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Wild road ahead: BYU, Utah and Utah State face season-determining November slates

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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    Utah has two top 10 teams on the schedule, one of whom we already beat. Utah has two more top 25 teams on the schedule. And this difficulty of schedule will be constant in our PAC 12 play.

    Byu and usu each have one ranked team, and they are playing their hardest schedules ever.

    Whittingham has proven he can beat END of season top 10 teams(Alabama, Stanford likely end top 10). Yes, he also has some bad losses. But I will take a coach that beats true(end of season) top 10 teams and loses to bad teams than a coach that doesn't even beat end of season top 10 teams

    We beat Stanford. Anything is possible!

    Go utes! We WILL go bowling. And wouldn't it be funny if we set a new NCAA record by beating the same team(byu) five times in four years.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:25 a.m.

    ‘Wild road ahead: BYU, Utah and Utah State face season-determining November slates’

    As opposed to the 'non season determining games' in Sept and Oct?

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Nov. 1, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    The would-a could-a should-a Cougars wouldn't have been awaiting to get noticed on the big national stage if they had brought their game to Virginia and Utah contests. They should be undefeated, but they didn't get the job done. Now they face another opportunity to get attention. May I suggest that they bring all the talk to the field and get it done this time? Go Cougars!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Nov. 1, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    @Cinci Man,

    I couldn't have said it better myself! It pains me to think what could've been if they had not messed up royally at Virginia and Utah! They missed a golden opportunity to make a statement for a BCS invite if they go undefeated the rest of the season. Here's hoping they keep the excitement going by pulling out upsets against Wisconsin and Notre Dame. Oh, and I hope Houston, Texas, Boise or Utah State win their respective conferences' championships! Wouldn't that be awesome?

    Go Cougars! Go Utes! Go Aggies!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    With by far the best win of anyone in the state this year, Utah will look to add another top 25 win between Oregon and Arizona State. That makes 4 teams currently in the top 25, two in the top 10(one of whom we beat). And this schedule will be typical as we continue in the Pac 12. It's going to be tough, but I'll take it over a MWC or quasi MWC schedule anyday!

    Go Utes!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    BYU is in a unique opportunity being able to say they bested multiple league champions if the dice roll just right. Get Wisconsin next week Cougars.

    USU should finish out 8-4.

    Utah hopefully pulls out two more wins and gets an at-large bowl invite somewhere like the heart of Dallas bowl.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Chris B., did you really just say that Utah may beat Oregon? Wow......just wow.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    I watched the ASU Wazzu game last night.
    ASU is a very good team, even with their best receiver out their offense dominated.
    Their defense is big and physical.
    Hopefully Wilson is healthy for that game because they are good.
    Wisconsin is probably the best pro style running team in cfb. The cougars offense needs to be consistent to protect the defense.
    Notre Dame beat ASU so enough said.
    Wazzu if the qb has time he is really good. Get pressure on him and he struggles.
    Go Utah Schools

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    The Chris B fantasy continues...Mark that down.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Since it seems anyone can say anything they want in regards to football, I've decided that I'm going to take a page out of that book instead of facing reality.

    For BYU:

    Someone is going to go into the mainframe computer system that controls everything. They are going to erase the two losses of BYU this year and change them to wins. Then, BYU is going to win out and play in the National Championship game against Alabama AND Oregon at the same time. BYU is going to win that game by a score of 257,981 to -45.

    For ASU:
    The same person who hooked up BYU will hook up ASU too. Don't need to change the Wisconsin game because the refs hooked us up before hand. ASU is going to go to the PAC champ game and beat Colorado who, not being in the north, still went. ASU is not going to play for the NC game because it was already too crowded. But they beat Ohio State in the Rose 79.5 to 1

    The same odds that these happen are the same odds that Utah will beat Oregon and ASU. You're dreaming.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    @ChrisB

    "Utah will look to add another top 25 win between Oregon and Arizona State"

    This comment is funny Christy!

    You have a better chance of winning the powerball lottery.

  • Levin Reno, NV
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Be fair, guys. Chris said Utah will look to beat Oregon. Likewise BYU will look for wins against Wisconsin and Notre Dame, plus for Wisconsin, Texas, Houston, Georgia Tech, and Boise State to all win their respective conferences, and give pollsters and computers greater confidence to bump BYU way up in the BCS rankings and send them to the Fiesta Bowl. Both are mathematically possible and are just about equally likely.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    @christy

    I know you think that your difficult schedule makes the utes the greatest team alive, but to say you would take it over a quasi MWC schedule is a touch inaccurate. BYU has the 21st toughest schedule in the league. Thats no MWC schedule. We did play two MWC teams and dominated both....Hey haven't you played those teams before too?...Oh yeah you barely squeaked by Utah St after getting beat by that team the year before....also how many times have you beaten Boise St?....Oh yeah that number would be ZERO. Remember the Vegas Bowl? 26-3 was the final score I believe. Seems those MWC foes do pretty well despite their extreamly low star rating!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Levin

    Sorry, but I have to disagree; Chris was making a prediction when she wrote: "Utah will look to add another top 25 win between Oregon and Arizona State."

    Unfortunately for Chris, Utah's "best win of anyone in the state this year" is proving to be more of a fluke, than an endorsement of the strength of Utah's football team. The win has been all but ignored by the vast majority of national media, coaches and fans, as Utah is ranked 20 spots lower than BYU in nearly every national poll and ranking.

    Just like nobody not living on the hill thinks Utah is better than Stanford, nobody except the hill dwellers thinks Utah or Virginia is better than BYU.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    BYU has determined its season already, no matter what happens in Nov.

    The Utes will be LUCKY to get a bowl game this year. They beat Stanford but couldn't win the games the absolutely had to have. As I see it they'll have to beat Washington State and then hold on vs Colorado to get a bowl, but with their USC performance staring them down they'll be lucky to win 1 of 4...

    USU would be the team to watch, they still have a shot at their conference. Imagine where they'd be if Keeton hadn't gone down!

    Good luck to all the teams in the State, they all three need to win win win!

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    We can’t help it because we are more awsome because we are bcs and they arn’t so that means our schedule proves it even though we lose alot.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Go Utes!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    Syracuse Coug,

    Be honest, how much of a chance did you give Utah against Stanford?

    That's what I thought

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    nhatch,

    How many end of season top 10 wins does Bronco have? Kyle already has one, and it will likely be 2 as Stanford will likely end the season in the top 10.

    Isn't it funny your coach talks about winning national titles and he's never beat an end of season top 10 team?

    And don't bring up beginning of season rankings, unless you really think USC was the best team in the nation last year, as they were ranked #1.

    Kyle 2 top 10 end of season wins
    Bronco 0 end of season top 10 wins

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    @Christy

    "Kyle 2 top 10 end of season wins
    Bronco 0 end of season top 10 wins"

    I actually don't think stanford will be a top 10 team. I think they are overrated. they are going to get beat down by Oregon and I think Notre dame is going to upset them. so you don't have 2 top 10 end of season wins you have one. we will see about whether or not a second one happens.

    Oh yeah and by the way your first top 10 win was when you were a lowly MWC non-aq team right? What was your star rating that year, cause it seems impossible that a team with a lower star rating they could beat an ALABAMA?

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    I think Utah does have a chance to beat Arizona State for this reason: they are playing in Salt Lake. Utah has been pretty good at home this year. It's on the road that they've struggled mightily, not having won a true road game yet (BYU doesn't count.)

    IF Utah manages to beat Arizona State, they will go to a bowl. I predict they will lose on the road to both Oregon and Washington State, then beat Colorado at home in the final game of the season. So, it all hinges on the game next weekend. Without that win, they will be under a lot of pressure to pick up two wins to finish the year.

    BYU may not be playing to change their bowl selection at this point, but winning out will put them high in the polls for next season and give them a chance to get into a big-money bowl.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    NavadaCoug

    "I think Utah does have a chance to beat Arizona State"

    Yeah, a snowball's chance. But a chance nonetheless.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    "Just like nobody not living on the hill thinks Utah is better than Stanford, nobody except the hill dwellers thinks Utah or Virginia is better than BYU. - deductive reasoning

    You know what's funny is byu fans thinking byu is better than Utah after losing head to head this year and losing 4 in a row.

    Here is something to think about: Utah has won 9 of the last 12 with byu. If not for last second miracle plays in 3 of those games, Utah would have won 12 straight against byu. And byu fans still think their team is better?

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    Will be rooting for ASU, et al, this weekend and beyond. Chris' stellar prediction (LOL) capability shows that she's generally 99.97% wrong, so with her on the yewts side, it's entirely realistic to see a 4-8 season - just what the pundits predicted.

    Go AnyoneWhoPlaysTheUtes!

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    "Syracuse Coug,

    Be honest, how much of a chance did you give Utah against Stanford?

    That's what I thought"

    I admit, not much, but that was before the mighty Utes put up a whopping 3 points on an injury riddled USC team who was missing half of their studs. People probably would be nicer to you if you just acted rational once in a while and quit bashing the other teams in Utah, like they were lucky to be in the presence of your all-mighty bcs team. Utah has struggled mightily in the Pac-12 the last two years and it doesn't look like that will change, admit it and give some of the other teams in the state a little credit. BYU and Utah State are playing some pretty darn good football right now.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    christy

    How many end of season losses to 10-loss teams does Kyle have?

    How many times has Kyle been SHUT OUT by a 10-loss team?

    How many losses to conference bottom dwellers like New Mexico, Wyoming, UNLV, Colorado St and Colorado does Kyle have?

    Why does Kyle have so few Top 25 finishes, and why, after beating the 5th-ranked team in the country, is Utah still struggling to become bowl eligible?

    Bronco: FIVE Top 25 finishes, THREE Top 15 finishes
    Kyle: THREE Top 25 finishes, ONE Top 15 finish

    With the 21st-ranked SOS, BYU is a couple of plays away from being undefeated this season, with SIX wins versus FBS teams and THREE wins versus BCS teams.

    With the 4th-ranked SOS, Utah is 4-4, with THREE wins versus FBS teams and only ONE win versus a BCS team.

    BCS Ranking: #28 BYU > #45 Utah

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Let's look at using Chris B logic to see who will win will the ASU/uofu game:
    ASU pounded WSU in Pullman by 34, WSU beat USC at home by 3, USC beat up the Utes using walk-ons by 16.
    Hmmm.....ASU will win by 53 points.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    KH

    "You know what's funny is BYU fans thinking BYU is better than Utah after losing head to head this year..."

    Not as funny as Utah fans thinking they have a chance against ASU, after losing NINE in a row, and being dominated by the Sun Devils since Utah joined the PAC.

    btw, it's not just BYU fans thinking that BYU is better than Utah, EVERY national ranking - AP, Coaches, Harris, USA Today, CBS Sports, BCS, Sagarin, etc. - says that BYU is significantly BETTER than Utah.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    KH

    Name the national poll or ranking that has Utah ranked higher than BYU.

    Higher = BETTER

    One game does not a season make, especially when that one game wasn't decided until the final play of the game.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    It's interesting how sacrosanct the polls and rankings are when Utah fans are talking about Utah's or their opponent's rankings, but how meaningless those same polls and rankings are when Utah fans are talking about BYU's or their opponent's rankings.

    USA Today
    #26 BYU > #59 Utah

    CBSSports
    #29 BYU > #46 Utah

    Sagarin
    #24 BYU > #39 Utah

    BCS
    #28 BYU > #45 Utah

    Average
    BYU 26.75 > Utah 47.25

    BYU also finished #28 AP and #30 Coaches, while Utah didn't receive a single vote in either poll.

    BYU has finished with a better and higher ranking in five of the eight seasons during the Bronco-Kyle era, and that trend looks to continue this year.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    There really isn't much difference between the strength of opponents Utah and BYU has so far faced as both slates featured top 25 schedules. The key difference is in how they handled those opponents. Utah has squeaked out narrow nail-biter wins over BYU, USU and Stanford. BYU has dominated Texas, Boise State, USU, GT, MTS and squeaked out a narrow nail-biter win over Houston.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    Utah was slightly better on September 21st.

    BYU is much better today.

    It remains to be seen which team will finish better overall.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    I don't know how you Utah-based BYU fans put up with what appears to be the constant water torture of Ute nonsense. If the DesNews comment section is anything like life on the streets of Salt Lake City, or like I remember it being when I lived in Utah while going to school, I would have chewed my arm off by now.

    Is it just impossible dreaming to suppose that the Ute fan base will some day focus on competing in the Pac-12 instead of obsessing on their life-long inferiority complex with regards to BYU and to the BCS? Talk about sad.

    As someone who was born in and has lived in PAC country most of my life, with the refs having their thumb on every game, with the haves-versus-have-nots caste system, and with some of the most entitled and obnoxious fan bases in college sports, I'm grateful every day that BYU is not a part of that conference.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 1, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    @Chris B, the passage of a few weeks has helped pull back the curtain to bring more clarity to the state of the PAC. The truth is Stanford wasn't an isn't nearly as good as their ranking says they are-- then and now. There is only one juggernaut in the PAC and we know who that is. And they are the recipients of having a Nike VP donating piles of cash to their program.

    All of the other PAC12 teams are fairly matched. And none of them would clearly dominate the old MWC.

    Mark that down! Its true.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Nov. 1, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    I also wanted to applaud the Utah-based fans who, regardless of which team is their favorite, want to see all three of their state's FBS schools do well, now that none play in the same conference. It's a nice sentiment I am trying to emulate.

    Which is why I root loudly for "the You-Dub" and Wazzou whenever they play Utah.

    Go Cougars!

  • Cougsrock original Maricopa, Az
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Chris B. Utah would have to finish 6th in the pac10.2 to play BYU. Not 9th.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    WA_Alum&Dad:
    "If the DesNews comment section is anything like life on the streets of Salt Lake City, or like I remember it being when I lived in Utah while going to school, I would have chewed my arm off by now".

    Yep, that's why I only have a nub left. It is torture to listen to from some fans while others are very reasonable. How many other programs after losing to the dead beat programs the utes have in the last couple weeks still be on boards trying to diminish the accomplishments of their rival? Probably none...the classy ones would tip their hat, and the trolls would go back under the rock they came from. But not specific ute fans...they could be 1-7 right now w/ their lone victory over BYU and still be talking SOS (as if BYUs isn't high) and giving all the "evidence" for their superiority because they beat the Cougars again. Maybe God feels sorry for them and that's why he allows them to beat BYU...we all know who the rest of America thinks/knows is better so there has to be some reason.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    Chris B
    No thanks, BYU has bigger fish to fry and higher aspirations. We're tired of stubbing our toe on little ole U. We'd rather demolish the Big 12 champion or go down the wire in an exciting game to the American champion, or throttle the MWC champion or runner-up...oh wait we've already done all that. What good would playing little ole U do for the Cougs? Nada. We'll take a team who has tradition and actually competes in the PAC12 like Washington or USC...we just don't have the time (or toes) to be tripping over little brother anymore.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Nov. 1, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    Here is a question:
    IF Texas goes on to win the Big12, will Utah's win over Stanford still be considered the biggest win by a Utah team?

    For rational fans, the question will be raised and logically debated.

    We already know what the irrational fans will say.

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    Chris B

    You should be thankful for all of BYU wins since playing the U. Utah win over BYU make the Utah program not look so weak. Now if BYU had beaten the U, then the Utah fans would be having the worse season being having only three wins. So Utah and Chris if you really that good of a program then cheer for BYU so your teams win will look better, because the word on the street in football land about Utah is they only get up for BYU and once in awhile have a fluke game and beat one good team and then lose to all the other good teams. Word about BYU is that they are improving each game and have a QB that is showing some real promise that is getting some national attention. So Chris realize if BYU loses it make Utah look even worse, BYU win Utah looks better.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    To all you people who are saying that Utah is better than BYU because they've won more rivalry games must have forgotten that it is just ONE game out of a WHOLE SEASON. I'm pretty sure that the greatness of a team is based on more than one game! I think the problem is that Utah fans are use to their season ending every year after the "big game" so they've forgotten that most other teams actually have a season to finish. Last time I checked, BYU was ranked higher than Utah on all of the polls (that was after Utah beat Stanford and BYU lost to you guys). Says a lot to me. If you look at in-state games then yes, Utah is the better team and congrats on your one game a year but if you look at the team overall during the course of the season then Utah is NOT the best team in the state.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    Thank you for the good laugh.. First of all, by November 23rd, Notre Dame will be in the top 20.... Maybe the top 15.... ASU will not lose on the hill in RES... Oregon will not lose on November 16th in Eugene... I wish more than anything that all these losses save Arizona weren't against quality teams.... However, let us be very clear that losing even to respectable programs is still LOSING... The great teams simply don't do that... So Ute Nation! Please quit pounding your chests until as a PAC-12 team you pull off an Alabamaesque season!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    Addendum: Even Arizona is a 'quality' loss as it were... 8 of 12 are well above 500 for the season... It is time for the other 4 to put up or cut out! With USC winning tonight like they did in Corvalis this is one of the best seasons in Pac-12 history! But I'm thinking t

  • Utefan4Lyf West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    For those you knocking Chris' predictions, remember that he was practically the only one that said Utah would beat Stanford, and how did that turn out for him? Hope and belief in your team isn't always a bad thing.

  • Utefan4Lyf West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    @Y>U:
    When all else fails, use the logic of others to prove your team is better. You can use the standings, I'll use the stats of the last 12 games to determine which team is better. Ultimately that is all that matters between two schools. If you can't beat them on the field you are not the better team. Otherwise, you are simply using the accomplishments of others to try and make your team look better. If BYU won every game this year, except Utah, and Utah lost every game, except BYU, Utah would still be better than BYU. There is no disputing it really.

  • MountainMan25 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    "With by far the best win of anyone in the state this year, Utah will look to add another top 25 win between Oregon and Arizona State. That makes 4 teams currently in the top 25, two in the top 10(one of whom we beat). And this schedule will be typical as we continue in the Pac 12. It's going to be tough, but I'll take it over a MWC or quasi MWC schedule anyday!"

    I'm not sure I share your enthusiasm. Think about 2004 and 2008. Would you have rather been in the MWC those years, gone undefeated and played in a major bowl? Or would you have rather traded places with say, Arizona or Washington State, two schools who seem to be our PAC 12 "peers"?

    I thought we would have seen some PAC 12 success by now. Upsetting a Stanford team that was looking ahead to UCLA hardly qualifies as a big-time win.

    The fact is, we are mediocre in the PAC 12, just like the detractors said we would be. And I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, at least not with our current leadership.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Utefan4Lyf

    Yes, when all else fails, resort to feeble "logic" arguments, instead of accepting the only facts that really matter, final records and end of season rankings.

    "For those you knocking Chris' predictions, remember that he was practically the only one that said Utah would beat Stanford"

    Simple math: if you throw out enough wild predictions, inevitably, one of your predictions will hit the mark. Try it yourself - bet the heavy underdog in every FBS game this week. You're almost guaranteed to get at least one right.

  • Utefan4Lyf West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Ufan:
    So you're saying that BYU playing a weaker schedule and having more wins at the end of the season proves they are a better team that Utah, who beat them head to head? Explain your logic? The only thing that matters is the final score between two teams. The rest does contain a direct correlation and can be discounted. In other words, try again.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 4, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    @ Utefan4Lyf
    I have to disagree a head to head score does not mean everything.
    Texas A&M beat Alabama last year, was Texas A&M the National Champion?
    LSU beat Alabama in 2011 and then lost to them in the National Title game so who was better then?
    In 2008 Florida lost a game to Ole Miss and was still the National Champion.
    A season is made up of games. So lets say the season is a pie and games are pieces?
    Is it more important to have a good pie than a good piece.
    I think the Utes are a good team but they have been really good in pieces.
    BYU has been terrible for a couple pieces other than that pretty good.
    Utah has a tough schedule (according to ESPN #2) but so does BYU (ESPN #12) the key is BYU has won more than Utah.
    The utes did have a great victory head to head.
    But head to head games don't mean everything (How many champions in any sport have lost some games)

  • IrieUte west valley, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Nevada coug,

    "(BYU doesn't count.)"

    Good point, they have won every contest against the utes in their mind.