God stopped a boat engine from starting, but he couldn't (or wouldn't)
just stop the heart attack directly?Why? Because god likes drama?Meanwhile, all those people who actually died of heart attacks must have
been unworthy, and their loved ones are left wondering why god respected this
woman but not their family members.Makes no sense.
What a blessing that this good man listened to the spirit. Wht a heart breaking
incident would have happened if he had gone home and found his wife, in the
garden, but her spirit had gone on. this brought tears to my eyes. We must all
listen to the spirit more closely,no matter what we are doing.
Beautiful written article. Who knew an engineer could write.
Great story. And to the "scientist" I say, "God moves in mysterious
ways, His wonders to perform", and so, don't try to figure it out, nor
make life "fair" for everyone. As our weak mortal eyes and
understanding cannot comprehend God's ways. But, since you don't
believe in deity, it doesn't matter and shouldn't matter to you if
this family sees this as a miracle. I would be happy to meet you on the other
side and discuss this further.
@ The ScientistSee is believing, but believing is also seeing.I am willing to bet that the little engine started right up next time it was
tried.God spared this ladies life for a reason, a reason that He has
not disclosed.There are millions of people in this world who are
blind, but there are none so blind as those who will not see. Such blindness is
self inflicted and is caused by placing unimportant things first. Even an object
as small as a mans thumb, if held close enough to the eye can comply obscure
something as large as the sun.It might make no sense to you, but it
makes perfect sense to this family.
Oh good grief, Scientist! By your reasoning, everything God does should just be
the most direct and efficient way. Maybe he should just manifest his plan
blatantly and directly to all of us so we don’t even need to make any
choices in life. Better yet, why not just force us all to believe and save us
all! (I think He rejected that plan.)Or, maybe, He uses our
circumstances and environments to send subtle messages that give us reasons to
believe, yet allowing room for doubt. It’s that way by design, which
gives us reasons to exercise faith, to make moral and spiritual choices, and
learn and grow in a spiritual way.Is it so hard to accept that the
ambiguity of it all is by design? Exercise a little faith (like you do in those
“real Egyptologists”). It does a body (and spirit) good!
"Scientist" No, I don't believe God enjoys drama. He does
find joy in watching his children serve one another. Since this man was
sensitive to his wife's feelings, etc. he was able to take care of her and
serve her. I know many people that would have "fought" with the boat,
been angry when coming home and not paid attention to the signs of this heart
attack.I am grateful to see the kindness of others around me. I hope
someday you recognize that many times it is God's spirit working through us
as we serve our fellow man.
@The ScientistIt's easy to doubt when we try to reason with our
mortal minds what God does and why He does what He does.Man's
knowledge is a mere piffle compared to His. That's where faith comes into
fowersjlSo god moves in mysterious ways as in... He allows many
faithful people to perish in different ways, but some he saves by not stopping
the heart attack but by making a motor not start.... That makes no sense. He
allowed this person to survive, meanwhile allows children to be killed and other
people to die young. It doesn't add up. It is a great story, but I doubt
god stopped the trip that morning - it was just a matter of circumstance. Just
the same as me leaving work 1 minute late and happening to avoid an accident
scene that very easily could have been me had I left a minute earlier.
Brahmabull posted:=That makes no sense. He allowed this person to
survive, meanwhile allows=children to be killed and other people to die
young. It doesn't add up.What doesn't add up about it? Is
it God's job to preserve the lives of the children and the mentioned young
people? Rather, I think God's job is to preserve into the eternities as
much good as God can. That doesn't imply that God will keep the children
and young people alive.Kevin S
@Brahmabull,Why not? Other than the fact that it doesn’t make
sense to YOU (or anyone who relies on solely on limited, mortal perspective),
why not? Can your thinking not allow the possibility that mortal life is a
test, and as part of this test we get bits and pieces of evidence that could
sway us one way or another, thereby testing our resolve? I think it’s a
beautiful plan, and makes so much more sense than the purposeless atheistic
perspective. (And for me, it’s more than just thinking it’s a
beautiful plan—I’ve acted on faith enough to have a testimony that
continues to grow in strength.)And no, I don’t know why some
die early and needlessly and others don’t. Not understanding that is part
of the test. I’ve lost loved ones who have died tragically and very young.
I don’t blame God. In fact, my testimony has been strengthened through
those difficult experiences.
kvnsmnsn, teeohI don't blame god either. My point is that god
has nothing to do with people being saved from death anymore than he has
something to do with those who die young or in tragic ways. If he can prevent an
older woman from dying of a heart attack, then why wouldn't he also prevent
other tragic things from happening to others? I don't think he picks and
chooses some to save and lets others perish. I just don't think he has a
thing to do with either.
So let's just call it "luck" that the motor didn't start.
Let's just call it "luck" that he got home to his wife in time to
assist her through this life threatening event. Then, let's call it
"unlucky" that other people die young, die of heart attacks, or other
events beyond their immediate control. The story of the engineer is no less
heart warming for those who enjoy heart warming stories. The tragedies of
others remain just as tragic and no one has to blame God in either situation.
Strange things do happen, luck does seem to happen to some and not to others.
Faith is a gift given to some, but not to all. Luck is a gift to some, but
obvious not to all. Let's enjoy the gifts we recieve and mourn with those
who need our support.
The essential part of a miracle is for God to intervene in some way. Since God
isn't around taking credit you could also replace God in the previous
sentence with: Zeus, The Great Spirit, Allah, coincidence, natural laws etc.
I'm just happy the woman is ok.
First, I totally believe that this (the boat engine not starting) was a blessing
from the Lord.However....what is difficult, at least for me, is
recognizing at the time, what events are "the Lord" and what events are
just things unfolding all on their own. This is very difficult for me to
discern at the time. Usually I can see things more clearly after the passage of
I have seen evidence of God's protecting power in my life. These instances
were of such a nature that I cannot believe they were just coincidence.
However, I also understand that I have no talisman in my pocket and could have
no such protection another time as I have not been spared from all suffering. I
do not see it as good luck, or bad luck, or Zeus or anything other than a loving
God who spares me from the things that would be of no worth to me and who does
not spare me from those things I need to experience to grow from. I
cannot speak to everyone's experiences, or every world event that includes
suffering, but this is what I believe for me.
A small poster I once read in an elevator in the LDS Office Building said,
"A coincidence is a small miracle in which God has chosen to remain
anonymous." A great Church leader once said, "There are no
coincidences." I believe it. To believe this requires a faith that is
hard-won but which is continually rewarded and continually rewarding.Not all have such a mindset, nor do some even want it. Their wish is granted.
As Paul said, "[T]he the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned."Some see the hand of God in the
boat motor not starting. Others think that's foolishness. To each his
Can't we all just get along? So you don't believe like I believe and
visa versa. Really? Does it really solve anything?
"All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act
for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence. Behold,
here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that
which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not
the light."--Doctrine and Covenants 93:30-31
It's not so much about the length of each person's journey upon the
earth as it is about each personal, loving, living, trusting, interactive
relationship with God. It's all about the relationship. The relationship
never underestimate situations we do not know why something is not working
right. there is a purpose in all things. i trust in our Savior and our Heavenly
Father. i listen to the inspiration from the Holy Ghost. yes there have been
times I personally have been saved or ended up helping someone else without know
why. i am grateful this man was at home. i know his wife is grateful also
Scientist: Sometimes we get in the way of God's miracles because we choose
not to listen or be a part of them.
Excellent story. We all see better in hindsight. When a series of events occur
that in hindsight you can see God's hand in; that is faith not luck. This
husband didn't know why he should come home; he could have gone somewhere
else; he didn't. He felt he needed to return.Some of us are spared
misery, pain or death some are not but we can go on to do greater things or we
just exist. We are here to receive a body, learn, grow, contribute and make a
difference in the world.God sees our lives from beginning to end - we make
choices that determine which direction our lives will go. ONLY God determines
when we return to him. We are sometimes in control of our lives and determine
their direction. What changes that direction is someone else's agency (ie:
as in a murder, abduction, assault).If you don't have faith you see
it as luck/intuition. That is the Spirit. Why some things happen is explained in
John 9:23."that the works of God should be made manifest". It
doesn't have to add up to us. We must walk by faith.
"Great story. And to the "scientist" I say, "God moves in
mysterious ways, His wonders to perform", and so, don't try to figure
it out, nor make life "fair" for everyone."Doesn't
this part bother anyone else "don't try to figure it out".This comment is an example of why I have turned from religion. Religion makes
it virtuous to not understand our world. In a world where we test
and analyze everything to gain understanding, but for some reason the chosen
path to a god is to blindly follow. This doesn't add up. We are told that
even though the evidence does not match the story it is still the chosen path.
It is unfortunate that people have been trained to not question. If
there is a god, he/she/it would not be afraid of your questions or penalize you
for doing so.If god gets credit for stopping the motor, then he also
gets credit for stopping the heart. I will not give a deity credit when a
problem is created and resolved by the same deity.
I'm so glad this story was written and shared. It's sad to read that
some lacking in faith don't see how willing God is to show tender mercies
to them, too, if they were only more believing. For those who wonder why
"God helps some, but not others, others who end up dying," etc., perhaps
we're looking at it from a very limited, mortal, and skewed perspective.
Perhaps those on the other side, who have already passed on, are feeling sorry
for those of us still struggling here on earth. Also, through His great plan,
there will come a time when there will be no more sorrow, and every tear will be
wiped away from every bad thing that every happened, because Christ's
Atonement, which makes it possible, is that amazing.