Love to hear it.
When the future full-blooded American Indian Moses comes forth upon this land of
the USA in the not-too-distant-future, then hundreds of thousands of American
Indians will be baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ [WHQ: Monongahela,
Pennsylvania]. What great joy that will be!
True Lamanites. They have found their piece of history long ago lost for them:
Book of Mormon. Embrace Church and share your wisdom and traditions my brothers.
Michigander"When the future full-blooded American Indian Moses
comes forth upon this land of the USA in the not-too-distant-future, then
hundreds of thousands of American Indians will be baptized into The Church of
Jesus Christ "I'm lost. You love making predictions based
on nothing. More likely, very few of them will join. But hey, keep the
outlandish predictions coming.oldschoolerYes, lets
ignore all of the DNA evidence stating that native americans did not come from
where the Book of Mormon claims they did...
Brahmabull:I agree with you. Let's ignore the DNA evidence that
does not support the BOM, but let's accept the DNA evidence that does.
I'm sure that is what you meant to say.
maclouieOldschooler claims Navajo people are true lamanites - DNA
evidence says that it cannot be the case... Native Americans did not come from
where the Book of Mormon cliams they did. So far, I have seen no evidence that
supports the Book of Mormon claims
@MichiganderLet's be careful about sounding arrogant in regards
to those who are joining the LDS Church. My hope and prayer is that more will
join, but our missionary work should always be done with a motivation of pure
love rather than mere numbers.@BrahmabullThose who argue
about DNA evidence need to understand a few things. 1. There is
nothing in the Book of Mormon to suggest the entire Western Hemisphere was empty
before Lehi and his family arrived. When the Book of Mormon talks about a land
God has prepared for Nephi's people (2 Nephi 1:5) there's little
explained in terms of how big this land is or where its location is. 2. A careful reading of the Book of Mormon explains that numerous Lamanites
and Nephites were killed in war after war between the two sides. Research has
shown that in many places and in many civilizations, mtDNA lineages have been
greatly dissipated for various reasons, including war and disease.3.
There's little in the Book of Mormon which discusses migration patterns,
but clearly, the Nephite and Lamanite populations could not have grown as fast
as described unless outside groups joined them.
One more piece of confusion to add to the DNA question. Most of the DNA looked
at from determining race comes from the mother. We have no idea what race or
tribe of Isreal, if indeed they were Isrealites, did Sariah or Ishmael's
wife(s) come from. We only know that Lehi was a descendant of Joseph, who's
wife was an Eqyptian, Aseneth, and that Ishmael was also an Isrealite. I
don't remember where I found this. But we have nothing about their wives.
Also, I agree that there were other peoples on the American continent when they
arrived. Don't forget that Mulek was of the tribe of Judah, but he was not
even a teenager and probably a small child when he arrived. Those with him were
probably not all Isrealites either, very likely Phonecians or other ocean going
peoples. Remember the people of Zarahemla were more numerous than the Nephites.
So without even adding other peoples, we have a huge potential of other
bloodlines than just Jewish to spread their DNA among Lehi's descendants.
Brahmabull,The future full-blooded American Indian Moses is the
Choice Seer written of in 2nd Nephi, chapter 3 in the Book of Mormon. He is also
mentioned in several places (prophecies) in the KJV Bible. These are
predictions based on the 2 books of scripture and not on any one person's
opinion or interpretation. Also, the DNA evidence is not even remotely
conclusive. Only the scientifically simple minded would believe the current DNA
evidence or research is conclusive - not by a long shot. The Church of Jesus
Christ [WHQ: Monongahela, PA] is the only church on the face of the earth that
believes that the Choice Seer is the future full-blooded American Indian Moses.
His coming forth gets closer every day. What a great and glorious day that will
be for the aboriginal/indigenous people of North, Central, and South America, as
well as for the aboriginal/indigenous peoples (10 lost tribes of Israel) of
Asia, Australia, the Pacific Isles, Nunavut, and Greenland.
Last week I read an article in the BBC website about a DNA study of a young boy
found in Siberia dating tens of thousands of years ago. His DNA did not match
other Asian groups, but did match folks from ancient Europe. However, he had
one DNA trait that is only found in Native Americans and is common to every
tribe throughout North and South America. The part of the article
that intrigued me is that there is something common in all Native American DNA
that is not common anywhere else ... except this young boy from long ago. In
spite of all the mixing through the millenia, this trait endured.The
whole DNA story has yet to be discovered, but these glimpses are exciting.
ClarkHippo,I am not speaking about the American Indians joining your
church (Utah LDS). I am speaking about the American Indians joining MY church
in the future - The Church of Jesus Christ [WHQ: Monongahela, Pennsylvania]. Also, there is no boasting or arrogance in this proclamation. My church
only boasts in the great and marvelous and wondrous future works of our great
God, just as Ammon did boast of the Lord in the Book of Mormon (Alma 26:10-16).
gmlewis,The most likely reason that the one DNA trait found in the
ancient Siberian boy was found only in Native Americans is because the Inuit
people (formerly known as the Eskimo) of Siberia, Alaska, Nunavut (formerly far
northern Canada), and Greenland (all extreme northern countries of the earth)
are the lost tribe of Benjamin, the younger brother of Joseph of Egypt. And
given the fact that the American Indians are all descended from Joseph of Egypt,
that would make their descendants all cousins. This is a great and wonderful
mystery of God that all the DNA researchers have not been aware of but that
certain discerning people do know about. Also this DNA trait would be more
evident because Joseph of Egypt and his younger Benjamin were full brothers,
having the same father and mother (Jacob/Israel and Rachel). The whole DNA story
has indeed yet to be discovered, but these glimpses are definitely exciting, as
you have said. The surface has only been scratched as it has been said.
Living in Flagstaff, AZ has really opened my eyes to the great potential of this
people. They have been abused time and again by Anglo settlers and government
and hopefully will re-discover what makes them an incredible culture. A
disproportionate percentage of baptisms occurring in our ward come from Navajo,
Hopi and Havasu heritage and they add so much love and diversity to our ward and
I served my mission among the Navajos in Tuba City, Shiprock, etc. We had
baptisms...but very poor retention after the baptisms. So this story is
encouraging.As for DNA, this never bothered me. The Book Of Mormon
says that a "remnant of the seed of Joseph" would survive. How much is a
remnant? I guess we are seeing with recent DNA samples.
Given the geography of where they have resided historically, the Navajo are
probably one of the tribes who are most closely related to the people of the
Book of Mormon. It makes sense that they would find the stories of the Nephites
and the Lamanites most compelling, because they are truly an account of their
history moreso than they are of many other ethnic groups. Plus, the
Church's teachings are the antithesis of everything that goes on in the
typical "Indian" reservation—which in and of itself is enough for
them to seek to immerse themselves in the Gospel as much as possible.