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Hatch says Lee, other tea party Republicans need to be 'rehabilitated'

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  • BYR West Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    That would be a start, but Orrin, I suggest you take the course as well.

  • LelandTC West Valley City, 00
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    I would much rather have Lee in the Senate than Hatch. In my corespondence to both men, Lee has held to his campaign promises of striving for change whereas Hatch is a steady as she goes politician and has different ideals depending on whos support he is trying to get. I thought it was quite humorous when Hatch tried to convince people he was a Tea Party supporter, until the Tea Party said, umm... no. Hatch doesn't like to make waves in Congress, but I think we need people there who aren't afraid to make waves.
    Both are good people, I just think Hatch has given up the fight for smaller government, a balanced budget, and taxation reform (unless you consider Obamacare tax reform). Hatch is a statist rather than a reformist, and we need reform.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    Hatch said. "The best thing to do is do the job, really work hard, (and) stay away from extremes unless you're absolutely sure you're right."

    Newsflash, Orrin... People are extreme because they think they are "correct" right out of the gate.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    Hatch needs to head back to his home state of Pennsylvania. He represents their values more than Utah's. After-all, he campaigned initially on the premise that Frank Moss had been in too long......18 years. Now going on six terms he has demonstrated his inability to get anything done. You only hear from him every six years for reelection. He is a part of the problem

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    Though Hatch said this would be his last term in office, I fear I am starting to see the basis for Hatch's next Senate campaign. He loves power, & loves the US Senate. He straddles very well.

    His next campaign will state that he had no intention of running again, but he is forced to because DC needs someone with experience who knows how to change things there, & needs someone to counter the extremisms at work in DC.

    I'm waiting to see what Hatch really does. He became a true politician years ago...

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:52 p.m.

    Finally some sensible reasoning coming out of the Republican party. If the Tea Party takes over the Republican party all will continue to lose national elections and lose more influence because of the extremists.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    Why stop there?

  • yahoo Logan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    I don't feel that this is Senator Lee's fault at all. I applaud what he did by helping the government shut down. Let us take a strong look at where we are today. Our deficit is out of control, we were about to go bomb Syria with no direct threat to us and where was the money going to come from, Our politicians were still getting paid even when the government was shut down. How far are we going to allow the debt ceiling to be raised. Our currency as some point will be worthless unless we as Americans change Washington. Keeping seats is the least of our worries at this point. It would great to win more seats as Republicans but I wouldn't want Senator Hatch re-elected. Obama-care is not worth the cost because who is paying for it? Certainly not those who are in poverty, it is a free handout to them. Where are we going to get the money to lower our deficit. At some point cuts and I mean deep cuts will have to be made to save America.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:15 p.m.

    Hatch ran on conservatism, and bucking the status-quo in 1976. I realize he has been "rehabilitated" which is why I vote for someone else when given the opportunity. I want a senator who has not lost his way and his will while partying up with the power people in Washington.

    A new Utah democrat is more likely to vote conservatively than Hatch.

    Go Lee! Keep up the good fight!

  • fed up Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    I believe Sen Lee has shown he is very capable of being reelected in Utah and still has support of Repuclicans and conservatives. Perhaps it is Sen Hatch who should be "rehabilitated" or at least to declare himself a liberal

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    Re:yahoo
    "Our currency as some point will be worthless unless we as Americans change Washington. "

    Right.

    Senator Lee, Cruz and the Tea Partiers almost succeeded in making sure our currency was worthless by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.

    It is way past time for moderate Republicans to stop pandering to the extremists in their party!

  • sorrytowakeyou Heber City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    Orrin,

    You just lost my support. You need to be rehabilitated given that you still think you can make the democrats like you if you don't ruffle any feathers pushing for real change.

    Sure, we lost the defund fight. But it was SO refreshing to see someone in Congress step up, act alive, and fight! The country now clearly understands who is opposed and fighting against this law. When it fails, Those who led the defunding fight will have the credibility.

    Please retire Orrin.

  • Zac Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    Hey there Senator Hatch, how long have you been going to Washington? How much debt have you and the other old, career politicians accumulated? How many laws have you and the old pols created for the everyday person, yet exempted yourselves from? How is that golden parachute of retirement, paid for by my taxes, going to work out for you and the other old pols? Why are you not in the Social Security system that all us serfs have to pay into?

    I believe the reason you are upset is because there are new people that actually want to get things fixed. There are new people that don't want to completely play by the special rules you have created for yourselves.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    I will absolutely vote for Lee again. Here is a guy who put his whole reputation and Senate career on the line to stand for something that really matters. Senator Hatch pandered to the Tea Party to avoid the same fate as Bob Bennett. Senator Hatch, you are the one who needs to go. You have been in your current office since 1977. That is as long as I've been alive. Surely you have helped to contribute to a $17 Trillion debt. You are part of the problem, not the solution. Just serve out the rest of your term quietly and take some time to understand why the Tea Party is so upset with politicians like yourself.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    Senator for life Hatch is one of the reasons we have 17 trillion in debt. He's "reached across the aisle", "compromised", etc. since 1976.

    HE'S one of the big reasons we have the mess we have.

    Along comes Sens. Lee, Cruz, Paul, who want to do things differently (do the things they PROMISED), and the "old guard" somehow thinks THEY are a threat to their ruling of the Senate.

    Keep up the good work Sen. Lee; you've got a long way to go!!

  • netjes Grand Rapids, MI
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    Lee didn't lose the fight. It's time to "Tea Party" Senator Hatch.

  • 4word thinker Murray, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    We are in debt 17 trillion. The debt was .7715 trillion when Hatch took office.

    He is partially responsible for 95% of the country's debt.

    I don't want another senator like him.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:08 p.m.

    Hey Hatch, I believe there should be term limits for all. One term!

  • Victor Layton, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    Hatch actually DID say he needed to be "rehabilitated" too. Come on guys I cannot be the only one who actually listened to what Hatch had to say?

    My impression is he was talking about all politicians needing to come together at this time in particular to avoid setting of a financial crisis. Including himself. Nice job media for once again pulling bits and pieces out of context to get a reaction.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    And who was absent on a vote just a few weeks ago???

    Orrin, I hate to say it but you're out of touch. YOU are part of the problem. You should not have been voted in this last time.

    The idea of compromise and getting along is great but our nation has incrementally shifted into this provide all for everybody 'nanny state' and YOU have compromised too much over the years and let this great nation get into this horrendous debt under YOUR watch.

    It's time to move out of the way, it's time to take our nation back, get on a path of fiscal responsibility and start abiding by the constitution.

    Rehabilitation... hogwash. You've forgotten where you placed your principles.

    For the first time in my life I will be donating to several campaigns outside of the state to oust the dead wood that has divided the Republican party starting with McConnell, Boehner and all of the others that waffled and let their constituents down from the 2010 platform that got them elected.

    Orrin is a prime example as to why term limits is needed.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    If I remember correctly, before he was elected to his first term, didn't Orrin Hatch promised to serve no more than two terms in the Senate and then leave?

    Orrin, you have been in the Senate for 36 years. You're 24 years overdue at keeping your promise.

    My only regret is that I am no longer living in Utah so I won't be able to help my fellow Tea Partiers vote you out.

  • California Steve Hanford, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    As I stated in an earlier post, Congress (including Hatch) voted to borrow a trillion $ to pay off the 17 trillion $ debt. Who needs rehabilitating?

  • gittalopctbi Glendale, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    Hatch needs to retire.

  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    Hatch seems to think he knows a better way to deal with Obamacare and win elections. Perhaps he could enlighten everybody with his wisdom.

    On the other hand, Sen. Lee, Cruz and others kept a campaign promise and stood against Obamacare, sharing letters and tweets from Americans negatively impacted by this law and asking for Obamacare to be defunded, then asking for an individual mandate delay, and finally asking Congress to undo their special subsidy so they can feel the full brunt of the increased premiums. Harry Reid and Obama refused and allowed the shutdown.

    Now there are reports that because of the poorly architected website, the White House is considering a delay to the individual mandate after all. People might wonder why the Dems insisted on shutting down the government instead of delaying the mandate sooner.

    There are also questions being raised about Obama's statements regarding his "technical surge volunteers". It's apparently illegal for anyone to volunteer to work on a Federal government project, and they need to be vetted. The White House doesn't seem to have any details about these statements.

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    It time for Lee to admit he was wrong and accept the consequences, meaning that he should not run again. The voters need to kick him to the curb.

  • tim_the_tool_man_taylor Dallas, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    Hey Orrin, How about you worry about your own voting record, because it speaks for itself--Patriot Act, NDAA, more war, more bailouts, more budgets, etc . . .

    Thanks Senator Lee for your hard work!

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    36 years of extreme spending and the folks that are saying slow it down and live within your means need to be rehabilitated. Sounds about right. Just continue to spend and spend our children’s future away.

    Maybe you can help balance the budget in the next six years?

    There are absolutely no consequences for the folks that run up this debt.

    Did I mention the democratic or republican parties... nope! Just can’t tell them apart these days.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    I seriously worry about the Tea Party philosophy. If there ever is/was to be a "Constitutional Crisis", I believe the Tea Party is responsible for that crisis, though they fancy themselves as the saviors of that wonderful document.

    How they cannot see this is beyond my capacity to understand.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    Mike Lee will be re-elected no problem. Hatch should have been ousted with his good ole boy buddy Bob Bennett last mid term in 2010. Hatch is completely out of touch with the people of Utah and his polling numbers show it. People have seen Orin Hatch do nothing except get a long with his fellow friends in the Senate like Harry Reid. Mike Lee is a clean fresh break from establishment cronies like Hatch and McCain who stand for nothing.Orin just doesn't get it - we don't want somebody to just get along with the Democrats in the senate and the White House like Orin did with Ted Kennedy for years. The Democrats -for the most part- are socialist radicals and compromise is NOT what we want. We want a strong conservative who will not throw away his conservative values just to get a long. Mike Lee has been a great senator for Utah.

  • ImABeliever Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    More and more each day, I miss the honor, respect and dignity of our founding fathers,
    George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and those who came later Abraham Lincoln.

    QUOTATION: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90) “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

    “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

    May they rest in peace.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    From one of Senator Hatch's former employees "he hates the tea party!"
    Well, they ousted his good friend, Bennett and he can't forgive them. Bennett was a good friend of harry reid, and that was good enough for me to vote him out.
    Senator Hatch was a great friend of Teddy Kennedy and spoke at his funeral. So reaching across the aisle is great, if you are met half way. Unfortunately, it is always the republicans who have to reach.
    I am so ashamed, I voted for him last time. The old guard can't stand the fact the young ones are no longer willing to go along to get along. They made a solemn promise to their constituents and they intend to keep it.
    Thank you Senator Lee!

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    Senator Hatch has created much of the mess that now requires "extreme" measures to correct in order to save our country. Doing more of the same thing will not produce different results.

    Hatch talks conservative in Utah to win reelection, but has proven that he is a timid backbencher in the Senate. He has run out of ideas, or has not expressed them, or has not fought for them. In any case, his ideas and tactics have not prevented the mess we are in.

    Senator Hatch, YOU need to be rehabilitated. And, grow a spine and start using your experience and self-proclaimed clout to stop Obama's policies any way possible. And, stand up and make the case for stopping liberalism, and adopting good Republican alternatives.

    If Senator Hatch is unwilling or unable to do that, then he should resign. He should have retired gracefully prior to the 2012 election.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    Perhaps this is what has Hatch riled up?

    "Tuesday saw the release of yet another poll showing Republicans in a woeful state, a recurring theme in the wake of the recent budget and debt limit debacle.

    The survey from CNN and ORC International showed 64 percent of Americans saying they have an unfavorable opinion of the GOP, a high-water mark since the pollster first asked the question in 1992. A mere three in 10 said they view the party favorably."
    (Oct 22, 2013)

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    The tea party tantrum was a failure as demonstrated by the conservative backlash.

  • Leave it to Lisa New Harmony, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:08 p.m.

    He looked me in the eye at the Washington County Republican Convention and said he would hold down spending and make 'them' more responsible. He didn't. If only Chris Stewart had ran against him in the primary. Senator in case you have forgotten...you represent us. You don't need to tell us what is good for us. We know. Now vote how your constituents advise you to! And quit pandering and groveling...it's embarrassing.

  • yahoo Logan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    RE: Truthseeker,
    Senator Lee, Cruz and the Tea Partiers almost succeeded in making sure our currency was worthless by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.

    It is way past time for moderate Republicans to stop pandering to the extremists in their party!

    If I remember right Europe had hyperinflation and there currency was worthless because they couldn't borrow anymore. No one would borrow money to them so that means to buy something for $1 in the morning by mid afternoon cost $1,000,000,000. So raising the debt ceiling is not the answer. So the only other answer is what? Going the other way which I believe will eventually happen. When is the question.

  • artist311 west jordan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Hmmm... a poll that begins with the presidents premise- really??? how about a poll that begins with do you agree with the democrats and the presidents unwillingness to negotiate with the republicans? or Do you believe that the ACA should be implemented with out changes or special favors?? Hatch has given in to the democrats and is too comfortable! Why do we need another politician worried about relection???
    Hatch's silence over the last month says everything in my opinion! ie: gettting along is more important than standiong for what is right

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    Respectfully, Senator, I wish I hadn't voted for you. Washington is a mess, because of representatives of BOTH parties. You can claim it was "the other guys," but I DO NOT CARE WHOSE "FAULT" it is, I only care about solutions, and you nor anyone else has moved us closer to solutions.

    If you cannot influence the solutions, what good are you?

  • yahoo Logan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    A Deseret News/KSL poll by Dan Jones & Associates earlier this month showed 56 percent of Utahns believed it wasn't worth shutting down the government as part of the effort to repeal the new health care law. Lee's approval rating was at 43 percent.

    Thank heavens this is only a static which actually matters very little. Reason is if there were only 400 respondents to the 56% that want Senator Lee gone then that is a very small group. I think Senator lee has a much better approval rating that what was given.

    At some point all of us will choose sides as to what we support. There will be many issues that are a major cause for concerns right now. I don't need to list them because we all should know since sooner or later these issues will affect us all in some form. That is when the divide will happen here in the U.S.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    Hatch used to talk about a Balanced Budget Amendment. Hatch used to oppose judicial activism and supported a strict interpretation of the Constitution. Hatch used to be a conservative.

    Now Hatch is a moderate who opposes conservatives. Notice that Hatch has advice for Lee on how to get reelected. That is not the goal of a statesman who loves his country above his ambitions. Hatch misled his constituents to get reelected in 2012. He pandered to the Tea Party. Now he condemns the Tea Party.

    I say Three Cheers to Senator Lee who puts principle above popularity, and integrity above reelection. Senator Lee is one of the few who swear to protect and defend the Constitution and really mean it.

    I didn't vote for Uncle Orrin in 2012. He doesn't represent me. He has become all the things I admire least in a politician.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    I believe the extremists in washington are our current pres. and his cronies trying to change the whole face of our country with socialist ideas and same sex marriage ,abortion,food stamps for those who really don't need them and no accountability for from the pres. and his appointees for their illegal actions and loose management of the taxpayers money.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    Re:Yahoo
    "So raising the debt ceiling is not the answer."

    Not raising the debt ceiling is like maxing out your credit card and then refusing to pay the bill. So all the countries who've purchased U.S. Treasury bills/notes etc have effectively been told they are holding worthless paper when we refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

    If you are concerned about debt, spending is controlled through the budget process, not through the debt ceiling. In other words you control how much you put on the credit card in the first place.

    Ignorance about the debt ceiling and the budget process on the part of Tea Partiers, Cruz and Lee is not only annoying but dangerous to the U.S. economy.

  • LifeLibertyHappiness Draper, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    That is hilarious coming from Senator Hatch. Lifetime politician, lifetime pension, unreal benefits on the backs of Americans most of which, 99.9%, will never see benefits like those. After 36 years in the Senate, he and his colleagues are largely responsible for the financial mess we are in and the money machine that Congress is.

    If Americans have the guts to vote out incumbents, the plan should be this:

    1-Everyone Senator and Congressman not in their first term is out.
    2-Term limits - Since Senators are in for 6 years, only one term. Congress can have two since their term of service is only two years.
    3-No more lifetime pensions. Only defined contributions like almost all Americans have. No more expensive benefit programs. Structure like many company benefit plans. Congress pays half, the Gov't (us!!) pays half.
    4-No gifts at all. None.
    5-Minimum requirements for being elected. Some form of business experience, making a payroll, solving real world problems.

    We The People need to take control and vote out incumbents, do our homework and vote in qualified people. Don't waste time listening to political ads. Do our homework and vote change.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:05 a.m.

    Senator Lee is a patriot and loves this country more than he loves the Beltway power structure. Hatch is an example of how out of touch the Beltway bunch has become. Term limits and cutting off lobbying support of the Beltway Seniority program need to be instituted to protect governing from the elites that act as though we can't live without them. We can do much better that Senator Hatch and the evidence of that is that we elected Mike Lee. Standing for something of values and principles will bring the votes for re-election of Senator Lee - if we wants it. I know that Mike would rather leave the Senate than become a lifetime parasite on the government and on the governed.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:30 a.m.

    Senator Hatch's public comments on Senator Mike Lee might as well have used the word "repentance" since that was the elder statesman's general tone. In fact, American voters are like small children -- they want something very badly and then promptly get distracted and forget it when they focus on some new shiny thing. If the conservative pragmatic Utah business community wants a new senator in 2016, it will have to start finding someone in 2013 and start financing in 2013. 2016 -- 2015 even -- will be too late to get started.

  • JMH Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:28 a.m.

    Where Sen. Lee and Sen. Cruz made their mistake was not understanding how to do things in the Senate. There were never the votes to accomplish what they wanted to do. ObamaCare is full of problems and will more than likely fall all by itself. People will not like the cost nor the benefits of the plan. The Debt Limit was the place to make the fight but they did not understand that nuance. Sen. Hatch did understand that point and it is the experience he has in knowing how to and when to fight that helps him get things done. It may not be as flashy and may not get you on the media as much but it gets the job done and that is the ultimate goal. I would much rather have someone that can do the job as opposed to someone that just talks about getting the job done.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:30 a.m.

    The Democrats move steadily to the left and socialism that at its core is just as virulent as that seen in South America. ObamaCare is just one more aspect of government control. The idea behind "immigration reform" is to pour mass numbers of immigrants into the left wing democratic coffers. My Catholic Church is blindly supporting reform in spite of being used by the pro abortion mentality of the extreme left wing. Senator Hatch has no solution. Senator Lee at least is doing the "Paul Revere" thing and shouting the alarm. As a Navy vet from Missouri, I come from the middle of the road Democratic mentality of Senator Stuart Symington and the tragic story of Jerry Litton who won the Senate Democratic primary and then died in a plane crash in 1976. As Clint Eastwood remarked in "Heart Break Ridge", Mr. Hatch "either lead or get out of the way".

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:54 a.m.

    @truthseeker

    Your grasp of economics requires rehabilitation. No budget in the world can continue spending more than it brings in and not eventually implode. I'll take 51 Senator Lees over one Orrin Hatch.

    Orrin is institutionalized. He will not walk the what's-best-for-America line, but the me, me, me party line.

    I suppose Orrin would consider the Founding Fathers worthy of reprogramming since they were so radical in thinking they (we) have inalienable rights granted by our Creator.

    Sheesh, Orrin. Time to hang it up and do something useful.

  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:13 a.m.

    I feel that Sen Hatch and 98% of the House and Congress should be voted out! They are both bad for this nation. Watching Sen Reid is enough to make on ill and the words of how no one tries to bring anything up is truly a distortion. What is meant is bring something to us that I agree on Mr Reid. I applaud Sen Lee Sen Cruz and all of those who stood on the platform that the ran on and though I disagree on shutting down the gov in the matter it was done, I agree that the spending and running the debt up is unconscionable. The debt has increased double as has the number of federal workers under the present administration, yet it is always referred to as Pres Bushe's problem. That was 5 yrs ago Own up to the fact that where we are is you fault. I think the affordable care act at the rate its going will destroy it self. As you noticed when pressed on the point of why you cant get thru (after 3 years of being law) you would think they could answer, only excuses no answers.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:28 a.m.

    I see the Reelect Mike Lee followers were up early to comment. What Hatch meant was Lee needed to mature rather than be rehabilitated.
    Being a Statesman is difficult. There are times when the facts and times are with you and when they are not. The Art of the Deal is simply lost here, no one will want to try and work with anyone so unyiealding as Cruz and Lee. They also refused to see that they had no chance of defunding Obama care but demanded their view is the only one they consider. Not a mature position.
    What is most upsetting is changing the procedure late 30 Sept, suspending Rue 22, Clause 4 (Discharge) and adding HR368 which gave only Cantor (not Boehner) the right to bring something to the floor for a vote. Democracy was mugged in the Cloakroom.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    We need to amend the constitution 30 years ago.

    First amendment setting up two term limits for congress and senate.

    Second amendment that they have to run a balanced budget, must pay off any new debt within 5 years, maintain a "rainy day fund" equivalent to what is spent over a five year period, must pay down all national debt starting now until we have zeroed the account out. After that then they must retain a "rainy day fund", and when incurring debt for war only then we have to pay it off within five years.

    If we have a 5 year supply of money. Plus being able to borrow for war for 5 years. That gives us 10 years to fight a war or give us an incentive to actually pick and choose the battles worth fighting.

    Either way our currency will be strong. China that hatch talks about would love to invest and hold our currency rather than laughing at it right now. We probably could even afford more entitlements that the nanny state loves. Until then we are broke.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    Senator Hatch needs to be rehabilitated! He has forgotten his oath to support the Constitution and to defend against the enemies (Communism, Socialism, and the Muslim Brotherhood) of the United States.

  • Observation Deck American Fork, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    If term limits are good enough for the President, then they are good enough for congress as well. Everyone gets 2 terms and then they have to go home and live with the legislation they created while in office. And we take away special perks. Their retirement is Social Security and their healthcare is the same as all of us. And for crying out loud, they receive no pension. Paying someone 80%of their highest 3years of their salary is not a sustainable model.

  • johnnylingo62 Gray, TN
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Term Limits! The answer to "rehabilitation". It seems D.C. changes great people to become mediocre talking heads with no real connection to reality. I really liked Sen. Hatch in the past, but these "old timers" who have had too much time away from the Real World need to retire from "politics" and get a real job and live with real people with real problems. Their ivory tower mentality does not help America when their tires get worn out and they no longer have any tread to keep them from rolling down the slippery slope of complacency.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    When you have divided government you have to work together to resolve problems. Throwing temper tantrums that hurt people is not the solution. When our founding fathers created the constitution they had to compromise. Nobody got everything they wanted, they all went away a little bit unhappy. The tea party could be a force for good in solving our current problem, but not as long as they continue their my way or the highway attitude.

    Its time for both parties to put America first. Solving the budget problem requires entitlement reforms cut the pork, and targeted cuts in military spending (we can't afford to fight wars that of choice like Iraq any longer either) with some increase in revenue. Both sides end up a little bit happy and a little bit unhappy and the American people win.

    If we want to give big business tax cuts give it to them for creating good jobs in America, not low paying jobs in Indonesia. We have to be America first, which means everyone will have to sacrifice.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    Hatch obviously believes that having the elites in control in Washington is the way to go. They can manipulate interest rates, the printing of money..even the stock market.
    But the economy is a charade. Government should have never taken the wheel.
    Still, Washington listens to the Chamber, agribiz, and the folks on K Street.
    Status in DC is measured by your campaign donations.
    THAT's what Hatch is protecting and preserving.
    Lee, Cruz and Paul are calling them out and they don't like it one bit.
    (And if Hatch's way of governing is so great why is congressional approval in the single digits? Did Lee cause that long-standing problem?)

  • CylonesRus sunamn, IN
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    What does Hatch, if he indeed stated such, McCain, MC Connell, Dan Coates, King (Rep from NY) others truly think? Believe? To put it bluntly,
    If they were the leadership in 1770's, we would not have seen their names on the Declaration of Independence, because it would not have existed- People like Mason, Patrick Henry and John Hancock would have been in either prison or hung. Has Hatch like Solomon (OT) in his later years became impotent and sought acceptance rather principle? These so called leaders of the GOP fail or refuses to accept, partly because they have become part of: is from the words of Paul talking to the Ephesians "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places". America, we are now fight for freedom, against tyranny of an over reaching government who is destroying the constitution - are so blind that we cannot see?

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    It heartens me to read that so many are supporting Senator Lee and see the hypocrisy of Senator Hatch. If Hatch truly admitted to needing rehabilitation, I'm sure his definition of the term is vastly different than most Tea Party-ers. The Republican party needs rehabilitation and perhaps grow a spinal column finally. Senators Lee, Cruz, et. al. have shown the way.
    It's just too bad Hatch was too busy to cast his vote to show us all where he stands.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Senator Lee: The Jefferson Smith of our time.

  • Maurice McBride Roanoke, VA
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    One of the dumbest things Utah's Republicans ever did was to drop one of the smartest, most distinguished and honest members in Congress, Senator Bob Bennett.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    LifeLibertyHappiness:

    I like your passion, but a short lesson in civics:

    The Senate is PART of Congress. It's not the Senators and the Congressmen, it's Senators and Representatives. The House and the Senate make up Congress.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Oh, don't you just love the Republican hate for their own party? Gotta love the Tea Party and their dismembering of the Republican party.

  • elliottpj Two Rivers, WI
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    I totally support Sen. Lee. He is providing very need leadership to reform our government and to save our republic from career politicians like Orrin Hatch. It's time for Hatch to retire to St. George. The Tea Party is here to stay, and the GOP can either accept that fact or go the way of the Whigs and the Bull Moose Party.

  • I Choose Freedom Atlanta, GA
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    "Hatch said, Republicans are all opposed to Obamacare."

    Really? To coin a phrase, Mr. Hatch, "What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear a word you are saying." In other words, you have done absolutely nothing to convince me that you are opposed to Obamacare. Time for you to go. You are just another RINO.

  • Clint Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Finally we have a politician that is willing to do what he said he would do. Unfortunately we have other politicians that want to "get along" which means give in to the progressive agenda. The sad thing is that if Orin Hatch and others had stood up in support of Senator Lee then we would have won. Typical Washington junkie. Its the others that need rehabilitation and not him.

  • Rocky Mtn Lady Columbus, MS
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Don't worry Mr. Lee. In a month or two when the people realize you were right all along, Orrin Hatch will be in front of he first media mike he can find and say he knew it all the time. Not "dumpable" !!!! He is so nervous that he has stayed hidden since the election.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Yes make Sen Lee just like you. Go along to get along. Alot of us want someone to attack the status quo. Stay just the way you are Sen. Lee.

  • IsaacsTM Huntingtown, MD
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    Lee raised the whole issue of delaying the implementation of Obamacare for individuals BECAUSE Obama had unilaterally (and illegally) delayed its implementation for big business. Lee wanted to delay it for everyone. The White House and democrats shut down the government because it was "the law" and they wanted a "clean" resolution without delaying it. NOW, after republications cave, and the roll out is a disaster, the white house is open to delaying Obamacare. Looks like Obama himself will rehabilitate Lee's reputation - he was right all along! I predict a delay will occur, and the press will not connect the dots but will praise Obaama for being pragmatic.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    Ironically, it is senators like Hatch who have made senators like Lee necessary.

  • Pragmatic One Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    Rehabilitated?! Try resignation or retirement. Not Mr. Lee who with Senator Cruz are the ONLY two people who seem to grasp the situation this country is in. No I'm referring to Mr. Hatch. Most if not all the event's leading up to this moment happened on his watch. The Democrats have figured out that times are changing, they have developed a good playbook and are using it quite effectively. On the other side of the aisle we have Mr. Hatch and Mr. McConnell and many others like them who haven't figured out that it's a new age an things have changed. They readily endorse people like Jeff Flake of Arizona who are as ineffective as them. This only serves to perpetuate the problem, not solve it. Lee and Cruz have figured it out. When the linebackers on the other team get nasty, then get nasty right back. Hatch and others are still sitting in the corner of the sand box singing "Why Can't We Be Friends."

    The time for group hugs and hand holding are over. We are trillions in debt. Time to retire and let someone with internal fortitude take over.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch just lost my support. There is no room for our Constitution and Progressive Socialists masquerading in Republican form.

  • Cactus Moroni, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    This story shows clearly the basis for all our problems in America. It is 2013 and the big concern Orrin Hatch has toward Mike Lee is that Lee may have hurt his re-election chances in 2016. Hatch is not worried about the abomination of Obamacare, or the $17,000,000,000,000 national debt, or the fact that our economy is still unstable with no improvement on the horizon. No, Orrin Hatch with his 36 years in Washington is chastising Lee because he may have hurt his re-election chances.

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Senator Mike Lee is trying to halt this epidemic of out of control spending in Washington and it is the old guard of the republican party like Mr. Hatch, that for the last 30 plus years have been driving the monkey to the airport!

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Hatch thinks it is reasonable to rack up $16, 000, 000, 000, 000 in debt while he has been in the Senate. We need some extremists who are not willing to steal our children's future to get reelected. Hatch needs to resign.

  • BR Sandy, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    Sen. Hatch makes me feel shamed / embarrassed by voting for him last election.
    We are in this mess because of him and his like. It will not happen again
    LEE is my / our voice

  • Vince Ballard South Ogden, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    I don't agree with Lee or President Obama, but what especially infuriates me are leaders like Senators Hatch, McCain and Reid who sat on their hands for the past 25 years while health care costs spiraled out of control. Though diametrically opposed, The Tea Party and the Obama Administration are trying to fix something they were handed.

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    Hatch has been there too long. He goes along to get along. Time ti ride into the sunset and evaluate what you have become Orrin.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Hatch wouldn't know what standing for a principle was if it drove over him.

    Just because you lose doesn't mean you just go along and agree. So what is his strategy? Lee at least tried something. Obviously Hatch has no plans to make a stand or take a chance to get something changed.

    Go along to get along is why we have the mess we do D.C..

    Hatch is part of the problem and never will be part of any solution.

    All these old dudes have made a career of bartering away our freedoms and liberty and piling up mountains of debt on us while they have done it.

    Vote them all out (both parties) every election until they get the message they are on a short leash and truly answer to us.

    What a concept.

  • CylonesRus sunamn, IN
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    To those who are ignorant of the of the law, and rely on Obama’s Pragda and drink the cool aid stating that the government would default, doesn’t know the 14th amendment . “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned”.
    The government is taking in more money than ever before;Obama intent to use the additional Funds is not to pay the current debt but for new obligations! Obama Care and other left wing agenda items such as Funding the Muslim brotherhood, the organization who partnered in the murdered Egypt’s Pres. Sadat because he made peace with Israel,
    That's the naked truth what the debt ceiling issue is truly about The left wing media just quotes the Whitehouse talking points not researching to see what is the real truth. What Hatch and other are not stating what is going to happen when the debt is so large bank accounts, Social Security, federal pension funds will be worthless as the currency will inflate into worthless paper.

  • 4word thinker Murray, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    @ Ranch

    So for you it is all about seeing the other party struggle? do you enjoy seeing poor people struggle too?

    I just wonder if you have ever thought about what is best for the people of this country in the long term?

    Or do you just love the fight and the pain it inflicts? They have TV shows to fill that love, despite how sadistic it is. Real life is definitely not the place to feed that passion.

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    A friend of mine shared with me a great principle the late Elder Marvin J. Ashton taught him while going through a divorce while we were attending B.Y.U- Hawai'i many years ago. He said, "It matters not if you try and fail, try and fail. The thing that matters the most is when you fail to try". Senator Lee ran on the premise he is going to try and try and try. I see that Senator Hatch is apparently failing to support his constituent from the state of Utah. It's time for us to divorce him.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    You are way to kind to your junior Senator, Orrin.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    @4word thinker;

    I was commenting on the hate displayed for Sen. Hatch by the Republicans posting on this thread; I don't like Hatch much myself, but these guys are part of his own party!

    I've thought long and hard about what's best for this country. My conclusion? It is certainly not conservativism.

  • HBZion Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Great job Senator Hatch! Thank you for being a true leader.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    I have voted for Orrin Hatch every time throughout his entire career as a Senator representing Utah. However, I will no longer support his reelection and will support any good candidate that runs against him. Mike Lee took a principled stand against Obamacare and showed courage in spite of overwhelming odds. I will continue to support Mike Lee along with the other 70% of Utahns that support him. It sounds like Hatch would just assume that Bob Bennett would have been reelected. If that is the case, we need to do a purging of the Republican Party so we can have Senators that listen to the people rather than the echo chamber within the D.C. beltway.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    To my fellow Republicans, you are all bearing witness to the downfall of our party. There was a poll recently published saying that 60% of US citizens wanted EVERYONE in congress fired, AND desired a 3rd party and bipartisanship to go the way of the dodo bird. I had to laugh....there's already a 3rd party and it's guaranteeing democrat victories in 2014 and 2016. The tea party has many ideals that I stand for but they are guaranteeing dem takeover and socialist agendas to continue in Washington by dividing the GOP. The writing is on the wall folks...make no mistake, the only reason republicans like Hatch are nervous is because they know what the end game looks like. A Dem controlled Congress and White House. While Tea Party extremists beat their chest about "taking America back", Dems are laughing all the way to the poll booths. Wake up people! A divided GOP because of neo-con extremists only leads to Democrats controlling government and in turn, our lives. Sometimes you have to compromise to avoid REAL disaster...and trust me, that's what the GOP is facing right now.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Matheson would make a fine Republican...or the Democrat Senator the Republicans can depend on.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    I agree with Senator Hatch.

    Mike Lee needs learn a few things before he tries to convince everyone that he has all the answers.

  • RE Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Mr Hatch, I voted for you but you have just lost my support!

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    I WAS a big fan of Hatch growing up in a nearby state when he defeated Frank Moss who became grossly out of touch with Utah and the Intermountain West.

    Hatch has overstayed by about 3 terms too long and it is time for him to go. In 2012, why didn't we get someone who actually represents Utah's needs and the cause of liberty and freedom from an overreaching Federal Government?

    I'm done with Hatch, I'm done with any Republican that thinks that more government is the answer. Hatch is no different from Bob Bennett.

  • mhilton Lancaster, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Think before you speak, Senator Hatch! At least Lee took a stance. Republicans have done nothing to stop Obamacare! Maybe you ought to worry more about the 2014 campaign. I hope Utahans find a candidate to unseat you!

  • Z South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    I have been trying to "Rehabilitate" Orrin Hatch into retirement for 18 years. He is the one who forgot the real reason he was sent to Washington, and he is long overdue to come home for good.

  • Gary57 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    What arrogance! These comments by Hatch, who was basically AWOL over these important issues, demonstrate why Utah should have retired Hatch in the last election. We don't hear anything from this "representative" of the people unless he can do so to make himself look like he's doing something, which he isn't. Bob Bennett has won new respect from me in his thoughtful and insightful editorial column. I think we retired the wrong guy.

  • BB Santaquin, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Go Senator Lee... you are backed by the majorities... Senator Hatch just blows with the wind, which is why we are in this mess...

  • bbc SLC, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    This Democrat is going to register as a Republican so I can vote against Lee and for Hatch in any Primary elections.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    No, Sen. Hatch, you are the one who needs to be rehabilitated, to be the conservative champion warrior that you yourself used to be many years ago. You think that you are older and wiser, but, sadly, your arrogance is showing. Sen. Mike Lee is doing a great job, and I’m proud of him.

  • David G Woolley Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    To Sorrytowakeyou:

    Just a note on the debt ceiling, the value of currency and who is really taking straight and who is hiding behind smoke and mirrors. First, not raising the debt ceiling means that the FED can't offer anymore asset purchases to the government, essentially slowing or possibly ending the creation of 80 billion dollars each month. That would increase "competition" for the remaining dollars and increase of the value of those dollars in circulation. Lee: 1, Hatch: 0

    Second, not raising the debt ceiling does not mean the USA defaults on its debt. We take in more than enough money to pay all our debt obligations each month with tax revenue. What it does mean is that the government would have to cut some spending, something they adamantly refuse to do in congress, but something the rest of us do routinely when money is in short supply. Lee 2, Hatch 0

    Finally, fiat currency like our dollar and every currency on the planet these days, has value only as long as their is a demand for it in the marketplace. That demand will dry up if we keep printing money. Slow the flow. Lee: 3, Hatch 0

  • Te Amo Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Senator Hatch and those like him are the problem and they don't want any junior politicians messing with their gravy train. We need more junior politicians.... Go Lee...

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Senator Hatch isn't originally from Utah? I was astonished to read that he came from Pennsylvania. I thought Senator Hillary Clinton was the only one who moved to a different state in order to get elected.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    These comments are proof that Utah is divided in the GOP. Matheson is going to have a cake walk and will make a fair, boring Senator, but the best choice so far.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Today in section A of the Deseret News, we read that Hatch thinks Senator Lee needs to be rehabilitated.  Jeux de position: In section B we read what George Will told the audience at BYU on Tuesday:  "America's biggest problem today is a consensus that ... we should have a large, generous, omnipresent, omniprovident welfare state and not pay for it.  Everyone's agree on this.  The costs should be fobbed off on future generations. ,,, What we are practicing today is a kind of decadent democracy."

    Of our $17 trillion dollar federal debt, Mr. Hatch cast his votes to fobb off $7,500,000,000 (7.5 trillion dollars) of that debt to me, my kids, and posterity, and shows no sign of regret.  He is the reason I'm hopeful we elect dozens more like Senator Lee.  Thank God for Senator Mike Lee who takes a stand and speaks out against our fiscally "decadent democracy".  

  • mattmoo AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Senator Hatch fell off the conservative train years ago.

    He and other RINOs like Boehner, Graham, McCain should just change partys and get it over.

    Senator Hatch no longer understands what the Constitution represents of what true liberty and freedom really mean.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    @Truthseeker:
    "Senator Lee, Cruz and the Tea Partiers almost succeeded in making sure our currency was worthless by refusing to raise the debt ceiling."

    The thing that will make our currency worthless is to continue to outspend the budget which requires raising the debt ceiling. Get a clue!

    @Truthseeker:
    "Not raising the debt ceiling is like maxing out your credit card and then refusing to pay the bill."

    Raising the debt ceiling ad infinitum will eventually put the nation in bankruptcy. We are on the road to exhausting the total world money supply through borrowing. Then what will we do, huh?

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Senator Hatch and his socialist, progressive friends in the Senate are O.K. with the U.S. funding the Muslim Brotherhood to murder and torture Coptic Christians in Egypt and Syria. Where is the outrage? Our President and his acolytes are treasonous. They are supporting the enemy!

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    We're number 1...

    I was so looking forward to republican voters re-electing orrin forever...

    He could have held the record, for feeding at the public trough, longer than any other person whose service in the senate turned them into a multi-millionaire...

    Oh well...

    Regarding the rehab-the-t-party meme...

    Imagine what the person who replaces hatch will look like...

    Whomever gets the short straw will have to make campaign promises so extreme...

    it will make lee look like a progressive socialist...

    I can't wait.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    The number #1 reason for the recent rise of the deficit is NOT increased spending. Spending has not increased so much. (ACA will increase spending though.)
    It is high unemployment, underemployment, and more retirees plus a recent recession. (Less tax revenue.) The US economy has been shrinking since 2008, but the government won't cut the budget, or make a budget.

    Anyone that says the US has plenty of cash coming in to pay it's short-term debt needs a quick lesson on cash flow.

    I don't mind the government shut down, but to vote against raising the debt ceiling is as reckless as the Affordable Care Act itself. For this reason, I am a Republican that will switch my vote from Lee to Matheson.

    Senator Lee; if you want to rehabilitate, start with fixing the sequester. It bought your team time, but it needs your attention now.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    wrz to Truthseeker "The thing that will make our currency worthless is to continue to outspend the budget which requires raising the debt ceiling. Get a clue!"

    wrz is confusing the debt ceiling with the budget limits, which we currently do not have.

    Truthseeker's example is sort of correct, although simple.

    It is more like; You lose your job,(expected revenue decreases)yet your hopeful for a new one next month. You can't make the month's mortgage payment so you go to your wife to borrow the credit card, and the wife (not the bank) says "no, your over your limit. Let the bank foreclose on the house."

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    I predict that the mess of Obamacare implementation will show how right Sen. Lee and Sen. Cruz were in their efforts. If the President had really cared about the American people and not just his pride, he would have gone along with the plan to delay the ACA for a year and kept the shutdown from happening. He knew it wasn't ready, but couldn't bring himself to let the Republicans get anything they wanted. He and the dems are the reason the shutdown happened, not Sen. Lee. If all the Republicans had supported Lee and Cruz with solidarity, the Pres. and Reid would have taken them more seriously. Republicans who criticized them publicly only emboldened the dems and extended the shutdown.

    The shutdown will be a distant memory when the next election rolls around, but everyone will be dealing with the negative effects of Obamacare and wish that Lee and Cruz had been successful in their efforts. I predict that Lee will be re-elected and I hope that Mia Love will beat Jim Matheson!

  • Eyes_Wide_Open OREM, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    Interesting then that with all of Hatch's "experience" he hasn't done anything to stop Obamacare either. Maybe if the Repubs would've gotten on the same page they could've stopped this train wreck of a law. At least Lee and Cruz jumped in and stirred it up! I applaud these guys for doing something. And what a lame attitude Mr. Hatch - only picking fights you know you can win! I hate that I ever voted for you.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    hatch is the problem with D.C. The only thing he has any passion about is getting re-elected. And if the Tea Party hadn't been forced into hiding by the IRS maybe he would be home playing with the grandkids, rather than racking up their debt further.

  • Fubeca sandy, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    Thank you Orrin Hatch for being a representative for Washington DC and not Utah...

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    One more indication that the esteemed Mr. Hatch is out of touch. The economic and moral mess that we now have to deal with has happened on HIS watch. He bought into LBJ's "Great Society". A
    great society is not built on a foundation of government handouts. It is built on empowering everyone who can to lend a helping hand. Oh my, how far we have come from the original vision of this once-great country. Is it too late to re-establish what was once so promising and now seems virtually hopeless?

    Mike Lee is much more worthy of contributions to his campaign than is Mr. Hatch in my humble opinion. Keep up the good work Senator Lee!

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    If Mike Lee isn't running for re-election why do I get multiple emails a week asking me for money?

  • dLange Los Gatos, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Our constitution would never have been written and ratified if it hadn't been for compromise. The only way to govern a nation as large and diverse as ours, is for those that govern to compromise amongst themselves. No one faction can get their way all the time. The sooner that the tea partiers in Washington realize this, the sooner we can begin to solve those problems facing the United States of America.

  • Sophie 62 spring city, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    I don't believe that anyone in the Tea Party is capable of being rehabilitated because first of all they think they are all right in everything they do and say.
    They have no desire to change anything.
    Better to replace them with a moderate like Bob Bennett, who is capable of working with people.
    The thought of Mike Lee going back to the Senate makes me ill.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    What everyone forgets is Orin is not running for re-election as senator, but is posturing for the lobbyist position. He has to come off as a true progressive to be relevant. He will not return to Utah same as Bennett has not returned. Power and money exists greatly for the retired senators in Washington. He has been told to conform if he wants to partake. Maybe it would be nice to have a recall election for Hatch, that would end his lobbyist dreams.

  • CylonesRus sunamn, IN
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    The leaders of the GOP did do it there their way, that is why Obama was elected and re-elected. Obama could have been deeated the past two elections, but with RHINOs like McCain and Rommey Care Romney, both who cowed before the nict Obama this will be the result

    Socialize Medicine which equate to turning back medical car to 1900 hundreds for most American, electric bills (Per kilowat) doubling over the next two or three year Campbell soup has already gone from 3 for a dollar to a dollar a can, next year it will be on sal for 2 cans for 3 dollars and so forth good leaderhip by the likes of Hatch and all but 6 GOP senators

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    the tide has turned on the radical tea party trying to shut down government.

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    @Ranch: If you have thought long and hard and come to the conclusion that self-reliance, freedom, independence, accountability, industry, integrity, honesty, reliability, and honor are not what this country needs, please feel free to relocate to Nigeria, Somalia, Ethiopia, Congo, Greece, Italy, France, or anywhere else socialism has failed or is beginning to crumble.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Whether he runs for reelection, Hatch is serving his last term in office. Friends told me not to vote for him last election. Big mistake on my part for ignoring their advice.

    And of course, BIG GOVERNMENT and extreme progressive Doug Wright feels it's his duty (or he's been assigned the duty) to tear Lee apart and, of course, steer the opinion of the mind-numbed and pliable in our state.

    We need another 40+ senators like Mike Lee. I'm so glad I helped (by my vote) replace progressive Bob Bennett with Mike.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    @Cowboy Dude:
    "I don't mind the government shut down, but to vote against raising the debt ceiling is as reckless as the Affordable Care Act itself."

    The vote was not about raising the debt limit alone. It was about approving a raise in the national debt limit IF Obama would agree to a cut in the national annual budget.

    "For this reason, I am a Republican that will switch my vote from Lee to Matheson."

    If that's your reason, you will be making a big mistake.

    @Canyontreker:
    "wrz is confusing the debt ceiling with the budget limits, which we currently do not have."

    What I meant to post is: 'The thing that will make our currency worthless is to continue to spend more than the revenue we take in each year, which requires raising the debt limit ceiling.'

    And we do have a budget... A CR simply means 'spend the level of appropriations approved in the last budget as adjusted by inflation, etc.'

  • GMadsen Lindon/Utah, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Senator Hatch is a complete disappointment. I didn't want to buy in to his campaign promises during his last re-election bid but I thought he would be honorable in defending the constitution and trying to get back to a position of smaller government and more individual freedom. To my knowledge he has not kept one campaign promise. Senator Hatch is like Senator McCain to me, someone who served their purpose in the past but now represents what is wrong with Washington. Senator Lee has done exactly what he said he would do. I applaud him for his integrity and I will vote for him again, and I will contribute to his re-election. Senator Lee will help America get back to fiscal responsibility and will help restore our individual and worldwide integrity. Senator Hatch lost his way 10 years ago. What a cop-out he has become. Even conservative talk show host like Mark Levin are done with him. Please leave Senator Hatch! Take your six figure pension and lifetime health care and abandon ship. There is nothing left for you to do. Remember when we thought this man was the future. What happened to honorable men?

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Doesn't Sen. Hatch realize that Mike Lee IS absolutely sure he's right? I'm not absolutely sure he is, but I'm %90 sure.

  • Evets Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    I have long supported Hatch but he lost my vote as soon as he didn't support Lee. We need more Senators like Lee. I hope when Hatch's term is up we have a good nominee.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    @BrentBot:
    "Senator Hatch and his socialist, progressive friends in the Senate are O.K. with the U.S. funding the Muslim Brotherhood to murder and torture Coptic Christians in Egypt and Syria. Where is the outrage? Our President and his acolytes are treasonous. They are supporting the enemy!"

    It's worse than that...

    Obama: "In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Muslim Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails... perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ..." D. Lindsborg, Wash. Post

    To the DNews monitors: It's not off topic since it addresses another poster's comment about Muslim Brotherhood. It's not disruptive unless you deem what the president had to say disruptive. If so, shame on you. wrz

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    It's refreshing to see so many Lee supporters! Thank you, it is encouraging to see. I knew the polling was skewed. By the comments we know what's really going on.

    And it is obvious that Orrin's days are marked and that Mike Lee will be getting a like minded senate companion in Congress the next election cycle.

    I hope Utah can continue to move in this direction by getting rid of weak minded representatives as well.

    Looking forward to making my political 'hit' list and donating to the election causes to ouster other politically weak servants and getting strong principle leadership back in control to get America back on track!

    Let's make America strong again!

    We need term limits!

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    @wrz
    The debt is about paying obligations occurred in the past. The budget is about keeping spending inside a forecast.

    You must not hold your obligations hostage to other items. Yes, we must cut the budget, but not paying your bills is not the same as cutting spending and it does not lower your debt.

    If you lose your job (loss revenue) you still have to pay the mortgage. If your situation does not improve you must do one of two things; get another job or get a smaller house. But, in the meantime, you still have to pay the mortgage, even if you have to refinance and spread out the debt or increase your credit limit.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    @CycloneRus:
    "The leaders of the GOP did do it there their way, that is why Obama was elected and re-elected".

    No...he was elected and re-elected because the GOP was divided between tea partiers and conservative moderates. I don't know how anyone can argue that this division in the GOP will result in Dems taking control of congress and the WH. See, Dems aren't divided by ultra liberals...when it comes to elections they stand together. The divisiveness of the Tea Party will result in Dems winning elections...surely you see that (I promise you that Dems and liberals do). We have to decide which is worse, compromising on some of the differences in tea party and mainstream republican ideology, or Dems taking and holding our public offices. We WILL have to compromise or that will be the end result, I promise you. As someone above mentioned, and I agree, the founders of this great nation had to compromise on everything from the constitution to the political framework of this country (democracy or republic) to the Declaration of our independence from tyranny. It's time we learn to do the same.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    No, Senator Hatch, you need to be primaried!

  • Dot Smithfield, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    It sounds like the Tea Party sent out an email to get all their members to write comments to this article.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    @Canyontreker:
    "The debt is about paying obligations occurred in the past."

    Slight correction... the debt results from borrowing money to cover shortfalls in revenue.

    "The budget is about keeping spending inside a forecast."

    Yes, and if you can't keep spending within the forecast you must borrow, increasing the debt. This is what happened to cause borrowed money to soar to $17 Trillion... most of which occurred on Obama's watch.

    "You must not hold your obligations hostage to other items."

    What?

    "Yes, we must cut the budget, but not paying your bills is not the same as cutting spending and it does not lower your debt."

    Cutting the budget cuts approved/authorized spending levels. And don't tell me we can't cut spending. There are billions squandered in fraud, waste, and abuse. I aughta know. I was employed at GAO.

    "If you lose your job (loss revenue) you still have to pay the mortgage."

    Not if you sell your house.

    "If your situation does not improve you must... get a smaller house."

    Or live in a tent.

  • ruraljohnboy Duchesne, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    Mike Lee is a great American, and a true patriot. I can no longer vote for Orrin Hatch.

  • CynicJim Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Hatch's Monday morning quarterbacking leaves me shuddering. I haven't heard a single statement from him over any issue in this his LAST term. He has been a closet supporter of arms control, a weak sister on the budget, a sideline participant on judicial matters and a no show on other issues that are harming our adherence to the Constitution, especially on the blatant power grab of the UN.
    Com'on, Senator, stand and be counted.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    It is so interesting to read the comments and see how quickly the far right devour their heroes. Hatch has been a republican darling for so long and now he is being attacked as a "socialist".

    Really? Orrin Hatch a socialist?

    Mike Lee is a career Washington lobbyist and lawyer. He is no grass-roots, tea party candidate. Also, he kept taking his salary during the shutdown when Hatch did not. Shows me where Lee's priorities are.

    Politics is the "art of the compromise". Our country is being destroyed because politicians have forgotten this. They are only after personal power and glory. From the comments here, it sounds like Mike Lee got what he was after....

  • Milehigh BENNETT, CO
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    Sen Hatch's time has passed. He needs to move on and open the space for all of the "Mike Lees out there. Hatch is part of the problem, not the solution.

  • leavingRparty boise, ID
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    corrected:
    The wealthy, prominent in Utah are ego-miffed that Mike Lee beat one of their own to unseat Bennett. They can't get over it. The mainstream people of the State of Utah are too intelligent to enter into the worship of wealth, position and power in Utah, whether found within the business community or in the church. The mainstream worship Christ, not those who have risen to power and wealth and increasing ego. Romney lost his bid. Huntsman lost his bid. Mike Lee won and he will win again if he chooses. It is up to his supporters to be as vocal as the cabal of his enemies, as the state of Utah further recognizes what he tried and is trying to do, to stop Obamacare while serving local interests. Shame on those with deep pockets and shallow intentions. Shame too on Hatch and those in SLC who don't seem to care about upcoming generations. Wealthy see no reason to care...old money will take care of thier own. Stand with Lee and make it known with donations and your voice and your letters to an increasingly liberal Utah media.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    What???? Guess who I think needs to be rehabbed?

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Oct. 25, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Hatch, I voted for you by default. What a waste! Biggest mistake I have ever made. Wish I can vote 10 times for Mike Lee next year. He did what I voted for him for. My whole household will vote for Mike Lee, kitchen sink included. Hatch, you have no idea how out of touch you are. Wish we can have a recall drive to pull you out of the senate today.

  • Kellie Wood Orem, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Sen. Lee sent me a survey to see if I wanted him to continue to defund Obamacare even in the event of a shutdown. He had an overwhelming response to the survey from his constituents to continue defunding! I sure didn't get a survey from Hatch! Lee is the only one who is touch with his constituents and he votes according to their wishes.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    If lee really believes the garbage he spouts, he is delusional. If he does not really believe the garbage he sous, he is running a con on the people of Utah and the United States. In either event, he is not qualified to be a United States senator. Is it possible to re all or impeach him? That would be the best thing to have happen, for everyone.

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    Oct. 26, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    Thank Heaven for Mike Lee! Kudos and High Fives to Mike Lee and Ted Cruz !!