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Utah's national parks, Lake Powell to reopen Saturday

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  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    take back all utah lands. feds are not capable and have NO right overseeing it.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    They ought to either call it a loan and get reimbursement once the shutdown is over, or the state should be able to keep the proceeds from entry fees etc as long as the state is funding operations.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    @ute alumni

    How can you "take back" something you never owned to begin with?

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 10, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    adding to CHS's comment:

    ...unless, that is, you are an actual Ute.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Here's the rub, anything after the 13 original colonies that became the 13 original states have a unique relationship with the government, meaning that they were all FEDERAL territories that became states. Thus, states were created AFTER federal ownership, again the only exception being the 13 original states who were states BEFORE the Constitution under the Articles of Confederation. So Ute Alumni, I guess it was federal land first. I would agree with you that it would be great if some of this land was turned over to the states but the idea it was Utah's first isn't accurate entirely. In fact, as OBHU said, it really belonged to the Native Americans first and of course through reservations, they still have some control under FEDERAL jurisdiction...

  • HeberFYFA HEBER CITY, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    A good application of federalism. Finally some cooperation with government. Common sense will prevail, at least in the relationship of State and Federal government, in this area. Perhaps our congressmen and senators can learn from a bit of common sense and get the federal government back to work. If the sometimes competing executive branches of state and federal government can work things out, the senators and representatives ought to do the same.

    Senator Lee. Take notice. Maybe read Federalist papers #62 and #63 and learn what your role as Senator should be.

  • Martin Blank Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Sure wish the governor had the same level of concern for the welfare of the women and children on WIC that he has for business owners in the tourist zones. And now Urquart wants reimbursement if Utah takes over the parks? The mantra of the West continues: Stay out of my business, but give me more money.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Bill Senator Lee.

  • crazyfam10 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    Don't accept the government’s offer under these terms. The Park Service has been partisan through this whole fight trying to make the shutdown hurt more than it had to. This is a masterstroke maneuver on their part.

    States could run these parks using their own personnel at a minimal staffing level through the shutdown. The Park Service is going to run up the bill now paid by the state as fast as possible. Obama now looks like he’s compromised, but every state with a growing bill they can’t control will be pushing to end the shutdown so they can stop these costs being paid by the state. The Park Service gets their people paid, sheds the public relations disaster their heavy handed behavior created, and plants an incentive for the states to come in on behalf of their man in the White House.

    If they can’t use their own state personnel, the discretion about Park Service staffing levels should be left to the state Governors. Accept the government’s offer on those terms and call their bluff.

  • gittalopctbi Glendale, AZ
    Oct. 10, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    So now, Utahans are paying twice for the federal parks: fed taxes and state taxes. Hopefully, you can get reimbursed by the feds. Good luck on that one. But what's a state to do? Lose revenue from the parks' closure or pay to have them open and get some revenue generated. Tough call.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Pres. Obama has said that he will not agree to anything that would cause the government to pay ransom. But then he forces the states to pay ransom in order to open the national parks. What a 2 faced person he is. A real piece of work. We will be well rid of him in 2016 - I can hardly wait. Anyone would be better than him - even Hilary (tongue in cheek!).

  • Wildfan Ogden, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    That's amazing that Democrats are only concerned with entitlement programs and welfare. Here, hard working people have lost $3.5 million in 10 days, and the governor's plan to use Utah money is to stop that loss. Even if Utah doesn't get this national park money back, it's an investment that will clearly pay needed dividends to Utahs and the state through tourism dollars. Paying for federal welfare programs is money the state will never get back, and it's money Utahns have already paid in federal taxes, so we would end up paying for them twice.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    Obama is using his power and position to hurt the most vulnerable, the poor and everyday citizens and the veterans because he cant get his way.......he thinks himself a dictator and needs an education on checks and balances...The office of the POTUS is equal to either of the house or the senate and for good reason, as he has proved by his childish antics.....

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    Better to give the money directly to the affected counties to use as welfare for those impacted than to send it to Washington.

    You just have to understand that the Park Service will bill every single thing they can think of, plus a few more, and demand overtime and new gear, etc.

    Not a dime will be repaid by the feds, and Utah will not get a dime from admission fees collected by the feds. So, we will be paying federal taxes to run the parks, state taxes to run the parks, and still pay admission fees to get in the parks.

    A better course of action would be to tell the feds to get out of the way, and to use the Highway Patrol, or National Guard if necessary to open every road in the National Parks in Utah for vehicle traffic as a matter of public safety and access as RS 2477 roads. If the Park folks object, then just close down every highway outside of their park and keep them locked up inside.

    A little sagebrush rebellion is a good thing when tyrannical behavior is used against free people.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    Oct. 10, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    So many people are so easily governed.

    Remember the Alamo!

    Power to the People!

  • HBZion Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    I applaud Governor Herbert for helping our fellow Utahns. However, I hold Senator Lee and his ilk, as well as Utah's congressional delegation accountable for the cost. If the aforementioned did not shut down the federal government, the state coffers would not be needed to temporarily fund the National Parks. Our state government is an example to the nation. We need our Senior Senator, Orrin Hatch, to lead and help our other federal representatives to govern and stop the shut down.

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    Since they are going to be paid at the end of the Shutdown their paychecks should be direct deposited to the general fund of Utah. That shouldn't be to hard for the Treasury to do. Just stop all that money we sent to Washington in UTAH instead of shipping it to San Francisco and back again.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 12:28 a.m.

    While operation of these National Parks are paid for by State tax dollars, they should make the parks open to the public, no entrance fee. Advertise that admission is free. It might generate greater attendance and the businesses in the surrounding area that have been hurt by the closure might see a small gain. Our tax money, our rules. If the feds what the money they can open the parks, after all the park employees are getting paid for this time off.

    This shutdown is all a fraud, for political purposes. The federal government spending needs to be held within bounds. Thank you Sen. Lee for taking a stand to stop out of control spending.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 1:52 a.m.

    This is crazy! I don't remember ever signing on to this kind of nonsense. I pay taxes to bail out one group of people in Southern Utah because the nation is broke?

    Will the Governor and the State Legislature commit all of you fine taxpayers come to my rescue because I'm a contractor who lost over $100,000 in one day in 2008 because the owner of the building had his loan pulled by Zions Bank during Tarp one?

    Did I cry and scream because of the ineptness of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac? Did I run to the governor and ask for a bailout because my family was going hungry? No, I didn't, I sold my house back to the Bank that shafted my client and quadrupled my CC debt. I mothballed my company and went to work for whomever would pay me. I took nothing from the government. My wife supported us for the past five years. I paid my subs what I could, I still owe some of them.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 2:17 a.m.

    Continued:

    I struggled to do what I could do to hold onto my business and my home. I now have a little work that I hope will continue. None of you owe me a dime. I will not ask it of you. My experience in not your experience and I feel for everyone who falls on hard times, especially if it is beyond their control.

    Times are hard enough, some of you have not had to go through what I have and hope you don't but with all of that said no one has the right to steal away my resources that I have produced through hard work and thrift without my permission.

    I voluntarily give as much as I can but do not steal it away from me.

    We must all suffer the consequences of our government's ineptness, foolishness and sinister behavior.

    Debt is not equity, redistribution of wealth is not moral, hard times make the producers stronger and handouts make us dependent, the opposite of independent.

    Will we sell our birthright for a gulp from the public trough, or feast at the table of work and fortitude and stand independent, strong and free?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 3:17 a.m.

    This deal could end faster than it happened. The governor and the department of interior do not have the right or authority to contract with each other and makes this deal illegal. States cannot contract with federal government and buy federal services with blackmail or graft to gain favors.

    Southern Utah has just put all their eggs in one basket where tourism and leisure and entertainment are becoming less important in the lives of Americans living in poverty. Poverty is the state of the economy and we are victims of government greed that has enslaved our state to the federal government as subjects of the nation. The federal lands belong to 300 million americans, not 2.5 million welfare dependents in Utah.

    If Utah does send the interior department funds then the interior department has to prioritize how they spend this windfall $1.6 million dollars dumped in their laps. The interior departments use the money to grant people with property in the parks or houseboats on Lake Powell to remove them from the park so they don't get vandalized and destroyed. Having a houseboat on lake Powell I'd use the opportunity to remove it from the park ASAP.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 11, 2013 5:37 a.m.

    gittalopctbi - so your complaint is that Utah received the benefit of the federal parks, only paying proportionally a very small portion of the cost, and now Utah is having to pay the full cost..... that is what your complaining about. That this dysfunctional, can't do anything right federal government, was providing the economic engine to these tows... and was missed? And now Utah has to pay for that economic benefit?

    @Truth.... you just don't get it.... too worried about being angry it seems. This is checks and balances in action. Republicans want to kill existing law via the budget rather than modifying the law.... and can't get it done because they are the minority. If your old enough, we saw this same dance during Vietnam, roles being reversed. Obama is no more trying to be a dictator than was Nixon... no more than Lee is trying to be one either.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 6:00 a.m.

    Okay, so let me get this straight: Utah's GOP expect the feds to repay the state after the shutdown is over to cover the state's cost of running the national parks. BUT it is the GOP itching to get the entire country to default on its debt so that no gets paid... repaying Utah for running the parks will be very low priority when it comes to paying nation's bills post-default...

    With each passing day, the GOP is destined to lose the House in 2014...

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 11, 2013 6:38 a.m.

    While I am happy for the tourists, for the employees, and for the local business owners, something stinks! Arizona wanted to reopen the Grand Canyon and was told no.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Kudos to Governor Herbert for his leadership in getting something done - something so very lacking in the White House.

    The State of Utah should receive all the admission revenue or make entrance free as previously suggested. It is wrong for the NPS to receive revenue at Utah's expense.

    Also, SUWA continues its primary quest for relevance by chiming in and sadly the DN bought in. Maybe the DN could also get their opinion on the changes in the BCS...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    Utah is re-distributiong wealth and picking and choosing who to help because of the tea party tantrum.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 11, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    "redistribution of wealth is not moral"

    No one receives in proportion to what they pay - no one. They never had, and never will until we go to a pay for services model. Until then, this nirvana like tax utopia is impossible. You will never pay the fully loaded cost of what it takes to educate our kids, or provide safety to our citizens.

    It all sounds great as political rhetoric, but be really careful what you are asking for. You do not pay the full cost of providing the road outside your house.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    I applaud Governor Herbert for working out this deal with what appears to be a reasonable Department of the Interior. Well done on both sides. Rationality for all to see.

    If the State of Utah wants to be reimbursed for the cost of operating the parks, I would start with going after Mike Lee and the organizations and donors that supported his economic terror campaign. They'll probably exclaim, "we had no idea it would lead to this", but as the police are always quick to point out, ignorance is no excuse.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 11, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    Here is a better question.

    How can it cost over $20,000 to run one park for a day?

    Maybe that is what we need to be looking at.
    These parks should be self funding.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    Who knew Utah had such deep pockets. Are all the state parks that were previously closed now open? Are we fully maintaining our own facilities?

  • goinfishn Orem, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Governor Herbert could the state give the feds another $10.00 to open the restrooms and the few roads they have closed. I am sure that's all it would cost to open these facilities. Our Senator from Utah has really messed thing up. Please compromise Senator Lee. This is not the way to fight the ACA.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    To the outraged, did you think the parks were free?

    You're so blinded by your ideology that you don't believe the feds do anything to benefit you.

    I'm sure it costs easily over 100K to run Lake Powell for a single day, with all the boating, fuel, the marinas, and facilities there.

    It's expensive. Wanna save money, then alternative is to close the parks to the public.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    Oct. 11, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    NOBODY seems to be aware that it is against Federal law to close national parks and monuments!

  • Zipperneck Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    "Jewell made it clear that she can't obligate the federal government to pay the state back, Herbert said. He said he asked Utah’s congressional delegation to pursue repayment."

    An invoice should be sent directly to Mike Lee. Ask him to pay it from his campaign fund.

  • goinfishn Orem, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    Governor Herbert could the state give the feds another $10.00 to open the restrooms and the few roads they have closed at Strawberry Reservoir. I am sure that's all it would cost to open these facilities. Our Senator from Utah has really messed thing up. Please compromise Senator Lee. This is not the way to fight the ACA.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Gov Herbert be very careful. The Obama administration promising a payback should be viewed very carefully. Obamas honesty is highly suspect in anything other than chaos and ruination.

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    "Utah na'l parks"? "Na'l" is not an abbreviation. "Nat'l" is.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    I like how conservatives want to take a chainsaw to gov't but once they're impacted by cuts in any way, suddenly it's all "no don't cut that, what are you doing?". Now if only they can figure out that the other cuts harm other people...

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Oct. 11, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Bravo, Gov. Herbert. Glad you're able to scrimp some money for things that count; heaven knows that Utah's educational system couldn't have used that money.

    In reality, the Federal gov't shouldn't pay Gov. Herbert back for a single dime. You guys put Mike Lee in the Senate, you should reap what you sew. Further, the sheer fact that Utah is a habitual federal tax net debtor (Utah literally takes billions of dollars a year more than it pays in Federal taxes) ought to preclude Utah from reimbursement. If we're talking about settling debts, Utah ought to start paying California because it's out checkbook that keeps your entire state running. Time to exercise some actual responsibility, Gov. Herbert.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Make no mistake both sides of the political isle are at fault here.

    Depending on the poll 53-57% of Americans disapprove of obamacare. With every passing day there is more discovered to NOT like.

    Republicans have offered to negotiate and the President is on the record saying he will not until a continuing resolution to fund the govt AND the debt ceiling are both passed.

    So, last time you negotiated on a car did you agree to the dealers asking price AND THEN try to negotiate down on the actual price you pay?

    The UNaffordable care act is so NOT affordable for nearly everyone. Even the poor with subsidies from our pockets can't afford the ridiculous prices.

    Oblamo hooked up with insurance companies and now we all are paying as much or more than before except now we all have catastrophic plans. Thousands in out of pocket costs before our insurance pays a dime. If you don't have that type of plan yet then watch out because it is coming.

    This garbage system is by far worse than what I had before. Now I pay more for a fraction of the coverage for my family.

    Wake up people!!!

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 11, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    If it's that expensive, lets just take the land back. That will be Utah's part in "sharing the wealth" (code speak for sharing the burden). Plus I'm sure with local control it won't be as expensive.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 11, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    I look at the State of Utah's decision to fund the reopening of Utah's Five national parks A SMART DECISION !!!. For example, Just outside of Zion is Springdale, whose town's economy is driven by the Zion tourist trade and to a lesser extent; Carmel Junction, Hurricane, St George and Cedar City. I'm sure some State Governement Staffer ran the numbers and determined that Utah paying the Feds to keep the Parks open would generate not only Multiple returns on not only local economies but State Tax revenues as well. The Des-News staff should chase done this Staffer's department and help tell this State action better to the Utah public. I think this is a great example of (Utah state) government doing right by the Utah Public and avoiding getting it's Oxen gored by a Federal squabble thousands of miles away.

  • Noah So Ogden, Ut
    Oct. 11, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    I would like to see Utah take back our lands. Why in the world do we allow the Federal government to take our State land. They continually want to take more and more. We are more equipped to manage our own lands. Given the government's record of trying to manage everything and either making it worse or failing, Utah, more than most states, has a work ethic that encourages fruitful labors. Lets get out of the messes that be and retake our own State and its lands back! No more depending on the government, and we would be helping our own be productive citizens.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    We should have re opened the centers for disease control.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    If Utah took these lands back, taxes would jump. Utah is a "taker" state.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Noah:

    If you're going to push to have federal lands turned over to the State of Utah (without any compensation to the rest of Americans who the lands also belong to) I say why not go the extra step, do the right thing, and turn these lands over to the Ute tribe, the Shoshone, the Gosutes, Paiutes and Navajos.

    Their claim on the land has more moral authority than does the claim from the current occupants of Utah. Don't take any half measures. Go all the way.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Every one in Utah hates the federal government until the money stops coming. Then they start crying...

    And then I pay more taxes to the state.

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    To help solve the root problem, while the legislature is in session, they need to pass a resolution calling for an "Amendments Convention" to consider a term limit amendment to the US Constitution that radically overhauls congress. This is a unique, and tragically never-used power that 34 state legislatures collectively have at their disposal. Such an amendment would then have to be ratified by 38 states to become part of the constitution. Absolutely no involvement from the current congress is required. None.

    That amendment would provide that 1) all congressmen shall serve only a single four-year term and 2) all senators shall serve only a single eight-year term, and 3) the people would have the power to recall said congressman or senator with 2/3 agreement of all votes cast in a special election called by the governor of the state.

    Note the focus on single but longer terms. Yes, that is correct, single terms. Therefore, no post-election campaigning.

    This is the only way to clean out Washington, get rid of the politicking once and for all, and finally have a congress that is representative of the people and not some special or party interest.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Oct. 11, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    yea this is all President Obama's fault, he's the one who personally shut down each and every national park. Wrong, absolutely wrong! He has no funding for them, without congress agreeing to fund them, there is no money, this is not the fault of the President as much as the blowhards on the radio or the right wing propaganda machine would like you to believe, it's kind of difficult for the president to operate the federal government if congress won't authorize the spending! Why is it everyone else seems to get this but a growing few who refuse to accept reality?

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 11, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    The SL Trib is reporting Zion NP opened up at about 10am local time today and should be fully open as the day progresses. The people of Springdale are very happy, the Tourists from the UK are happy.

  • lehiaggie Lehi, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Thanks for the example of how to Govern and show leadership. A republican Governor working with secretary Jewell to solve a problem that was not of their own making.

    I wish the President and Congress could take a lesson.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    @Anti Government
    "Depending on the poll 53-57% of Americans disapprove of obamacare. "

    Real Clear Politics average of polls 38.0% approve. 48.3% disapprove. Only one of the 6 polls on the list had a disapproval rating in the 53-57 range (CNNs 57% disapproval) and that's the only poll of the 6th to be conducted before October 1st.

    Then there's the other matter. Not everyone who disapproves of Obamacare wants it repealed. Some of those who disapprove (around a quarter of them based on CNN polls) disapprove because it's not liberal enough. Those people are not going to be supportive of GOP efforts at dismantling health reform and replacing it with nothing.

  • Laura M ,
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    How can it possibly cost that much to keep a national park open, especially when the park collects $20 each time someone enters the park? How about the government just closes down any facilities and lets people enjoy nature the way God intended - for free!?