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John Florez: Lee, a rebel looking for a cause

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  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    I can't say that I wholly agree with this assessment of Lee. I believe he hasn't conformed himself to the Washington DC mold because that mold is specifically designed to prevent anyone from altering in any meaningful way our headlong dash to financial ruin. It truly was a bad thing that people were hurt by the shutdown; much better, says conventional wisdom, to drive off the cliff so the pain and suffering can be universal!

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    John. I am saddened to see that you equate statesmanship and good representation to compromise and going along to not create waves. You are about my age and in our lifetimes we should be able to see what compromise has gotten for us.

    A part of the reason Lee was elected by the people of Utah was to help put an end to this gradual erosion of good government by compromising to the left toward more dependency on big brother and the constant growth in government we have seen over the years.

    Lee is to be commended, along with any of our other congresspeople, who chose to stand up for what is right rather than chose to be popular with the progressives.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Great column by Florez.

    To this point, Mike Lee has been intoxicated on his outsized impression of the power he possesses. The small, active, vocal minority that catapulted him to power in the Utah GOP convention are his ardent defenders, and if he only listens to them, he misses the opinion of the other 75%.

    The tea-partiers seem stunned, confused and in deep denial that the majority may not be of their mindset, and my sense is Mike Lee will fairly quickly be altering his tune, because Mike Lee is his own biggest fan, by far. If he can get Utahns to vote him into office while ignoring his personal finances, he can easily turn chameleon and become Orrin Hatch, Jr.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    An excellent, and HONEST appraisal of Lee's shenanigans. Thank you, Mr. Florez.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Mike Lee should stop worrying about other people's bills and start paying his own.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    WHAT?! Why is the DN running two negative articles on the same day about Senator Mike Lee? I thought this was a Church-owned and conservative newspaper. With this negative swipe at an outstanding Senator from the state of Utah, I then read the "credentials" at the end of this article. Oh, now I get it! This was written by an Orrin Hatch friend/former staffer. When does this insanity end? I would like to see a pro-Lee article in rebuttal soon in the Deseret News. How about capturing the upbeat spirit of the town meeting today for the great Senator from Utah, Mike Lee, and interviewing some of the great folks who will be attending with Mike Lee signs held high in the air!

    We are attending this rally in South Jordan this morning! If Ted Cruz can have an 8 minute standing ovation in TX, why not us in UT? I love this man, Mike Lee, for his principles, character, and down-right guts to stand up for what is right for us, the American people!

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Nov. 2, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    I would dearly appreciate it if some Lee's supporters, who consistently praise him for his uncompromising approach to politics, could provide clear historical examples of successful statesmen who refused to compromise.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    We sent Mike Lee to Washington to uphold the Constitution. That's what he's doing. Of course there will be opposition. The establishment sees him as a threat to their power. I'm grateful that he's standing up to them.

    I'm not surprised that the Hatch forces are trying to tear him down. They can't have a man with courage making Orrin Hatch look small.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    @Irony Guy:
    "Mike Lee should stop worrying about other people's bills and start paying his own."

    Typical grasping at straws reaction from the left. Mike Lee pays his bills. The 'other peoples' bill he's worried about and trying to do something about is the government debt of $17 trillion which, if not attended to, will drive the country over the proverbial cliff. Did you not know that, counting the national debt and the unfunded liabilities of the US, each taxpayer owes approximately $600,000 or more? That concerns concerned Americans including Mike Lee.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    @Unreconstructed Reb

    In the budget standoff, Mike Lee was the one searching for a compromise. Obama's position was "I will not negotiate."

    Obama and Reid allowed the government to shut down over the issue of funding for Obamacare. Now, after Obamacare's disastrous launch, hundreds of thousands (and eventually millions) of people will lose the insurance plans Obama had promised them they could keep.

    Mike Lee tried his best to avoid this.

  • Fed Employee Lehi, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Mike Lee is not a statesman, he is an ideologue. A statesman represents the entire state, not a portion of a political party. A statesman does not knowingly contribute to the financial harm of thousands of residents of his state by participating in a strategy which multiple experienced individuals told him was a fool's errand.

    He was not elected by the people of Utah, he was elected through a flawed caucus system which has been hijacked by special interest groups. I, along with many others, did not get a chance to cast my vote for who I felt was the most appropriate candidate because Utah does not hold a true primary as almost every other state in the nation does.

    Watchman, what did compromise ever get us? For starters, the United States of America was created and maintained through compromises between sovereign states who did not see eye to eye. If you want to see an example of what you get through a lack of compromise then look to Cuba and the former USSR.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    @Fed Employee:
    "Mike Lee is not a statesman, he is an ideologue. A statesman represents the entire state, not a portion of a political party."

    Mike Lee represents the people who elected him. If you didn't vote for him, you and your political position will not be represented. You need to get on the right side of the issues.

    "He was not elected by the people of Utah, he was elected through a flawed caucus system which has been hijacked by special interest groups."

    The caucus is but step one. The election is where everyone has a say. And they elected Lee.

    "I, along with many others, did not get a chance to cast my vote..."

    Perhaps you need to pay more attention.

    "... what did compromise ever get us? For starters, the United States of America was created and maintained through compromises..."

    Tell that to your Democrat friends including Harry Reid, Nancy Peloci, and Barack Hussein Obama.

    "If you want to see an example of what you get through a lack of compromise then look to Cuba and the former USSR."

    Or look at the Obama administration.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Folks are so used to seeing the "same old, same old" - "go along to get along" mentality in D.C. that they find it hard to even START to comprehend that someone would even CONSIDER being elected and doing the things they promised to do!

    Want "compromise"? Inform the two most rigid in D.C. Reid and Barack Obama.

    Then we can talk!

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    Horse hockey, as they used to say on MASH.

    This sounds like Mr. Florez is doing two things, but actually just one. That is to cover for the total lack of success, and really total lack of action by his former employer, Orrin Hatch, who has been on the job representing Utah for over 36 years while we got into this mess of unsustainable spending and constantly increasing entitlement programs.

    Part of that "cover for Hatch" strategy is to deflect attention from Hatch's inaction and lack of success by claiming that a guy who has been there for only a few years is some uppity bomb-thrower trying stuff that will never work.

    Well, maybe Lee's tactics did not work this time, but we have plenty of proof that the "go along to get along" strategy of Hatch and other timid Republicans constantly fails. We have not heard Hatch, or Florez, articulate their substitutes for Obama's destructive policies, nor even argue forcefully against them without a substitute.

    Bravo, Mike Lee!

  • Fed Employee Lehi, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    @wrz: "You need to get on the right side of the issues." Since when was it determined that Mike Lee is on the right side of the issues? As I stated earlier more senior members of his own party stated that he was wrong. Not just Hatch but Rove, Romney, McCain, etc.

    Even the Republic party has had to admit that the caucus system is flawed which is why they are limiting them to no more than 2 hours on the next round of elections. It's to keep the special interest groups from hijacking it like they did on the last one.

    "Perhaps you need to pay more attention." I paid attention but because of the flawed caucus system I didn't get to vote who I felt would best represent me as a Utah resident.

    "Tell that to your Democrat friends..." Nice generalization seeing as how I did not declare my political affiliation but good job at being wrong on your guess.

    "Or look at the Obama administration." Or look at the Reagan or Nixon administrations but don't look at any others because you might be wrong.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    @WRZ
    Search "Mike Lee Short Sale" on the search function at the top of the page, then read the first article. His bank lost 100's of thousands of dollars on his short sale. That's not paying you bills. It's living beyond your means. Sometime good people do that, but do you want them to be your elected representitive?

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    Did Lee and his like ever think there was any hope of winning and shutting down the ACA by having the country not pay its bills? Strange lack of logic.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    Florez for Senator 2016.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    Noodlekaboodle:

    That is troubling for sure especially as he rails on the debt and supporting shutting down the government.

    However, I think many out there have filed bankruptcy and then come back to be successful in many endeavors. Lee's politics at times bother me more so than his short sale.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 2, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    "They are the same ones he threw under the bus by shutting down government over the Affordable Care Act..."

    Lee did not shut the government down. The president shut the government. As head of the Executive Branch he's in charge of that branch of government. He (or his people under his direction) gave the order to close memorials and parks and shut down other government offices and operations. Lee couldn't do that. He hasn't the authority to do that. No one in Congress has the authority to shut the government down. And if it's a funding issue... remember, the House originates funding bills... which it did. Several times. And Harry Reid in the Senate refused to even consider or read the bills.

    "So much for the rule of law."

    Look who's ignoring the rule of law. You've heard of the Federal immigration laws, I would guess. Barack Hussein Obama's amnesty directive for millions of illegals is in direct violation of those laws. Look it up.

  • Fed Employee Lehi, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    The president did not shut down the government, the Anti Deficiency Act (ADA) shut down the government. If there is no budget then the government shutters its doors at the start of the new fiscal year. You're correct that no one person in Congress has the power to shut down the government however a person in Congress can contribute to the overall problem which shut it down such as Lee and Cruz did along with others who did not want to accept codified law as reviewed and passed by the 3 branches of government. They wanted to send any kind of budget that did not allow funding for the ACA. Flip roles and see if republicans wouldn't have acted the same as democrats if a democrat controlled house would have only sent appropriations bills up with the condition that the NSA not be funded. It would have been the same outcome.

    The point in the change in immigration policy was to target the most dangerous illegals.

    What's with the always using the president's middle name anytime you reference him? What, you don't like freedom of religion and the right to name a kid whatever you want?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    For a second I thought John was talking about Barack Obama! I couldn't disagree with him more, but it is nice to actually see him actually make a stand rather than always speak in generalities, just like his democratic and republican mentors! Anybody that actually believes in individual freedoms is an enemy to John because to John their are only collective rights defined by government, not by God. perhaps John will come clean on where our rights come from before railing against mike Lee, the best Senator Utah has ever had! My only advice to Mike is get out in one term before he becomes the pawn of the likes of Mr. Flores who only see the government as our savior, rather the God. (Please replace 'their' above with 'there'). my rights come from God and no one will ever convince me otherwise. there are million that believe as I do and more coming! mr. Flores would get further with me and others if he would engage us on fundamental issues. it was Barack Obama who caused the government shutdown!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Utah elected an antigovernment person as a Senator. He went for it at the Heritage bidding, lost and should resign.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    If anyone went to the neighborhood caucuses last election cycle, they were witnesses to Orrin Hatch hijacking the system by getting his kool-aid drinkers in force to get themselves elected as delegates. Watching his inaction after being elected, but not supporting the people who he is supposed to represent is evidence that he went back to Washington to collude with the beltway cronies who do not have an understanding of what is happening back home. Mike Lee knows what is needed because he understands the constitution and perceives the dangers that are upon us by the cronyism - regardless of party affiliation - which this author's employer (Orrin Hatch) represents, supports, and is fed by. Thomas Sowell is right - it is time to get rid of the hoodlums that bath in the power structure of D.C. Mike Lee is not intimated by it and does not bow to it. He is unwilling to collude with the destruction of our freedom. I thank God that Mike Lee is where he is and is doing what he does - because he represents something that is more rare than I would have ever dreamed. Honor.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    Did DNews read its own headline about millions losing their insurance policies before posting this editorial. Apparently Mike Lee called it right on Obamacare.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Nov. 3, 2013 2:07 a.m.

    @Mikhail

    It must be that Koolaid drinkers make up the majority of the population here in Utah because last I looked We had the highest turnout ever at a caucus night and Hatches delegates won hands down. Also Hatch not only won the primary he dominated it.

    The reality is you are drinking your own mix of fruit punch if you think that you and those who agree with you 100% are the only people with a valid well thought out "honorable" opinion. Maybe you should get out more and meet more people. Then you and Mike can realize that undercutting those who have been fighting on your side like Orrin won't help you win a battle. Sure Mike has his honor but he hasn't won where it counts, For that you will be thanking Orrin and Mcconnell when all is said and done who will build a coalition out of Dems and Reps to override a presidential veto when the law is extinguished.

    Of course when that happens you will ignore the coalition building to pass the override and instead focus on the shutdown where Mike alienated himself from relevance.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Nov. 3, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    So, it appears that Mike Lee is much loved because he doesn't compromise.

    Except when not compromising is damaging, in which case it's the Democrats who won't compromise.

    There are some pretzels in that logic, but whatever. I note that my question remains open.

  • Dr. James Rawson Orem, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    As expected John's Liberal bias speaks volumes in his criticism of Senator Lee. Lee is a man for our time. One who truly upholds the inspired Constitution of these United States. He stand for right when others, including Senator Hatch would cave to a lower standard in the name of compromise. One does not compromise their integrity to accept evil, Marxism as obvious in the Obamacare debacle. Conservative standards have always proven right........not once in the history of this nation has liberal/progressivism done anything but destroy the God-given rights of the citizens of this great country. What was shut down, John, was only those things that would anger Americans and turn them towards Obama....but, that blew up in his face when he spent more money closing National Parks and privately funded parks to make his selfish point. Your liberal/progressivism is speaking loud and clear John! We need an editorial writer who will stand up and support our Senator who speaks his mind and stand by it and doesn't constantly bow and scrape to this Regime!

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    Sen. Lee's folly time and again has been his serious lack of judgment. While the inability to correctly weigh the significance of events is usually seen as a liability, some unfortunately still interpret Lee's skewed and irresponsible politics as a courageous stand on principle.

    The demonstrated inadequacy of Sen. Lee's stiff conservatism as a constructive approach to the issues of the day is hard to ignore. Simply objecting to all things supported by the Democrats is bad enough; relentlessly pushing ill-conceived programs lacking in judgment is even worse.

    Lee and others of the ideologically driven are unyielding in their conviction that they alone trod the higher ground. They are the zealots of Salem blindly hunting witches, religious purists in pursuit of infidels and now the watchtower crowd engaged in a self-righteous crusade against "counterfeit" Americans smeared as Libs, Communists and Socialists.

    Attacking others is what they do best.

    Unlike some I fail to see the benefit of such behavior.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    Dr. James Rawson
    Orem, UT
    ...not once in the history of this nation has liberal/progressivism done anything but destroy the God-given rights of the citizens of this great country.

    ========

    Liberal/Progressives gave us the United States of America.
    They also freed the Slaves.
    Gave us National Parks.

    BTW - Liberal/progressives also gave us the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
    Unorthodox marriages
    Women's right to vote
    Freeing the Slaves
    Liberal Immigration
    Universal Healthcare
    Welfare System
    Socialist United Order

    BTW -- Do you believe in the 11th Article of Faith?
    You know -- Obeying, Honoring, and sustaing the laws of the land?

    I'm a Veteran, and have vowed my very life in the defense of that Constitution that Mike Lee and Ted Cruz set out to trample under foot.
    Are you?

  • hnoel Layton, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    Excellent column......"Good leaders bring people together and offer hope, rather than divide for self promotion."

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    IF he's a "rebel"... maybe that's a GOOD thing.

    Didn't Barack Obama campaign on the need to CHANGE Washington politics as usual? And the majority of Americans voted for him (because they desperately wanted Washington to change).

    Senator Lee also campaigned on a promise to CHANGE Washington politics as usual, and to get the Government back within Constitutional Limits (and he was elected by the vast majority of Utahns to represent them).

    At least once he got to Washington... Senator Lee is actually doing what he said he'd do in his campaign. The same can't be said for President Obama.

    You can disagree with Lee, but you can't say you didn't know who he was or that he would actually try to stand by the Constitution and try to change the status quo in Washington.

    I applaud him for at least trying. If more of his party would have backed him up (Sen hatch)... maybe things would be different today in Washington.

    You can't blame him for being himself (instead of a political drone). At least he's consistent. That's more than I can say for many politicians.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    So couldn't we just send a rock, maybe the state rock, a lump of coal, with a note attached that say "NO" to anything the democrats suggest, well actually it just says No to anything, except photo ops on fox. That would save us the wages he makes for being a lump of No.

    Statesman?
    He was elected to be one, he chose to be an obstructionist, who lost sight of his goal but kept fighting for...something?

    Hero?
    Opportunist, is not the same thing, doesn't a Hero save someone or some thing.

    Constitutionalist?
    He's (a) was a corporate lawyer, so his view of the Constitution is a bit askewed.
    A good example, was Mike and his former employer trying to force hotter nuclear waste into Utah by federal laws usurping state laws, because that's what he wanted the constitution to approve of then.

    Yep a lump of coal would represent us as well as mike.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Sen. Lee's folly time and again has been his serious lack of judgment. While the inability to correctly weigh the significance of events is usually seen as a liability, some unfortunately still interpret Lee's skewed and irresponsible politics as a courageous stand on principle.

    The demonstrated inadequacy of Sen. Lee's stiff conservatism as a constructive approach to the issues of the day is hard to ignore. Simply objecting to all things supported by the Democrats is bad enough; relentlessly pushing ill-conceived programs lacking in judgment is even worse.

    Lee and others of the ideologically driven are unyielding in their conviction that they alone trod the higher ground. They are the watchtower crowd engaged in a self-righteous crusade against "counterfeit" Americans smeared as Libs, Communists and Socialists.

    Attacking others is what they do best.

    Unlike some I fail to see the benefit of such behavior.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 4, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    @Noodlekaboodle:
    "His bank lost 100's of thousands of dollars on his short sale. That's not paying you bills."

    Why do you blame Lee? If you wanna blame someone for the short sale blame the bank's mortgage/loan department's ineptitude. Or perhaps the guys who caused the recent real estate downturn in the first place... namely Senator Chris Dodd and Representative Barney Frank (former) heads of Senate and House finance committees.

    "It's living beyond your means. Sometime good people do that, but do you want them to be your elected representative?"

    The guy that's living beyond his means is Barack Hussein Obama who's run up the national debt by more than all prior presidents put together.

    @Steve Cottrell:
    "Did Lee and his like ever think there was any hope of winning and shutting down the ACA by having the country not pay its bills?"

    The ACA needs shutting down. Obamacare alone will add over $1.5 trillion to the national debt over the next ten years.

    "Strange lack of logic."

    You got it.

  • Dr. James Rawson Orem, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    LDS Liberal: Interesting approach to the facts. First, they did not free the slaves...it was a Republican President and Republicans; 2nd, National Parks should be managed by the states within which they are founded; not a bloated Federal Agency; 3rd, The LDS Church was not founded by Liberals as you would define the term. Those founders upheld the Constitution of these United States, unlike the progressives/liberals of today; 4th, Plural Marriage was of God, until the FEDS ruled against it and the Church. But now, the Liberals approve Homosexual Marriage, totally against the teachings of Christ and the Church, i.e., the Proclamation on the Family; 5th, Illegal immigration is taxing this nation to an early financial death, yes sponsored by the Liberals who want votes; 6th, Universal Healthcare is an obvious Marxist program, forced by Government and totally anti-constitutional! Seventh; a welfare system that is nothing more than entitlements sponsored by the Liberals; The United Order was not Socialist nor forced; free agency applied. Obviously, you don't read, nor follow the counsel of the living Prophets on redistribution of wealth. Totally Against it!