"there was a time when America united behind the President....." What
country has Mr. Davis been living in, because I've never seen anything
close to that in my 60+ years. The only time I've seen that kind of
uniting behind a President is when when a tragedy like 911 happens and that only
lasts a short time. Why is it that now Democrats are asking us to be behind
Obama, after we Republicans listened to almost 8 years of Bush being called
everything up to Hitler or the Devil. And I for one did not think they were
wrong for not liking Bush and his war policies. Democrats and liberals had a
right and duty to voice opposition to a Presidents policies they disagreed with.
Welcome to freedom. Hope it lasts. Now, please, you Obama supporters just
give us anti Obama types the same courtesy when we disagree with your President
and his policies. If Obama were a conservative Republican he would be my hero.
But he is not and I think he is destroying the country.
"Of course the “birthers” cannot admit that Obama is president
because someone born outside of the United States, as they claim President Obama
was, cannot be president."We certainly KNOW that line of
thinking will change.Ted Cruz openly admits he was not born in the
United States. His birth certificate proves it (unless it is fake, lol) He was
born in Canada to a US citizen mother and a Cuban Citizen father.Exactly the same type of scenario that the birthers have "claimed"
about Obama (but have had zero proof)With all the birther uproar,
one would expect that they will staunchly opposed Cruz based on his Canadian
birth. What a conundrum. What a show it will be if Cruz runs in
"We need to return to the way past generations respected the presidency and
the person who held it by banishing from our speech the phrase “not my
president.”"The "banishing" of "not my
president" is working very well in North Korea.
So if we just talk nicer about the president, will he uphold and enforce the
laws, as he is sworn to do? Will he stop trying to spend the money our
great-grandchildren might someday make? Will he stop insulting and demonizing
those with different beliefs? NOT A CHANCE!Maybe if the
president, as a leader and an example, would talk civilly about those with
different viewpoints than his own, the country would follow.
I just wish that President Obama would start acting like he is EVERYONE's
president instead of just his supporter's.Yes, he won the
election even if it was just by a couple of percentage points. But that does not
mean that he can get his way 100% of the time, reject any and all offers of
compromise from conservatives, and constantly demonize everyone who has a vision
for this country that is different from his.He is the most divisive
president in modern history. He is constantly pitting one group against the
other. He rewards his friends and punishes his opponents. He refuses to even
listen to what the other side has to say, let alone throw them a bone once in a
while.When the American people see him actually make an attempt at
being a leader of the United States instead of just the "blue" ones,
then some of this rhetoric will diminish. There will always be crazy people out
there who will never be anything but purely partisan, but we should expect more
from the President.
"So if we just talk nicer about the president, will he uphold and enforce
the laws, as he is sworn to do? Will he stop trying to spend the money our
great-grandchildren might someday make? Will he stop insulting and demonizing
those with different beliefs? "No. But if you take off the
partisan blinders, and stop watching media that seeks to demonize him 24/7, you
will find that this president is not much different than the other presidents
before him.This goes for both right and left. And applies to many
aspects of life.If you want to find only the bad, you will find only
the bad. The same applies to the good.I suggest looking at reality and do
your best to honestly evaluate what you find.
George Bush Sr. was the last president to be accepted as legitimate by both
sides. The right never accepted Bill Clinton as the legitimate president and
they did everything in their power to undermine him. For the left, it was
payback time with Bush Jr. Under Obama though, the level of vitriol has reached
new heights, exceeding anything we saw under Bush Jr. or Clinton.Although I thought Bush Jr. did serious damage to the country that we are
still paying for and will continue to pay for for a long time, I never thought
that he wasn't my president. I also defended him from time to time when I
thought accusations against him were ridiculous.
The Whitehouse has likened negotiating with duly elected representatives of the
people as negotiating with terrorists. Thus our president seeks to de-legitimate
political opposition from a co-equal branch of government as enemies of the
state. Richard Davis should be more concerned about what our president thinks of
his fellow citizens than the other way around. Davis is blind to his own
A "president" that calls those with whom he disagrees derogatory names,
accuses them of being terrorists, lies to them continually and demeans them is
not my President either! A "leader" that purposely destroys and divides
the country he is supposed to lead is not my President. He neither leads me,
inspires me nor represents me! Therefore, I have no President!
"The Whitehouse has likened negotiating with duly elected representatives of
the people as negotiating with terrorists."And I assume that you
are totally unaware of these "duly elected representatives" who liken
Obama to Hitler, or say that he "hates America" or that he "wants
America to fail" or that he is a "liar" or that he "hates white
people" or that he "is not an American" or that he is a
"muslim"And of course, no "duly elected representative
of the people" would ever "seek to de-legitimize" their opposition
either, right?Geez, you are talking about politics. And
unfortunately, it is played by both sides.
Joe BlowYou should have seen it yesterday. Speaker Bohener goes on
TV for about 3 minutes and says we are trying to do what is best for the
American people and to reach an agreement. Then Pelosi goes on TV a few minutes
later and starts calling the Republicans every name in the terriorist hand book
and goes on and on about how bad the Republicans are. And now we are to expect
the Republicans to want to work with that??? Right now the worst vitriol is
coming from the Democrats, and because the mainstream media agrees with them,
there is no criticism of their very harsh words. Any with no blinders at all I
think this President is MUCH different than those who have gone before him. He
said he wanted to fundamentally transform this country. I don't want that
Badgerbadger's comment was predictable, including the all-caps yelling.Mntnmn's comment was also predictable, and disappointing.But the latter illustrates the problem Richard is trying to point out.
Repeating blather you hear on talk radio and accusing the president of
"purposely" destroying and dividing the country is a symptom of the
illness we need to heal in this country. Ugliness and hate and blindness will
not solve anything, and I invite Mntnmn and others like him to tone it down.
More than half the time you don't even have your facts right.
Roland Kayser"the vitirol has reached new hights under
Obama?" Beg to differ. Even now read what Pelosi and others are saying
about Republicans. Plus Bush was called the worst things a human being can be
called. There may be some anti Obama sentiment close or even equal, but new
heights are impossible with what Bush, and Reagan had been called, and what Reid
and Pelosi are doing today.
JoeCapitalist2:I am unaffiliated politically, and for some reason
what you say just doesn't ring true. The most divisive president in modern
history? He is probably the most embattled president in modern history, but that
is because the Republican Party announced at the outset of his presidency that
they would do all in their power to destroy him. What I have seen since then is
a well-intentioned but imperfect man trying his level best to do what is best
for the entire country (not just his supporters), but being opposed at every
turn, even when he proposes ideas that originated with his opposition. That is
how determined and irrational the GOP is. But in the end, all they will
accomplish is their own destruction, because people get fed up eventually with
hate and bitterness and obstruction and recklessness. If the Republican Party
would come together behind some realistic ideas, they might have some success.
But where have the ideas been? Bobby Jindal, a Republican governor, has called
his own party the stupid party. I must say, I agree with him.
@ Kent C. Deforrest. The facts you don't like disturb you don't they?
Only "your" facts matter and all others need to tone it down, right? I
invite you to consider the possibility that your ideology has blinded you to
some other obvious facts.
I oppose almost everything coming from the current misadministration. I think
BO is the most divisive, least qualified, and worst president in our history. I
refer to him by his initials, or as potus, but never as “your
president” despite my personal feelings for him.BO won
re-election in part by being divisive.And of course BO was not born
in Africa – after watching his fiscal activities, we KNOW he had to have
been born in Greece! (joke)Roland,Do you think BO saying,
“the republicans can come along if they want, but they’ll have to
ride in the back of the bus” or calling the GOP “terrorists”
has ANYTHING at all to do with the vitriol leveled against him? What has BO,
nancy, or harry done to encourage bipartisanship?Joeblow,Did
Boehner say those things, or are you attributing others’ comments to
Boehner? As for BO lying, we can cite numerous instances.Kent,Quoting nancy is not repeating talk radio. Are you also encouraging nancy and
harry tone it down? I didn't think so.Lew,Well
intentioned? What he has done despite GOP opposition indicates otherwise.
The things his opponents said about George Washington are unprintable. It's
an old American tradition to hate the President. Is this a great country or
Irony GuyYes, this is a great country and you are right that the
worst things have and are being said about Presidents since Washington.
It's just that now that the liberals have as President a man they believe
is somehow special and should be treated differently than any other President,
they are having fits when he is criticized. And as I pointed out above, when
Bush was in they sounded like the right does now. Good for them. Good for us.
As Hillary said when Senator, they have a right to criticize a President. We
anti-Obama people are just doing what Hillary herself said we should do. This
is all so normal for American politics. Why does the left think it now should
be different? I think when the dust settles on this President, he will have
been a Salieri in a world of Mozarts.
I didn't vote for him last time, I don't support him and he
doesn't support me.
Ok, he's my Pres., he is too ideological, a dreamer who imagines America
can absorb tremendous debt; I'd prefer a realist, a William F Buckley
Conservative...I remember J. Carter was a good Sunday School teacher who gave us
18% mortgage interest rates, & now here is B. Obama wrecking the credit of
our nation with his lack of understanding of economics...he's my Pres. But
I didn't vote for him, Mitt R. would have done so much better.
While the vitriol on both sides of the political spectrum enfuriates me and I
wish we could "all just get along," anyone who thinks any of this is new
needs to go back and restudy American political history.As bad as it
is now, it was far, far worse 150 years ago or more. Look at some of what was
thrown at William Henry Harrison - even Lincoln was called horrible names by
many of his contermporaries. The rhetoric used in much of our past was truly
Lew Scannon: Since you disagree with my characterization of President Obama as
the "most divisive" president, perhaps you can give us some examples of
where he has tried to bring the country together or at least listen to what the
other half of the country has to say.Just give us your "Top
5" examples where he did any of the following:1) Praised
business owners for taking risks, employing workers, and paying lots of
taxes.2) Showed respect for anyone who has religious convictions or likes
the second amendment.3) Made any attempt to get spending and the debt
under control.4) Listened to a proposal from the other side without
dismissing it out of hand.5) Reached across the aisle and actually talked
WITH congressional Republicans instead of AT them through the media.BTW: Just taking liberal policies like Obamacare and insisting that they are
somehow based on conservative ideals (e.g. saying it is just like Romneycare)
While it may be uniquely American to "hate the President," as Iron Guy
above states, there nothing "Mormon" about the unfounded hatred and
vitriol aimed at President Obama every day on these pages by otherwise good,
decent people.As a people we hold ourselves to a higher standard in
how we dress, how we behave, what we watch, even what we eat and drink.Should we not also hold ourselves to a higher standard in how we treat those
properly elected to represent us. As a brother in a Sacrament
Meeting in my ward said last year, "leading my family is tough, I can only
imagine how difficult it is to lead an entire country."
liberaleastcoast,you KNOW we hate the man and not just his
policies?What a gift you must have to know the thoughts and intents
of our hearts!personally, I feel sorry for him - he is in so far
over his head, and the only way he was able to get re-elected was through
creating divisions, even bragging about leading class warfare. What a sad,
pitiful, little man. Yes, he deserves our sympathy.
Richard, I agree, but only to a certain extent. President Obama is different:
I don’t think we’ve ever before had a president who fundamentally
dislikes this nation and actually appears to be doing things to undermine it.
I also do not believe that Obama was “duly elected by
legitimate processes.” One of the big reasons Obama won is because of
the corrupt things that he and his supporters did behind the scenes. The IRS
scandal, as just one example, seriously harmed the ability of conservative
groups to be on equal footing in the election. Yes, Obama is the
president of all of us, but he is also BAD for all of us. It will take a lot
of time and effort to recover from the serious damage he has inflicted on this
JoeCapitalist2: "Just give us your "Top 5" examples where he did any
of the following: 2) Showed respect for anyone who has religious
convictions..."You couldn't be more wrong. President Obama
has bent over backward (and forward) to the people of the Muslim religion. He
has heaped praise on them and provided billions in financial aid for them to
fight their enemies. He couldn't possibly show more respect for them.
m.g. scott said: You should have seen it yesterday. Speaker Bohener goes on TV
for about 3 minutes and says we are trying to do what is best for the American
people and to reach an agreement. He was lying only e and cantor can now
stop this...Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), presiding over the
chamber, told Van Hollen that the rule he was asking to use had been
"altered" and he did not have the privilege of bringing that vote to the
floor. In the ensuing back and forth, Chaffetz said the recently passed House
Resolution 368 trumped the standing rules. Where any member of the House
previously could have brought the clean resolution to the floor under House Rule
22, House Resolution 368 -- passed on the eve of the shutdown -- gave that right
exclusively to the House majority leader, Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia."The Rules Committee, under the rules of the House, changed the standing
rules of the House to take away the right of any member to move to vote to open
the government, and gave that right exclusively to the Republican Leader,"
said Van Hollen. "Is that right?""The House adopted that
resolution," replied Chaffetz.
JoeCap:When the president is opposed on everything, even on stuff
that no other president in history has been opposed on, just because the other
party is sworn to destroy him, what do you expect him to do? Roll over and give
in to all the demands of the Republicans? Well, he's done that enough.
I'm just glad to see him stand his ground on this latest round of insanity
from the tea-wingers.I don't consider Obama one of the stronger
presidents in my lifetime. But I do consider the snow job the Republicans and
right-wing media have pulled off to be the most obscene of my lifetime. I get
right-wing publications sent to me from time to time. It's like visiting
Mr. Davis seems to be unfamiliar with the duties of the President of the United
States. He does not "represent" us. He represents the federation of
States to the world. He makes treaties with other nations (which must be
approved by the Senate). In no way has he been elected to represent the people
of the United States. We have Representatives in the House whose duty it is to
"represent" us.A false premise automatically leads to a
false conclusion. Obama "represents" himself only. He signed ObamaCare
over the objections of 59% of the people. Today, he is holding America hostage
to keep ObamaCare in force, even though he refuses to implement it.
" I don’t think we’ve ever before had a president who
fundamentally dislikes this nation and actually appears to be doing things to
undermine it. "I doubt anyone in this country truly believes
that , including you.
Lew: "...what do you expect him to do? Roll over and give in to all the
demands of the Republicans? Well, he's done that enough."OK. Forget about 5 examples. Please just give me ONE real example where Obama
has done anything close to what you just said. "He's done enough."
is not an example.It is only when he is completely backed into a
corner and has no other choice (like with the sequester), that he will agree to
anything the GOP wants. Even then, he told us it would be the end of the world
if it happened.
The tide is sweeping over the tea party thankfully.
Pity all you want Lost in DC but I think what church leaders wanted with their
statement following the 2012 election was for us to pray for our leaders.
For once I might actually agree with the Tea-Party Gun Lobby.Let's let the Republicans and Democrats in Congress handle it the good
old fashion way -- A Duel.ala, Secretary of the Treasury
Alexander Hamilton and sitting Vice President Aaron Burr, on July 11, 1804.
It is a given the left and right are going to be less objective about issues,
but independent voters are more pragmatic. Right now the republicans are losing
the independent voters based on recent polling. Instead of "sticking to
their guns", the republicans need to consider "reloading their guns"
with a different tactic and a different vision...like solving problems.
I find it hard to believe that Bush Jr. was elected, and even harder to believe
that Obama was.
I don't know if some of the people just started paying attention to
politics when Obama took office but.... I have been paying attention to it a
long time, and I can assure you there were a LOT more "He's not MY
President" posts when Bush was in office than there is now.And
it was just as bad for the country back then as it is now. But now we see the
same people and posters who were saying that back then... crying about how
it's hurting the country now (when THEY were the people doing it just a few
years ago).I have no respect for that.Bush was
everybody's President. And so is Obama.But these Democrats
who couldn't accept Bush's election and kept saying "He's not
MY President... I didn't vote for him... I hope he fails", etc... now
getting upset that just a FEW people are acting the way many of them did during
the last administration... just shows how biased some people can get.IMO... If you ever said or thought, "He's not MY President"
during Bush Admin... you have no room to complain now.
The letter is wrong. It isn't the attitude of the people that are hurting
and polarizing the nation. It is the President himself. See the Washington
Times article "Gallup: Obama hits record high for polarizing
politics".If we want the partisanship to end, it has to come
from the top down.We need to seek out politicians who have a desire
to do what is best, and not politically expedient. Cruz and Lee showed that
they have the moral aptitude to stand up for their constituants no matter what
the cost. When has Obama or most any other politician done anything similar?
So when exactly was the last time Obama made an effort to work with the other
side? He sits there and says he won't negotiate and then the GOP is being
unreasonable? GWB tried numerous times, but got knifed in the back, just like
his Father did on the tax pledge.Obama is "my way or the
highway" and "I will selectively enforce the laws whenever I want."
Yes he is my President, but he has been inflicted on me by people who think
they know what is best for me. Please take your hope and change and leave my
To "one vote" you think? Fortunately for the US, you are wrong. The
states are moving TOWARDS the Tea Party. See "The conservative shift in
public opinion has happened in all 50 states" in the Washington Post.
Lost in DC, you talk about lying: "As for BO lying, we can cite numerous
instances." and yet you make this claim:Do you think BO saying,
the republicans can come along if they want, but they’ll have to ride in
the back of the bus. . . “ Not only is the quote you provide
not accurate (Can show where you got this actual quote you attribute to
President Obama? I don't think so), it is wildly out of context.While campaigning the president used a metaphor many times of the economy
being like a car that the Republicans had driven into the ditch and now, after
the Democrats had pushed it out, wanted the keys back. He never mentioned a bus,
like you claim, with all the racial overtones that carries. This is
an example of his metaphor, and Republicans riding in the back, in context, from
Political Correction, Fact Checking The Sunday Shows, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX)
Repeated Glenn Beck-Inspired Lie About President Obama's Stump Speech -
October 31, 2010:
I know that Al Franken talked to you a little bit about the analogy of a car
being driven into the ditch -- although I guess Al embellished it a little
bit. He said there were alligators down there -- (laughter) -- I
didn't see the alligators. But it is true the car went into the
ditch. (Laughter.) And it is true that me and Al and Amy and Mark
and others, we had to climb down into the ditch. And it is hot down there
and dirty. And we've been pushing that car, pushing it, pushing
it, pushing it. The whole time the Republicans have been standing on the
sidelines. (Laughter.) They've been looking down, fanning
themselves, sipping on a Slurpee. (Laughter.) Kicking dirt down into the
ditch. Kicking dirt in our faces. But we kept on pushing.
(Applause.) Finally we got this car up on level ground. And,
yes, it's a little beat up. It needs to go to the body shop.
It's got some dents; it needs a tune-up.
But it's pointing in the right direction. And now we've got the
Republicans tapping us on the shoulder, saying, we want the keys back.You
can't have the keys back. You don't know how to drive.
(Applause.) You can ride with us if you want, but you got to sit in the
backseat. (Laughter.) We're going to put middle-class America
in the front seat. We're looking out for them. (Applause.)
I mean, you have noticed, when you want to go forward, what do you
do with your car? You put it in "D." If you want to go
backwards, what do you do? You put it in "R." (Laughter and
applause.) I don't want to go backwards. I'm going
forwards, with all of you. (Applause.) Minnesota,
because of the steps we've taken, we no longer face the possibility of a
second depression. The economy is growing again. We've seen
nine straight months of private sector job growth. But we've still
got a long way to go. [President Obama Remarks, 10/23/10 via
“The states are moving TOWARDS the Tea Party. See "The conservative
shift in public opinion has happened in all 50 states" in the Washington
Post.”Yeah. That article says nothing about the Tea Party. It
talks about the country turning more conservative. And the most recent
information it has is from 2012. Other information is from 2010, and 2000- 2004.
It does say this: What does the public’s conservative shift
suggest for future public opinion? That depends a lot on the 2016 election. The
public’s policy preferences typically move in the opposite direction of
public policy (especially for policies related to government spending). Thus, if
a Republican is elected president in 2016 and policy shifts in a conservative
direction, we should expect a liberal turn in public opinion.So what
does the public actually feel about the tea party? From pew, two
days ago: “The Tea Party is less popular than ever, with even
many Republicans now viewing the movement negatively. Overall, nearly half of
the public (49%) has an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party, while 30% have a
favorable opinion.”- Tea Party’s Image Turns More Negative
To "mark" FYI, the Tea Party represents conservative interests in
government. If the states are not moving towards socialism
(liberalism/Progressivism), and are moving towards the right. That means they
are moving TOWARDS the Tea Party.