A nice as it was to be in a conference and be able to compete for a conference
championship, it's even nicer to have the MTN debacle behind us.ESPN/BYUtv is a winning combination for all BYU fans and now that the initial
scheduling difficulties have been overcome, its fun seeing the array of national
opponents Tom is lining up. As a member of the MWC, what fan could have imagined
BYU playing Texas, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Boise State all in
the same season.Eventually, it would be nice to see BYU join the Big
12 and be able to compete for a conference championship again, but in the
meantime, Independence and ESPN/BYUtv is working.
Being able to watch the games again no matter where in the world you are is why
I love Independence. I also like the variety of programs we are getting to see.
There are at least six meaningful opponents on the schedule each year compared
to three or four that we had in the past. The only thing I do miss is playing
Air Force. I had hoped BYU would have scheduled Army or Navy quickly. That
hasn't happened. BYU should go after the 2016 Army game at Yankee Stadium
before Notre Dame takes it.
Yes the ESPN deal is good and the games BYU gets are better than before. But
the game times are harder. Friday Nights, Saturday Nights, regular changes in
game times. I guess what makes BYU a good target is not only the audience but
also the flexibility. But the key for BYU still remains winning -
the loss to Virginia and Utah have taken what could have been a significant
season and made it interesting at best. Game to Game it is still an exciting
challenge but the end result is predetermined - a Bowl Game in SF. It is not the Conference Championship I miss - it is the uncertainty of the
outcome of the season as a whole. Notre Dame deals with it I guess I can too.
It would be nice if I could get ESPNu in HD.
@True BlueGiving up independence for the Big12 just doesn't
make sense. We would lose the flexibility we have in scheduling, and more
importantly may not retain the rights to the rebroadcasts of the games. Those
rights are critical from a church perspective. BYU is an international brand
that only will continue to grow because of BYU sports being broadcast around the
globe. BYU is the most recognized University in Africa and South America
currently. Market shares are growing in Asia and Europe. The exposure that
football brings to the university and church opens doors. A chance
at a conference championship isn't worth giving up what BYU currently has
even if it was for the BIG 12. Get rebroadcast rights and play only 8
conference games during the season then BYU should give up Independence. Unless
that happens, BYU has the best thing going for it.
Yeah but if BYU doesn't start winning more then all of their games will get
pushed to ESPNU and we'll be back to square one.
Steven,I agree with all you wrote and I would also like to see the Y
schedule the service academies!!!Go Cougs beat Houston!!!
Steve Jarvis,Are you kidding?You prefer BYU stay
independent and not be a Big 12 member (should the invite come) and be left out
of the multi millions of $ that come with being a member?No question
that BYU made the right decision leaving the MWC for Independence with ESPN as a
critical partner, but being a Big 12 or other major conference member will FAR
OUTWEIGH any benefit to BYU staying independent.Disclaimer: I am a
BYU alum who contributes to BYU each year.
As a member of the Utah National Guard and Cougar fan it was great to have
access to all the games while I was deployed. I can't say that my fellow
soldiers who are Ute fans were as happy as I was but then again they did have
their PAC 12 t-shirts that they wore to the gym on game day.
Regardless - we need to get out of the WWC and into a real conference for
I think that the ESPN deal is both good and bad. I do not care so much about the
times, but we do not really even play in ESPN, we get relegated to the lower
tier ESPN U and ESPN News channels. If BYU could get onto some of the more
premiere channels of ESPN, that would be better I feel. I guess in the
end, since I have season tickets, it is rare that I even watch a game on TV.
Ask the question:Would BYU fans rather be in a good conference like
the Big 12 or assure that all their independent games stay on one of the ESPN
channels? Most fans want a conference and get what they deserve at the end of
the season. There is a good chance that BYU could go 8-4 this year. If BYU ended
the year 8-4 in the Big 12 or Pac 12, they would be playing in the Cotton,
Alamo, Holiday or Sun Bowl against really good teams rather than playing in S.F.
(against a mediocre team) in the Winter.
I for one, hate independence. It is boring football. There is nothing to cheer
for because as long as they are bowl eligible (6 wins) they will be going to a
po-dunk bowl. They will never be invited to a BCS bowl without being in a big
conference. It is not ever going to happen. Sure they get to play lots of
different teams, but I like rivalries. I like the consistency of playing in a
conference and competing to win that conference each year. It makes the seasons
fun to watch. And for those who think that the rest of the country
thinks BYU is relevant, you are kidding yourselves. Without a conference BYU is
just as important to them as Navy each year. And the polls show it. Even Utah
State has more street cred than BYU does now.
Indemak"Would BYU fans rather be in a good conference like the
Big 12 or assure that all their independent games stay on one of the ESPN
channels?"There is no question that BYU fans want to be in a
conference. It will be tough for BYU unless the conferences agree to allow the
BYU teams to not play Sunday games. BYU fans have very little say in what
happens to where the team plays. The mission of the church is to spread the
gospel and there is much more visibility on international channels like ESPN and
the channels owned by the LDS church. It may be a tough sale on both sides.There may also be another shakeup in college football that allows a
breakoff of Big 12, Pac 12, Big 10 that would allow entrance to BYU. Just
@Steven A big 12 conference affiliation is MUCH preferred to
independence. I am not saying that Independence is a bad thing I really enjoy
it, but if the big 12 came calling we would jump on so fast. the money
difference is huge, and scheduling is big, not to mention the recruiting would
increase exponentially, especially in Texas. I love where we are at but will
take a conference deal any day.@VladhagenDoes it really
make that big a deal which espn channel we are on? They are all lumped together.
I don't judge which games to watch by what ESPN channel its on. just push
channel up button once and you are there. @IndemakGood
point. Plus the big 12 generally gets a couple teams in a BCS game and we split
the revenue from those bowls.
Independence has been an interesting experiment, but I don't see it as a
viable long-term arrangement. I see some of these scheduling announcements for
2022 and what not, and I don't even read further because hopefully the Y
will find a conference before then. Playing Colorado State and
Wyoming each year may not have been the most glamourous games, but at least
there was a long-time, familiarity-breeds-contempt edge present. The lower level
WAC/MWC teams hated BYU for its long-term success. When Georgia Tech comes to
town, it's a neat novelty, but there's no history there. Same this
week . . we're playing undefeated Houston, and I'm mildly interested,
but there really isn't anything riding on it. BYU made a bold
move and it has been, on the whole, a success, but if we're still
scrambling to fill a schedule in 2020, I'll be officially bummed.
Blastfromthepast. Currently all PAC 12 games are available on multiple
platforms, including streaming. The PAC learned from both the MTN and the Big
12 network setups and has done a remarkable job of creating the network. The
real issue for BYU will come if the football winds change to exclude non-AQ
conference members in the playoff system. I think that is a real possibility.
The problem is, none of those big guys will tinker with their schedule to
accommodate non-Sunday play for BYU. So that puts them in a tough position for
Independence is great for now. I don't think there will be a lot of
conference shake-up until the next round of tv contract negotiations for
conferences (I think around 2017-2018). I think the most viable option in the
end is for BYU to be a football member only of either the Pac-12 or the Big-12
(several college football writers think this is a possibility).I think
this would be great for BYU and which ever conference would do it. You get a
large fan base program, that is usually a good program, a large seating
capacity, and a decent sized tv market with Utah (and other national BYU
fans).This would also allow BYU to keep it's other sports from
competing on Sunday.
Everyone needs to remember the primary mission of BYU sports is not to make
money, but to generate more exposure for the LDS Church. To that end, the deal
with ESPN, as well as independence, has succeeded beyond the Churches wildest
expectations. Even if a game is "relegated" to ESPN News, it still
offers greater exposure and audience than the MTN ever did. Even a Big 12
membership would be hard pressed to provide the vehicle ESPN provides to help
the LDS Church accomplish its primary goal regarding BYU Sports. In
addition, BYU isn't the only team that has late kick off times. USC's
game against AZ had a late start and it's upcoming game against OR ST also
will have a late start. It's not just BYU. I bet if you go through each
PAC-12 school, you'll see that most have two or three games with a 7:30 or
later kick off as well as many PAC-12 games are broadcasted on Fox Sports 1 and
playing on the PAC-12 network isn't exactly the same as playing on ESPN.BYU's doing great and things will only continue to get better.
@Thinkman,I have a different perspective than most. BYU's rights to rebroadcast its games have a higher monetary value than
being in any conference does. That is likely the reason discussions with the
Big12 went nowhere. BYU has made its brand what it is
internationally mostly based on replays of games back in the old WAC games of
the 80s. Those games have been replayed countless times. Think Utah fans are
tired of reliving 1984? 1984 is how many people around the world believed BYU
was in football until BYU became independent and took control of its TV rights
to rebroadcast. While many US fans yearn for a conference BYU will
not join one unless they have those TV rights to rebroadcast. I would like 8
games so we can schedule four games regionally (California, East Coast, etc),
but that is my own preference. Rebroadcast rights are likely the reason BYU
If you only get ESPN or ESPN2 forget about watching BYU right now and flip on
your internet radio. Some cable networks only carry those two stations in the
basic cable package. It's great that they're getting better air time
but, depending on who they play (ie. Notre Dame, Wisconsin, etc.), they're
still ESPN bottom feeders - but at least they are in the programming discussion
now. Like Holmoe said, though, they can improve their air time if they win their
games. I want to believe that is a long-term prodiction.
You had better get used to Independence. The Big 12 window of opportunity has
been closed for good thanks to BYU's arrogance. I believe they have moved
on and don't see that opportunity returning.
LoveTheKittens"It would be nice if I could get ESPNu in
HD."All you have to do is call Comcast and request ESPNU in HD.
I love ESPN's coverage and BYUTV's rebroadcasts. best of both worlds!
The Watch Dog"If you only get ESPN or ESPN2 forget about
watching BYU right now and flip on your internet radio. Some cable networks only
carry those two stations in the basic cable package."Who cares
about "basic"? If you're a true BYU fan, paying a few bucks a month
to watch BYU football is not a big deal. The extra cost to get ESPNU is far less
than the cost of one ticket for one game.
@ Stringer BellNo door is ever closed. If BYU gets a conference a better
TV contract then BYU has a home. Main reason why conferences expanded in the
first place was money and championship games.
I think the MWC had a bad tv deal in the past, but now looking at all the Utah
State games this year the MWC has a decent tv deals with CBS sports and USU even
had a game on CBS which more people have access to than ESPN. I think being
independent was good for BYU at the time but I think a conference would be
better now than being indy.
Yes BYU belongs in a conference, and without question AD Tom Holmoe & Cecil
Samuelson wanted to get into the Big 12 just over 2 years ago. Politics at LDS
Church headquarters as much or more than the "no Sunday play" rules
(media partners indicate BYU will work in larger leagues with more scheduling
options) sadly put the kibosh on this. There are those in LDS Church leadership
who strongly feel BYU should remain an undergraduate focused university and feel
that the school moving into larger more affluent leagues like the Big 12 or
Pac-12 would threaten this. Similarly they feel BYU should never detract from
the mission of state schools, and BYU being in the Big 12 along with Utah in the
Pac-12 would totally bury Utah State University potentially lowering their
relevance to the levels of Utah Valley, Weber State or Southern Utah
Universities. Consequently Holmoe had no choice but to craft this interim
independence solution given the political hand he's been dealt with.
Thanksfully Holmoe has had the brand value built up over the past 40 years to be
able to have this option with ESPN.
Love Lavell, but I disagree that a conference championship is a big deal when
that conference has weak teams. It's not so much a victory as an
expectation. Boring. I've talked to many BYU players and they
consistently find independence it's own challenge with differing standards
for calling a season a good season. And losing one or two or even three games
does NOT end the challenges for a season any more than if you were independent.
Utah, for example, pretty much has zero chance of going to a Rose Bowl, but,
there is much to work for despite not even a division crown.Love
Bronco too, but, I don't think he's right when he says Utah being in
the PAC12 doesn't give Utah an advantage. I suspect that should BYU be in
the Big 12 some of the 4 star recruits BYU is barely missing out on would land
here. Can't prove it, but from comments players have made, that is
Hey, you monkeys carping about a heirachy of the various ESPN channels should
just relax. No one cares or differentiates which ESPN channel you are on...they
are ALL carried on cable/satellite equally and they all have big name schools
sprinkled throughout. Which one of you discards other non-BYU games because
they come on ESPNU or whatever? DIfferent on ESPN3 --computer based online
garbage...I can't make that even work...
So Bronco's love and dedication to our former quarterback could have been
very expensive. I'm sure ESPN was not happy with the kind of teams we
fielded in 2011 and 2012. A great defense was wasted on an offense that could
not have won the WAC championship. Now we're starting over, but actually
going back to the 2010 offense. We're back to a lack of imagination in
the offense. Why not hire a REAL offensive coordinator and then our value to
ESPN would grow. That is exactly what Utah did when it became clear that and
experienced man was needed. They are getting their money's worth.
I have to challenge the writer's assertion that the Pac 12 Network's
distribution issues are anywhere close to what happened with the mtn. The Pac
12 Network is on basic cable in every market in the Pac 12 area and most
nationwide. Dish Network also carries it in basic packages nationwide. Yes,
missing out on DirectTV bites, but doesn't come close to the obscurity
under which the mtn operated. Also, the Pac 12 Network is HD and is very
professionally produced. In addition to this, the Pac 12 TV deal includes games
on ESPN and Fox giving the Pac 12 access to Fox broadcast channels and Fox
Sports 1. The writer may have missed the fact that the Utah - USU game was the
first college football game televised on Fox Sports 1. The Utes have had one
other game on that network with all others on ESPN, ESPN2 or the Pac 12 Network.
BYU has had at least two games hidden away on ESPNU this season. I'll take
the Pac 12 any day.
Mormon Ute"BYU has had at least two games hidden away on ESPNU
this season."LOL at mischaracterization of ESPNU.ESPNU is available nationwide in approximately 75 million households and has
long-term carriage agreements with all 10 of the top multichannel TV providers
– Cablevision, Charter, Comcast, Cox, DirecTV (Channel 208), DISH Network
(Channel 141), Mediacom, Time Warner Cable, Verizon FiOS TV and AT&T
U-verse.The PAC 12 Networks are available nationwide in
approximately 48 million households, but 20 million DirecTV subscribers still
can’t get the Pac-12 Networks.
For $10 more per month, about the cost of popcorn and a drink at a movie
theater,anyone who's interested can get ESPNU with Comcast's
Digital Preferred Package.Fans making a big deal about how
"inaccessible" ESPNU is because it's not included in the basic tier
of channels are just blowing smoke.
Another BYU/ESPN article huh? It sounds to me like Cougar fans don't have
much to look forward to these days. 1) They already lost their first
game in week 1 to Virginia (which ended their season).2) They lost
to their big brother for the 4th straight year.3) It doesn't
matter what they do the rest of the season. They'll wind up in the same
mediocre bowl game they have contracts with.All BYU fans and sports
writers can talk about is BYU's ESPN deal. That's all the cougies
The problem I have with ESPNU is that it has the worst announcers and the worst
technical package on ESPN. (Fewer cameras, longer shots.)
Great article, it cleared a o lot of issues up about the byU split from the MWC,
I always thought it was because of Todd Christesen's commentating.
I am not sure why you would bash the PAC 12's distribution, their deal is
amazing they get more national coverage than any other conference with three
networks carrying their programing. I wish DirectTV would get off their high
horse and agree to the deal like everybody else but all the same 70 million
homes is nothing to sneeze at. Bottom line both schools have great
national coverage. end of story.
Amazing how the ESPN deal and the desire for teams to be on ESPN, gets BYU two
for one deals. That is not a great deal. The only ones who really want to be
on ESPN, are the Idaho States of the world. Other BCS teams still get
2:1's. That's the power of being in a BCS conference.I
think our Big12 chances have set sail, never to return due to some TV rights
that BYU was not willing to negotiate on.
@wazzupstanford series 2:2 USC 1:1 those are not 2:1 s sorry
@bleeding CrimsonI am sure most BYU fans are pretty excited about
the remaining match-ups against Boise State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and a 5-0
Houston team. BYU fans aren't like some fan bases. We support the team no
matter what. The same goes for basketball. Having a one-win season didn't
decimate attendance. Can Utah say the same?
@Steven S Jarvis"BYU fans aren't like some fan bases."One word; Lemming
I think it's neat we get $6,000,000M to $8,000,000M every game!CHaching! That's a ton of money.
Ernest T. BassSorry, not even close. you get 6-8 million a season
Ken Lee, Solomon Levi and all you others who think there is no difference
between ESPNU and ESPN's other channels. You better check your listings.
I have Comcast Digital Basic, which is one step above the most basic of all
packages Comcast offers and I don't have ESPNU. I only get ESPN and ESPN2.
To get ESPNU I have to upgrade to Digital Preferred and pay a higher price. I
was told that ESPNU is in about half as many homes as ESPN and ESPN2 as a result
of being part of the preferred package on Comcast and most satellite providers.
It doesn't bother me, because none of the Ute's games have been on
ESPNU. My understanding of the Pac 12 broadcast deal is that the games will be
on ESPN, ESPN2, one of the Fox channels or on the Pac 12 Net. I have all of
those on my Digital Basic package so I'm happy.
Kinda of funny when someone asks a question about independence and someone else
responds with "there is no question..." Clearly there is a question.
I'm on the side of independence and agree with others that the mission of
the the school/church trumps conference championships. BYU just sent one guy in
the first round to the NFL, with another potential early rounder this year, my
point being that the players aren't losing out on professional
opportunities as a result of independence. Alumni around the country have an
opportunity of an BYU game against a local school instead of the fixed schedule
of a conference deal. Candidly, I just don't see what the big deal about a
conference affiliation is now that BYU has proven that they can get the TV
coverage and quality opponents on the schedule. Maybe it's an age thing? I
graduated from BYU in 1982 and there were plenty of conference championships to
enjoy and eventually expect in the WAC.I believe there are schools out there
that don't want to come to Provo to play BYU because of the likelihood of a
loss ala Miami. Independence is working for me.
Steven S Jarvis,Bad move. You can't back that up with any sort
of facts, because they don't exist. Your fan base is the most fickle in
the state. You couldn't even sell out LES for Lavell's last game.
During the Gary Crowton years my Bishop was getting a letter from BYU before
every home game offering $1 tickets to Church youth groups for activities. The
same goes for basketball. During and shortly after that one win season the same
offer was being made to Bishops for basketball games. If your arena and stadium
were full, it wasn't with fans paying full price. It was a bunch of kids
from the wards on the Wasatch front who were there with their youth leaders on
the Church's dime. Meanwhile, we've been selling out RES for nearly
every home game for years. We have one of the highest sell out rates in the
Country. We also have one of the highest renewal rates for season ticket
holders and that has been going on for at least 5 years. The last three years
it's been almost 100%.
Mormon UteSomething to considerwould Utah sell out a 64,000 seat
stadium as often as BYU?not poking fun just a question to think about. If
I lived in Utah I would love to go to these games, but I can't.
Mormon Ute"Ken Lee, Solomon Levi and all you others who think
there is no difference between ESPNU and ESPN's other channels."Why do you have to make stuff up in order to feel good about yourself?
Nobody said there's no difference between ESPNU and ESPN/ESPN2. What they
said was it's not that hard or expensive to get ESPNU. The Digital
Preferred package is only $10 more per month than the Digital Basic package
through Comcast. It's likely very similar in price on other cable/satellite
systems and is available nationwide in 75 million homes, which is much wider
distribution than the PAC 12 networks.As far as fickle fans go, look
no further than a couple of blocks east of RES, where the Huntsman Center has
been a vast sea of empty red chairs for years.
I can't help but compare BYU to the University of New Mexico, which is
still reeling from the after-effects of the "The mtn" debacle in the
MWC. At one time, I was more a UNM fan than a BYU fan, but that has all changed
now, and for one reason: UNM is hardly ever on TV, even its men's
basketball team (which has been better than BYU for a number of years now, and
may still be this year), and when it ~is~ on TV, it's almost always on a
local channel that is little better than community access. One may tout the
advantages of belonging to the PAC-12 or the Big 12 (although a lot more people
get ESPNU and ESPN News than Fox-1 or whatever network the Utah-Stanford game
was on [was it on TV?]), but there simply is no question that BYU was better off
leaving the MWC when it did. And I'm sure there are a lot of formerly
lukewarm BYU fans like me for whom the ability to see the Cougs on TV has made
them significantly more loyal.
It's refreshing that ESPN is showing its respect to BYU. BYU helped ESPN
grow from its start and it's great to see ESPN recognize that BYU is an
important brand nationwide.A whole different topic...I love football
but can't stop thinking that is the sacrifice of dozens of players'
health a worthy goal for BYU to continue sponsoring football? It's been a
great source of exposure for the Church but at what cost? It seems like it
should be reviewed...
I realize that I may be asked to surrender my 'man card' by saying
this, but I don't care about football.....college, pro or any other kind of
it. Ditto for golf, baseball, soccer, basketball, or even (gasp) bass
fishing.Call me a wimp, but I gave up on all sports years ago and
have many more hours each week to pursue my hobbies.
Hasn't the content in the article been told over and over again? Give us
something original, Mr. Teeples.
Uteanymous,Here's a quote from Ken Lee's comment:
"Hey, you monkeys carping about a heirachy of the various ESPN channels
should just relax. No one cares or differentiates which ESPN channel you are
on...they are ALL carried on cable/satellite equally and they all have big name
schools sprinkled throughout." That's what I was responding to. So
there you go. I wasn't making it up. You can go back to his comment to
see for yourself.To your point, being available and actually being
in those homes are two different things. The number of homes I was referring to
is the actual number of homes subscribed to that preferred package and I was
told it is about half the number that have the basic package. With the Pac 12
Network in 48 million homes (not just available, but actually on their package)
that is equal to or better than ESPNU or ESPN News.BeSmart,
that's a hypothetical question that nobody can answer. I don't think
RES will ever be expanded to 65,000. The trend right now in college footbal is
50,000 to 55,000 and I think that's where Utah will stop.
esodije,There's no doubt BYU is better off now than they were
in the MWC, but the author of the article took a swipe at Utah and the Pac 12 in
his third paragraph. That's what has gotten some of us to challenge him.
Utah vs Stanford was on the Pac 12 Network which is available from your cable
provider or Dish Network. Fox Sports 1 is the channel you are referring to and
we had two earlier games on that channel. It is available nationwide with the
same distribution as ESPN's main channel. The Pac 12 deal with Fox also
gives our teams access to Fox's main broadcast channel.
If byu fans like independence and their relationship with ESPN better than being
in a conference, fine. Run with it. What I don't understand is why the
local media has this driving need to continually and frequently put out articles
depicting how great byu's situation is. If it's so great, why the
non-stop sales campaign?I have to say, though,all the talk from byu
fans regarding sold out stadiums and high quality schedules does not hold up to
the facts. But, as I said, if you people are happy with it...
MyPerspectiveWhy do Utah fans constantly have to beat their chests
about being in the PAC 12?Everybody reading these blogs already
knows it.Could it be that you're still trying to validate your
PAC membership by pretending that you're actually a contender.btw, one upset win doesn't make you a contender. Check the standings.
You've only played 3 conference games and you're already 2 games
behind the PAC south leader whom you lost to. UCLA would have to lose 3 games
for the Utes to finish ahead of the Bruins.
Why do Utah fans read articles about BYU's partnership with ESPN only to
whine about them?
Mormon Ute --Of course, the other advantage BYU has is BYUtv, which
is not only part of a lot of people's cable/satellite packages in the U.S.
but is beamed all over the world. (I'm sure that's more attributable
to General Conference than to BYU athletics, but the effect is the same.)
Football independence and non-football membership in the WCC has enabled BYUtv
to broadcast or replay a lot of games that it might not otherwise be able to
show. And, personally, I like being able to watch the home games of the BYU
women's volleyball, women's soccer, and men's volleyball
teams--which I'd never get to see but for BYUtv.
Mormon UteYou're sadly mistaken if you think that a Utah game
"available" in some household outside of Utah's fan base really
draws much interest from sports fans in that household.Like it or
not, BYU has a national fan base that enjoys watching BYU sports wherever they
are. ESPN and BYUtv give them that option, even if the game is broadcast on
ESPNU.As much as you'd like to believe otherwise so you can
sleep at night, ESPN didn't sign BYU to a long-term contract just to
shuffle BYU games off to some place where they would be "hidden" away.
Mormon Ute,I raise hypothetical questions just for people to think about
it.I am not the type to say. Well Utah may sell out and get 45,000 to
games and BYU gets 60,000 to MTSU.I just want people to think before they
talk. My assumption is if both stadiums were the same size attendance would be
Mormon Ute"...the author of the article took a swipe at Utah and
the Pac 12 in his third paragraph.A little hyper-sensitive
aren't we? The author of the article no such thing. He simply stated that
PAC 12 fans were experiencing the same types of growing pains with their new
network as MWC fans did with The MTN."While Pac-12 fans are
partially living (or reliving) that nightmare this year, BYU is basking in the
glow of legitimate national television coverage every game of the
season.""Reliving" is obviously a reference to Utah fans
who had to put up with the same anxiety as they did with The MTN in not knowing
if they would be able to get the new PAC Network through their current cable or
satellite provider - if I'm not mistaken, the PAC Net still isn't
available on DirecTV.That's not a swipe, it's simply a
comparison of similar events.
phoenixGilbert, AZ said:"Mormon Ute.....As
much as you'd like to believe otherwise so you can sleep at night, ESPN
didn't sign BYU to a long-term contract just to shuffle BYU games off to
some place where they would be "hidden" away."Tell that
to Ads and school President's that are expecting more from ESPN. Their
games are being hidden away. ESPN has loaded up on contracts to keeps
conferences and schools from other networks. Even if that means not showing them
on TV. ESPN sounds like a fine business partner huh?
From the article:"a circle was drawn around three schools that
the network said it would take any time it could get them.BYU was
one of the three."For those who say that BYU is not a national
brand - or is not relevant on a national scale - the executives at ESPN would
beg to differ.
@TrueBlueESPN/BYUtv is a winning combination for all BYU fans and now that
the initial scheduling difficulties have been overcome.----------BYU 2014 Schedule:@UConn@TexasVirginiaHoustonUSU@UCF@BoiseNevada@Middle TennesseeSouthern MissUNLVSavannah State@Cal Lets see how
many Cougar fans like this schedule?
Minor recalls a meeting at ESPN where someone in programming listed 10
collegiate football programs on the board. He said that the numbers indicated,
and the network recognized, these schools as having national value from an
audience standpoint. Then, a circle was drawn around three schools that the
network said it would take any time it could get them.BYU was one of
the three.----------------Ironically the same thing
happened during SEC, PAC-12, Big 12, Big 10, and ACC expansions meetings.
Unfortunately, BYU never even made the list.
You're grasping at straws Uteology. ESPN executives have stated on numerous
occassions that they're very pleased with their partnership with BYU.Regarding the value of BYU's brand, either we can choose to believe
the word of a desperate BYU hater, or we can choose to believe the ESPN
executives who make a living televising college football.
Many of you Ute fans are intimating that BYU games are only on ESPNU or
ESPNNEWS. This is simply not true. According to the contract with ESPN, 3
games were to be broadcast on ESPN/2, one on ESPNU, and one on BYUTV. THis
year, BYU has three home games on ESPN/2, two on ESPNU and 1 on BYUTV. Two
ESPN2 and one ESPN game. It is true that there are two away games, one on ESPNU
and one on ESPNNEWS that are being covered by ESPN. That is out of BYU's
control since those are away games. Of course the Notre Dame game is on NBC and
there are two CBSSPORTS broadcasts, again away games and out of BYU's
Did Barack Obama's winning the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 enhance the
prestige of the award, given that he hadn't really done anything to merit
it outside of "not being George W. Bush"? Similarly, at least from this
BYU fan's perspective, Utah's invitation to join the PAC-12 was more a
reward for "not being BYU" than anything else in particular. If BYU has
been systematically excluded from consideration for membership in
"prestigious" conferences, it certainly has nothing to do with the
quality of its athletics; one look at the cellar-dwellers in those conferences
makes ~that~ self-evident. Rather, that discussion begins and ends with
pervasive bias against the LDS Church, whether from the left (liberal academics)
or from the right (Bible-thumping evangelicals). Any Ute fan with a shred of
self-awareness has to know this is true.
@UteanymousI never said anything about ESPN. I said the Big 5
conferences. Everyone wants Notre Dame, nobody as of yet wants BYU. I have always said BYU is a good fit for the Big 12. Good luck!@esodijeDid BYU winning a National Championship in 1984 enhance
the prestige of the title, given that they didn't really do anything to
merit it? NOPE! That is why we have the BCS.
UteologyBYU did plenty to deserve their 1984 National Championship -
they beat every team they faced and ended the season on a 24-game winning
streak, with back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and their FIFTH Top 12 finish in SIX
years.Get over your jealousy.
Mormon ute, I was in cedar city traveling and could not watch the utah UCLA game
because the hotel did not carry the channel. I was still in UTAH. Big
difference in PAC 12 tv deal and espn. Your deal is mostly regional, not
national. Go figure....
I have to respond to a misconception; BYU would do anything within reason the
get an invite to the B12, and hadn't the admin not been so timid BYU would
have offered to commit, if asked, in July of 2011. Compare BYU vs TCU, and the
money that could be added to the B12 coffers, no comparison, but when the 12 got
shaky with Mizzo and A&M moving out, BYU got very skittish failing to see
the ocean for the beach. Matt Tail writing for the Lawarence(KS) World wrote
about the situation after the result of the leagues President's 90 min
conference call. Yes, this was after the PAC was turned down by the bigs from
Tex and Okla. Sunday play has never been an issue. BYU is on the deep outside
currently but if offered, yes in a heartbeat. Just ask Tom Holmoe.
Lightning:Your narrative omits the reluctance that the Big-12
presidents had to invite another diva to the conference. Three's a crowd,
with Oklahoma and Texas around.
"Rather, that discussion begins and ends with pervasive bias against the LDS
Church, whether from the left (liberal academics) or from the right
(Bible-thumping evangelicals)."Always the victims. I'm
surprised you didn't blame the refs for BYU not being invited to a major
I can't find ESPNU or ESPNews.I am only thankful for BYUTV.