it because of all the antagonistic posts from Utah fans. I was wrong to do that. I pledge not antagonize Utah fans, and encourage everyone to pledge the same thing. If we want Utah on the map, we need to keep it civil and cheer each other on (except when we play each other)

  • jakartafan Houston, TX
    Nov. 14, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Many who have to make big decisions have the experience of finding out that their first decision was wrong. Kudos to him for being strong enough and humble enough to to make it right.

    You always look like a great coach if you have great players. But I think some coaches are overlooked who take good players and help them become great. Jimmer and Tyler Haws thrived largely because the coaches installed systems that maximize their talents -isn't that what good coaching is all about?

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 14, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Maybe all we need to do, is chill out, and enjoy ourselves a nice hot pocket. Right?

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Flawed and inverted logic about OSU. Ohio State has more people in the NBA because of the players they recruit. Andrew Bogut made Utah a great team. Utah did not make Bogut a 1st round pick out of an average recruit. Tell Danny Ainge or Damian Lilliard that their collegiate choices inhibited them. New Mexico and San Diego St have great players in the NBA. Add in the tangible benefits from being a student at BYU and Dastrup made the better choice.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Sure, you'll also get some fine engineers out of BYU or Wright State University, but wouldn't most future engineers prefer the world-class education and experience of MIT? Same with preparing for the NBA. Great talent will rise to the top no matter where they go, but if you want the best near-NBA level basketball education and experience, you go to North Carolina, Duke, or a very select few others.