"I have tremendous respect for head coach Kyle Whittingham and athletic
director Chris Hill," Cavalli said. "On the other side, BYU athletic
director Tom Holmoe is an old friend of mine. So we have strong connections to
both schools."Having respect for a program is not the same as
having a connection to that program. I hope Utah and BYU don't play each
other in a bowl. There's absolutely no benefit for the Utes. Playing
Wyoming in Albuquerque doesn't sound much better though....
The rivalry only hurts both schools. A loss by either seriously hurts the
loser's season while a win doesn't bring much notice from the rest of
the country. The rivalry should just go away, it's only breeding in-state
ill will. A both rematch would just compound the irrelevancy of it all; please
don't do this.
Two for flinchingI would believe that the bowl game has a ton of respect
for BYU or else they would not have signed a contract with them.The
benefit for the Utes and Cougs is they get to play in a bowl, and get 3 more
weeks of practice.
If any team goes to the Kraft Hunger Bowl, then I would say the season was not a
success at all for either team.
It's time for the Pac-12 and Big10 to take over the Kraft Hunger Bowl and
make it an event teams will aspire to play for. Right now it's a joke and
byu owns it. The Utes will have to win three more games to avoid that debacle.
It would be fun, but hopefully not because that would mean we only win 2 more
more games. I'm hoping to win all but Oregon!! Also, BYU is a been there,
done that game. It's amazing how far beyond BYU I've
come. Now I just look at BYU and think, "nice win, but we have bigger fish
to fry."GO UTES!!
The big question is how many Utah fans would travel to SF to attend the game if
the Utes were invited? Everyone knows bowl games are all about money, so the
bowl committee will invite the PAC-12 team most likely to fill seats and bring
in TV ratings. Without a big national following (like USC), they'd pass on
the Utes. Cougar fans will show up no matter who they play, so the
big question is how enthusiastic would Utah fans be for a rematch? The Utes
have more to lose in such a matchup than they have to gain. I see the bowl
committee picking USC or Oregon State as BYU's opponent, and the Utes going
to the New Mexico Bowl to face Wyoming, which is better than going to the Potato
Bowl in Boise in December!
Every game that BYU and Utah have plaid, with few exceptions have been great
games. They usually come down to the last play of the game or over time. The
winning margins by both teams amount to no more than a lucky toss of the Dice.
This is a rich rivalry, one of the best in the country, and I for one would like
to see them play at the end of the season rather than at the start. If they do
that, this Bowl game will be a barn burner. Both Utah and BYU will have seasoned
Quarterbacks, and each team will have both sides of the ball solid and their
rosters healthy. This has the makings of being one of, if not the strongest Bowl
game of this season. You who say don't do it I would bet are Utah fans. The
players themselves want to play this game. None of the players on these two
teams want to play a meaningless bowl game, which is exactly what they would be
doing if they are offered this opportunity to play each other again and turn it
down. Neither of these two teams will be offered anything better.
Oh no. I don't think I could take another loss to Utah. Twice in one year
would be unbearable. I'm just hoping that BYU can get their offense fixed
so that they can become bowl eligible. They should be 6-0 right now, but lost
to two teams who came better prepared to the game. Getting through each game,
one at a time, needs to be a priority. Worry about the Hunger Bowl later.
I would love to see those 2 teams play again. With Taysom Hill's vastly
improved passing, there's not much doubt BYU would beat in a rematch.
Utah's fans know that too. Consequently, they don't want to have a
rematch. But it would be nice to quiet the most obnoxious of Utah's fans
who became even more so after their last game..
It would just be another loss for the Cougars. Unfortunately, Sitake and
Whitingham have out coached Mendenhall and Anae for the past 4 years.
Ugh. I think most of us (Ute fans) are done with BYU for a while and
wouldn't be too excited for a rematch. I would really rather see the Utes
play any other quality opponent. But let's not get ahead of ourselves; the
Utes have a lot of work to do before becoming bowl eligible and that status is
very much up in the air.
Tators, you're a funny man. Why in the world would Utah be scared to play
BYU when they own, as on the field, them. Losing 9 of 12 is not going to lead
Utah to fear your team in the least (the Utes have beat them time and time
again). I say bring it on, beating BYU twice in a year would be fun to watch
and a fitting parting gift for the next two years.
@ Pipes:3 of the 4 games you referenced went down to the last play
of the game. Most smart Ute fans realize that their current streak is on
borrowed time, so will come up with all kinds of excuses in wanting to avoid a
rematch. They know BYU blew out their last 3 opponents and saw what they did to
Georgia Tech.If I was a Ute fan (heaven forbid) I'd act all
nonchalant about a rematch that I knew probably wouldn't go my way. BYU has
improved significantly since their Utah game. I don't blame Ute fans for
wanting to avoid a rematch. It's human nature to cover up and make excuses
Tators-I wouldn't mind seeing the Utes beating your sorry team
one last time before the hiatus. Then the only excuse we would all have to hear
from you is "If only they would have played the 9th game of the season, BYU
definitely would have won...". It is honestly sickening how some BYU fans
and certain media members can't outright admit that Utah is (and has been
for most of the time for the past 15 or 20 years) the better football program.
I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch. It would certainly be more interesting
than playing Wyoming. It would give the 0-4 club a chance at redemption and the
Utes another shot at further shaming the BYU players who would depart 0-5.
I'd bet $50 that within a week of a second Utah win, there would be BYU
fans on these boards piling binders of analysis of how the Y is still the better
team despite never proving it where it really counts, on the field.
@Tators and others wanting the rematchBYU had just as much time to prepare
as Utah did, and they didn't get the job done. They promised and
didn't deliver. They were slow. They had a stupid game plan. They were
lazy and un-focused. I love my Cougars, but when they play Utah, they just
don't get ready to play - BEFORE the game. I cry U-N-C-L-E. Let's
@RSLfanalwaysBYU has no other option that is the bowl game that they have
a contract into. Now cougs don't get all riled, every team can play in the
BCS/Championship game. Not this year for the Cougs 2 losses already to very
poor teams, right? I mean we all know how Utah got lucky again.
@TatorsI doubt borrowed time is the correct term. I think this run is
more like the 1920's, 1930's, and 1940's. However, you are
correct the Cougs are much better than the team that went to UVA. I realize
that BYU is the only program in the country that is getting better as the season
goes on but they still would be lacking.
@ tatorsWhy would we want a rematch? We have nothing else to prove.
BYU, on the other hand would have nothing to lose since they have already done
plenty of that against Utah the past few years. And no, we didn't see or
care what BYU did to Georgia Tech. We were watching a much bigger game.
Four years. Five losses.Lol
Well the Utes beat Provo 3 times last year, might as well beat them twice this
year. Same results, just different date and venue.... the gap has widened,
it's just not going to happen for the blue team.
Oh come on just let this happen. It would be great to let kyle van noy and the
rest of the byu seniors get one last chance to beat the utes in their last ever
game as cougars. Besides, wouldn't it be great for both teams to get a
rivalry win in one season?
Do It! We would totally kill utah this time. This timewe would get
hundreds of yards passing, running and throwing. I bet we would win by
about 30 points this time.
Yawn. There is nothing worse than two teams that have already played playing
again in a bowl game -- especially if they are from the same part of the
country. Bowl games are supposed to come up with interesting and unusual match
ups. ALSO, it is very unfair to the team that won. What do they have
to gain? Absolutely nothing. The loser has everything to gain. This would be a
dream for BYU, but a slap in the face for Utah.
Utah can't win bt playing BYU. Even when they beat them they aren't
the better team, at least according to the BYU fans who frequent these boards.
Pipes, yes it would be fun for BYU to play Utah again in a Bowl game. But,
Anae left BYU i 2010 and could have been dominated by Whit and Sitake in the
past four years. But, it sure would be great to Play Utah in the Fight Hunger
The ONLY reason I want utah to be bowl eligible is to match up with BYU in
December. Maybe we could re-name it the Bo Diddley Tech Bowl just for this game.
if byu is so irrelevant as most of you claim then why is it that you keep
posting on a byu thread ,i wony name names but you know who you are.
The Utes can't beat BYU in a rematch; they know it, and so does everybody
If they play again, I think that BYU would lose again. For some reason they
choke when it comes to the Utes. But lets hope we win the rest of our games
Naturally BYU fans want this. They can lose again and say:"Been
There, Done That, Got The "0-Fer" T-Shirt!"
"The Utes can't beat BYU in a rematch; they know it, and so does
everybody else."messingaround:Wait, didn't Y
fans say that last year, and the year before, and the year before that, and . .
Why don't they just play each other every week? Wouldn't that make
Right now ESPN predicts the New Mexico Bowl. Ironic but I am hoping we at least
make the Las Vegas Bowl. It would be nice to get a chance to play Boise State.
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BCSRose Bowl Game Presented by VIZIO (Jan. 1, 2014): Stanford vs. Big
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Holiday Bowl (Dec. 30): Washington vs. Big 12Hyundai Sun Bowl (Dec. 31):
Arizona State vs. ACCLas Vegas Bowl (Dec. 21): Oregon State vs. MWCFight Hunger Bowl (Dec. 27): USC vs. BYUGildan New Mexico Bowl (Dec.
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BYU is still the best team in the state; if the Utes want to prove otherwise,
they're going to have to beat BYU in bowl game.
No. Bowl games are fun, because more than likely you play a team you have never
played before. Or not for several years. It has a different meaning other than
non-conference games.Yeah there are rematches that happen in the BCS
bowls, but something is one the line for both teams.BYU should play
someone else, and Utah should play someone else, if both are options for the
Kraft Obesity Bowl.
Y>UAnaheim, CA said:"BYU is still the best team in the
state; if the Utes want to prove otherwise, they're going to have to beat
BYU in bowl game."LOL! How many lines in the sand are you going
to draw? BYU lost again to Utah, get over it.
Considering the razor-thin wins over the Cougars the past 2 times they've
played, It's understandable why some Ute fans would be nervous, or even a
bit scared to give them another shot. I would be too if I was a Ute fan. USA
Today even has BYU currently ranked as the better team. It makes
sense to act nonchalant about dissing a rematch with BYU, and then hold out hope
for a good, but lesser ranked team.It's humorous to read some
of the hauty attitude comments of some Ute fans, knowing that many of them
actually comment as much or sometimes even more on BYU articles than they do on
Ute articles. They also comment much more on their games with BYU than on any
other games of their season. It then makes you look silly to say that playing
BYU would be irrelevant to you. Actions speak louder than words.
Reading these comments have been great entertainment...The ute fans
are all against the match up and the Coug fans are mostly for it... The Coug
fans know they would be in much better position than the utes come December and
it is clear that the ute fans are also thinking that...I would love
the match up... I would be in SF for sure on 12/27 if that were to occurbecause
I am confident it would put a muzzle on the utes for 3 years...Unfortunately, I don't think that it's going to happen because it
will require the utes to beat 2 teams between now and the end of the season....
And I think they will only get one more "W" (which is 2 more than I
thought they would get at the beginning of the season...).Nope, my
projection sheet has USC-BYU and the utes home for Pizza and Trophies at their
team banquet at Round Table... For what it's worth I think Wilson deserves
"Most Improved" and young Whittingham deserves "most
inspirational"... But they will need to wrap the event up early so that
everyone can get home and watch the game.
Great representation on this thread by fans of a team that doesn't care...
Ironic that Utah fans would be more satisfied with the New Mexico bowl than the
possibility of a rematch.Okay, so really, I do get it. More to lose
than to gain, but most of us can see the turmoil between the lines: "it IS a
chance to beat our hated, little brother non-rival whom we have so moved past
twice in one year!!! But a loss would be unbearable. Oh the angst""
There are so many fans that still think BYU is the better team. So, playing on
the field does not mean anything. We should end the the rivalry games and just
vote and take opinions for the state's bragging rights.
It's funny observing how Ute fans cope with their never ending saga of
PAC10.2 'lesser' bowl opportunities.Desperately wanting a
national stage, a bowl game and having the Kraft Fight Hunger and Las Vegas
Bowls as their ultimate 'booby' prize... at best.Always a
great thing for the Utes to be in a bowl game... for BYU... not so much,
according to Ute fans. LOL
So beating them in Provo wasn't proof enough? LOL! Coug logic at its
Y>U"BYU is still the best team in the state; if the Utes
want to prove otherwise, they're going to have to beat BYU in bowl
game." Board with independence already? Just wait until the 2014
schedule Holmoe has in store becomes a focus point for the byu collective.As for the byu / Utah series...4 of 4 and 9 of 12 is proof enough.
Clearly, U>y LOL!!!!!
So let me see if I understand the BYU fans commenting on this article.*BYU players announce they are coming back, because they have unfinished
business.*BYU schedules a bye right before they play Utah, giving them 2
weeks to prepare.*BYU players talk over and over about the Utah game at
their media day.*BYU players call the Utah game their SUPERBOWL!!!!BYU still loses, and now.......*BYU is the only team in the
country that improves over the season.*BYU offense is now unstoppable
after playing USU, G.T, and wait for it Middle tenn, beauty school.*BYU
always losses to Utah because they don't play well against Utah, they
can't get up for the game, Utah always plays their best game against
BYU.The truth is Utah is the better team, has the better players,
coaches, and despite the annual beat down of BYU has yet to win 9 of 12, 4 in a
row. Why would Utah or their fans want to play BYU in a bowl game?
Cougar fans ask yourself this question. Do you really want to be facing five
loses in a row with three more years to go? Perhaps you should be careful what
you wish for. It seems that you just can not admit the the Utes own you. I see
comments where you claim you have the best team and yet your record against Utah
says otherwise. Make any excuse you want but the fact is Utah owns you and has
for quite some time.
The delusions of grandeur in this thread are (almost) unbelievable.Utah is a better team than BYU. That much was obvious after watching the
head-to-head match up this season. There is absolutely no need for a re-match,
especially considering that no matter what happens Utah doesn't gain
anything. Let it go Cougars. It's over, and you lost.
Cougar fans are hilarious. Yeah, Ute fans are so-o-o scared of BYU, and
THAT'S why we wouldn't want to play BYU again this year. LOL. 4 in a
row, 9 out of 12 has us shakin' in our boots.The truth is if Utah
wanted to make sure we got a bowl WIN, then we'd be pulling for the
rematch. But what we really want is simply a different opponent. That being
said, if it's a MTN West team like Wyoming in the New Mexico Bowl then yes,
I'd rather play BYU again. But if it were Boise St in the Las Vegas bowl,
I'd way rather play that game than a rematch with a team Utah already
proved it was better than.
poymanRe: "I would be in SF for sure on 12/27 if that were to
occur because I am confident it would put a muzzle on the utes for 3
years."Kinda like the muzzle it didn't put on the cougars
despite it being your 4th loss in a row?
To all ute fans:It's true, Utah has owned BYU the last few years. I
honestly can't explain it and if Utah fans were willing to be unbiased they
would recognize that these programs are evenly matched. BYU has had big wins
against big time opponents....BYU has won as many MWC championships in the last
15 yrs as Utah has. BYU has more top 25 finishes than Utah the last 15 years.
Trying to beat your chests that you are the better program because you've
had BYUs number just doesn't jive with all the other evidence. Like it or
not when it comes to wins and losses, records, championships, BYU and Utah are
very close over the last 10-15 yrs. BYU may not have a victory over Alabama in
that time, but they also don't have losses to horrible teams like UNLV and
Colorado.I don't want to play Utah again either because it does
nothing for BYU. Beating USC is bigger, even if it's a down year for the
Trojans. Let Utah look forward to "proving something" against Wyoming.
Anybody that wouldn't want to see this game is nuts. Except for a couple
of cases these games have been riveting. I mean I'd rather see
Utah play Wyoming or BYU play Oregon State? Or a bunch of other bowl games
where one team goes to the competition disinterested. Besides the BCS
championship game and maybe the Rose Bowl, this probably would be the best bowl
game because there would be two teams playing that actually would be motivated
sammygSpringville, UTIt's funny observing how Ute fans cope
with their never ending saga of PAC10.2 'lesser' bowl
opportunities.Desperately wanting a national stage, a bowl game and
having the Kraft Fight Hunger and Las Vegas Bowls as their ultimate
'booby' prize... at best.Always a great thing for the Utes
to be in a bowl game... for BYU... not so much, according to Ute fans. LOL________LOL! BYU fans already deal with a never ending saga
of lesser bowl opportunities.Desperately wanting a national stage. Your
team signs up for them a couple of years in advance! Now that is funny!
Highcountry Ghost"So let me see if I understand the BYU fans
commenting on this article.*BYU players announce they are coming
back, because they have unfinished business.*BYU schedules a bye right
before they play Utah, giving them 2 weeks to prepare.*BYU players talk
over and over about the Utah game at their media day.*BYU players call the
Utah game their SUPERBOWL!!!!"Yep...that pretty much sums it up
except for three items you failed to mention from this year: 1. The Utes
prevailed again this year at LES (the Utes own byu AND Provo)2. KVN had
"unfinished business"3. byu was sporting their magic uniformsbyu stacked the deck every way imaginable and STILL couldn't get it
done. And now they want a re-match?? LOL!!
Scared Utah fans with their false bravado are hilarious. There isn't a team
on the planet the Utes would rather beat, but they're so scared of losing a
rematch to their big brothers, that they have to make up excuses to excuse their
What's that old adage about the definition of insanity?
sammyg"It's funny observing how Ute fans cope with their
never ending saga of PAC10.2 'lesser' bowl opportunities.Desperately wanting a national stage, a bowl game and having the Kraft Fight
Hunger and Las Vegas Bowls as their ultimate 'booby' prize... at
best."Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl and Vegas Bowls is a far cry from
a BCS game, and frankly disappointing for the Utes. Look at it this way, Sammy,
the BCS era has come and gone and byu is thrilled to have the Kraft Fight Hunger
Bowl. Now, that speaks volumes!
A dream for BYU . . . a nightmare for Utah.
@ TrueBlueI can think of 11 off the top of my head....It's hilarious you accuse Ute fans of being scared. Scared of what?
Winning 5 in a row and 10 of the last 13? Yeah, terrifying. This is a new level
of "sad", even for BYU fans.
Chris B - you've got to be loving your BCS membership. It is elevating your
team to a re-match with BYU in a bowl game or better yet, a fan preferred
match-up with Wyoming in the New Mexico bowl. Get used to it. The
goal is the Rose Bowl (forget the BCS). Here's a list of last
appearances:Arizona - joined in 1978, 35 years and no rosesCalifornia - 1959Oregon State - 1965Arizona State - 1997UCLA
- 1999Washington - 2001Washington State - 2003Utah -
MUSSing with UBaltimore, MDThe Utes can't beat BYU in a
rematch; they know it, and so does everybody else.----------What Cougar Nation and Kevin Van Noy know is that Utah has already swept
team in their annual Super Bowl. Why do BYU fans insist on
embarrassing Kevin Van Noy and company one last time? Kevin Van Noy
will be the all time loser 0-5 in the rivalry history. Why do BYU fans want
that "legacy" for their star player?
TrueBlue"There isn't a team on the planet the Utes would rather
beat, but they're so scared of losing a rematch to their big brothers, that
they have to make up excuses to excuse their cowardice."When you
say..."there isn't a on the planet the Utes would rather beat..."
I'm guessing you are referring to byu. If that is correct, allow me to
respond...There are 11 teams (plus every team scheduled) on the
planet that the Utes would rather play and beat than byu. Your challenge is to
realize that there are teams, besides Utah, that byu could play. The fixation
that the byu collective has with Utah is truly astonishing. Move along.
Cougsndawgs, come on. You're typically one of the more rational of the blue
bunch. I'd say the 2010 Utah State loss and this year's UVa loss were
every bit as bad as UNLV or Colorado. Yes, BYU would be a much more intriguing
matchup than Wyoming or an injury-riddled Utah State. But not as much as a good
Fresno or Boise team. Of course both of those would not be as great as a good
Big XII or ACC team in the Alamo, Holiday or Sun Bowls, so hopefully Utah can
1)win the two necessary games for eligibility, and 2)win some more and
intriguingly enough to make one of the bigger bowl games.
@True Blue"There isn't a team on the planet the Utes would
rather beat"...?Can't speak for others, but I can think of
quite a few, including Oregon, which is upcoming. Honest pardner, after winning
four in a row, it just isn't that big of a deal.
fenderDon't kid yourself. When was the last time a
Utah fan cited on these blogs Utah's record versus Oregon?Every
Utah fan can cite Utah's record versus BYU for the last 12 years.Most Utah fans couldn't even cite the last time Utah played Oregon, let
alone beat the Ducks.
That would be a great re-match. BYU had a touchdown called back after a kickoff
where very few people saw a block. BYU vs Utah had PAC 12 refs that were pretty
incompetent giving a game to ASU over Wisconsin plus not calling an obvious
knockdown of a BYU receiver at the end of the game. The past four years of Utah
domination hasn't been fun for Cougar fans or team. I think right now BYU
would defeat Utah but that needs to be decided on the field. Wittingham seems to
get excellence out of his team when they play BYU so they shouldn't be
afraid of a rematch.
It would be an insult and a letdown for the Utes. I would rather see them play
anybody else, anywhere else. Optimistic that the Utes will qualify for a much
better bowl anyway. Go Utes!
To all BYU haters!Utah is still two wins away from being elegible to go to
a bowl with no gimmies left on the schedule! A great win over Stanford and even
the experts are not convinced you will even come close to winning the south and
going to a better bowl!!! I hope for both teams that they get to face others
teams but I have a feeling that if they meet again the outcome will be different
this time around!!!Go BYU!!!Go UA!!!
I graduated from BYU and I grew up in Utah. I am a fan of both schools but I am
amazed by BYU fans calling Utah "little brother" Are they that detached
from reality? Apparently so. What is it about 13 out of the last 20 and 4 of the
last 4 that they do not understand? Yet they beat their chests and claim to be
the better team and better program (insert crickets here)
trueblue- you can always cite your numbers against your rivals, or facts about
them. I'm sure if the Y was winning against the U, you guys would be
thumping your chests and spouting about it as well. I don't know the series
w/l against Oregon. I do know that the last time we beat them was 03 and we lost
up there in 09 in a close game. Can you tell me without Googling what the Y
series is against a random team? I doubt it. I know the Yankees have won
27 rings and Boston has only 7, other than that I could care less how many other
teams have. If we end up matched up in a bowl game, so be it. I'm
sure the outcome will be to my liking. I would rather end up in a better bowl,
but a couple close losses to good teams this year, may make that difficult.
Please realize that we have moved on. We don't live and die with what you
guys do every week. Your fascination with our schedule is weird, but that's
TrueBlueRe:"When was the last time a Utah fan cited on these
blogs Utah's record versus Oregon?"You realize that Oregon
fans aren't on these threads talking smack right? That would answer your
question.Don't kid yourself, Utah fans will bask in a win over
fifth ranked Stanford just as we relish the opportunity to play second ranked
Oregon, and we do both long before caring about playing or beating BYU.
We'll continue to RESPOND to the crazy rantings of BYU fans but don't
confuse that with WORRYING about BYU or its fans.
To all Utah haters!This contest has been decided seven time in the last
four years. The truth has been exposed and there is nothing left to learn. You
people tell us the entire country wants to play byu. Great! Go find someone
else to obsess over. Just find someone else to fixate on...Boise St perhaps??
How about Virginia...there's a challenge for you. How about whoever byu
played today? The Utes have far more important programs to deal
with. Run along...
MyPerspective:"The Utes have far more important programs to deal with.
Run along..."I usually appreciate your insight but c'mon man.
Isn't it a little of a dichotomy when you tell BYU fans to run along
because U have more important programs to deal with? If U don't care and
have more important programs you care about, why are U on here talking to BYU
fans? Are UA fans not listening to U or something? HmmIf Utah was
actually a big time program and was in contention in the PAC12 they probably
would move on...the fact your struggling for bowl eligibility is exactly why you
can't move past "lowly" BYU. I think Utah fans should be happy
about going to a bowl regardless who it's against. Don't complain to
us when your in a pre-Christmas bowl playing powerhouse Wyoming because
you've "moved on".StGSLC:No I don't think
you can compare USU and UVA with UNLV & Colorado....look at the records and
how bad those programs were at the time of the games. Usu & UVA
weren't 10 loss teams.
Cougsndawgs, USU was in an awful WAC in 2010, was destroyed by teams like 5-7 La
Tech, 6-7 Idaho, and 2-10 New Mexico State. They were awful. And they destroyed
BYU. Virginia has a win over VMI in addition to their opening win over BYU. With
Georgia Tech, #3 Clemson, North Carolina, #10 Miami and #19 Va Tech, who are
they going to beat to avoid an 11 loss, let alone a 10 loss season?
CougsndawgsU fans are on here blogging, because the article is about
BYU/Utah and a possible bowl matchup. I don't think a rematch is that
interesting, just as it wouldn't be for BYU fans, if BYU had won the last
StGSLC:Utah state was 4-8 in 2010 and didn't lose to New Mexico
State...not sure where you got that from. Remember Utah's best team of all
time barely beat a 4-8 New Mexico team by a FG in 2008 (to say nothing of their
underwhelming 2 TD win over Weber). As for Virginia who knows what they will do
when it's all said and done. They should have beaten Maryland on the road,
and they're good enough to still win a couple. But ya, that was an
inexcusable loss for BYU.My point is, Utah and BYU are both good
programs, not great programs, and they are a lot closer programs than a lot of
arrogant Utah fans want to admit. I don't include you, or Spokane ute, or
Vegas ute, etc because I think while you guys will go to bat for your team,
you're also reasonable most of the time. I think it's great that both
BYU and Utah are decent programs...makes for fun Saturdays. I don't think
one program is superior to the other, and their records & championships bare
that out over the last 15 yrs.
ThomasJefferson"Until Utah wins a NC, they will be "little
brothers!" Got it!"Nope! The only people impressed with
byu's 30 year old accomplishment is byu fans. Until byu merits an
invitation to an elite conference, Utah is the big brother in these parts. The
BCS era has come left byu behind. As of this decade, the Utes own both byu and
Provo and will, forever, be the first "BCS Busters." To the victor go
the spoils...got it? btw...convincing win over a...what
conference are they in?...team today. And you people want a rematch with the
My fault, I forgot USU ended up winning that game, but were close to losing it.
Anyway, I agree with you, both teams are decent. I personally think Utah is a
little bit better, and has a higher ceiling at the moment. They've
recruited a little better recently, although the Cougars are putting together a
solid class this year. But my point was that out-of-character losses are not
reserved for one coach or the other. But I'm going to go out on a limb and
say Virginia won't win another game this year. I thought they may have
turned a slight corner when I saw they had a 22-0 lead today just before
halftime, but they proceeded to give up 35 unanswered points to end the game...
to DUKE. They are bad.
Of course Utah doesn't want a rematch. But take off the blue glasses and
see it for what it is. Why would a bowl game with BYU be a benefit for Utah? It
seems your thinking that BYU deserves mulligans and do overs with each mounting
loss to Utah. You might just want to be happy your team squeeked out a victory
over Houston and move on. I have been asking myself if it's
worth it to keep rooting for my team to win and the rival to lose every game in
order to make a Saturday or week complete all the time. A rematch is
intriguing but both schools deserve more than just each other to validate their
existence don't ya think?
@gdog3finallyWell said. Here is one Cougar fan that totally agrees.
That would be awesome. I would watch
All of you ute fans don't need to get all worked up... I think you are
safe, I don't think you will get matched up with BYU or any other team this
Bowl Season... I predict y'all will be doing the same thing that you did
last year (and what you'll be dooing for years to come).... Watching BYU
win another Bowl game at home or at a friends house(probably this time against
USC)... So take a chill pill and relax.
@gdog... Don't know how much the Bowl pays, but I am guessing that Whit
would prefer BYU and SF to Albuquerque and Wyoming... and certainly he would
prefer it to sitting home again and going to another Holiday Party... Don't
Gdog:"A rematch is intriguing but both schools deserve more than just
each other to validate their existence don't ya think?"Perfectly stated. I think BYU & Utah fans both have the "it's
getting old" feeling about the rivalry. Both programs have different goals
and different approaches, and both deserve to face someone else for their bowl
Of course Utah fans don't want to play BYU again. Playing BYU again gives
BYU another chance to beat Utah this year, and they'd rather take the safe
1-0 record rather than risk a 1-1 record against BYU with the loss coming
against BYU. Since they already beat BYU this year they have little to prove.BYU on the other hand will want to prove that the first game wasn't
the best indicator of who was the better team. Besides, both teams will be at
full strength during a bowl game, barring injuries. Both teams are much improved
from September, and it even possible that Utah is the better team this year (for
pretty much the first time in 3 years Utah actually outranked BYU in some polls,
although the final polls are a better indicator).That being said, I
hope they rematch. I would be foolish to declare that BYU would absolutely win,
but I like BYU's chances in a rematch. When was the last time a team beat
the same team twice in the same season?
Any Ute fan that says they have nothing to prove and don't want to play BYU
again this season are in actuality afraid of losing to BYU on a national
stage."Afraid"?Yes, afraid.Why?Because even though BYU has lost the last 4 games, 3 of those 4 were so
close they weren't decided until the very last play of the game.So if BYU and Utah get re-matched this season then for Utah it's "put
up or shut up" time.Think you'd win, Utah? Prove it.With Spencer Hadley playing, Cougars by 7.
Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl is the sixth tie-in for the PAC12. New Mexico is the
seventh and final tie-in, while Las Vegas is fifth. The PAC-12 has a real good
chance at having ten bowl eligible teams this year. IF he PAC-12 gets two BCS
games that would be eight slots.I am not sure if a 6-6 Utah team
gets one of the tie-ins at this point. I am also not sure that the PAC-12 will
get two BCS bids.Where does Utah stack up?1 Oregon2 Stanford3 UCLA4 Arizona State5 Oregon State6
Washington7 Arizona8 USC9 Utah10 Washington State11 Colorado12 CalUtah would be fortunate to get the Kraft
bid currently. I think it is more likely though that USC, Arizona, Washington
or Washington State will be the Cougars opponent. Utah likely gets the New
Mexico bowl this year if they get to eligibility.
I would love to see this! Make it happen! I'll be there!
It's all talk until Utah actually wins six games and becomes bowl eligible.
With the formidable Colorado and Wash St on the schedule they might pull it
off, but even that's a stretch. I've said all along, Utah has played
their bowl game, and even though it's a bitter pill to swallow knowing my
team lost (no excuses, Utah won), our season is still more about the big picture
than just one game. All the U fans on this column prove how not over BYU you
guys are. You win a HUGE game over Stanford, yet most posters had to say
something about BYU. At the end of this season, a bowl game is still better
than a losing season. BYU is pretty much there, the U still has a lot of work,
and will need some luck along the way.
@ BleedCougarBlue"Think you'd win, Utah? Prove it."Done. (x4)
2ferNot done!You haven't even proven you're
good enough to get to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl to face the Cougars, let alone
beat a vastly improved BYU team.
@BleedCougarBlueThink you'd win, Utah? Prove it.With Spencer Hadley playing, Cougars by 7.-------------Why, is he going to play on the offense? BYU is 0-4, averaging 15 points per
game against Utah.Hadley doesn't play offense, just like Keeton
doesn't play defense.Virgina just lost AGAIN, ask them for a
rematch. Virgina by 3.
They way Utah plays on the road, a bowl game is far from a given. The Arizona
loss was about as dissapointing as they come.
"It's amazing how far beyond BYU I've come. Now I just look at BYU
and think, "nice win, but we have bigger fish to fry."Like
Arizona, right Andy?
As a fan who cheers for both schools. I think it is safe to say that the Fight
Hunger bowl is going to get a california team to fill seats.I think a
rematch would be a great game, but Houston exploited BYU's glaring MAJOR
weakness the offensive line. 8 sacks you aren't going to win a lot of games
with 8 sacks and 14 penalties.Though the Cougs have improves a ton. Utah
would exploit this (like they did in week 3) and cause problems for the Y. To give credit to Houston they are fast. Wow. I love college football and
watch a lot of games, I do not think BYU has played that athletic of a teams
since FSU ( I mean no offense to any other teams).I think if BYU
didn't have Taysom Hill they would be terrible. He can move so the o-line
looks better.It would be interesting, but Utah would exploit the o-line so
it would come down to see if BYU could mask this weakness enough.Just my
This is WAY too early to speculate. Utah is won't even be bowl eligible.
So let's use our energies discussing truly viable opponents for BYU.
@ Two For Flinching - Salt Lake City, UT "@ BleedCougarBlue "Think
you'd win, Utah? Prove it." Done. (x4)"Uhhhh.....I'm talking about the possibility of playing again later this
season. Try to keep up, will you?
@ Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah "@BleedCougarBlue Think you'd
win, Utah? Prove it. With Spencer Hadley playing, Cougars by 7.-------------Why, is he going to play on the offense? BYU is 0-4,
averaging 15 points per game against Utah.Hadley doesn't play
offense....."Yes, you are so very correct to note that Spencer
Hadley does not play on offense. Treat yourelf to a gold star, on me, for your
powers of keen observation.However, Spencer Hadley is a force to be
reckoned with on DEFENSE, a force that would likely cause problems with your
offense. You know, the mighty offense that just failed to score more points
than Arizona's offense, which caused you guys to lose.Again, if
this matchup occurs, let me restate that....if Utah is LUCKY enough for this
matchup to occur this season, it's BYU by 7.You're
@BleedCougarBlueHowever, Spencer Hadley is a force to be reckoned
with on DEFENSE, a force that would likely cause problems with your offense. You
know, the mighty offense that just failed to score more points than
Arizona's offense, which caused you guys to lose.Again, if this
matchup occurs, let me restate that....if Utah is LUCKY enough for this matchup
to occur this season, it's BYU by 7.You're welcome.--------Utah doesn't need a mighty offense to OWN BYU,
we've proven we can beat you without one:2011 #109 offense
(injured QB) 54 @BYU 102012 #105 offense (D2 QB) 24 BYU 21No
need to thank me, your team getting OWNED in it's annual Super Bowl is more
BleedCougarBlue"...if Utah is LUCKY enough for this matchup to
occur this season, it's BYU by 7."If the two teams were
playing this week, it wouldn't even be that close.BYU's
offense has been improving throughout the season.Utah's offense
peaked against Weber St. and has been trending down ever since.
TrueBlueReally, I guess the offense didn't do anything against
Stanford............sheesh. Utah has BYU's number; stats and ranking are
irrealavent, Stop the QB from running, stop BYU. Utah is in BYU's heads.
That's pretty obvious by the head to head results and the way BYU fans are
continuely comparing there team to Utah.
There would be nothing worse than a rematch with BYU, we could beat them ten
times in a row by 50 points and somehow the fans would make the excuse that the
better team lost. It's already happened 4 years in a row.
Spokane UteReally!Utah's offense since scoring 70
points versus Weber StWSU 70 pts, 290 pass, 338 rush, 628 totalOSU 48 pts in OT, 279 pass, 260 rush, 539 totalBYU 20 pts, 260 pass, 183
rush, 443 totalUCLA 27 pts, 288 pass, 99 rush, 387 totalStanford 27
pts, 234 pass, 176 rush, 410 totalArizona 24 pts, 157 pass, 172 rush, 329
totalBreak out a sheet of graph paper and plot each of these points;
then draw a line from the first point to the last:628 - 539 - 443 -
387 - 410 - 329Even you should be able to see that Utah's
offense peaked against Weber St. and has been trending down ever since.
TrueBlueCould it possibly be you picked the weakest team on the
schedule as the starting point? Let's make a graph without Weber St, shall
we? Offensive Pts. 30 48 20 20 27 24Total Offensive Yards 450
539 402 387 415 329It looks pretty linear to me, but go ahead and
get out your paper, pencil and ruler if need be. What a silly comparison.
"Why, is he going to play on the offense? BYU is 0-4, averaging 15 points
per game against Utah.Hadley doesn't play offense, just like
Keeton doesn't play defense.Virgina just lost AGAIN, ask them
for a rematch. Virgina by 3."There's no argument for BYU
beating Utah at this point. However, if you believe Virginia would beat BYU
again you also probably believe the Utes are better than Stanford...
Spokane UteEven if you start with Oregon State, Utah's offense
has still been trending down.Since when is 628 - 539 - 443 - 387 -
410 - 329 linear?Except for a slight up tick versus Stanford,
Utah's total offense has been declining every week since the 2nd game of
TalkinsportsGraph the offensive points and tell me how it looks. The
offensive yards are declining ever so slightly, but the offense certainly
isn't the only problem. Also, what would you expect when Utah played
it's worst game all year last week? Graph Utah's offense, defense or
special teams and it looks like a bumpy roady, and that's exactly what this
season has been.
Spokane UteIf you think that Utah's downward trend in offensive
yards won't eventually affect Utah's offensive points, you're
only fooling yourself. Even at their current rate of point production, the Utes
are in big trouble.Subtracting the interception return versus UCLA,
Utah's offense has averaged 22.75 points per game in Utah's last four
games.That's not going to cut it against teams that are
averaging 25.4, 45.4, 57.6, 30.9, and 28.0 ppg.
Spokane Ute"The offensive yards are declining ever so
slightly..."Seriously, I don't know where you learned to do
math, but a decline from 628 yards to 329 yards is NOT a "slight"
Again, take Weber State out of the equation. There is NO comparison to Weber
State vs. Oregon State vs. BYU vs. Stanford, etc. I can't make it any
clearer. Utah's loses are due to all phases: Offense, Defense, Special
Teams (i.e. two missed FGs ve Arizona). I stand by that position. If you think
otherwise, we can agree to disagree. have a good day!
I like the thought of BYU vs. either USC or Oregon State in San Francisco. A
Utah in-state rivalry which few people outside Utah even care about, playing a
bowl game in California does not seem very lucrative.I don't like the
thought of Utah vs. Wyoming in any bowl game. That is too much of a kick back
to the old MWC and WAC days. If Utah is destined to go to the NM Bowl, I hope
the NM Bowl decision makers can find a better opponent.If the Utah vs. BYU
rivalry was to eventually run out of gas, which it could with different
conference affiliations and very many 3-year hiatus', I wonder who the new
arch rivals for both schools would be? I think most fans want an arch rival for