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Re-ranking the college football teams: Where do BYU, Utah and USU stand after week 8?

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  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Oct. 21, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    I just wonder how high BYU would be if they would have beat Virginia and Utah. I hate losing to the Utes, but it is not a bad loss. If the Utes can't win on the road it will turn into a bad loss. The Virginia loss looks worse and worse each week. I wish they could have that back. If BYU wins out, they will be in the top 20 of the BCS, maybe even 15 if they get some help. That means Utah has to keep winning games so it looks like a good loss and not a bad loss.

  • Chris_B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    I am so happy that the BYU Cougars have the BEST average ranking out of the three Utah schools. They have earned it. And, I'm soooo excited to see they have the best ATHLETES too.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    Mid-season rankings are interesting, but not at all definitive. Teams can win out and teams can nose dive and teams will win some and lose some. That is why the only valid rankings are the final rankings after a season's body of work is completed. Only totally ignorant individuals believe a team's superiority or inferiority are determined by one regular season game. The final polls will determine BYU, USU and Utah will stand at the end of the season.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Interesting to see the complete BCS standings. BYU is sandwiched behind the team they beat (Houston) and in front of the next opponent (Boise State).

    Utah will recover from what happened next week. Shultz was serviceable in replacing Wilson. He will likely increase his production having a week of reps under his belt.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    Is anyone surprised? I'm not and I know this won't bode well with the 'kids on the hill'.

    There's a good possibility as Taysom and team improves that a 9-3 or 10-2 is in reach.

    Go Cougars!

    And meanwhile back near East High...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    The real Chris B is not going to be happy with these rankings. Lol. How could and indy be ranked higher than a team from the elite, conference of champions? These rankings must be a bad dream, right?

    Congrats Cougs. The progress the team has made is amazing! Early prediction - by the end of his career, Hill's name will be uttered in the same breath as McMahon, Young and Detmer.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:32 p.m.

    I'm not a big fan of any of the big two and USU. But Utah is number 1 in the state, BYU is number 2. And USU is at best 3. At the very best number 3.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    Rankings from (in order) USA Today, CBS Sports, Segarin, BCS standings....

    BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, with an average of 31.75
    Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, with an average of 42.75
    USA: 67, 70, 40, 79, with an average of 64.0

    Seriously, I'd love to hear from any reasonable Utah fan as to why their team is better than BYU. And, please, don't even try "we beat you" because at least FOUR nationally-known syndicates/football agencies don't see it that way.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    Quarterbacks are dropping everywhere in Utah. Hill better play safe or losing Hill will hurt BYU like it did to USU and Ute's. If Hill stays good, I could see BYU getting the best bowl out of the three teams, then USU and lastly Ute's (I do think the Ute's can get 6 wins this year but it will be tough).

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:26 p.m.

    And yet, end of the season rankings don't tell the full story either. The team that takes a shot in the chops (Texas), may be jolted, may even stumble out of the rankings entirely. Does it mean that, at the time they played, they weren't as good as thought?

    Is BYU a better team than Utah? At least for the time being, due to Utah's Jekyll and Hyde disposition, all the people whose opinion matters seem to think so. Will it still be that way by the end of the season? We'll see.

    But isn't the ride fun? At least for BYU, right now, it is.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:07 a.m.

    Can this weekly induction process of subjective reasoning over who is better stop? The Desnews does this every week. Are they trying to cancel losing to Utah.

    BYU might go 9-3. If so, great for BYU. Don't be blind to reason though. They wouldn't be 9-3 with a PAC 12 schedule.

    @Idaho Cougar Fan

    I would want the Virginia game back if I was you as well. BYU is obviously the better team there. BYU is also better than Houston but fortunate to win that game. The crazy big plays for Houston kept them in the game. Still, despite BYU's strong defense, they have long been vulnerable to giving up big plays on games they lose. Teams that can throw deep (think San Jose State) can exploit BYU.

    As a Ute fan, there are games I would also like back. All three losses were winnable. But Utah has had three close wins as well.

    Very few teams, even good ones, are going to win all their games against teams close to them in ability. Alabama and Oregon blow everyone away. But they are also both corrupt programs.

    The Virginia loss was awful like Utah's loss to Colorado.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:41 a.m.

    Rankings are a joke. They often benefit BYU over Utah because of BYU's brand name, fan population and exposure.

    Justifications by BYU fans as to what the so called experts say is silly to reason. College football is corrupt and protects its' image programs. It always has, and no BCS modification is likely to change that in my opinion.

    Here is an example of what a joke these ranking systems are from 2011: Utah finished 8-5 with a PAC 12 schedule that year (4-5 in conference) with nice out of conference road wins at BYU 54-10 and Pittsburgh 26-14 at Heinz field (Plus they won the Sun Bowl). BYU was 10-3 but beat 7 patsies (UCF, San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Tulsa). Outside of those 7 laughable games, BYU was 3-3 which included getting pounded by Utah in Provo. Yet they got ranked.

    I mean seriously? BYU was no where near ranked after week 9. Then they finish the season with four straight wins against Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Tulsa. Do those four games earn you a ranking? Come on now, be objective.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:01 a.m.

    @ Y Dad/Y Dad

    You wrote "all the people whose opinion matters seem to think so" in your take of who is better.

    Look, I often enjoy your comments and I am not bothered by your comments here necessarily. But do you buy into all the opinions and reports of all major entities?

    Much of what we see, hear and read about from sources of great wealth are skewed greatly. I don't care if it's FOX News, MSNBC, CNN, BBC, Al Jezeera, the BCS, Sagarin ratings, USA Today, any government, or corporate entity. Junk information abounds.

    It's best to tell who is the better team on the field. But that's not perfect either. I understand some reasons for BYU fans to feel they are better than Utah. Match ups play a part. Teams do lose to teams that are close to equal everywhere across the country each week unless you are Alabama and Oregon.

    BYU is superior to Virginia and San Jose State but lost to both of those teams the last two years. Utah losing to Colorado is another example. The problem with comparing Utah to BYU is that their schedules are not comparable.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:07 a.m.

    BYU are the state champs, but with Boise State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame,-how can a BCS Bowl game be any better?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:11 a.m.

    Both BYU, and Utah could falter. Utah State may end the year with the best rankings.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:15 a.m.

    byu should be ranked really close to #number 1
    Utah really closer to about # 1,00

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:15 a.m.

    Stang08:

    If BYU isn't the best team in Utah, than why is Stanford rated higher then the Utes?

    Doesn't make any sense.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:23 a.m.

    Rankings don’t mean nothing because we won byu and we are in a bcs conference and we have more stars and that makes us the best over byu.

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Too bad about Wilson being hurt, I think Utah could've beat USC with him at QB. Probably not much chance of winning with a back-up QB, however, even though USC stinks this year.

  • Waylon77 Logan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    When you lose to a team, you don't get the priveledge of saying that you are better than that team. Can you think of any better way of determining which of two teams is better than by having them play each other and see who wins? That is kind of the way that championships are determined in the sporting world. BYU may have a better record, but the long and short of it is that Utah has BYU's number. BYU hasn't beaten Utah in 4 years, and has absolutely no claim to the title of best football team in Utah.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    "If BYU isn't the best team in Utah, then why is Stanford rated higher than the Utes?

    Doesn't make any sense."

    Ouch.

    Love it!

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Who won in Provo this year? I forgot.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    "We're going bowl-less again, no one is going to stop us, we still beat you, we don't care what others say and we're better than your stinking rankings."

    LOL

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    gdog3finally
    West Jordan, Utah
    @ Y Dad/Y Dad

    "You wrote "all the people whose opinion matters seem to think so" in your take of who is better.

    Look, I often enjoy your comments and I am not bothered by your comments here necessarily. But do you buy into all the opinions and reports of all major entities?"

    Of course I do! I buy into every opinion that is favorable to BYU. And if it undercuts my rival to the north, that's an added bonus.

    Just joking! For the most part.

    Was Alabama the best team in the nation last year? Or was A&M? Shoot, was BYU the best team in the nation in (shhhhh...) 1984? What is "best"? Is it "best at the end of the season"? "Best over the course of the whole season"? Is there a difference?

    It's all so subjective, even head to head match-ups. If two teams meet twice, and split, who's better?

    A playoff will be a huge improvement, but it won't completely solve the riddle either.

  • ahmyers San Leandro, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Scoreboard.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    If rankings don't mean anything, as the kids on the hill pretend, then why do they beat their chests every time Utah beats a "ranked" opponent?

    Stanford beats UCLA who beats Utah who beats Stanford. Who's better?

    In 2012, BYU beats Utah St. who beats Utah who beats BYU. Who's better?

    Last year, Texas A&M beats Alabama who beats Notre Dame for the National Championship. Who's better?

    If rankings don't mean anything, then this whole BCS thing is a joke.

    How can you say that BCS matches the two best teams in the championship game if the rankings you use to determine the top two teams don't mean anything?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Like every year utah is the worst team. Scoring more points doesn't proof anything. What shows it is trips to the blue zone, tackles, running faster with the ball and then the refs always make us not get more points.
    Plus we mess up alot.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    gdog3finally, part II

    By the way, thanks both for the compliment AND for taking me to task civilly. I appreciate both!

    So when BYU trashed Texas, it was huge. Then Texas faltered and the victory tarnished, at least a little, in some opinions. Then Utah beat Stanford, and it was HUGER!

    Now suddenly, Texas is leading the Big 12, and if they win out, will most assuredly end up ranked higher than BYU. What if Stanford falters down the stretch?

    Football season is a big buffet, so many things to enjoy. Turns out "victory over your rival" was all gone by the time BYU fans got there. Utah fans got it all. Again. Not many other things on their plate (so far)

    Our plates look pretty good, with a chance of scoring some crab legs and steak...

    Ah, well, it kinda made sense to me.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    To Utah Fans

    If "scoreboard" is all that matters, why is Stanford ranked #6/#8/#7 in AP/Coaches/Sagarin, while Utah is ur/ur/#35?

    If Utah is "better" than Stanford, based on "scoreboard", then why is Stanford ranked 30 places higher than Utah?

    I'd love to see a cogent argument from a Utah fan who can explain why "scoreboard" is the only thing that matters.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    Wow! Going to the PAC 12 means nothing.

    Playing BYU is still the main focus.

    Utah is better than BYU, and Stanford. Yep! And our country will pay off its debt.

    Flukes happen!

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    BYU's ranking will improve as its O-Line improves...can't see QB Hill doing much better than he played against Houston, those were awesome plays, and end-game stats. It all starts with the O-Line...that's my constant repetitive comment, because no one else seems to recognize the importance of these players to the success of the Offense, and of giving the D a rest.

  • Voodohound99 Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Rankings should be based on "How good is your team now". Utah was slightly better than BYU when they played but since then BYU has only improved and I would bet that a replay of that game would produce a different result. Why? Because BYU's system is getting momentum while Utahs is not. Any team can beat any other team on any given day. The best teams don't always win the game due to various external factors. That's why BYU can be ranked ahead of Utah even if Utah beat BYU earlier. Right now, BYU is a better team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Sorry Worf, but 4 years in a row is no "fluke". It's called getting owned.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    @ gdog3finally:

    I agree with most of what you wrote, but disagree about one thing. Rankings are not so subjective. The only thing that goes into most national rankings are totally objective, quantitatively measurable criteria... and lots of it.

    A few Ute fans are complaining because they feel BYU doesn't have a PAC12 level schedule for comparison purposes. However, SOS (strength of schedule) is factored into each of the rankings. That's why it's nearly impossible for small conference teams with very week schedules to ever get ranked very highly.

    Interesting that you acknowledge that BYU has such a strong fan base and is so well nationally known... while Chris B has spent most of the season trying to convince everyone of just the opposite... that they are almost unknown nationally... especially in regards to recruiting. Thankfully, there remain at least some honest, less biased fans on each side.

    @ sammyg and ahmyers:

    These rankings are all about how teams currently are and their cumulative season-long production... not just a single game a month ago. But if that's the only nail you can find to hang your hat on, then have at it.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    One game in a 12-game season doesn't prove anything.

    Seasons are judged in their entirety. Just because Utah has had BYU's number head-to-head recently, doesn't mean Utah has been the better team overall.

    3 of those 4 games could have easily gone BYU's way, including this year's game.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    @ Spokane Ute:

    3 of the 4 games you mentioned went down to the wire with just a few points separating the teams. If most of those wins were more definitive with the Utes winning convincingly, I would agree with you. But they didn't. As such, neither team owns the other. The closeness of the majority of their games only says that the teams are similarly matched and very competitive with each.

    If one team actually "owned" the other, then their fans wouldn't storm the field at the end of a game, the way Utah fans do. Their actions actually indicate they felt Utah was quite fortunate to win some of those games... as opposed to owning BYU.

    A bit of research even shows BYU with better production stats in those 3 games... more yardage, more first downs and sometimes time of possession. Often the only difference has been a single timely turnover or special teams play. As such, there is no way an objective person would ever say that either teams owns the other. And if BYU wins the next 4 games with Utah by very close scores, I'll still say the exact same thing.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    Doesn't seem all that long ago that Urban's Utah team & fans were always whining about not being taken seriously enough even though they were unbeaten on the way through their (MWC) season. Now it's all about strength of schedule. So which is it really? The only constant with that hill crowd is BYU hatred. Just can't move on. Utah is the only team in the state who plays their bowl game on the third game of the season.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    @gdog3finally
    "Rankings are a joke. They often benefit BYU over Utah because of BYU's brand name, fan population and exposure."

    It's refreshing to see a Ute fan honest enough to admit the obvious: Regardless of wins & losses in any particular season, BYU has a better brand, bigger fan base (game attendance, media market, and national fan footprint), and better exposure.

    In the end, I think that is and always has been the core of Red Hatred, and why Ute fans can't seem to move on, even though supposedly all their dreams came true when they moved to their shiny/fancy conference. Should change the principal team color to green.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    WA-Alum&Dad

    "Should change the principal team color to green."

    Interestingly, Utah's fight song already incorporates that theme:

    "I am a Utah man and I live across the green..."

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    Rankings and head-to-head matchups are interesting things. As a bluebleeding BYU fan, I have to admit to being green with envy that Utah has owned BYU in the series of late. Yes @Taters, owned. To me THAT explains why BYU can have better stats, and in many of our opinions better teams, and still lose. Regardless of the cause, a loss on the field is a loss on the field.

    However, a loss on the field doesn't tell the whole story either. I think even Utah fans would admit that if Utah and Stanford played 5 times the Utes probably wouldn't take three... If BYU and Virginia played five times, I doubt Virginia would win three.

    The national perception based on rankings says that most people think that if BYU and Utah played 5 times, BYU would win more than Utah-yet having observed the rivalry the last few years Utah seems to win regardless. In the case of BYU and Utah I think it is more about the matchup. For whatever reason BYU can't seem to make it happen, much to the chagrin of BYU fans everywhere. Doesn't make the higher ranking undeserved thoughn:)

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    @CG
    Re: Utah's fight song: Isn't it sexist to only boast as a "Utah Man?" Sounds like a whole makeover is required. First it was the mascot, and now this.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    BYU are the state champs, but with Boise State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame,-how can a BCS Bowl game be any better?

    ________

    Well since you won't be playing in a BCS bowl game this year. It's just better to talk about your schedule.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    This series on rankings is silly. Utah beat BYU yet at season's end it's almost a given BYU will finish with the higher ranking. I don't think Virginia is better than BYU, in fact I would bet GT kills them Saturday. I also don't think Utah is better than Stanford. But, Utah has beaten BYU four straight times therefore they are the better team.

    Also, USU lost Keeton therefore keeping them in this reason is really disingenous.

    "gdog3finally

    West Jordan, Utah

    Rankings are a joke. They often benefit BYU over Utah because of BYU's brand name, fan population and exposure."

    According to our good friend Chris B, this isn't possible :)

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    "Utah was slightly better than BYU when they played but since then BYU has only improved and I would bet that a replay of that game would produce a different result. Why? Because BYU's system is getting momentum while Utahs is not."

    Utah has won four of these games in a row. I don't see how there's any possible argument BYU is the better team.

    Also, how much has BYU really improved since the Utah game? There has been significant improvement since Virginia but, I'm not sure about since the Utah game.

    They're giving up a lot of yards now and while Hill is completing more passes, he's still throwing into tight coverage far too often. He had three picks at Houston but, it should have been four (he attempted to throw one away in the first and fortunately the defender wasn't paying attention because it was right to him). The line is probably part to blame but, when talking about improvement we're talking about everyone.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Article stats (go look them up yourself)....

    Rankings from (in order) USA Today, CBS Sports, Segarin, BCS standings....

    BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, with an average of 31.75
    Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, with an average of 42.75
    USA: 67, 70, 40, 79, with an average of 64.0

    Sshhhhhh! Don't tell the Utah fans. They still think they're the best team in the state....

    Ha! Ha! Go Cougars!!!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    @Tators,

    OK, how about a winning streak. Call it what you want, but Utah's win this year was far, far from a "Fluke". I beleive the winning team is based on who scores the most points, no need to research any further, 4 in a row is, well, 4 in a row.

    I wonder if the editor will actually let me post this, not sure what in the world I said previously that was off topic or uncivil?

    @ Sportsfan

    I don't recall saying one game makes a season? 12-13 does, we are half way home. All 3 of Utah's loses could have easily went their way. So what? They didn't, they lost, pretty easy to admit. At least for me.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    Hey, DesNews moderators: Why is the word "Ute" not acceptable? Are you kidding me? "Ute" refers to the "Ute" indians, as in, the "Utah Utes". Likewise, something similar would be "BYU Cougs".

    Come on, guys....I posted something yesterday that used the word "Utes" that was clearly not offensive, vulgar, a personal attack, did not use bad language, etc and it was denied. Give me a break. Here's the post. See for yourself:

    "Article stats (go look 'em up yourself)....

    Rankings from (in order) USA Today, CBS Sports, Segarin, BCS standings....

    BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, with an average of 31.75
    Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, with an average of 42.75
    USA: 67, 70, 40, 79, with an average of 64.0

    Sshhhhhh! Don't tell the Ute fans. They still think they're the best team in the state....

    Ha! Ha! Go Cougars!!!"

    What is offensive about that?????

  • SoCalTrueBlue2 San Diego, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I am a true blue Cougar fan, but BYU lost to Utah this year. Enough said. Head to head determines bragging rights, sadly, for all of us devout Cougar fans.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    If or when the rivalry game is resumed I would like to see it take place in November as it should be. By that time both teams have hit their stride. BYU starts slow and usually finishes strong, whereas utah...... finishes.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    I hear you bleed blue. I was denied 3 times over the weekend for saying the exact same thing that the fans from up north said. I reposted and they were approved. go figure.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    I said at the start of the season, after the Utah-BYU game, and now, that I think those two teams are pretty much equal in terms of skill. However, that's based on the idea of a healthy Wilson at QB.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    Waylon77
    Logan, UT
    When you lose to a team, you don't get the priveledge of saying that you are better than that team. Can you think of any better way of determining which of two teams is better than by having them play each other and see who wins? That is kind of the way that championships are determined in the sporting world.

    ----------
    First of all, BYU didn't say it. The ranking services did.
    Second, "The way that championships are determined?" What? Have you never HEARD of NCAA football?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    @Voodohound99
    "Because BYU's system is getting momentum"

    BYU played Utah right after setting a school rushing yard record in a thrashing of Texas. They had plenty of momentum. I'd take BYU against Utah in a hypothetical rematch right now, but only because Wilson is injured. Otherwise I'd consider it a coin flip much as I did with the first game.

  • Voodohound99 Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Surfs Up: I agree. There is a direct correlation with the 4 win streak for Utah and the time of year they have played the game. Under Bronco BYU has typically started slow and gained momentum, gotten better as the year goes on. Utah has been the opposite. They start strong and then fade. Utah just catches BYU early and they have an advantage. Look at the Virginia loss. You can't tell me that if BYU had a do over, 9 times out of 10 they would be Virginia. Play the Utah game in November I'm willing to bet its not a 4-0 sweep. But we play the games when they schedule them and Utah beat us 4 times in a row. I still think BYU is a better team now than when we played Utah.

  • Dahojas Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @Waylon77

    By your logic, Stanford doesn't have the right to say they are better than Utah? Because they are. They have that right as well. Beating a team is one arguement for who is the better team, but there are too many variables throughout an entire season to state that one team is still better by the end of the year based solely on beating them. Taysom was in a huge 3 game slump to start of the year. He is much better now. BYU is playing more consistently. If BYU beats out Wisconsin, Boise State, and Notre Dame, there will be zero question as to who is the best in the state.

  • LoveTheKittens The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    @Waylon77
    You're new around here aren't you? Byu won a championship 30 years ago, they are the better team. Always and forever the better team, understand? No? There are really only a few people that do understand. The cougs could finish 0-12 and still be the best team in Utah, even if the Utes went 13-0.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    atl34
    I agree when Wilson is healthy they are very similar.
    I think Utah would exploit the O-line issues at the Y.
    Where I do disagree with you is that BYU is passing the ball much better than when they played the Utes.
    I thought maybe it was Utah's D then I just checked ranking and GT d is no. 12 so that would be interesting to see.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    worf

    Mcallen, TX

    Stang08:

    If BYU isn't the best team in Utah, than why is Stanford rated higher then the Utes?

    Doesn't make any sense.

    ---------------

    Explaining the grind of Big 5 football to a BYU fan is like explaining Darwinism to the Tea Party. Why bother.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    To the victor go the spoils. Enjoy your win, coug fans...it must have been a thriller. To defeat a highly ranked team like Houston on the road is a great accomplishment.

    I have a question about the photo headlining this story...

    The stadium looks empty. I thought byu sells out every stadium they play in. What happened Saturday? The caption on the pic indicates it was 2nd qtr. Did all the fans leave early for half time to get popcorn? Anyone??

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    All you byu fans are so funny. It has been 5 years since byu has beaten Utah, and every year I hear the same thing... "byu really is the better team, Utah just gets up for this game". Even though Van Noy said this was byu's super bowl this year.

    Please byu fans, when asking yourself who is the better team, please remember Utah's schedule opposed to what byu has played so far.

    byu's schedule:
    Virginia - worst team in ACC and byu lost
    Texas - Decent team - unranked. Good win for byu. I'll give you this one.
    Utah
    Middle Tennessee State - I don't even have to say it.
    Utah State - byu played them without Keeton, which makes Utah State a bad team.
    Georgia Tech - Another bad ACC team
    Houston - I don't even know what conference they're in. Beat a bunch of bad teams.

    Utah's schedule:
    Utah State - with Keeton - Good team, not great
    Weber State - Bad team, comparable to Middle Tennessee
    byu
    UCLA - Ranked team. Very Good.
    Stanford - Top 5 team. Very very good.
    Arizona - Good team, not great

    Please, remember which schedule you play and then decide who is better.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    One more thing..

    byu strategically placed a bye week in front of Utah's game. They had 2 weeks to prepare and still couldn't win in their own stadium.

    Who is the better team? Utah

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    uh Tators...

    My comment was some humor at the expense of...

    You can figure it out. I'll give you a hint...

    Go Cougars!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    @Rational

    No, the champion is determined by who wins the championship game. Who plays in that game is determined by a poll: actually, several polls and a formula. Next year the top 4 teams will play in a play off format. The top 4 will be determined by a comitee. College football is a popularity contest. It's the only champion not determined by a play off system. It's a farce.

    Furthermore, different polls/rankings have the teams in a different order. Thank goodness the NCAA basketball champion is determined by a tournament and not a popularity contest.

  • TheBleak West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    WA_Alum&Dad

    And to any other BYU fan that keeps saying BYU is Utah's bowl game...

    What was it Van Noy said Utah was to BYU?
    If I recall correctly, he said that they were their super bowl.

    Due to this, it just makes your (repeated) comments of BYU being Utah's bowl game hilarious to read, and embarrassing for you. So please, do us all a favor and stop.

    To make your statement more accurate, lets just say that the rivalry means a lot to both sides and is a huge win no matter what the standings say.

    And just for arguments sake, if you wanted to talk about respect, Utah got picked up by a big conference, BYU did not. Bazinga!

    However, I am logical enough to know that there are several reasons why BYU is/was overlooked, it has nothing to do with program strength.
    Obviously Independence is the best place for BYU (currently), a nice ESPN deal and the exposure the LDS church wants.

    Congrats, to you true BYU fans that know how to have real discussion and not bicker (Ex- Y Grad / Y Dad; to the rest of you, meh, not so much.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    It's also not a fluke when BYU finishes with a better record and higher ranking than Utah in 5 of the last 8 seasons, and, soon to be, 6 of the last 9 seasons.

    As has been stated before, Utah wins the individual game battle, BYU wins the season long war.

    btw,

    Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC teams.
    Kyle is 12-17(41%) versus PAC teams.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Kyle is great at getting his team up for BYU, but, except for his perfect storm 2008 season, Kyle's been terrible about consistently beating teams Utah is supposed to beat, which is why he so seldom cracks the Top 25 or wins conference championships.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    atl134

    Taysom and BYU ran all over Texas, but Taysom's passing game was still developing when BYU played Utah and Utah stacked the box to force BYU to pass.

    With the vast improvement in BYU's passing game the last month, Utah, even with a healthy Travis, would have to get lucky with turnovers to win a rematch.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    This season is a wash....lets hope the SF Humanitarian Bowl gives an invite to both BYU and UTAH!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    KH and many others
    I personally think Utah is the better team this year (when healthy)
    I think BYU is not far behind.
    I think it is naive to say either mid-season rankings or 1 game makes a team better.
    But I will say this about rankings (even though they are always wrong)
    These people get paid to do this. I don't.
    I think we should have respect for the rankings but it really doesn't mean much in the end (if they do final rankings are what counts)

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    Uteology

    "If BYU isn't the best team in Utah, than why is Stanford rated higher then the Utes?"

    LOL at how you completely dodged the question, because the obvious answer would completely debunk the Utah fan single head-to-head game narrative.

    Why do Utah fans continue to spout whiny excuses about Utah's schedule being too tough, when even during their MWC days, BYU still finished with better records and higher rankings than the Utes who were playing the same SOS as BYU.

    Of course, when you can't beat 10-loss teams like Colorado and UNLV, you have to come up with something to explain your ineptitude - that's the only way to explain beating Stanford, and then getting dominated by Arizona.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    KH

    More whiny excuses?

    BYU's SOS is currently ranked #24.

    Anyone trying to characterize that as a cream puff schedule is either blinded by their crimson glasses or just blowing smoke.

    The truth is, until this year, Utah had never had a season SOS over #41.

    Utah SOS rank since 2000:

    76, 62, 75, 62, 67, 76, 73, 60, 56, 75, 50, 49, 41, currently #5

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    That's what happens when you play an easier schedule. The fact of the matter is that neither team has anything to brag about. I'm certainly dissapointed with the season so far. If you want to beat your chest about being ranked in the top 40 of the Saragin poll, so be it. So beating 4 final top 25 BCS teams (2008-2009), including 11-1 Alabama, in one season is the "perfect storm"? There goes your credability. BYU would be in the same boat this year if they played Utah's schedule; don't kid your self. Have a good evening.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:22 p.m.

    To Utah fans: you won the game. Congrats. In the pros, a team will play two games in its division and can meet again in playoffs. Very often the teams split.

    College you get one chance. BYU is not the same team Utah played, and vice versa. For better or for worse, the rankings are the only things that matter. Ask yourselves: could BYU beat Texas again? Could Utah be Stanford again? I would not bet on either.

    So enough with the juvenile comparisons. They are meaningless.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    @TRUTH

    Why, even if Utah beat BYU, BYU fans still wouldn't admit Utah is better. Head to head competition and the final score are meaningless. Didn't you get the Blue memo?

  • manutd San Diego, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    i dont read too much into these rankings.

    even though we may end up with a better record you cant ignore the fact that utah owns us for the time being.

    it is hard to admit but if we cant beat them 4 years running, they are the better team. period.

    they also beat utah state. so state bragging rights goes to utah.

    that said, if we were to play utah at the end of the year, i think byu comes out on top.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    How about an article re-ranking schedules? BYU's "toughest season ever" has turned out to be weaksauce.

  • pac12ute4life Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    Please. Those rankings mean nothing. Utah is better than Arizona, and Utah is better than BYU. Utah has been the best school in the state for the past two decades, both athletically and academically. Nice try in your attempt to bring Utah, a national brand and major athletic presence, to the level of BYU and Utah State, two weakly known regional schools.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    When two teams are close to being at the same level, the better team does not always win when they play head to head. I am not saying that is what happened when BYU played Utah, but most of the polls and other ranking systems do. So maybe that is what I am saying.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    godog3... said:

    "The Virginia loss was awful like Utah's loss to Colorado."

    Well, not quite. BYU's los to Virginia was an opening game, which they had won despite the many dropped passes and instead of taking the win they decided to get fancy and a turn-over resulted, changing the game to a loss. Hopefully the coaches learned a thing or two when in that situation.

    Utah never was in front of Colorado, they were playing AT HOME in SLC and Colorado was the worst road team in the country at the time. PLUS---Utah was playing for all the marbles. All the stars lined up for Utah to go to the first PAC 12 Championship game a s the Southern Division champion; they had Norm Chow, OC extraordinaire, and they laid a big goose egg. The PAC 12 will NEVER be se greased for Utah again.

    This year they're 1 - 3, for a start, a slight improvement over being 0 - 4. Still in the basement, those Utes. The top third of the PAC 12 is ranked....why isn't Utah among the elite? B-T-W, they lost to Oregon State (at home yet again) who lost to.....

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:37 p.m.

    How is BYU ranked higher than Utah, when clearly on the field Utah has BYU's number? Simple: Rankings are subjective and very much favor wins versus losses, regardless of the quality of the opponent. So how do you get a high ranking without being very good?: Play not very good teams.

    While I recognize that this is probably the toughest schedule BYU has ever had, Utah's schedule is still far tougher. The Utes have had some close losses to great teams that have cost us in the rankings. While I wish it was different, it's what it is.

    For BYU fans to come on here and claim superiority after we've beat them 4 years in a row is pretty ridiculous. You stay classy BYU.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    If we just played the next few years we would totally win those games. The last few years are just flukes cause the best team always loost.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    @soonerute

    BYU's SOS currently ranks 25th, utah's ranks 5th. If you are going to claim utah's SOS is accurate then you have to admit BYU's SOS is also accurate since it is the same people ranking both of them.

    So tell me this, based on what do you consider the 25th ranked SOS to be "weak sauce"? A top 25 SOS seems pretty good to me, at least if you are going to believe SOS rankings.

    It would appear your bitterness over utah's performance is weighing on your pscyche although I don't really know why as utah has performed much better overall than most people thought they would. utah "fan" delusion is a very interesting thing.

  • PAC 12 Punching Bag SLC, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    Why is anyone debating this? Everyone knows the only rankings that are real are recruiting rankings that rank Utah's recruits higher than BYU's. Team rankings are meaningless unless Utah beats a "ranked" team or Utah is ranked. If BYU is ranked it still means Utah is better and if BYU beats a ranked team it means that team never should have been ranked anyway. If Utah beats a ranked team it means that team was legitimately ranked because Utah beating a ranked team just proves how good Utah is.

    It all makes perfect sense so why are you BYU fans even trying to debate it?

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    It appears 4 in a row has caused some bitterness.

    Congratulations, the better team must have won.

    All we will have the next two years is rankings. Congratulations again.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    Jimmy James

    "For BYU fans to come on here and claim superiority after we've beat them 4 years in a row is pretty ridiculous."

    Obviously, Utah's 4 straight head-to-head wins haven't impressed the national media. Slice it any way that helps you sleep at night, but it's not just BYU fans, it's the national media that says that BYU is BETTER than Utah.

    Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95 rankings)

    BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2
    Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average 40.6

    ---------

    SoonerUte

    "How about an article re-ranking schedules? BYU's "toughest season ever" has turned out to be weaksauce."

    Utah SOS #5
    BYU SOS #24

    SOS is already calculated into the rankings and only a jealous, crimson glasses wearing Utah fan would try to characterize a Top 25 SOS as "weak sauce".

    Versus FBS teams, BYU is 5-2
    Versus FBS teams, Utah is 3-3

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but nobody hands out trophies for SOS; in order to be rewarded for playing a tougher SOS you actually have to WIN!

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    Spokane Ute meet Phoenix. Phoenix meet Spokane Ute.

    "BYU's SOS is currently ranked #24.

    Utah SOS rank since 2000:

    76, 62, 75, 62, 67, 76, 73, 60, 56, 75, 50, 49, 41, currently #5".

    Can we just say that this season both teams are playing a difficult schedule and stop trying to this silly SOS discussion?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    It appears that constantly finishing behind the Cougars in records and rankings is causing a panic attack in Ute Nation.

    Records and rankings are only be meaningful when they favor Utah.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    @pac12ute4life It's hilarious how you can claim that utah is better than Arizona even though U lost to them, but you get all indignant when BYU fans say the same thing about U. And U lost to Arizona by more than BYU lost to U. Explain the logic behind your statement. I'd love to see a rematch in November based on Hill's improvement and utah's predictable decline.

    The truth is (and U guys refuse to admit it) there is only one great team in the PAC12. And it certainly isn't U.

    @KH, since you didn't tag a description to utah in your list of schedules let me do it for you.

    utah: A team that pulls all the stops in order to beat BYU thus making their season worth while. And then, when the wheels come off for the rest of the season, they can feel good about themselves while they snipe at BYU from their couches as BYU plays in an ignominious non, BCS bowl game. But they still feel superior because if they could just win their conference (a pipe dream) they are automatically in the BCS.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:29 p.m.

    I knew Utah fans would whine of their SOS. Bwah!! Should have stayed in MWC, but they couldn't beat Boise State either.

    If you can't take the heat,--get out of the kitchen. Are the utes competitive in any sport?

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    Bold article.

    Here's another bold statement. BYU will finish the season with a better overall record than the Utes.

    Next bold statement, Utah's strength of schedule will be 30-40 spots higher than byu's.

    Next bold statement, Utah beat BYU this year.

    Next bold statement, Utah has won 4 in a row.

    ... Do I need to keep going?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    @ talkinsports

    and conversely, head to head results don't matter when they favor Utah.

    @32843

    Sure, as soon as BYU fans acknowledge and accept that Utah beat BYU this year. Now Utah needs to beat some one else on the road. The Arizona loss felt like a punch in the stomach.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Surf is up, you just gave the exact excuse that I said byu fans give every year in my first post, that byu fans say every year that byu is the better team and Utah just gets up for the game. Why did Kyle Van Noy say that the Utah game was their Super Bowl this year?

    You think all the wheels fell off for Utah besides the byu game? What about beating #5 Stanford? I think Utah got up more for that game than the byu game. Why can't you just admit to yourself that Utah has been better the last 4 years, and the last 9 out of 12 years. When Utah loses to byu, which doesn't happen very often, I admit that byu is the better team.

    byu has to be the only fan base in America that has lost to its rival 4 years in a row and still thinks they are the better team.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    UteinIdaho

    "... Do I need to keep going?"

    Yes, bottom line, BYU will once again be ranked higher, will have a better record, and BYU's SOS won't be anywhere close to 40 points lower than Utah's SOS.

    Spokane Ute

    Head-to-head results matter for bragging rights only, but unfortunately for U, one game does not a season make.

    Despite the constant chest beating on the hill, Utah's 1-, 3- and 7-point wins in 3 of the last 4 BYU-Utah games are insignificant in the overall success of each team.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Utes have bragging rights for the rivalry for the last 4 years. That is the truth.
    The average ranking has BYU higher and again that is the truth.
    Both fan bases can be proud of each one.
    But the rivalry bragging rights do mean more (in my opinion).

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    @ SolomnLevi

    You left out the 44 point win. I'm sure it was just an over sight. The BYU-Utah game is insignificant? OK, sure. Again, the Stanford win was far bigger then the BYU win. Unfortunately, Utah struggles on the road vs. conference foe; and that's the fact. BYU would too, make no mistake. I'm sure BYU fans wouldn't boast about a 4 game winning streak over Utah. Yeah, right. Bottom line, both teams are medicore. Utah beats BYU. BYU has more wins and a better record. Utah plays a slightly tougher schedule, buy BYU plays a good schedule. Both teams are destin to a low, low tier bowl. That's the sad, hard truth. I miss the days when both schools were in the top 25.

  • eelek62 SANDY, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    I think BYU's loss to Virginia can be compared to Oregon State's loss to FCS team Eastern Washington. Oregon State should not have lost that game, but they did. Oregon State is one of the best offensive teams in the country, and is on the rise. By the end of the season, most people will have forgotten that embarrassing loss. I'm not saying that BYU and Oregon State are identical, but there are some similarities between the two teams. Both are improving, and started poor.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    gdog3finally: Don't ignore the fact that u would not have two BCS bowl wins if you had to play BCS conference schedules to qualify.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    @Snack PAC
    Why do Utah fans continue to spout whiny excuses about Utah's schedule being too tough, when even during their MWC days, BYU still finished with better records and higher rankings than the Utes who were playing the same SOS as BYU.

    ----------------

    Like I said, grind of Big 5 football is like Darwinism; which I don't expect you to understand.

    Go ask TCU fans, maybe explain it to you.

    As far as MWC, nice spin but you were not better in the MWC. The top dogs in the MWC were TCU and Utah.

    * Final AP Rankings: Utah 4 BYU 5

    * MWC Titles: Utah 4 BYU 4

    * Better record while in MWC: Utah 7 BYU 5 (In 2002: Utah 5-6 vs BYU 5-7, Utah won head-to-head)

    No matter how you spin it, having one more AP #25 ranking does not compare to two undefeated, top 5, BCS bowl win seasons.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    @Uteology
    Top 25 rankings actually do matter.
    How many people remember that Hawaii and Northern Illinois were in the BCS.
    Not many.
    Sustained, long term rankings are where reputations are made.
    Remember when West Virginia was #1?
    TCU was actually picked by some to win the Big 12.
    This is funny two BCS bowl wins does not make a good program.
    I doubt Hawaii and Northern Illinois are considerd top flight programs and neither are Boise, TCU and Utah.
    Boise is considered the best of those 5 because of continued success, and consistent national rankings.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Uteology

    "As far as MWC, nice spin but you were not better in the MWC. The top dogs in the MWC were TCU and Utah."

    LOL!

    2005 to 2010 (after TCU joined the MWC)

    MWC Championships
    TCU 3
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    Average MWC Finish
    TCU 2.0
    BYU 2.0
    Utah 2.67

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    TCU 5
    BYU 4
    Utah 2

    Top 15 Finishes
    TCU 4
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

    Utah had one great, perfect storm season in 2008, but during the 2005 to 2010 period when TCU was a member of the MWC, Utah was a distant 3rd big dog to TCU and BYU.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    @ Lone Star

    "perfect storm season", Yep, beating 4 top 25 teams, then 11-1 Alabama was a 100 year storm. Anything, and I mean anything but give Utah credit for an incrediable team and a perfect season that was earned. I'm sure the last 4 BYU-Utah games were perfect storms too.

    LOL

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    @BeSmart

    This is funny two BCS bowl wins does not make a good program.
    I doubt Hawaii and Northern Illinois are considered top flight programs and neither are Boise, TCU and Utah.
    Boise is considered the best of those 5 because of continued success, and consistent national rankings.

    -------------

    Boise would struggle in a Big 5 league just like Utah and TCU.

    When did I say Utah was a top flight program?

    Apparently, 5he only top flight program is BYU, with no undefeated seasons in the BCS era, no BCS bowls, not BCS Bowl wins, no top 10 finishes, 0-4 vs Utah, TCU 0-4 vs TCU, 0-3 Boise.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    @Cougar76

    We will never know, now will we? That's conjecture, Utah beat 4 teams ranked in the top 25. There schedule was ranked stronger than BCS schools Iowa, Arizona, North Western and Kansas State. It was one spot behind Penn State. I know it's difficult to do, but give credit where credit is due. It was a great season and they played a good schedule.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Uteology

    BYU has a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy winner, 6 National Hall of Fame Players, and 17 AP Top 25 finishes, including 4 in the Bronco/Kyle era.

    What have U got?

    2 bcs bowl wins, one that is clearly vastly over-rated, 5 lifetime AP Top 25 finishes, and a losing record in the PAC.

    Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC teams.
    Kyle is 12-17(40%) versus PAC teams.

    It is what it is.

    Deal with it.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    First it was in the MWC now it's after TCU joined the MWC?

    Why did you leave off top 5 finishes or BCS wins?

    Your "Average MWC Standing" is wrong. In 2010 BYU 7-6 was the 5th best team in the MWC even though you finished tied in the MWC with Air Force 9-4 and San Diego 9-4.

    Your "Top 15 Finishes" is also wrong. BYU finished AP #16 in 2006, Utah #18 was as good 2009.

    2010: 10-3 vs 7-6 (+3 U)
    2009: 10-3 vs 11-2 (+1 Y)
    2008: 13-0 vs 10-3 (+3 U, 4th Title, BCS win)
    2007: 9-4 vs 11-2 (+2 Y, 4th Title)
    2006: 8-5 vs 11-2 (+3 Y, 3rd)
    2005: 7-5 vs 6-5 (+1 U)
    2004: 12-0 vs 5-6 (+7 U, 3rd, BCS win)
    2003: 10-2 vs 4-8 (+6 U, 2nd)
    2002: 5-6 vs 5-7 (U, head-to-head win)
    2001: 8-4 vs 12-2 (+4 Y, 2nd)
    2000: 4-7 vs 6-6 (+2 Y)
    1999: 9-3 vs 8-4 (+1 U, tied in conference 1st title for both)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    Utah had one great, perfect storm season in 2008, but during the 2005 to 2010 period when TCU was a member of the MWC, Utah was a distant 3rd big dog to TCU and BYU.

    ------------

    Not true. From the "perfect storm" season on:

    1. TCU 36-3
    2. Utah 33-6 (lost to @#6 TCU, @#12 BYU, @#11 Oregon, #2 TCU, #9 Boise, @#26 ND)
    3. BYU 28-11 (lost to Arizona (8-5), FSU (7-6), @USU (4-8), @AFA, Nevada, etc.)

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    I am not claiming BYU is a top flight program.
    The point of my comment was to state that top 25 rankings do matter.
    Sorry not attacking any school.
    BYU has more top 25 rankings in the last 10 years. Right?
    Is that why they are favored in each BYU-UTAH matchup ( I know the utes won but this is off reputation)
    My point was and is consistent rankings are what make a program.
    I cheer for all Utah schools and try to be objective. I applaud Utah's accomplishments but top 25 rankings matter ( now bragging about being 30.25) that does not matter.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Uteology
    I have to counter your argument from the perfect season on.
    against like opponents from 2006-2010
    Utah 30-10 BYU 34-6
    That is pretty even.
    Looking back BYU no-conference schedule looks tougher than the U's

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Uteology

    LOL at your convoluted spin.

    You're the one who brought up TCU as "dominating" the MWC with Utah, yet the Horned Frogs didn't even join the conference until 2005; but, now you only want to count HALF the seasons TCU, BYU and Utah were in the conference?

    Hilarious!

    How about we only count BYU's ranked seasons in our calculations? I'm sure BYU's record would blow Utah's record out of the water in those seasons.

    btw, BYU was Top 15 in the Coaches poll in 2006.

    In fact, since 2006, BYU has had THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons (AP and/or Coaches polls); more 11+ win seasons than Utah has had in its entire history.

  • Tennisguy West Bountiful, 00
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    I think some separation is starting to occur between the two programs - Utah has dominated the head to head matchups with BYU over the past decade and Utah clearly has the best athletes going through its program. If you don't believe me, check ESPN.com and search NFL rosters by school. The count is 20-7 in Utah's favor. BYU can only attract a certain type of athlete and clearly this type of athlete doesn't cut it.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    Let's see, Utah has a win over a top 5 team and two good teams (BYU and USU with Keaton). BYU has wins over two good Texas teams, but was manhandled at home by Utah (go watch the tape before you tell me it was only 7 points, it wasn't close kids) and lost to a poor Virginia team. But because Utah went down in two nail-biters with top 25 teams, and a close one with another good team, somehow BYU is better? The logic doesn't add up.

    I won't argue that Utah is better than Stanford, but will argue that they can stay close in games with very good teams and win a few. They are proving that on the field. BYU was not able to prove on the field that they were as good as Utah and until they knock off Wisconsin and ND, I will not believe that they are better than Utah. Prove it on the field, not a comment board!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    sparkley

    "The logic doesn't add up."

    Go whine to the paid sports pundits, coaches, media, etc.

    It is what it is. Your obsession over one game is a prime example as to why Ute fans don't get it and squawk the loudest, whine the most and can't move on.

    You won, big deal, it doesn't end football for BYU but obviously Ute fans feel quite jilted with these rankings and deal poorly with BYU's ability to move on and improve. Our quarterback is blossoming quite well from the worst to now a top 10 QB you think?

    Utes just beat Stanford and can't keep that lovin' feeling because they lose to the Oregon States and Arizonas of their conference. The looming beatdowns coming from USC, ASU and Oregon got to be morale boosters as well.

    I don't care what you believe about who's better but when we read in the paper these rankings and when your team is home for the holidays and your on the couch mumbling "...but we beat those guys"... somehow brings a big smile to my face.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner: "In fact, since 2006, BYU has had THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons (AP and/or Coaches polls); more 11+ win seasons than Utah has had in its entire history."

    That's wonderful, who did you beat? This is the BCS era, even Hawaii and Northern Illinois have a BCS season.

    TCU was better and accomplished much more yet they are struggling in Big 12.

    Face the fact BYU can compete in the AAC/MWC/CUSA, but would be a "bottom feeder" in Big 5 leagues.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    sammyg

    Springville, UT

    sparkley

    "The logic doesn't add up."

    Go whine to the paid sports pundits, coaches, media, etc.

    It is what it is. Your obsession over one game is a prime example as to why Ute fans don't get it and squawk the loudest, whine the most and can't move on.

    -------------

    One game? He clearly stated the three big wins in order: #8 Stanford, USU (with Keeton), and @BYU.

    Ute Nation can't move on? Then why is Cougar Nation crying for a rematch?

    Priceless!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:59 a.m.

    Quit with the calling UCF patsies! Perhaps for one season out of the last 4 they had an abysmal record... But, this season, in season is what matters, they beat #8 at #8's house! I don't care about BCS this that or the other... Truth is, that this season UCF could earn an automatic BCS bowl bid and enough on that... Talking smack about Utah better than BYU based on 54-10 shallacking within the same season as a victory at home over an FCS who cares and 4-5 in conference is just silly. It is time to wake up to the reality that BCS doesn't mean diddly! Yes, this season ya beat #5... But ya beat them at HOME! Irrelevant! Like was said on yahoo the other day... Stanford always seems to lose to a stiff every year that prevents them from playing for all the marbles... Something the PAC-12 has perfected during the duration of BCS championship game lifetime! This year will be no different. If Oregon should get lucky and play Alabama or the SEC rep in the championship game, they will lose. Of that we can be certain!

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Despite the entertaining spin from the hill, the national media has already answered the question:

    Re-ranking the college football teams: "Where do BYU, Utah and USU stand after week 8?"

    Current Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95 rankings)

    BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2
    Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average 40.6

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    I'd like to reiterate Uteology's spot-on comment: If Ute Nation supposedly can't move on, then why is Cougar Nation crying for a rematch?

    Additionally, if Ute Nation supposedly can't move on, then why is the majority of Cougar Nation attempting so many spins to "prove" on these comment boards that they're the better football team?

    0-4 against the Utes is 0-4, no matter how you spin it. The Utes took care of the Cougs first, and are now focused on bigger and better things, namely securing 2-4 more PAC-12 wins, and getting back to their bowl-winning ways.

    Go Utes!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Samurai Jake

    A rematch is unlikely since the upper limit for Utah appears to be the New Mexico Bowl versus Wyoming, while BYU is all but guaranteed a berth in the Kraft Bowl.

    As far as proving better team, BYU fans don't have to spin anything regarding rankings, the national media have already spoken for BYU on that issue.

    Current Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95 rankings)

    BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2
    Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average 40.6

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    Let's put this issue to bed on whether Utah or byu is better. The only question you byu fans need to ask yourselves is, Would byu have a better, equal, or worse record than Utah if they played Utah's schedule. The answer is, byu would have a worse record if they played Utah's schedule. Therefore, Utah is the better team. Let me illustrate:

    byu vs. Utah St. = byu wins (because it happened on the field, even though Utah St. had no Keeton,
    byu vs. Weber St. = byu wins
    byu vs. #25 Oregon St. = byu loses
    byu vs. Utah = byu loses (because it happened on the field, at byu's stadium)
    byu vs. #9 UCLA = byu loses
    byu vs. #5 Stanford = byu loses
    byu vs. Arizona = byu probably loses - I think this one is up in the air.

    Utah is 4-3 right now. byu would be 2-5, maybe 3-4. Utah is better. Even if byu won all of the games that Utah won, even beating Stanford, Utah would still be 4-3 and byu would be 3-4, because they lost to Utah.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Some people really believe perception is reality and work hard to change perceptions...

    Other people believe that results are reality and accept results as such...

    It seems that BYU fans (and a few media members) are really working hard to find some (any) justification to deny a result we all saw on the field. Heck deny results we have seen on the field for over a decade.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    Marked it Down

    A rematch being unlikely is vastly different than Cougar fans clamoring for it (which has indeed happened).

    As far as CURRENT rankings proving byu is the better team, they mean next to nothing since the entire season hasn't been played out. Let's chat again at the end of the season.

    As far as proving Utah's a better team head to head versus byu, the past four seasons in a row have already spoken for Utah on that matter.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 24, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    * Utah is 8-1 vs mid majors since joining the PAC-12 (only loss to ranked #18 Utah State)

    * Utah finished 33-6 in the MWC (only loses to AP #26 and above)

    So Utah plying BYUs schedule would most likely be:

    @Virgina ... Travis can play in the rain... W
    @Texas ... lets just assume Texas could tackle ... L
    BYU ... DOH! ... W
    @Utah State ... beat them at RES and without Keeton an easy ... W
    Middle Tennessee ... W
    Georgia Tech ... beat them with a D2 QB, GT is 0-2 against us ... W
    @Houston ... we OWN mid-majors that are not ranked... W

    * Utah at worst would be 5-1, and if Texas defense still couldn't tackle then 6-0.

    @Marked it Down: "As far as proving better team, BYU fans don't have to spin anything regarding rankings, the national media have already spoken for BYU on that issue."

    The national media is AP, according AP rankings this week Utah is better by three judges:

    Others receiving votes: Arizona State 108, Notre Dame 82, Oregon State 79, Michigan State 73, Georgia 30, Ole Miss 27, Florida 17, Utah 4, Washington 4, Texas 2, Ball State 1, Brigham Young 1

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    Uteology

    "So Utah playing BYU's schedule would most likely be:..."

    Don't kid yourself; Utah has proven time and time again, that the Utes are capable of losing to ANYBODY, even a 10-loss UNLV team that only beat one other team (another 10 loss team) all season and a 10-loss Colorado team that hadn't won a road game in four years.

    Utah is 0-8 lifetime versus Washington; BYU is 4-4 versus Washington, including a win in 2010.

    Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC 12 teams since 2005, including wins over Oregon, UCLA, Washington, Oregon St, Washington St, and Arizona.

    Kyle is 12-17(41%) versus PAC 12 teams since 2005, including 0-2 versus Washington.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Uteology

    "The national media is AP, according AP rankings this week Utah is better by three judges:

    Others receiving votes: Arizona State 108, Notre Dame 82, Oregon State 79, Michigan State 73, Georgia 30, Ole Miss 27, Florida 17, Utah 4, Washington 4, Texas 2, Ball State 1, Brigham Young 1"

    It's laughable that you chose to conveniently ignore the other national poll, which also happens to be the official bcs final poll, since the Utes were completely ignored by the Coaches:

    Others receiving votes: Michigan State 102, Oregon State 91, Notre Dame 62, Arizona State 51, Georgia 37, Ole Miss 17, Texas 11, Houston 6, Florida 4, BRIGHAM YOUNG 3, Ball State 1, Boise State 1, Louisiana-Lafayette 1, Rutgers 1, Tennessee 1

  • B C Park City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2013 6:25 a.m.

    Uteology

    Your spin is hilarious.

    Utah is 0-4 versus Houston.
    The last time Utah played Ga Tech the Utes barely beat them 30-27 in OT.
    And lets not forget, you lost to the Aggies in Logan last year.

    Bottom line, Utah could very easily be 3-4 versus BYU's schedule, and that's assuming you didn't lay an egg in the rain and slop of Virginia.

  • aggfan77 Shire, 00
    Oct. 25, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Y and U fans....so funny! What would be awesome is if all the big 3 schools did really well. That is what I'm hoping for! The U is a good team and they are playing the hardest schedule. But the Y has a very legit schedule also. Even USU had a brutal first half of the season!

    I hope every team in UTAH ends up in a bowl game!
    U of U keep figuring things out you have a good team!
    Y ....well just keep winning...
    Go Aggies!!! :-)

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Oct. 25, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    You can make all the analogies you want but two thing can't be argued. First Utah beat both USU and BYU head to head this year. Second Utah's schedule is significantly more difficult than either BYU or USU. If the Utes played the Y's schedule their record would likely be very similar but that is all speculation. BYU has a very long history of playing a schedule that allows them to rack up a lot of wins and many times leads to a ranking in the polls. This year is no exception and if they beat Boise tonight they will get some votes, possibly even a ranking. Get back to me after the WI and ND games. A win in either of those would be significant, two losses around two wins in the other games doesn't make for a legitimate top 25 team.

  • TDeagle24 mapleton, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    I am a Byu fan, but cougar fans have no bragging rights over Utah fans. Utah won the game on the field, and therefore have all the bragging rights.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Oct. 27, 2013 1:50 a.m.

    Spokane Ute,
    I would rather get owned by one team i.e. Utah and still have a better record and go to bowl games then win four straight end up with worse W-L records and stay home during bowl season!!! 6-2 and going bowling for the 9th straight year!!! Utah now 4-4 and in jeopardy of sitting home for the second straight year and not having a winning conference record all three years in the PAC12!!!

    Rise up!!! Go Cougs!!!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    CO Ute

    BYU(6-2) is ranked #24 in Sagarin with a SOS of #21
    Utah(4-4) is ranked #39 with a SOS of #4

    Despite your clueless spin, BYU's 2013 schedule is SIGNIFICANTLY tougher than ANY schedule Utah has ever played, prior to this season.

    BYU has beaten THREE teams this season that the Utes have NEVER beaten Texas(0-1), BSU(0-4), and Houston(0-4), and let's not forget, the Utes barely beat Utah St at home this year, and lost to the Aggies in Logan last year, and you barely beat Ga Tech by 3 points in OT the last time you played the Yellowjackets.

    Even with BYU's schedule, it's very likely the Utes would be 4-4, possibly even 3-5.

    Take off those crimson-colored glasses long enough to see reality.

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 9, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    This is typical. Utah Gets up for BYU and then suffers huge losses to USC and Arizona. This is starting to look more and more like the Ron McBride era. Early wins vs. BYU mean nothing. I have been saying it for years. It is not how you start but how you finish. Maybe he utes can pull out a win against. Perennial bottom dwellers WSU and CU.