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A BYU-Utah rematch in the postseason? Fight Hunger Bowl executive director doesn't rule it out

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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    "I have tremendous respect for head coach Kyle Whittingham and athletic director Chris Hill," Cavalli said. "On the other side, BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe is an old friend of mine. So we have strong connections to both schools."

    Having respect for a program is not the same as having a connection to that program. I hope Utah and BYU don't play each other in a bowl. There's absolutely no benefit for the Utes. Playing Wyoming in Albuquerque doesn't sound much better though....

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    The rivalry only hurts both schools. A loss by either seriously hurts the loser's season while a win doesn't bring much notice from the rest of the country. The rivalry should just go away, it's only breeding in-state ill will. A both rematch would just compound the irrelevancy of it all; please don't do this.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    Two for flinching
    I would believe that the bowl game has a ton of respect for BYU or else they would not have signed a contract with them.
    The benefit for the Utes and Cougs is they get to play in a bowl, and get 3 more weeks of practice.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    If any team goes to the Kraft Hunger Bowl, then I would say the season was not a success at all for either team.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    It's time for the Pac-12 and Big10 to take over the Kraft Hunger Bowl and make it an event teams will aspire to play for. Right now it's a joke and byu owns it. The Utes will have to win three more games to avoid that debacle.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    It would be fun, but hopefully not because that would mean we only win 2 more more games. I'm hoping to win all but Oregon!! Also, BYU is a been there, done that game.

    It's amazing how far beyond BYU I've come. Now I just look at BYU and think, "nice win, but we have bigger fish to fry."

    GO UTES!!

  • Smart Aleck Vancouver, WA
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    The big question is how many Utah fans would travel to SF to attend the game if the Utes were invited? Everyone knows bowl games are all about money, so the bowl committee will invite the PAC-12 team most likely to fill seats and bring in TV ratings. Without a big national following (like USC), they'd pass on the Utes.

    Cougar fans will show up no matter who they play, so the big question is how enthusiastic would Utah fans be for a rematch? The Utes have more to lose in such a matchup than they have to gain. I see the bowl committee picking USC or Oregon State as BYU's opponent, and the Utes going to the New Mexico Bowl to face Wyoming, which is better than going to the Potato Bowl in Boise in December!

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    Every game that BYU and Utah have plaid, with few exceptions have been great games. They usually come down to the last play of the game or over time. The winning margins by both teams amount to no more than a lucky toss of the Dice. This is a rich rivalry, one of the best in the country, and I for one would like to see them play at the end of the season rather than at the start. If they do that, this Bowl game will be a barn burner. Both Utah and BYU will have seasoned Quarterbacks, and each team will have both sides of the ball solid and their rosters healthy. This has the makings of being one of, if not the strongest Bowl game of this season. You who say don't do it I would bet are Utah fans. The players themselves want to play this game. None of the players on these two teams want to play a meaningless bowl game, which is exactly what they would be doing if they are offered this opportunity to play each other again and turn it down. Neither of these two teams will be offered anything better.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Oh no. I don't think I could take another loss to Utah. Twice in one year would be unbearable. I'm just hoping that BYU can get their offense fixed so that they can become bowl eligible. They should be 6-0 right now, but lost to two teams who came better prepared to the game. Getting through each game, one at a time, needs to be a priority. Worry about the Hunger Bowl later.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:48 p.m.

    I would love to see those 2 teams play again. With Taysom Hill's vastly improved passing, there's not much doubt BYU would beat in a rematch. Utah's fans know that too. Consequently, they don't want to have a rematch. But it would be nice to quiet the most obnoxious of Utah's fans who became even more so after their last game..

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    It would just be another loss for the Cougars. Unfortunately, Sitake and Whitingham have out coached Mendenhall and Anae for the past 4 years.

  • UteExpat New York, NY
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    Ugh. I think most of us (Ute fans) are done with BYU for a while and wouldn't be too excited for a rematch. I would really rather see the Utes play any other quality opponent. But let's not get ahead of ourselves; the Utes have a lot of work to do before becoming bowl eligible and that status is very much up in the air.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    Tators, you're a funny man. Why in the world would Utah be scared to play BYU when they own, as on the field, them. Losing 9 of 12 is not going to lead Utah to fear your team in the least (the Utes have beat them time and time again). I say bring it on, beating BYU twice in a year would be fun to watch and a fitting parting gift for the next two years.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    @ Pipes:

    3 of the 4 games you referenced went down to the last play of the game. Most smart Ute fans realize that their current streak is on borrowed time, so will come up with all kinds of excuses in wanting to avoid a rematch. They know BYU blew out their last 3 opponents and saw what they did to Georgia Tech.

    If I was a Ute fan (heaven forbid) I'd act all nonchalant about a rematch that I knew probably wouldn't go my way. BYU has improved significantly since their Utah game. I don't blame Ute fans for wanting to avoid a rematch. It's human nature to cover up and make excuses when scared.

  • DontMUSSwUtah SLC, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    Tators-

    I wouldn't mind seeing the Utes beating your sorry team one last time before the hiatus. Then the only excuse we would all have to hear from you is "If only they would have played the 9th game of the season, BYU definitely would have won...". It is honestly sickening how some BYU fans and certain media members can't outright admit that Utah is (and has been for most of the time for the past 15 or 20 years) the better football program.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch. It would certainly be more interesting than playing Wyoming. It would give the 0-4 club a chance at redemption and the Utes another shot at further shaming the BYU players who would depart 0-5. I'd bet $50 that within a week of a second Utah win, there would be BYU fans on these boards piling binders of analysis of how the Y is still the better team despite never proving it where it really counts, on the field.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    @Tators and others wanting the rematch
    BYU had just as much time to prepare as Utah did, and they didn't get the job done. They promised and didn't deliver. They were slow. They had a stupid game plan. They were lazy and un-focused. I love my Cougars, but when they play Utah, they just don't get ready to play - BEFORE the game. I cry U-N-C-L-E. Let's move on.

  • 81Ute The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    @RSLfanalways
    BYU has no other option that is the bowl game that they have a contract into. Now cougs don't get all riled, every team can play in the BCS/Championship game. Not this year for the Cougs 2 losses already to very poor teams, right? I mean we all know how Utah got lucky again.

  • LoveTheKittens The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    @Tators
    I doubt borrowed time is the correct term. I think this run is more like the 1920's, 1930's, and 1940's. However, you are correct the Cougs are much better than the team that went to UVA. I realize that BYU is the only program in the country that is getting better as the season goes on but they still would be lacking.

  • rapaz11 Sitka, AK
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:55 p.m.

    @ tators

    Why would we want a rematch? We have nothing else to prove. BYU, on the other hand would have nothing to lose since they have already done plenty of that against Utah the past few years. And no, we didn't see or care what BYU did to Georgia Tech. We were watching a much bigger game.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    Four years.

    Five losses.

    Lol

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    Well the Utes beat Provo 3 times last year, might as well beat them twice this year. Same results, just different date and venue.... the gap has widened, it's just not going to happen for the blue team.

  • Cougars17 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    Oh come on just let this happen. It would be great to let kyle van noy and the rest of the byu seniors get one last chance to beat the utes in their last ever game as cougars. Besides, wouldn't it be great for both teams to get a rivalry win in one season?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    Do It! We would totally kill utah this time. This time
    we would get hundreds of yards passing, running and throwing.
    I bet we would win by about 30 points this time.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    Yawn. There is nothing worse than two teams that have already played playing again in a bowl game -- especially if they are from the same part of the country. Bowl games are supposed to come up with interesting and unusual match ups.

    ALSO, it is very unfair to the team that won. What do they have to gain? Absolutely nothing. The loser has everything to gain. This would be a dream for BYU, but a slap in the face for Utah.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:41 p.m.

    Utah can't win bt playing BYU. Even when they beat them they aren't the better team, at least according to the BYU fans who frequent these boards.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    Pipes, yes it would be fun for BYU to play Utah again in a Bowl game. But, Anae left BYU i 2010 and could have been dominated by Whit and Sitake in the past four years. But, it sure would be great to Play Utah in the Fight Hunger Bowl.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    The ONLY reason I want utah to be bowl eligible is to match up with BYU in December. Maybe we could re-name it the Bo Diddley Tech Bowl just for this game.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    if byu is so irrelevant as most of you claim then why is it that you keep posting on a byu thread ,i wony name names but you know who you are.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    The Utes can't beat BYU in a rematch; they know it, and so does everybody else.

  • TamaBYU Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    If they play again, I think that BYU would lose again. For some reason they choke when it comes to the Utes. But lets hope we win the rest of our games first.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    Naturally BYU fans want this. They can lose again and say:

    "Been There, Done That, Got The "0-Fer" T-Shirt!"

  • catanimuss Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    "The Utes can't beat BYU in a rematch; they know it, and so does everybody else."

    messingaround:

    Wait, didn't Y fans say that last year, and the year before, and the year before that, and . . . .?

  • MarkA Logan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    Why don't they just play each other every week? Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:56 p.m.

    Right now ESPN predicts the New Mexico Bowl. Ironic but I am hoping we at least make the Las Vegas Bowl. It would be nice to get a chance to play Boise State.

    VIZIO BCS National Championship Game (Jan. 6, 2014): Oregon vs. BCS
    Rose Bowl Game Presented by VIZIO (Jan. 1, 2014): Stanford vs. Big Ten
    Valero Alamo Bowl (Dec. 30): UCLA vs. Big 12
    National University Holiday Bowl (Dec. 30): Washington vs. Big 12
    Hyundai Sun Bowl (Dec. 31): Arizona State vs. ACC
    Las Vegas Bowl (Dec. 21): Oregon State vs. MWC
    Fight Hunger Bowl (Dec. 27): USC vs. BYU
    Gildan New Mexico Bowl (Dec. 21): Utah vs. MWC
    New Era Pinstripe Bowl (Dec. 28): Arizona vs. American
    Heart of Dallas Bowl (Jan. 1, 2014): Washington State vs. Conference USA

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    BYU is still the best team in the state; if the Utes want to prove otherwise, they're going to have to beat BYU in bowl game.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    No. Bowl games are fun, because more than likely you play a team you have never played before. Or not for several years. It has a different meaning other than non-conference games.
    Yeah there are rematches that happen in the BCS bowls, but something is one the line for both teams.

    BYU should play someone else, and Utah should play someone else, if both are options for the Kraft Obesity Bowl.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:16 p.m.

    Y>U
    Anaheim, CA said:

    "BYU is still the best team in the state; if the Utes want to prove otherwise, they're going to have to beat BYU in bowl game."

    LOL! How many lines in the sand are you going to draw? BYU lost again to Utah, get over it.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 12:03 a.m.

    Considering the razor-thin wins over the Cougars the past 2 times they've played, It's understandable why some Ute fans would be nervous, or even a bit scared to give them another shot. I would be too if I was a Ute fan. USA Today even has BYU currently ranked as the better team.

    It makes sense to act nonchalant about dissing a rematch with BYU, and then hold out hope for a good, but lesser ranked team.

    It's humorous to read some of the hauty attitude comments of some Ute fans, knowing that many of them actually comment as much or sometimes even more on BYU articles than they do on Ute articles. They also comment much more on their games with BYU than on any other games of their season. It then makes you look silly to say that playing BYU would be irrelevant to you. Actions speak louder than words.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:56 a.m.

    Reading these comments have been great entertainment...

    The ute fans are all against the match up and the Coug fans are mostly for it... The Coug fans know they would be in much better position than the utes come December and it is clear that the ute fans are also thinking that...

    I would love the match up... I would be in SF for sure on 12/27 if that were to occurbecause I am confident it would put a muzzle on the utes for 3 years...

    Unfortunately, I don't think that it's going to happen because it will require the utes to beat 2 teams between now and the end of the season.... And I think they will only get one more "W" (which is 2 more than I thought they would get at the beginning of the season...).

    Nope, my projection sheet has USC-BYU and the utes home for Pizza and Trophies at their team banquet at Round Table... For what it's worth I think Wilson deserves "Most Improved" and young Whittingham deserves "most inspirational"... But they will need to wrap the event up early so that everyone can get home and watch the game.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:18 a.m.

    Great representation on this thread by fans of a team that doesn't care... Ironic that Utah fans would be more satisfied with the New Mexico bowl than the possibility of a rematch.

    Okay, so really, I do get it. More to lose than to gain, but most of us can see the turmoil between the lines: "it IS a chance to beat our hated, little brother non-rival whom we have so moved past twice in one year!!! But a loss would be unbearable. Oh the angst""

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    There are so many fans that still think BYU is the better team. So, playing on the field does not mean anything. We should end the the rivalry games and just vote and take opinions for the state's bragging rights.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    It's funny observing how Ute fans cope with their never ending saga of PAC10.2 'lesser' bowl opportunities.

    Desperately wanting a national stage, a bowl game and having the Kraft Fight Hunger and Las Vegas Bowls as their ultimate 'booby' prize... at best.

    Always a great thing for the Utes to be in a bowl game... for BYU... not so much, according to Ute fans. LOL

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    So beating them in Provo wasn't proof enough? LOL! Coug logic at its finest.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Y>U

    "BYU is still the best team in the state; if the Utes want to prove otherwise, they're going to have to beat BYU in bowl game."

    Board with independence already? Just wait until the 2014 schedule Holmoe has in store becomes a focus point for the byu collective.

    As for the byu / Utah series...4 of 4 and 9 of 12 is proof enough. Clearly, U>y

    LOL!!!!!

  • Highcountry Ghost Herriman, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    So let me see if I understand the BYU fans commenting on this article.

    *BYU players announce they are coming back, because they have unfinished business.
    *BYU schedules a bye right before they play Utah, giving them 2 weeks to prepare.
    *BYU players talk over and over about the Utah game at their media day.
    *BYU players call the Utah game their SUPERBOWL!!!!

    BYU still loses, and now.......

    *BYU is the only team in the country that improves over the season.
    *BYU offense is now unstoppable after playing USU, G.T, and wait for it Middle tenn, beauty school.
    *BYU always losses to Utah because they don't play well against Utah, they can't get up for the game, Utah always plays their best game against BYU.

    The truth is Utah is the better team, has the better players, coaches, and despite the annual beat down of BYU has yet to win 9 of 12, 4 in a row. Why would Utah or their fans want to play BYU in a bowl game?

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Cougar fans ask yourself this question. Do you really want to be facing five loses in a row with three more years to go? Perhaps you should be careful what you wish for. It seems that you just can not admit the the Utes own you. I see comments where you claim you have the best team and yet your record against Utah says otherwise. Make any excuse you want but the fact is Utah owns you and has for quite some time.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    The delusions of grandeur in this thread are (almost) unbelievable.

    Utah is a better team than BYU. That much was obvious after watching the head-to-head match up this season. There is absolutely no need for a re-match, especially considering that no matter what happens Utah doesn't gain anything. Let it go Cougars. It's over, and you lost.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Cougar fans are hilarious. Yeah, Ute fans are so-o-o scared of BYU, and THAT'S why we wouldn't want to play BYU again this year. LOL. 4 in a row, 9 out of 12 has us shakin' in our boots.
    The truth is if Utah wanted to make sure we got a bowl WIN, then we'd be pulling for the rematch. But what we really want is simply a different opponent. That being said, if it's a MTN West team like Wyoming in the New Mexico Bowl then yes, I'd rather play BYU again. But if it were Boise St in the Las Vegas bowl, I'd way rather play that game than a rematch with a team Utah already proved it was better than.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    poyman

    Re: "I would be in SF for sure on 12/27 if that were to occur because I am confident it would put a muzzle on the utes for 3 years."

    Kinda like the muzzle it didn't put on the cougars despite it being your 4th loss in a row?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    To all ute fans:
    It's true, Utah has owned BYU the last few years. I honestly can't explain it and if Utah fans were willing to be unbiased they would recognize that these programs are evenly matched. BYU has had big wins against big time opponents....BYU has won as many MWC championships in the last 15 yrs as Utah has. BYU has more top 25 finishes than Utah the last 15 years. Trying to beat your chests that you are the better program because you've had BYUs number just doesn't jive with all the other evidence. Like it or not when it comes to wins and losses, records, championships, BYU and Utah are very close over the last 10-15 yrs. BYU may not have a victory over Alabama in that time, but they also don't have losses to horrible teams like UNLV and Colorado.

    I don't want to play Utah again either because it does nothing for BYU. Beating USC is bigger, even if it's a down year for the Trojans. Let Utah look forward to "proving something" against Wyoming. LOL

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Anybody that wouldn't want to see this game is nuts. Except for a couple of cases these games have been riveting.

    I mean I'd rather see Utah play Wyoming or BYU play Oregon State? Or a bunch of other bowl games where one team goes to the competition disinterested. Besides the BCS championship game and maybe the Rose Bowl, this probably would be the best bowl game because there would be two teams playing that actually would be motivated to win.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    It's funny observing how Ute fans cope with their never ending saga of PAC10.2 'lesser' bowl opportunities.

    Desperately wanting a national stage, a bowl game and having the Kraft Fight Hunger and Las Vegas Bowls as their ultimate 'booby' prize... at best.

    Always a great thing for the Utes to be in a bowl game... for BYU... not so much, according to Ute fans. LOL

    ________

    LOL! BYU fans already deal with a never ending saga of lesser bowl opportunities.
    Desperately wanting a national stage. Your team signs up for them a couple of years in advance! Now that is funny!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    Highcountry Ghost

    "So let me see if I understand the BYU fans commenting on this article.

    *BYU players announce they are coming back, because they have unfinished business.
    *BYU schedules a bye right before they play Utah, giving them 2 weeks to prepare.
    *BYU players talk over and over about the Utah game at their media day.
    *BYU players call the Utah game their SUPERBOWL!!!!"

    Yep...that pretty much sums it up except for three items you failed to mention from this year:
    1. The Utes prevailed again this year at LES (the Utes own byu AND Provo)
    2. KVN had "unfinished business"
    3. byu was sporting their magic uniforms

    byu stacked the deck every way imaginable and STILL couldn't get it done. And now they want a re-match?? LOL!!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Scared Utah fans with their false bravado are hilarious. There isn't a team on the planet the Utes would rather beat, but they're so scared of losing a rematch to their big brothers, that they have to make up excuses to excuse their cowardice.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    What's that old adage about the definition of insanity?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    sammyg

    "It's funny observing how Ute fans cope with their never ending saga of PAC10.2 'lesser' bowl opportunities.

    Desperately wanting a national stage, a bowl game and having the Kraft Fight Hunger and Las Vegas Bowls as their ultimate 'booby' prize... at best."

    Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl and Vegas Bowls is a far cry from a BCS game, and frankly disappointing for the Utes. Look at it this way, Sammy, the BCS era has come and gone and byu is thrilled to have the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Now, that speaks volumes!

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    A dream for BYU . . . a nightmare for Utah.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    @ TrueBlue

    I can think of 11 off the top of my head....

    It's hilarious you accuse Ute fans of being scared. Scared of what? Winning 5 in a row and 10 of the last 13? Yeah, terrifying. This is a new level of "sad", even for BYU fans.

  • razorback South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    Chris B - you've got to be loving your BCS membership. It is elevating your team to a re-match with BYU in a bowl game or better yet, a fan preferred match-up with Wyoming in the New Mexico bowl. Get used to it.

    The goal is the Rose Bowl (forget the BCS). Here's a list of last appearances:

    Arizona - joined in 1978, 35 years and no roses
    California - 1959
    Oregon State - 1965
    Arizona State - 1997
    UCLA - 1999
    Washington - 2001
    Washington State - 2003

    Utah - 2040 something?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    MUSSing with U
    Baltimore, MD

    The Utes can't beat BYU in a rematch; they know it, and so does everybody else.

    ----------

    What Cougar Nation and Kevin Van Noy know is that Utah has already swept team in their annual Super Bowl.

    Why do BYU fans insist on embarrassing Kevin Van Noy and company one last time?

    Kevin Van Noy will be the all time loser 0-5 in the rivalry history. Why do BYU fans want that "legacy" for their star player?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    TrueBlue
    "There isn't a team on the planet the Utes would rather beat, but they're so scared of losing a rematch to their big brothers, that they have to make up excuses to excuse their cowardice."

    When you say..."there isn't a on the planet the Utes would rather beat..." I'm guessing you are referring to byu. If that is correct, allow me to respond...

    There are 11 teams (plus every team scheduled) on the planet that the Utes would rather play and beat than byu. Your challenge is to realize that there are teams, besides Utah, that byu could play. The fixation that the byu collective has with Utah is truly astonishing. Move along.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs, come on. You're typically one of the more rational of the blue bunch. I'd say the 2010 Utah State loss and this year's UVa loss were every bit as bad as UNLV or Colorado. Yes, BYU would be a much more intriguing matchup than Wyoming or an injury-riddled Utah State. But not as much as a good Fresno or Boise team. Of course both of those would not be as great as a good Big XII or ACC team in the Alamo, Holiday or Sun Bowls, so hopefully Utah can 1)win the two necessary games for eligibility, and 2)win some more and intriguingly enough to make one of the bigger bowl games.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    @True Blue

    "There isn't a team on the planet the Utes would rather beat"...?

    Can't speak for others, but I can think of quite a few, including Oregon, which is upcoming. Honest pardner, after winning four in a row, it just isn't that big of a deal.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    fender

    Don't kid yourself.

    When was the last time a Utah fan cited on these blogs Utah's record versus Oregon?

    Every Utah fan can cite Utah's record versus BYU for the last 12 years.

    Most Utah fans couldn't even cite the last time Utah played Oregon, let alone beat the Ducks.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    That would be a great re-match. BYU had a touchdown called back after a kickoff where very few people saw a block. BYU vs Utah had PAC 12 refs that were pretty incompetent giving a game to ASU over Wisconsin plus not calling an obvious knockdown of a BYU receiver at the end of the game. The past four years of Utah domination hasn't been fun for Cougar fans or team. I think right now BYU would defeat Utah but that needs to be decided on the field. Wittingham seems to get excellence out of his team when they play BYU so they shouldn't be afraid of a rematch.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    It would be an insult and a letdown for the Utes. I would rather see them play anybody else, anywhere else. Optimistic that the Utes will qualify for a much better bowl anyway. Go Utes!

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    To all BYU haters!
    Utah is still two wins away from being elegible to go to a bowl with no gimmies left on the schedule! A great win over Stanford and even the experts are not convinced you will even come close to winning the south and going to a better bowl!!! I hope for both teams that they get to face others teams but I have a feeling that if they meet again the outcome will be different this time around!!!

    Go BYU!!!
    Go UA!!!

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    I graduated from BYU and I grew up in Utah. I am a fan of both schools but I am amazed by BYU fans calling Utah "little brother" Are they that detached from reality? Apparently so. What is it about 13 out of the last 20 and 4 of the last 4 that they do not understand? Yet they beat their chests and claim to be the better team and better program (insert crickets here)

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    trueblue- you can always cite your numbers against your rivals, or facts about them. I'm sure if the Y was winning against the U, you guys would be thumping your chests and spouting about it as well. I don't know the series w/l against Oregon. I do know that the last time we beat them was 03 and we lost up there in 09 in a close game. Can you tell me without Googling what the Y series is against a random team? I doubt it.
    I know the Yankees have won 27 rings and Boston has only 7, other than that I could care less how many other teams have.
    If we end up matched up in a bowl game, so be it. I'm sure the outcome will be to my liking. I would rather end up in a better bowl, but a couple close losses to good teams this year, may make that difficult. Please realize that we have moved on. We don't live and die with what you guys do every week. Your fascination with our schedule is weird, but that's your deal.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    Re:"When was the last time a Utah fan cited on these blogs Utah's record versus Oregon?"

    You realize that Oregon fans aren't on these threads talking smack right? That would answer your question.

    Don't kid yourself, Utah fans will bask in a win over fifth ranked Stanford just as we relish the opportunity to play second ranked Oregon, and we do both long before caring about playing or beating BYU. We'll continue to RESPOND to the crazy rantings of BYU fans but don't confuse that with WORRYING about BYU or its fans.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    To all Utah haters!
    This contest has been decided seven time in the last four years. The truth has been exposed and there is nothing left to learn. You people tell us the entire country wants to play byu. Great! Go find someone else to obsess over. Just find someone else to fixate on...Boise St perhaps?? How about Virginia...there's a challenge for you. How about whoever byu played today?

    The Utes have far more important programs to deal with. Run along...

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    MyPerspective:
    "The Utes have far more important programs to deal with. Run along..."
    I usually appreciate your insight but c'mon man. Isn't it a little of a dichotomy when you tell BYU fans to run along because U have more important programs to deal with? If U don't care and have more important programs you care about, why are U on here talking to BYU fans? Are UA fans not listening to U or something? Hmm

    If Utah was actually a big time program and was in contention in the PAC12 they probably would move on...the fact your struggling for bowl eligibility is exactly why you can't move past "lowly" BYU. I think Utah fans should be happy about going to a bowl regardless who it's against. Don't complain to us when your in a pre-Christmas bowl playing powerhouse Wyoming because you've "moved on".

    StGSLC:
    No I don't think you can compare USU and UVA with UNLV & Colorado....look at the records and how bad those programs were at the time of the games. Usu & UVA weren't 10 loss teams.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs, USU was in an awful WAC in 2010, was destroyed by teams like 5-7 La Tech, 6-7 Idaho, and 2-10 New Mexico State. They were awful. And they destroyed BYU. Virginia has a win over VMI in addition to their opening win over BYU. With Georgia Tech, #3 Clemson, North Carolina, #10 Miami and #19 Va Tech, who are they going to beat to avoid an 11 loss, let alone a 10 loss season?

  • fender Washington, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    U fans are on here blogging, because the article is about BYU/Utah and a possible bowl matchup. I don't think a rematch is that interesting, just as it wouldn't be for BYU fans, if BYU had won the last 4.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    StGSLC:
    Utah state was 4-8 in 2010 and didn't lose to New Mexico State...not sure where you got that from. Remember Utah's best team of all time barely beat a 4-8 New Mexico team by a FG in 2008 (to say nothing of their underwhelming 2 TD win over Weber). As for Virginia who knows what they will do when it's all said and done. They should have beaten Maryland on the road, and they're good enough to still win a couple. But ya, that was an inexcusable loss for BYU.

    My point is, Utah and BYU are both good programs, not great programs, and they are a lot closer programs than a lot of arrogant Utah fans want to admit. I don't include you, or Spokane ute, or Vegas ute, etc because I think while you guys will go to bat for your team, you're also reasonable most of the time. I think it's great that both BYU and Utah are decent programs...makes for fun Saturdays. I don't think one program is superior to the other, and their records & championships bare that out over the last 15 yrs.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    ThomasJefferson

    "Until Utah wins a NC, they will be "little brothers!" Got it!"

    Nope! The only people impressed with byu's 30 year old accomplishment is byu fans. Until byu merits an invitation to an elite conference, Utah is the big brother in these parts. The BCS era has come left byu behind. As of this decade, the Utes own both byu and Provo and will, forever, be the first "BCS Busters." To the victor go the spoils...got it?

    btw...convincing win over a...what conference are they in?...team today. And you people want a rematch with the Utes? LOL!!!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    My fault, I forgot USU ended up winning that game, but were close to losing it. Anyway, I agree with you, both teams are decent. I personally think Utah is a little bit better, and has a higher ceiling at the moment. They've recruited a little better recently, although the Cougars are putting together a solid class this year. But my point was that out-of-character losses are not reserved for one coach or the other. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say Virginia won't win another game this year. I thought they may have turned a slight corner when I saw they had a 22-0 lead today just before halftime, but they proceeded to give up 35 unanswered points to end the game... to DUKE. They are bad.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    Of course Utah doesn't want a rematch. But take off the blue glasses and see it for what it is. Why would a bowl game with BYU be a benefit for Utah? It seems your thinking that BYU deserves mulligans and do overs with each mounting loss to Utah. You might just want to be happy your team squeeked out a victory over Houston and move on.

    I have been asking myself if it's worth it to keep rooting for my team to win and the rival to lose every game in order to make a Saturday or week complete all the time.

    A rematch is intriguing but both schools deserve more than just each other to validate their existence don't ya think?

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    @gdog3finally

    Well said. Here is one Cougar fan that totally agrees.

  • Danny T Minneapolis, MN
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    That would be awesome. I would watch

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    All of you ute fans don't need to get all worked up... I think you are safe, I don't think you will get matched up with BYU or any other team this Bowl Season... I predict y'all will be doing the same thing that you did last year (and what you'll be dooing for years to come).... Watching BYU win another Bowl game at home or at a friends house(probably this time against USC)... So take a chill pill and relax.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    @gdog... Don't know how much the Bowl pays, but I am guessing that Whit would prefer BYU and SF to Albuquerque and Wyoming... and certainly he would prefer it to sitting home again and going to another Holiday Party... Don't you think?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    Gdog:
    "A rematch is intriguing but both schools deserve more than just each other to validate their existence don't ya think?"

    Perfectly stated. I think BYU & Utah fans both have the "it's getting old" feeling about the rivalry. Both programs have different goals and different approaches, and both deserve to face someone else for their bowl game.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    Of course Utah fans don't want to play BYU again. Playing BYU again gives BYU another chance to beat Utah this year, and they'd rather take the safe 1-0 record rather than risk a 1-1 record against BYU with the loss coming against BYU. Since they already beat BYU this year they have little to prove.

    BYU on the other hand will want to prove that the first game wasn't the best indicator of who was the better team. Besides, both teams will be at full strength during a bowl game, barring injuries. Both teams are much improved from September, and it even possible that Utah is the better team this year (for pretty much the first time in 3 years Utah actually outranked BYU in some polls, although the final polls are a better indicator).

    That being said, I hope they rematch. I would be foolish to declare that BYU would absolutely win, but I like BYU's chances in a rematch. When was the last time a team beat the same team twice in the same season?

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    Any Ute fan that says they have nothing to prove and don't want to play BYU again this season are in actuality afraid of losing to BYU on a national stage.

    "Afraid"?

    Yes, afraid.

    Why?

    Because even though BYU has lost the last 4 games, 3 of those 4 were so close they weren't decided until the very last play of the game.

    So if BYU and Utah get re-matched this season then for Utah it's "put up or shut up" time.

    Think you'd win, Utah? Prove it.

    With Spencer Hadley playing, Cougars by 7.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl is the sixth tie-in for the PAC12. New Mexico is the seventh and final tie-in, while Las Vegas is fifth. The PAC-12 has a real good chance at having ten bowl eligible teams this year. IF he PAC-12 gets two BCS games that would be eight slots.

    I am not sure if a 6-6 Utah team gets one of the tie-ins at this point. I am also not sure that the PAC-12 will get two BCS bids.

    Where does Utah stack up?

    1 Oregon
    2 Stanford
    3 UCLA
    4 Arizona State
    5 Oregon State
    6 Washington
    7 Arizona
    8 USC
    9 Utah
    10 Washington State
    11 Colorado
    12 Cal

    Utah would be fortunate to get the Kraft bid currently. I think it is more likely though that USC, Arizona, Washington or Washington State will be the Cougars opponent. Utah likely gets the New Mexico bowl this year if they get to eligibility.

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    I would love to see this! Make it happen! I'll be there!

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    It's all talk until Utah actually wins six games and becomes bowl eligible. With the formidable Colorado and Wash St on the schedule they might pull it off, but even that's a stretch. I've said all along, Utah has played their bowl game, and even though it's a bitter pill to swallow knowing my team lost (no excuses, Utah won), our season is still more about the big picture than just one game. All the U fans on this column prove how not over BYU you guys are. You win a HUGE game over Stanford, yet most posters had to say something about BYU. At the end of this season, a bowl game is still better than a losing season. BYU is pretty much there, the U still has a lot of work, and will need some luck along the way.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    @ BleedCougarBlue

    "Think you'd win, Utah? Prove it."

    Done. (x4)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:25 a.m.

    2fer

    Not done!

    You haven't even proven you're good enough to get to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl to face the Cougars, let alone beat a vastly improved BYU team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 21, 2013 1:04 a.m.

    @BleedCougarBlue

    Think you'd win, Utah? Prove it.

    With Spencer Hadley playing, Cougars by 7.

    -------------

    Why, is he going to play on the offense? BYU is 0-4, averaging 15 points per game against Utah.

    Hadley doesn't play offense, just like Keeton doesn't play defense.

    Virgina just lost AGAIN, ask them for a rematch. Virgina by 3.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    They way Utah plays on the road, a bowl game is far from a given. The Arizona loss was about as dissapointing as they come.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    "It's amazing how far beyond BYU I've come. Now I just look at BYU and think, "nice win, but we have bigger fish to fry."

    Like Arizona, right Andy?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    As a fan who cheers for both schools. I think it is safe to say that the Fight Hunger bowl is going to get a california team to fill seats.
    I think a rematch would be a great game, but Houston exploited BYU's glaring MAJOR weakness the offensive line. 8 sacks you aren't going to win a lot of games with 8 sacks and 14 penalties.
    Though the Cougs have improves a ton. Utah would exploit this (like they did in week 3) and cause problems for the Y.
    To give credit to Houston they are fast. Wow. I love college football and watch a lot of games, I do not think BYU has played that athletic of a teams since FSU ( I mean no offense to any other teams).
    I think if BYU didn't have Taysom Hill they would be terrible. He can move so the o-line looks better.
    It would be interesting, but Utah would exploit the o-line so it would come down to see if BYU could mask this weakness enough.
    Just my opinion though.

  • cougarsare1 Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 21, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    This is WAY too early to speculate. Utah is won't even be bowl eligible. So let's use our energies discussing truly viable opponents for BYU.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    @ Two For Flinching - Salt Lake City, UT "@ BleedCougarBlue "Think you'd win, Utah? Prove it." Done. (x4)"

    Uhhhh.....I'm talking about the possibility of playing again later this season. Try to keep up, will you?

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    @ Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah "@BleedCougarBlue Think you'd win, Utah? Prove it. With Spencer Hadley playing, Cougars by 7.

    -------------

    Why, is he going to play on the offense? BYU is 0-4, averaging 15 points per game against Utah.

    Hadley doesn't play offense....."

    Yes, you are so very correct to note that Spencer Hadley does not play on offense. Treat yourelf to a gold star, on me, for your powers of keen observation.

    However, Spencer Hadley is a force to be reckoned with on DEFENSE, a force that would likely cause problems with your offense. You know, the mighty offense that just failed to score more points than Arizona's offense, which caused you guys to lose.

    Again, if this matchup occurs, let me restate that....if Utah is LUCKY enough for this matchup to occur this season, it's BYU by 7.

    You're welcome.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    @BleedCougarBlue

    However, Spencer Hadley is a force to be reckoned with on DEFENSE, a force that would likely cause problems with your offense. You know, the mighty offense that just failed to score more points than Arizona's offense, which caused you guys to lose.

    Again, if this matchup occurs, let me restate that....if Utah is LUCKY enough for this matchup to occur this season, it's BYU by 7.

    You're welcome.

    --------

    Utah doesn't need a mighty offense to OWN BYU, we've proven we can beat you without one:

    2011 #109 offense (injured QB) 54 @BYU 10
    2012 #105 offense (D2 QB) 24 BYU 21

    No need to thank me, your team getting OWNED in it's annual Super Bowl is more than enough.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    BleedCougarBlue

    "...if Utah is LUCKY enough for this matchup to occur this season, it's BYU by 7."

    If the two teams were playing this week, it wouldn't even be that close.

    BYU's offense has been improving throughout the season.

    Utah's offense peaked against Weber St. and has been trending down ever since.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    TrueBlue

    Really, I guess the offense didn't do anything against Stanford............sheesh. Utah has BYU's number; stats and ranking are irrealavent, Stop the QB from running, stop BYU. Utah is in BYU's heads. That's pretty obvious by the head to head results and the way BYU fans are continuely comparing there team to Utah.

  • steeleute Sandy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    There would be nothing worse than a rematch with BYU, we could beat them ten times in a row by 50 points and somehow the fans would make the excuse that the better team lost. It's already happened 4 years in a row.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Really!

    Utah's offense since scoring 70 points versus Weber St

    WSU 70 pts, 290 pass, 338 rush, 628 total
    OSU 48 pts in OT, 279 pass, 260 rush, 539 total
    BYU 20 pts, 260 pass, 183 rush, 443 total
    UCLA 27 pts, 288 pass, 99 rush, 387 total
    Stanford 27 pts, 234 pass, 176 rush, 410 total
    Arizona 24 pts, 157 pass, 172 rush, 329 total

    Break out a sheet of graph paper and plot each of these points; then draw a line from the first point to the last:

    628 - 539 - 443 - 387 - 410 - 329

    Even you should be able to see that Utah's offense peaked against Weber St. and has been trending down ever since.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    TrueBlue

    Could it possibly be you picked the weakest team on the schedule as the starting point? Let's make a graph without Weber St, shall we?

    Offensive Pts. 30 48 20 20 27 24
    Total Offensive Yards 450 539 402 387 415 329

    It looks pretty linear to me, but go ahead and get out your paper, pencil and ruler if need be. What a silly comparison.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    "Why, is he going to play on the offense? BYU is 0-4, averaging 15 points per game against Utah.

    Hadley doesn't play offense, just like Keeton doesn't play defense.

    Virgina just lost AGAIN, ask them for a rematch. Virgina by 3."

    There's no argument for BYU beating Utah at this point. However, if you believe Virginia would beat BYU again you also probably believe the Utes are better than Stanford...

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Even if you start with Oregon State, Utah's offense has still been trending down.

    Since when is 628 - 539 - 443 - 387 - 410 - 329 linear?

    Except for a slight up tick versus Stanford, Utah's total offense has been declining every week since the 2nd game of the season.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Talkinsports

    Graph the offensive points and tell me how it looks. The offensive yards are declining ever so slightly, but the offense certainly isn't the only problem. Also, what would you expect when Utah played it's worst game all year last week? Graph Utah's offense, defense or special teams and it looks like a bumpy roady, and that's exactly what this season has been.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    If you think that Utah's downward trend in offensive yards won't eventually affect Utah's offensive points, you're only fooling yourself. Even at their current rate of point production, the Utes are in big trouble.

    Subtracting the interception return versus UCLA, Utah's offense has averaged 22.75 points per game in Utah's last four games.

    That's not going to cut it against teams that are averaging 25.4, 45.4, 57.6, 30.9, and 28.0 ppg.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "The offensive yards are declining ever so slightly..."

    Seriously, I don't know where you learned to do math, but a decline from 628 yards to 329 yards is NOT a "slight" decline.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Again, take Weber State out of the equation. There is NO comparison to Weber State vs. Oregon State vs. BYU vs. Stanford, etc. I can't make it any clearer. Utah's loses are due to all phases: Offense, Defense, Special Teams (i.e. two missed FGs ve Arizona). I stand by that position. If you think otherwise, we can agree to disagree. have a good day!

  • Texas Ken Killeen, TX
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    I like the thought of BYU vs. either USC or Oregon State in San Francisco. A Utah in-state rivalry which few people outside Utah even care about, playing a bowl game in California does not seem very lucrative.
    I don't like the thought of Utah vs. Wyoming in any bowl game. That is too much of a kick back to the old MWC and WAC days. If Utah is destined to go to the NM Bowl, I hope the NM Bowl decision makers can find a better opponent.
    If the Utah vs. BYU rivalry was to eventually run out of gas, which it could with different conference affiliations and very many 3-year hiatus', I wonder who the new arch rivals for both schools would be? I think most fans want an arch rival for their teams.