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Video of men toppling rock formation in state park could have criminal consequences

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  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    You are vandals and I hope they prosecute you and throw you in jail. Worries about children? Please!

  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    This angries up the blood.

  • Jbutah Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    Been to goblin valley at least a hundred times...these are very strong rock formations and they will not fall and hurt a fly---unless senseless people like these men are there purposely destroying them! . These men are a disgrace and I strongly agree they should be prosecuted to the max! My personal message to them: STAY OUT of our state and national parks!!!'

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    These two adult juveniles were having a blast destroying mother nature's beautiful landscape. Their son who was watching them's going to follow suit in the future. I'm more than angry. They're not park patrol nor safety officers to go around and check for unstable rock formation

  • liberate Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    I give them the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty. Dumb yes, but maybe no guilty of criminal intent.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:36 p.m.

    So many jump to the throat, why not wait until it's all figured out. I agree with them that they should have found a ranger to show the dangerous situation to.

  • Hightek Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:59 a.m.

    It's a sad statement on society these days when personal self-interest and self-fulfillment overrides common sense. Modern American culture, especially here in Utah. It's all about ME.

    This valley, and it's unique formations, have survived millions of years and was important enough to society to cordon it off as a state park. And these gentlemen decide to go knock it over for a laugh.

    And @liberate, this isn't hearsay or unproven accusations. They posted the video and audio themselves. Then followed up in an interview saying they'd do it again. These are OUR lands. These are OUR monuments and treasures. I think WE have every right to be angry at those who destroy our treasures for a laugh.

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    Oct. 18, 2013 2:05 a.m.

    Come on. They must think we're stupid and going to buy the explanation of safety that they're selling. They might be lying, but watch the video. It tells the whole truth in body language and tone. These guys are poor excuses for youth leaders. They clearly lack sound judgement.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:20 a.m.

    Dumb, inconsiderate, and criminal.

    Throw the book at them!

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:34 a.m.

    My father was a botanist and was an expert witness in a suit when a state-owned tree fell on a citizen, who sued the state. It is not unreasonable to worry for peoples' safety. For all you holier-than-thou people who want to throw the book at him, please consider if you have ever done something in good conscience that turned out to have bad consequences. And if you haven't ever done such a thing before, you still might in the future. I agree that they ought to have contacted a park ranger, but hindsight is always 20/20.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    They should be prosecuted and not allowed to volunteer with the Boy Scouts or youth for a very long time. They set a very bad example.

  • Cougar11 Highland, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    The outrage by some is a bit much. If what they say is true and at some future point someone did get harmed or killed would we all now say "oh well, that was tragic, but it was mother nature so that's okay"? In the end it was two rocks shaped by mother nature. I'm sure she isn't crying over this. Millions of square miles around the world are practically untouched and formed by mother nature as well,. Take a look around, there is beauty everywhere, we really want to condemn these guys to prison because they claim they tried to protect some future family. Should they have gotten the rangers, probably, but lets stop acting like they killed someone. As a community lets rise up against the many abuses happening to children or women or drugs or driving while drunk or our country's murder rate or pornography, or our parks services acting as a foolish arm of the White House during the shut down or against prostitution or, or or or Perspective please.

  • mornixuur Layton, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    @liberate: I really couldn't care less what their intent was (and I might add that I'm not buying their explanation of their intent for a moment).

    Try telling a cop you didn't "intend" to speed and let us know how high that flies. Ignorance is not and never has been an excuse.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    It wasn't yours to do. You do not have the authority to "save lives" in a state park. And your jubilation smacks of proving that you were strong enough to topple a rock rather than make a path safer.

    If you applied your logic more broadly, I could go cut down a tree in your yard because I thought that one day it may fall and hurt someone. I could rip out the stair rails in your house because they may one day fail.

    Make up your excuses after the fact and they had better be good, because if there is any justice you will be tried and forced to pay for a helicopter to lift that rock back to its proper position.

  • Cactus Moroni, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    If they are not prosecuted, then everyone is free to do what they did with no consequences.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Thanks for keeping our parks safe guys... now pay the fines and don't ever visit our parks again.

  • jej SANDY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    I'm ok with pushing over a rock that might be dangerous. I don't just buy that story though based on how they were acting in the video. It was completely disrespectful and made me think that they were just being stupid. For everyone that says innocent until proven guilty, the guilty party posted a video of them performing the actions!

  • DEW Sandy, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Same fishy story as an example "Dean Potter famous climb on Delicate Arch". Did he get fined, I don't know. I did look in the web search, but it did say something which was put in place from federal government AFTER he already attempt that Delicate Rock (Arch). Now this is State Park "Goblin Valley" and I do hope that there will be huge STIFF Penalties for what he did. Remember this Colorado River rafting group who pushed (or whatever word) this large boulder down the river in Moab area. What consequences did they get? Again, I don't know but Mother nature did her art and should be kept alone.

    I am sorry sir to both of you if you didn't think which I don't buy that and stay away from our Mother Nature land!

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Are we really going to throw people in jail for pushing over a rock? Please. These people have families. Sure, they made a mistake. Have them perform community service, cleaning parks or building walking paths in parks. If you put them in jail they will lose their income, their families will lose their homes, divorces may result and the families my end up on welfare.

    Stop the reactionary comments and think a little. Actions have consequences on both sides.

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    "please consider if you have ever done something in good conscience that turned out to have bad consequences."

    Nope. Never have.

    Throw the book at them.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    These guys are shortsighted.

    The narrowest Hoodoos are the coolest!

    Please stay out of the parks.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    As seen on CNN.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    Right or wrong one thing is certain; that rock will not be crushing some child or tree hugger in the future.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    @Hightek
    "especially here in Utah"
    That's funny, seeing as Utah is one of the most charitable states in the country.
    As to the toppling of the rocks - absolutely terrible. A large fine should be sufficient

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    The Tribune has a more in-depth article about this situation. The culprit says he was "prompted" to topple the rock. The men are both LDS, Scout leaders and Youth leaders.

    This troubles me because I was an LDS Scoutmaster for over 5 years. I knew whatever I did would likely be seen as appropriate behavior by the Scouts. When out on a campout, hike or at Scout camp, I made sure they knew the rules, the laws and why they must obey the Scout Law. I was never perfect, but I would never have made a joke out of damaging a natural feature.

    The logic that a natural feature is too much of a risk to someone else is false logic. Nature is inherently a threat to humans. Not only rocks but also weather, water, wildlife, trees and everything else poses risks to us. These guys need to use common sense rather than justify their behavior by saying they were protecting someone else.

  • Brother Wolf Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    RE: Superdell

    I tend to agree. We don't need washington DC tryin' to tell us what rocks we can touch in our own state! Enough is enough!

  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    By some of your logic, we should tear down Delicate Arch, fill in the Grand Canyon, outlaw rock climbing, and drain all large bodies of water larger than a bathtub. Truth is that nature is dangerous, we don't need nature safety vigilantes running around making it safe for us.

    How can you possible condone this behavior? If a natural landmark becomes unsafe, such as Landscape Arch, you don't tear it down, you tell people about it and protect them from it and protect it from them.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Scout leaders?

    Their levels of mature judgement is even lower than the normal 12-year old Scout. I hope they will be relieved of their Scouting duties immediately.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Are we going to prosecute every kid that rolls a rock down the mountain now?

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    For those who claim the feds are being too restrictive when it bans toppling rock formations, this was a state park, created by and under the control of the state of Utah.

    For those who think the act was justified on safety grounds, there are thousands of hoodoos in Goblin Valley that you could use that excuse to push over. If you're worried about it, don't visit this particular park because that's what it is- a bunch of heavy large rocks on softer and smaller stone stems.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    What happened to "Leave No Trace?" These guys ought to be banned from the Boy Scouts for life. The false logic of trying to make the park safer for people is just the lame excuse they came up with after they got caught. By that logic, how many other formations are there in Goblin Valley that ought to be torn down? 100? 500? 1000? Why don't we go ahead and dynamite Landscape Arch? It's getting pretty thin up there. Or widen the slot canyons to make flash flooding less dangerous? What about the stalagmites in Timpanogos Cave? Someone might fall on one and impale themselves one day. Better break them off. I don't buy that excuse for one second. I don't know which is more concerning: these men and their excuse, or the people on here that actually seem to buy it. Whatever you think of the government or "environmentalists" or whatever, that's absolutely no excuse to gleefully go around wantonly desecrating God's creations.

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    The Rock.
    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Apparently they were without sin. So they cast the first big stone out of the way so they can squeeze their way around it. So now it's my turn to cast my stone at them. I've sinned in other aspects of my life. But not pushing a rock over for hanging loose on it's place and I'm having a hard time getting around it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    justmyguy -- these sure didn't look like kids.

  • ephazi Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    Great intentions, but poor delivery. They removed a hazard. Park officials should now comb over the park and find these potential hazards and re-route trails, or block off these sections of the park to maintain the integrity of the formations.

  • my 2 cents worth West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    Ignorance is no excuse. These men destroyed not only public property, but an ancient formation that had been standing for centuries. This behavior is inexcusable, but especially in scout leaders who should be examples to others--youth and otherwise.

    The rock they toppled had more sense than these men. I hope they throw the book at them.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    I've seen lots of balanced rocks that look very precarious... that doesn't mean you push them over.

    I guess that's what happens when city folks get out of their safe manufactured environment. It looks dangerous so they have to do something about it. Too bad this intervention was so destructive.

    My philosophy when in the outdoors is to leave natural things the way they are and let nature take it's course.

    What if some guy saw Delicate Arch and thought it was so fragile he'd just hook his 4x4 up to it and pull it down (so it wouldn't fall on somebody).

  • Ted Haeger PARK CITY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    On my recent trip to the California Redwoods, the only act of vandalism I witnessed was done by three unattended youths, one wearing an "I am a Mormon" shirt. I spoke to the scoutmaster (who wore a BYU sweatshirt) about it and he graciously accepted the concern I expressed, but I still see it as his responsibility.

    I wish that LDS Church and BSA leadership would launch an awareness campaign to emphasize more respect for others and the natural world. Scouting used to be different.

  • Tony K Sandy, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    I don't buy for a SECOND that they did it for safety. Come on...

    They should be fined into oblivion. What is next? Knocking down Delicate Arch? How about some graffiti in the Grand Canyon? Maybe they could find some ancient native american artifacts they could destroy?

  • Deacon12 Rock Hill, SC
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Tourism is a large contributor to Utah's economy, but if Utahans want to destroy the very beauty that contributes to their economy tourists will go elsewhere. Here's a sarcastic suggestion; give these fellas some shovels and a wheelbarrow so they can level the Wasatch - folks could get hurt skiing up there.

  • Bill Shakespeare Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Mabye these fellows were merely in need of some "rock n' roll"?

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    What happened to "leave no trace"?

  • MTerry SANDY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    What a great example for their posterity. They exhibited totally immature and child-like demeanor in this video.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @ Ted

    "I wish that LDS Church and BSA leadership would launch an awareness campaign to emphasize more respect for others and the natural world. Scouting used to be different."

    The BSA has--it's called Leave No Trace, and it's right there in every Boy Scout Handbook, as well as leader materials. Evidently these leaders either have not been properly trained, have ignored their training, or both. Either way, they have no place in Scouting.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    That was a disturbing video. The laughing was difficult to hear. Good to see most people are sensitive to this issue. Concerned that others still don't get it. I have been to many beautiful places in the world and in my opinion noting compares to Goblin Valley. The beauty of it is due to these many delicate hoodoos.

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    many years ago, in a geology class at the U, the structure of these formations was explained. as the wind erodes the softer rock, the center of gravity shifts, and compresses the softer rock, then the less compressed rock on the other side will erode faster and cause a shift in the center of gravity, and on, and on. this explains how the fantastic formations came into being over the millenia that it took. if these 'gentlemen' had just left it alone and mentioned it to a ranger, it could have been cordoned off and left untill it either fell by itself, or stabilized by itself. for this vandalism, maybe not jail time, but surely a hefty fine and community service. this is my opinion and I'm from Utah.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    This goes to show how many hidden crimes are on the books. If these guys had good intentions to protect others from a large bolder falling on them they had no criminal intent, but our government's "malum prohibitum" crimes are poised to "fry them." Of course, when a boulder fell down the mountain in Big Cottonwood Canyon and crushed a young man in a car with his mom watching, I didn't hear about any government officials rushing in to take responsibility or comfort the family. People are more valuable than rock formations despite what political correctness teaches. We need to repeal about 2/3 of all state and federal laws so we all don't become felons unknowingly.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    To those defending these guys or saying "no big deal." Really?

    It was made a Utah State Park for a reason. To protect the natural beauty that exists there for everyone to enjoy.

    I have this feeling that those who are saying, "it's just a rock," or "they didn't do anything wrong," happen to belong to a particular wing of a certain political party.

  • kirkesque Sarajevo, 00
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    @RG, these men have absolutely no evident credentials for judging the safety of the formation, so they certainly were in no position to determine (in hindsight, only after discussing things with an attorney, did the issue of safety come up as it is certainly not part of their self-glorification video) the safety of that structure.

    @The Rock (how apropos)... You stated, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Do you taste the ironic poisoning? I was gonna let them without sin cast the first stone, but these selfish juveniles already knocked it over.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    Re: "I wish that LDS Church and BSA leadership would launch an awareness campaign to emphasize more respect for others and the natural world"...

    Ya, I'm pretty sure the LDS Church and the BSA have never done any campaigns to emphasis respect for others and the natural world... Give me a break. Just because there are a few bone-heads out there... don't project it onto everybody.

    This is not an LDS problem. And it's not a BSA problem.

    Nowhere in the BSA training are they taught to do this (quite the opposite).
    Nowhere in LDS doctrine are they taught to do this (quite the opposite).

    Let's not try to make this into something it isn't (an LDS bash session or a BSA thing) or project this onto others who had nothing to do with it. Neither of these groups were responsible for this.

    Blame is not important. Education is.

  • clip65 Orem/Utah, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    I have been to Goblin Valley several times with family and with scouting groups. This is not only one of my favorite places to visit in Utah but home to one of the most unique geological formations on this planet. As a scout and a scout leader I was taught the "leave no trace" principles and did my best to follow them and instill them in the youth I worked with. It saddens me that a couple of "environmental vigilantes" decided to arbitrarily destroy a part of this incredible natural treasure on false pretense of safeguarding us from a potential hazard. Not only should they be criminally charged and fined for wanton destruction of public property but they should be ordered to do hundreds of hours of community service working side by side with park rangers who spend so much of their time cleaning up vandalism in many of our state and national parks. Hopefully, a felony conviction will disqualify these bozos from any future service in scouting.

  • slave American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Another good reason the State of Utah should take over the management of all the parks in the state. Look at the money we could save in wages. After all everyone who visit's is an expert and knows what is best. Goblin Valley is a pile of trash. Over the past few years we have hauled out bags of water bottles, balls and even human waste. What a fine example we set while showing the world that we can do what we want with no consequences.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    IF these two are Scout Leaders they should be released from their callings and asked to serve in the nursery where they can be watched more closely by reasonable and sane adults. Their act of safety was childish vandalism and should carry a heavy enough fine that they will remember it for a long long time.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    For scouts and scouters to destroy natural features anywhere is a callous and reprehensible act of ignorance, but to do it in a state park, which is dedicated to the preservation and appreciation of natural wonders, is an act deserving of swift, severe and long-term punishment.

    Regardless of the legal consequences to these individuals, the Boy Scouts of America and their local council should prohibit these men from being registered as scouters ever again.

    Our youth deserve better role models than this, and society deserves a generation that won't grow up to emulate them.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    Take only pictures, leave only footprints.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Cougar11,

    "As a community lets rise up against the many abuses happening to children or women or drugs or driving while drunk or our country's murder rate or pornography, or our parks services acting as a foolish arm of the White House during the shut down or against prostitution or, or or or Perspective please."

    Please, be my guest. Go for it. In the meantime, the rest of us have every right to be appalled by this senseless joke.

  • PMSmith SANDY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    these men should be asked to be made to work in the scout program forever! If you've ever been asked to work with scouts you will know what I mean.

    Now - if they had done this and were serious about it from the first I might it might think this was a good thing but they clearly they wanted to push this rock over and then joked about it as if they did something honorable. "deep down inside you need me on that wall"

    I say fine them, make them do service, and never allow them in our state parks again.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    I hope these idiots get the book thrown at them! They don't own public property and destroying what took thousands of years to create is against everything we hold sacred. This violation of trust should involve very stiff fines and/or penalties to send a message you cannot desecrate our national treasures with impunity. As a citizen of Utah, it makes me really mad. I hope they seriously regret this mindless vandalism!

  • Chachi Charlottesville, VA
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    What these people did is inexcusable, and anyone who watches the video can judge for themselves whether they believe that the vandals were genuinely concerned for others' safety.

    But making death threats against them is even worse. We do not believe in vigilante justice in this country. If they've actually received death threats, as they claim, whoever made them can and should also be criminally prosecuted.

  • clip65 Orem/Utah, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Dwayne said, “None of you can state any intent to harm people therefore the men did not commit a violation of anyone's rights." While intent is an important consideration in determining the "weight" of someone's offense it is not the only legal consideration (e.g., cases of negligence). You also seem to be forgetting the 85,000 individuals who visit Goblin Valley on an annual basis. Since Goblin Valley is a state park, and maintained in part by my tax dollars, destruction of public property is a violation of my rights as an individual as well as the rights of thousands of other state taxpayers who will no longer have the benefit of enjoying the park in its previous natural state. How is what they did any different than any other form of vandalism? Also, how did these clowns know the rock posed an imminent threat to the safety of others? I highly doubt either of these guys are trained geologists. Finally, if you see a bear in proximity to humans, you warn them to get out of the way and then call a duly authorized DWR officer whom we have given legal authority to manage our state wildlife.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    This was a PURPOSEFUL DECISION, not a mistake.
    The man pushing the rock, has filed at least one "personal injury" lawsuit.

    These "leaders" missed the signs that said DO NOT CLIMB, and let their charges climb and jump on the rocks?

    These "men" shouldn't be allowed to hold ANY position of authority, anywhere.

  • pumpkin Huntington, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    Oh my, my. Such bad boys. Poor civilized people always ready to holler and point fingers, call names and lay blame. Sad civilized people.

  • grandmagreat Lake Havasu City, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Boy, why can't people just admit, that these two had the right thoughts when pushing over a rock, hoping, to avoid a future accident. There are other grat things to see in Utah parks, and I bet those who have writeen complaining notes, have never been to Goblin Valley.

  • Whattheheck? Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    Just saw this story on national news, with the guilty men dressed in suits and ties trying to "look" innocent. This is outrageous! Shame on them! It gives the BSA and Utahns a bad name (which neither needs right now). C'mon, let's throw the book at them. They need to take full accountability and stop rationalizing. If my sons had Boy Scout leaders like this, I would make them quit scouting. We can't afford to let men like these try to be "examples" to our sons.

  • IMAPatriot2 PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:09 p.m.

    The explanation of safety would be viable if they hadn't posted this on UTube. Not convinced that they had altruistic motives.

  • Whattheheck? Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    Are you kidding me, grandmagreat and pumpkin? Did you watch the video? Now honestly say that they had the right thoughts pushing over a rock and blame the civilized people. Unbelievable...

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    They didn't do it to protect anyone. It was stupid and they should be charged to the full extent of the law

  • byu_realistic Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    I agree with The Rock.

    I think what these men did was stupid; but not malicious. If their intent were truly criminal, I doubt they would post on youtube. Given identical circumstances, they would likely not make the same mistake again. We all make mistakes; some of them unwise. Who among us is exempt? Let the punishment fit the crime. Let them do community service or whatever is deemed prudent and move on.

  • Whattheheck? Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    @byu_realistic: You said it wasn't a truly criminal act, but then said "let the punishment fit the crime". Isn't defacement of public property a crime? I know, let's go to their yards and cut down trees and then say that it looked as if the trees might topple on some innocent person and cause injury. Would that punishment fit the "crime"?

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    The rock formations in Goblin Valley are solid rock consisting of a body, neck and head of 'goblins'.

    The rock that was toppled in video was precariously sitting on a neck of clay.

    Not a rock formation as is implied in the title of article.

  • collegestudent25 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    He pushed over a rock. I don't think he should have done it and he should get a fine. If you think he should get a felony you need to reevaluate your priorities.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    It would not be out of line to let these brethren spend a half a dozen nights in jail and pay a hefty fine for their vandalism and terrible example they have set for the youth they were supposed to be setting good example for.

  • ThinksIThink SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    Can't somebody ask the Rock what happened? Isn't there anyone left in Utah who can talk to a rock?

  • repsac3 Mastic, NY
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    I'd have to know the specific law regarding the "destruction" of these structures, but it looked to me like they did the wrong thing for what they perceived to be the right reason, and I suspect I'd be hard-pressed to convict 'em. Yes, they had fun doing what they did, but I still think they thought removing the rock was the lesser evil. Maybe there ought to be posted warnings about what to do--and not do--when you see an unsafe condition in the park. (Personally, I'm just glad their act of safety didn't backfire on them... Had that unstable mound of dirt caused the boulder to come down on the guy's leg, it would've been a very different video...)

  • Big Bill Madison, AL
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:18 a.m.

    The heck with fines. These two people should be made to put the rock back where it was originally located!

  • 28831 Hayward, CA
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    What is the big deal here? The rock was there, now it is elsewhere! I'm sure mother nature is more forgiving than the rest of the people here... There are people dying all over the world from hunger, diseases and wars and we want to waste resources to prosecute these guys for making an ignorant mistake that didn't hurt anyone. I guess that's the American way.

  • Beverly Marsh Westfield, NJ
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    When these fine gentlemen and Scout Leaders are done fixing the State Park, perhaps they could hop over to the United Kingdom and help them with that pesky Stonehenge problem.

  • TrueAmerican56 Corpus Christi, TX
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    Typical me generation, whatever I want to do is right, never thinking about rules, other visitors in this case, or even future generations, and to think they represent the Boy Scouts, good thing he taught his son a valuable lesson, destroy mother nature when you can.

  • 1ekb1963 Ridgway, Elk, PA
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    While I can understand they had good intentions, it's never a good thing to destroy national parks; especially the views that they contain. If it is a hazard area, shouldn't it state that, as well?

    Fine them if you will, but they needn't be in jail for it.

    Perhaps having them speak to others about why what they did was not legal would be a good thing, too; as a public service.

  • Designcreature Cashmere, WA
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    And this is what we teach our children in Boy Scout? That is is okay to trash what we want when we want to and yet post it as a favor to hikers. Give me a break. But don't give THEM one. Heavy fines, please.

  • The Final Word Alpine, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    I have seen less outrage as a result of child molestations and murders. Good grief, gain some perspective.

    I'm not saying I condone what they did but please get a grip people. Of course they should have notified rangers but seriously, the rock is still right beside where it was before.

    Calm down. Whether they handled it properly or not the rock was loose enough to be a danger and ultimately Rangers may have done the same thing.

    Poor judgement yes but people are acting like they belong in the electric chair or something.

    Its a rock and thera are plenty more around the area to still look at. If they would not have videoed it then nobody would have been the wiser or have ever known or said anything about the landscape.

    Typical over-reaction of todays environmental politically correct wingnut society.

  • Pbrkid Eastover, SC
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Boy scouts are to leave no trace of being there.. To clean and protect the trails ... These guys did everything but that.. I was a scout leader for years these guys should be brought up on charges and fined.. This is a bad day in scouting history.... These are not leaders!!! They are no better than Vandals, with spray paint and should be treated the same..

  • mtnman Utah, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    Hey critics and officials, back off these guys and take a different perspective for those who also need to gain some perspective (about preservation). These guys shouldn't have done what they did; you should not persecute them for it. Some (over-)appreciate mother nature and some under-appreciate it; which one of you is correct? How do you know? We are talking about knocking over a relatively insignificant structure. There is NO DOUBT it was an error in judgment, a mistake, which we all make. Let's reserve jail/prison for the truly criminal and not spend resources on mistake-makers. Relax.

    I believe if you direct your outrage, indignation, judgment, demands for justice and resources to more problematic ethical issues (e.g., modern slavery, basic human rights, deterioration of virtue and values in society, etc.) you'll contribute to exposing and bringing to justice true criminals who don't hesitate to exploit.

    Goblin Valley State Park will go on it nearly all of it's glory, perhaps minus one rock, which IS unfortunate, but not a crime, nor should it be.

  • Fyrangel Marion, IA
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    It's so sad that someone would take it upon themselves to destroy something that has stood for 170 million years. My family and I are planning a trip to Goblin Valley in May of next year now we won't see something that we might have seen.

    In the video it took some major effort to knock that rock off. I can't believe they would say they were trying to protect anyone. They just wanted to see if they could knock it down.

    I only wish that there were stiffer penalties for destruction of natural wonders.

  • Sailor376 Oakland, MI
    Oct. 19, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    These men are certainly NOT Boy Scout leaders. They are wearing not a single vestige of a uniform. Leaders are required to dress the part. Secondly, they,, if they were leaders, would be trained to leave no trace. "Take only pictures, leave only foot prints." And the very depth of their depravity,,, they posted the rope that is going to hang them.

    And the three should consider themselves astonishingly fortunate. ANY, I do mean any, first year, greenhorn, construction site or tree feller, would NEVER have placed themselves between two rocks. Strictly 50/50 as to the direction of fall. Had that,,, gosh I want to swear, person doing the pushing, had he died, the other two would be charged with , at a minimum, manslaughter. A fatality during the commission of a crime.

    Their mentality, what very little they may possess, would have them killing snakes in a snake preserve, shooting buffalo, in a buffalo preserve such as the Black Hills, and certainly killing every wolf and grizzly bear in Yellowstone National Park.

    These men are vandals, ignorant, vile , imbeciles. They should indeed be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    The Final Word: but it is not in the same place that it was. A goblin was destroyed

  • jcobabe Provo, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    The world must be really short on legitimate news, to focus on such a trivial thing. Sure, these guys were stupid. But 'cmon people, get a life. They tipped over a rock, for pete's sake!

    It isn't as if the millions of inhabitants of the world, or even the majority of inhabitants of Utah, ever knew or cared about Goblin Valley, before it came into public notice. Even the US Secretary of State asserts that Americans have the right to be stupid.

    Rock formations erode and fall down all the time without even the slightest notice from the general public. The special features of Goblin Valley have not suffered any noticeable compromise because of these men and a thoughless stunt. Leave them alone, they'll go back to obscurity from public criticism, and nobody will be the worse.

    I willingly confess to have rolled rocks on public lands, and I don't think anyone ever took any notice or even cared. Things fall down, roll downhill - nature is ruled by entropy. Not even the mountains last forever.

  • EnglishAlan Rugeley, Staffs
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:32 a.m.

    If it takes that much effort to push it over, the chances are that it wouldn't fall any time soon.

    England has it's beauty, and we protect that beauty for generations to come. Heavy fines are, in my opinion, warranted here. My family and I stand open-mouthed at the beauty of Utah's natural scenery when we visit. Shame is that there is now one less jaw-dropping sight to see because of what would appear to be vandalism. I guess spray-painting their names would not have been enough.

    My other hope is that this gentleman does not win his claims for back injuries from the car- crash he was involved in. I use my local gym several times a week, and would have struggled to push that rock over. It would be impossible for someone with a debilitating back injury.