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Letters: Sen. Mike Lee's principled stand

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  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:11 a.m.

    "...ongoing socialist takeover of America..." What? Obama is a centrist's centrist. The ACA is an attempt to save the private health insurance business in the face of its nonperformance. Obama's foreign policy is a carbon copy of Bush.

    Obama's patches won't save capitalism, which is in its final epoch. I know this because wealth is becoming ever more concentrated in fewer hands, corporations are getting bigger and bigger, and wages are frozen. This is capitalism in its death throes.

    The writer will soon find out what socialism is really about (it's not a bad as he thinks).

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:30 a.m.

    Lee has no principles, unless you think that doing what is necessary to pander to the far right so he can get money is a principle. Lee was playing politics to pander to the far right. Nothing more, nothing less. As a result, the country suffered. It's long past time to get Lee out of office.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    The problem with hyperbole (“a tidal wave of socialism”) is that when used in place of accurate descriptions, when you actually see the real thing you have no words left to describe it.

    Like those old commercials showing a frying egg with the message “this is your brain on drugs,” when I see letters like this full of doom & gloom and self-righteousness (usually masquerading as Principle), the first thought that comes to mind is – “this is your brain on fear-based media.”

  • ProSteve Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Sorry, but a true statesman seeks common ground and compromise, neither of which describes the self absorbed senator.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Mike Lee sets a bad example because he walked away from student loans and a mortgage.
    He is too narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned to be an effective senator.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    "....may just save the Republican party from itself as it moves toward abandoning substantive defense of its own platform in a descent to irrelevance."

    Are you KIDDING? He is the best campaign manager our next president, Hillary Clinton could ever hope for!

  • Dave M Louisville, KY
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    In standard English, "may just save the Republican party" translates to "leave the party in a smoldering heap of rubble".

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Wow...any supporters of this opinion out there?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    "The socialist takeover of America"
    Tell me about it! Every time I go to Europe I feel so bad for those citizens. You can just see the sadness in their eyes that they know they will never be burdened by unneccesarily large healthcare costs. You can just see how badly they want to pay their own huge medical bills.
    Also, some countries even cover the cost for college. Those poor kids will never know the huge blessing that comes with tens of thousand of student loan debt.
    Please, don't ever do those things in America. We need our huge debts in order to find true happiness.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are more like the rebels of South Carolina. I'll stand with the principles of Lincoln rather than those who would tear the nation apart. I guess the real test for these mindless anarchists is when a President is eventually elected (if it ever happens again) from their own party. Will they still keep singing the same song, or will all their problems magically go away?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    This letter reads like a summary of all the right-wing radio talking points. Did he leave any out?

    Is there really any rational way to defend Mike Lee? I mean, even Orrin Hatch is attacking him, now that the crisis is over. Before it ended badly for the Republicans, I could have sworn Hatch was a tea party defender.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Standing on principle is a good thing, but only if your principles are good. Unfortunately, Lee's principles are a mixed bag, and by standing on the worst of them, he imperils his party.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    Great letter. I'm proud of Sen. Lee and Sen. Cruz for their courageous stand on Constitutional principles.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Statesmen work to get things done together. They meet in the middle, compromise. It's those Kennedy-Hatch bills. That's not Mike Lee.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    History is full of people who stood on their principles and made others suffer for it. The Ayatollah Khomeini comes to mind.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    Marxist: Although I am a conservative, I recognize that Mike Lee is way to the right on the political spectrum. But I have to laugh when committed leftists insist that Obama is somewhere in the middle. He is about as left as they come. I guess to a marxist his policies make him seem like a "centrist's centrist".

    Mike in Sandy: There are lots of us who support conservative principles. We just don't spend all day logging in under a dozen different user names, make similar comments, and "like" all the other stuff we wrote so that it seems like there are lots more of us than there are.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    "He is acting the part of a true statesman insisting on more than pretend push back against the tidal wave of socialism that is sweeping America even amidst calls by many self-styled conservatives to compromise."

    =========

    Wowzers!
    That's some carnival barking to put even Joseph Goebbels to shame!

    And yes, the Nazis represented the uber-far-right-wing.
    and No, they were Fascists, not Socialists - even though they used "Socialist" it in their name to win support from the Unions.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    The last month has not been kind to Mr. Lee's poll numbers in his home state, and he's even lost support of many influential business leaders who backed him in 2010.

    Sun Tzu succinctly addressed the biggest problem facing Mr. Lee and the Tea Party: "Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."

    The last month has made it abundantly clear that the Tea Party has no strategy for winning the GOP's civil war, much less a general election.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    This is promoting Tranquility? I think it's nothing more than fund raising since he has offered no reasonable solutions to the issues at hand.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    The Senator when all in and shutdown government threatening not to open unless the funded ACA was defunded. He lost. he owns it, and should resign.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    Those who can't read or won't read the Constitution will continue to smear Mike Lee. The rest of us will thank him for standing against all those, including Obama's "community organizers" who frequenent these forums.

    When so called "citizens" attack a Senator who is doing his duty to uphold the Constitution, when they demand that their opinion override the Constitution, they have much to apologize for.

    History is not written at the moment that acts are "committed", but history will be written when the true intentions of those who committed those acts are fully understood. Those who attack the principles that govern America will be included in the footnotes as those who also attacked the Constitution that God permitted to be ratified on this Contenent for His purposes. They will be numbered with those who used their mortality to fight against agency and accountability.

    Senator Lee is numbered among the Patriots who put duty above "situational ethics". If the "media" had the courage to defend the Constitution as Mike Lee has, we would not be listening to those in Washington who preach against our Constitution nor would we read in our newspapers articles that smear true patriots.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    At least we know who Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are now. Along with Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and others I'm glad some of these new politicians in D.C. are trying to do something to muckrake that place, which it desperatly needs. Read the list of Congressmen and Senators some day, and you will see names you've never heard of from around the country. Then you will notice that they have been there for years and years. Those people learned early on to just sit quitely in the corner, make no waves, be good dependable votes for the leaders, and they will get all the Washington D.C. goodies coming to them. I don't want those guys going to D.C. and spend their time sitting on the bench maintaining the status quo as so many do. I want them to grab the bat and take some swings. Sometimes they will strike out, sometimes they will hit homers. I hope they keep going and tell the likes of Hatch and McCain it's time to retire.

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    Principled, maybe. Doesn't mean it was the wise thing to do. If Obamacare is so terrible, why not let it stand on it's own merits? So far, it's failing in that regard.

  • Pat Salt Lake , UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    I admire Mike Lee's integrity. He doesn't say one thing to get elected and do something else once elected (no surprises here). As far as grandstanding to raise money this is a fallacy. The main source of $ would come from the RNC and the Republican establishment and they certainly aren't going to give him anything.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    Those who can't read or won't read the Constitution will continue to smear Mike Lee.

    =========

    You mean like a law passed by the House,
    passed by the Senate,
    signed by the president,
    and upheld by the Supreme Court,

    And Mike Lee with-holds ALL Government spending unless he gets HIS way?

    Trampling the Constitution is not the same as reading it and interpreting it through your rose colored - politically biased and myopic - glasses.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    @Mike Richards – “Those who can't read or won't read the Constitution will continue to smear Mike Lee. The rest of us will thank him for standing against all those, including Obama's "community organizers" who frequenent these forums.”

    And I understand (but don’t agree) with your disdain for our “Community Organizer-in-Chief” but let’s not forget that he was also a Constitutional Law Professor at one of the top law schools in the country.

    And let’s also try and remember that the SC upheld this duly passed law and that it had nothing to do with the annual appropriations process that funds most of the government (except those things that have dedicated revenue like Social Security and yes, the ACA).

    So based on all that, and almost 230 years of constitutional procedures for governing, are you quite certain you know who is following the Constitution and who is stomping it under their principled feet?

    And let’s not be too quick to assert God is on our side… history is full of people who claimed this for loosing and morally reprehensible causes (e.g. the pre-Civil War South).

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    I would like the Deseret New or KSL to fund a survey in Mike Lee's Senate district to see what percentage of the residence "currently" support his positions. There is nothing to fear is there? Truth is like sunrise in the morning.

    Most of the comments are negative toward Senator Lee.

    One poster intimated that people sign in under different names and slanted the comments.

    Former Governor Huntsman stated as I remember only forty percent of the people in Utah "currently " support Lee's positions.

    I would really like to see an "honest, non slanted " poll telling us how the people in his district approve of his actions or not.

    I feel it would be a news worthy item don't you?

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 7:09 a.m.

    Mr Richards, Mr Lee violated the very first paragraph of the Constitution. Of course that's just my interpretation. Funny how Tranquility means so many things to so many people.
    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Has anyone heard of Senator Lee's current approval rating in his district?

    I would be interested in knowing

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    even though they used "Socialist" it in their name to win support from the Unions. And the unions bought it and put him in power.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    You mean like a law passed by the House,
    passed by the Senate,
    signed by the president,
    and upheld by the Supreme Court,

    I did not know prohibition still was being enforced.

    Lee supported passing new legislation, allowed by the constitution. The idea that new laws that change or effect old laws is a vote for tyrannical rule kind of like Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot. They passed the law no one can change it but them. Where did your support for democracy go? Can't a majority change a law? The House by a majority passed a new law affecting a previous law. The Senate by majority did not pass the law by a majority. The House compromised and new law was passed. That is how the constitutional legislative process works. Nobody, trampled the constitution in this process. It is the way it is supposed to work.

    As to posting under different usernames, I think I have identified one with at least six different identities but that is another story. Maybe you could ask him to identify all of them for us.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    It is interesting how these people complain about the government, yet they seem to like the part of it the gives them power. Our country isn't being overwhelmed by socialism. Sure, we should make changes to any program as needed, but that isn't what republicans want. They want to take away anything that benefits, not only the poor, but any average American. They then give all entitlements to the wealthy and to big business! If 90% of the wealth is in the hands of 1% of the people, it is safe to say that they are going to have to share if we want the bills to be paid! Take away all entitlements to the poor and guess what, we will still be right back where we began! It is all about what people are worth. It is all about how we value each other and I am sick of people who pretend to be such good Christians, but care nothing about others. Yeah, lets just give up all the government that benefits the average American and let the wealthy take it all! Lets play monopoly. Who do you think will win?

  • Creaver Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    If I were a Democrat, I'd max out my donations to Mike Lee's reelection campaign. He's doing more to destroy his own party with his "principled" stands than any Democrat ever could.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 24, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    ‘Letters: Sen. Mike Lee's principled stand’

    I can only hope it ends like:

    Custard's Little Big Horn,
    Napoleon's Waterloo
    the Alamo,
    and Thelma and Louise.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:33 p.m.

    Senator Lee,
    Repeat daily:

    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
    (Reinhold Niebuhr)

    You have much to learn.