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Utah Jazz, Gordon Hayward can't work out extension deal

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  • MarkA Logan, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    Let him go if needs be. Just don't do a Kirilenko.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    The way Harris played against OKC Hayward better be looking over his shoulder. I like Hayward and I think he has some great potential, but he still has a lot to prove before he becomes worth as much as he and his agent seem to feel he is worth.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:25 a.m.

    Hayward should understand that he isnt Paul George yet...can he prove he can do it? im not sure...seeing the pre-season and the first game of the year...there is no way that kind of performance is an all-star performance one....at least we have Alec Burks...if we got the first pick...Hayward leaving would be nice...he'd eat up the spot of either Jabari parker or Wiggins...

  • Spurz ,
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:06 a.m.

    Too bad for the Jazz. Now faced with cutting Haywards minutes this year or developing him for another team. He's not shown the loyalty to the Jazz described in the article. This will make his team mates wonder about his long term commitment. definitely not good. Sixty million not enough for you??? Sit him on the bench and start looking elsewhere. At lesat he has some trade value right now.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:06 a.m.

    I gave up on pro sports years ago for this very reason. I realized it was all about money, with all parties interested in nothing but separating the fans and their money. The might be loyalty on one side or the other, and at times both, but for the most part loyalty only goes as far as the size of the check. Miami and the three big ones are the perfect example.

    College sports are exactly the same, only those involved never talk about the money.

  • scodyshootfight KC, MO
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:41 a.m.

    Great job by Dennis Lindsey! This shows us how strong of a GM we have. He did not panic out of fear that Hayward might get more money. The fact that Hayward was seeking more than Favors is ridiculous. In my mind, you have to prove that you can put a team on your back and carry them into the postseason in order to earn that money, and Hayward has not even come close to that. He has shown flashes, but there is nothing wrong with the Jazz just waiting and seeing. If Hayward is a stud this year, THEN we can pay him with no problem. But after watching the opener, I think there is a strong possibility that Alec Burks becomes the stud of the future, and if we overpay Gordon, there won't be the money there for Alec and Enes. Anyway, great job Jazz! We can't afford max contracts for all our young promising guys, so this was the right move.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:51 a.m.

    This is disappointing. I have always been a Hayward fan, and I believe that the Jazz need him to one day vie for a championship. That said, I believe that Favors is equally as valuable long term, and I understand the Jazz being reluctant to offer Hayward a sweeter deal than the one signed already with Derrick.

  • md Cache, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 6:25 a.m.

    Some of the luster is now missing from GH.

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 6:42 a.m.

    Hayward not interested in Utah.... sad. Bring in Jimmer.

  • Bill Shakespeare Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    I'm fine with athletes getting a lot of money. But my opinion of Gordon Hayward just went down quite a bit. Is he even in the top half of NBA players? Seriously? He still hasn't learned to shoot consistently. In four years his hops are gone and we've got new Larry Kryskowski with a max contract. Gimme a break. Gordon, if you're reading, fire your agent. And also, take a reality check. You're not Michael Jordan.

  • buryme Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    Favors greatest contribution will be on the defensive side of the the ball. We need offense. Hayward does NOT give you offense. Look at his preseason shooting percentage. In the 30% plus range. Look at his shooting percentage in the first game. Enough said. He does not have a natural shot. A pure shooter he is not. His shot is very mechanical. One day he is on, the next day he is 4 for 16. You want Paul George money but you ain't Paul George.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Hayward did not deserve more money than Favors. Sounds like his agent is "inflating his ego" and his head. Agents get a sizeable chuck.

  • marine2 kennewick, WA
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    good coverage of a sad story. hope you folks will find out how much difference. had higher hopes for Hayward's dad to get involved. his best situation in NBA is in Utah.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    More than Favors? Really? Thank you Jazz for not overpaying

  • dave22 SOUTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    the jazz should really just look to trade him now.. another team will offer him the deal he wants in the summer; and the jazz will be faced with the same exact decision that they just passed on...

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Hayward is a baller but he's no Paul George. Now it is all on him to prove he is worth the 50+ million he and his agent were seeking. I expect him to give his absolute best effort this season to prove his worth. It will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure.

  • birwin Herrmian, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    As Seinfeld said, in the end we are all just rooting for laundry

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Where is that little boy we drafted?

    I'm glad we didn't give him what he was seeking. I like the kid, but he has yet to prove he is a big time winner.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    @JBQ

    you are right...these agents are poisons...they let their clients think they are better than they really are...If he proves he can be that main option...im all for him getting paid...but...a big but...if we get a top 3 pick...i would let him walk if i get either Jabari or Wiggins...is hayward valuable? yes...he'd be a good player...is he worth 10M? no...unless he dominates the rest of the season...and becomes a sure fire all-star....and people start talking about him....then yes...until that happens...he is just worth 5M a year...there's going to be a lot of bad tweets going towards Hayward's way...after what happened...im thinking he'd reunite with his old coach in Boston...and think about it...Greg Monroe...Eric Bledsoe and Hayward are all restricted free agents...you get a young core right there...

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    I concur with all the comments above. Hayward simply is not a max player and to value him above Favors would have destroyed any future for the Jazz. That said, he would be very high in trade value at this time. We have two first round picks for the upcoming draft. If we were to trade him to a struggling team for a third first round pick, we could make a commanding step toward our future as a team. We might even trade him to Sacramento for Jimmer and their first round pick and we could then have a shooting guard we could bring off the bench. I am sure the fans would love that to happen.

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Isn't the reason we let Milsap and Big Al go was to have the money to keep Favors and Hayward. I guess that didn't work out so well. The Jazz should have traded Hayward and kept Milsap.

  • ricecakes Murray, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    GH: Greedy. Me: Disappointed.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Smart move for Dennis, Hayward usually has a couple of months per season of all star numbers but the rest is just decent. He has to be the leader of this team! We'll see what he's capable of. If he proves he's worth the money than the Jazz will surely sign him.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Finally people are waking up to the obvious. Hayward is a nice player but nothing more. Max money for him is a joke.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    You got to admit he's gambling on getting better. He isn't close to being the best player on this team, and certainly not the best shooter. I think he has his eyes on Boston. I also agree that he might have his highest trade value right now. I have a feeling this kid isn't going to be a consistent shooting threat. My hunch is that he's peaked in his potential. Do the Jazz want him as a facilitator or a shooting threat? If he isn't shooting by February, then deal him. His game reminds me a little of AK. Lets not make that mistake again. All of this talk about Jimmer still puzzles me, I understand that he played great in the BYU system, but he hasn't made the jump to NBA player. I have a friend in the Kings area that follows them. They like Jimmers shooting, but he's getting schooled bigger players. He can hit threes all day, but if he can't defend a NBA size guard then he will not succeed. Ian Clark is a deadly shooter, but his size kept him out against that giant Thunder lineup.

  • Aaron38 Payson, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Is it about the money or the ego? It would be best if players didn't know what other players on the team were making. I'm satisfied with my salary, but if I knew how much others in my company were making I'd probably do the same thing GH and his agent are doing.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    hahahahahaha!!! Like I've been saying all along. Jazz are creating a losing culture here in Utah. Somehow Lindsay has convinced fans he can acquire all-star players at discount rates and the gullible fans believe it. They see the growth of OKC but ignore the current problems that franchise has with keeping players.

    Next offseason, regardless of what happens with Hayward, the Jazz will face exactly the same issues with Kanter and Burks. If they keep hitting at 50%, they will keep losing or trading players stockpiling young players from the draft and missing the playoffs every year because they will be in perpetual rebuilding mode.

    I hope I'm wrong but that's what I've been predicting ever since the GS trade when the Jazz folded their cards for this season. I expect to see the same thing next season.

  • Man in Charge Chihiuahua, 00
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Joe5 if your content with Mediocrity, Go cheer for the Nuggets or the Nets. 8th seed in the playoffs is good enough for you and they won't disappoint.

  • Rippinjazz Magna, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    Simply amazing what greed does to a person. Now he thinks he is Lebron?
    The Jazz said they would "like' him to become the face of the franchise. It is up to him to prove he is worthy of that honor. So far he is a long way from being a max player. To qualify for that kind of money, he should be averaging 18-6-6 on this crappy team. He can't even do that.
    After watching Weds. game, I would not pay him what Favors rec'd.

    Very disappointing.... let him go. We should have drafted Paul George anyway.

    Real nice Hayward.......

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    Paul George just signed a 5 year $90 million extension. And since he was taken 1 pick after Hayward in the 2010 draft, his agent somehow thinks Hayward should get some sort of similar deal. But as much as I'm a big Hayward fan, he is not the same caliber player as George. I believe he'll find that out next summer unless some team does something totally unrealistic and pays much more than he's worth. Stranger things have happened, but is not likely in this situation.

    Of course Hayward could still somehow elevate his game to an all-star level this season... again not likely. But if he somehow does, then his risk of not signing now will pay off. Had the Jazz paid what his agent is asking, they would be taking a risk very similar to what they took with AK-47 in which they got burned quite badly.

    Good players need to keep in mind there is a significant difference in market value between what they are worth and what teams are willing to pay for all-stars. It's the law of supply and demand.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Hayward has been listening to his agent too much. He is no Paul George.

    Where was Hayward when our team made a run to get back in the game against OKC? He was watching from the bench as Alec Burkes reeled off 13 of 15 Jazz points. Then Hayward came in made a couple of poor shot selections, 50% FT's, and a turnover.

    This league is about scoring. You don't deserve max money if you can't carry your team offensively and Hayward clearly does not have the ability to do that every night.

    No worries though. After this season without Jefferson, Millsap, and Foye to take defenses off of him Hayward will wish he would have taken what the Jazz offered him because now defenses will be on him as supposedly our #1 offensive option.

    His stats are not going to be great not to mention all the losses and he will be the posterboy for it.

    This is a guy you want on your team but he will never be THE guy. Jazz can always match and worst-case it won't be much different than what Haywards inflated head wanted already.

    Unfortunate greediness.

  • The Final Word Alpine, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    This is real simple.

    There are alot more Hayward type players than their are Favors type players.

    Long athletic defensive Centers are very hard to find. Small forwards are more common. Hayward is a good all around player but lets not forget the last big mistake the Jazz made overpaying an all around player who was not durable/capable enough to carry a team offensively.

    AK was an awesome player and could pile up the stats in multiple categories but you simply have to have top tier offensive players who can carry your team to compete and those are the players that get the big money.

    Hayward is a nice piece but he is not THE piece. He should not get paid much if any more than Favors. Besides Alec Burke has a rare skill of getting to the line and can get hot enough to carry a team. I rarely see that happen with Hayward.

    Alec is cocky and confident enough that he could be borderline star. Hayward is way to reserved and quiet to be THE guy. Just not in his makeup.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    @ Joe5:

    I'm convinced you're absolutely wrong about the Jazz management "creating a losing culture" with the team. What they are doing is creating a smart culture by following a solid plan that will entail stepping back a year or possibly two to get in position to become a very good team... something more than the mediocrity that most NBA clubs usually accept with short-term plans only.

    Paying Hayward what his agent is asking would seriously hamper their plan to take full advantage of the extra deep talent level in the 2014 draft and also the above average level of free agents that will be available next year. As it is right now, they will have a significant amount of salary cap space to take advantage of those conditions next year, which will set them up with a young, talent laden team for years into the future, starting with their multiple first round draft picks supplemented with a couple of solid free agents next year.

    Personally, I think it's a very astute move of Jazz management to stick to their plan and not let some unrealistic player agent derail it.

  • podunk utah DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    send him packing, any team that takes him has a sucker for a GM

  • 40. cal West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    Who even cares. All the Jazz do is rebuild. They start to get a good team and then they let them all go to rebuild. I think the Jazz should be sold.

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Let's see if he can prove that he is worth the amount of money he is requesting. Kudos to the Jazz for making him prove his worth rather than just giving it to him.

    By the way, he will make more in a year or two than I will in my entire lifetime. I HATE the attitudes of these yahoos; and to think they make ungodly amounts of money boils my blood. I would much rather follow college sports - any college sports, than pay for an NBA's athlete's exorbitant life style.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    Nov. 1, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    I'm guessing that Hayward is not greedy. I'm guessing that secretly he wants to remain with the Jazz, but he has left it completely to his agent to do contract negotiations. For those of you who say Hayward is not Paul George, wait a couple of years. George was lucky to be drafted into a more experienced group of teammates. In two years the core four will have much more experience. Gordon, think long and hard on this one. You can always fire your agent if you have to next summer.

  • mjllindsey west valley, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:09 p.m.

    There you have it. Now how does Jimmer look. Cheeper by the point. That oklahoma three point shot could have made a difference, that's what you must think. You see there is a place for shooters. clutch time very important. Natural shooters where are they? Just keep listening to u of u big mouths, And lose your chances. Adversity can make a man stronger. I see Jimmer hasn't given up. He might take less just to be given a chance. $$$$$

  • mjllindsey west valley, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    Go Jimmer

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Nov. 2, 2013 6:28 a.m.

    hawks are already talking about offering him a contract. next up kanter?

  • Man in Charge Chihiuahua, 00
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    mjllindsey

    If they will pay Jimmer Federal Minimum wage, I would be all for it.