We don't need the rangers or the buildings.Just leave the roads and
the parking lots open.
gary,take back all of utah's real estate. feds should not own
anything in the state.
Obama to Herbert -> NO!
I feel that Utah should just run the parks permanently.
A shutdown is a shutdown, not just of the stuff you don't care about. It
wasn't vindictive in that sense, it was across the board. If you don't
like it, take it up with congress. As for the parks, is the state going to pay
to run them? What revenue would accrue to the state from people with existing
park passes? If there is a major disaster or even a lawsuit from a missing
hiker, who would step up to the plate? The state? I think it's foolish to
simply see the NPS as simply an absentee land owner. They actively preserve
these places for all of us and for posterity.
Back at ya, Mike.“These [politicians] are willing and able to
wield tremendous influence in a manner that serves the political ambitions of
the few at the expense of the many."
I thought Obama said he was all for JOBS?Tourist dollars bring
jobs.Was Obama fibbing when he said he wanted JOBS?Or
did he mean he just wanted guvmint JOBS?
I think this is a bold idea from Herbert.I kind of like it.
Gov. Herbert should be asking the ringleader, Sen. Lee, not Obama. UT ranks in the top 10 of states with the most federal employees per capita.
Feds should not own anything in this state HA, that's a hoot! Uh I seem to
recall the Federal Government purchasing virtually the entire State of Utah from
Mexico via the treaty of Hidalgo. And it's like the State has as a great
track record of being such a great steward of the land. We'd have friends
of Herbert and the lawmakers drilling for fools gold in the middle of Kolob
Canyon. And didn't we have a budget crises here not to long ago and we
ourselves threatened to shut down some state parks? Yea great idea.
Oh, right Sierra Club Mr. Wagner--Sen. Lee is solely responsible for the
shutdown. You obviously didn't read the bill that was voted on. And even if
he was, the manner in which the president is acting in this is totally childish,
petty, and shameful.As one who is a frequent user of national parks,
I USED to respect the National Park rangers. No longer.
Clearly the shutdown has shown we are too dependent on the Fed government. The
state can manage its own beautiful country just fine, in fact better than the
Now that's funny. Have y'all seen the shape state parks are in?
Abysmal and filthy.
@HutteriteActually, only 17% of the government is officially
shutdown. 83% is still operating. This IS vindictive. I know because the same
guy who shut down the White House tours is the guy who decides what gets closed
during a government shutdown. If the state has money to do it, Obama ought to
say 'fine.' But that would defeat his sole purpose here.
I cannot fathom why anyone thinks a response from the Sierra Club is relevant to
Utah is really calling for favors when their state senator is one of "the
principled" who orchestrated the government shut down. Gov. Herbert needs to
press those within his own party and state. Reaching to the enemy for a handout
during a time of war is kind of pathetic and naive. No way does Obama grant
access and why would he?
The hypocrisy and childishness of the GOP is breathtaking. This shutdown is 100%
the work of the Republican party. But then when it starts to hurt, the
Republicans ask Obama for a Band-Aid.Shut the CDC, FDA, WIC, bridge
inspectors, dam inspectors, tax advisors, and a hundred other things. But
suddenly, it affects them, and all of the sudden it's "Hey wait a
second that's not what I meant!"You ask for small
government, you get small government.Also, from a purely strategic
standpoint, why in the world would the White House care about making Utah angry.
Utah will never be an electorally competitive state. Which means that
Republicans know that no matter how bad they screw up they'll never lose
the Utah vote, and Democrats know that no matter how many things they do for
Utah, they'll never win the Utah vote.That's what you get
when you have one-party rule, folks: you become completely irrelevant to
national politics. I bet Obama has already been on the phone with Chaffetz and
Lee, chuckling, saying "Gee, guys, sounds like your shutdown is hurting your
pals back home!"
BrooklynI love the fact you are commenting regarding Utah. Take a look at
the great politicians that hail from ny. You may want to worry about them
This is petty and vindictive behavior by the president. For many of the parks,
shutting them down requires more money and resources than leaving them open.
There is no justification for this.It is time for UT (and every state) to
assert authority over it's territory.
I'd be much more supportive if Mr. Herbert were talking about, say, fully
funding the WIC program and feeding women and children in crisis than opening
federally owned and run parks. As has been mentioned, there are a host of legal
and logistical issues that I don't think have been considered, or
considered enough. Do we really have the resources to run Glen Canyon National
Recreation Area, for example? Will Utah be on the hook for any search and rescue
efforts in Zion or Arches? How do we have the money for that if we've been
closing "unpopular" state parks? What happens when someone (either in
the state parks department or a private citizen) decides that since it's
the state running things that "wilderness areas" aren't off-limits
to motorized vehicles anymore?
States Rights!Question for Gov. Gary...Who is going to
pay...and keep paying for this new enterprise?"...He asks the
president to authorize Utah absent federal funds to use state, local and private
money to reopen and manage the parks..."."...private money
to...manage the parks..."."...manage...".What would that look like?Let me guess...Appoint a
real estate salesman to sell off pieces of the parks to the highest bidder (or
lowest bidder if the bidder is a friend of the salesman)?Perfect.
Yeah, that will work wonderfully. Just like our woefully underfunded and
neglected state parks program. We cannot even properly run the parks we have.SNtB, if you think parks need neither rangers nor buildings, you have no
idea what goes on there. Do you think millions of tourists will keep coming to
parks with no bathrooms, parks loaded with trash and graffiti, where
unmaintained trails are eroded and hazardous, there are no visitors centers or
programs, and nobody maintains order or provides law enforcement or emergency
services?Uninformed people discuss a "federal land grab" and
"taking it back." The land has belonged to all Americans since the
Mexican Purchase. In many cases we begged the Feds to manage it after poor
private and state management had disastrous results. For instance, TR created
the Manti Forest Reserve at the insistence of George Sutherland and Sanpete
citizens after overlogging and overgrazing caused horrible flooding and
typhoid-contaminated drinking water.I am normally big on states
rights, but many states, including ours, have horrible land management track
records and would only take a few years to ruin any lands they took over.
Setting aside for the moment the fact that the State of Utah has no legal basis
or authority to run or manage federal parks and lands, this looks suspiciously
like an attempt to use a back-door to take over the parks since the Governor
hasn't been able to do it legally. Having the parks closed is an
inconvenience, far less significant than people who are going hungry and people
who are on leave without pay due to the shutdown. Let's get some
priorities straight here. The various Sheriff's offices that
are volunteering to handle Federal Park issues are the same ones that are
usually complaining that they're understaffed and underfunded. Where did
they suddenly get all the extra manpower and funds to take on another job?
Well, of course the federal government will be happy to accommodate the wants
and needs of Governor Herbert's Utah.Utah's legislature has
worked harder than any other state to work with President Obama!
I heard Arizona's governor asked if her state could keep the Grand Canyon
open with their state funds and they turned her down. It's time for every
state to take back their parks.
3rd try...ute alumni@ Brooklyn "I love the fact you are commenting
regarding Utah. "Ya see we live in the United States of America,
and these are National Parks Not Utah's "real estate" (which is
telling that you call it that) meaning that it belongs to All Americans not just
petty short sighted men who wish to sell our children's inheritance to the
highest bidder....the ignorance shown daily in these comments about
the cause of the shutdown is astounding.
@RedneckLefty The hypocrisy and childishness of the president is what is
breathtaking.If the GOP is the cause of the shutdown, then wow, they
finally had the gumption to do something right and that surprises me. If it
means defunding Obamacare, something for which my family cannot afford to pay
any premiums and cannot afford to pay the penalty--er, TAX--for not purchasing
it, then I'm willing to live with this faux "shutdown" by the pres
for as long as it takes. It's just reaping embarrassment on him, anyway.
Herbert - contact Boehner and every member of the Utah delegation and tell them
to vote on a straight up funding bill - with no extortions, ransoms, or hidden
agendas. It will pass - and the Parks will open. Simple.
The President has said he will negotiate ....AFTER the GOP caves in on every
issue. There goes all their leverage...the country HATES
Obamacare...can't we make some reasonable changes to it?
Better still - send the money it takes back to the states, turn the land over to
the states and keep it out of the hands of the greedy feds. Our government has
grown too big and they are manipulating people through this, stealing our
natural resources that belong to the people. in many places, people would
rarely be needed to maintain. If it's costing us so much to pay the
revenue collectors that allow us entry into the sites, maybe they should go back
to the natural wilderness they should be without being charged to see what
exists naturally. Maybe it's time to determine what are
"essential" services here.
Where's Representative Chris Stewart in all this. He is the Representative
for all of southern Utah. It's as if he is too busy giving interviews
about his new book to give a hoot about the people in his own district.
Those of you who think this is "revenge" on the part of Obama against
Utah have a very, very inflated sense of importance. What hubris, to think that,
with the world economy of the brink of disaster, agencies vital to our national
security crippled, vulnerable populations (like pregnant women and children) in
desperate need of assistance, vets with benefits applications that can't be
processed -- with all that going on, NOW you complain that there aren't any
tourists coming to your town because your elected Republican representatives
pushed for a government shutdown?What an incredible case of petty,
oblivious self-centeredness. Let the world go to heck because we elected Tea
Party extremists who want to shut down the government -- but as soon as that
comes back to bite me, only then do I complain (and worse, blame it on Obama
instead of myself!).
Let me see, the Republican House has sent four bills (CRs) to the Senate to keep
the remaining 17% of the government operating and how many of those bills has
the Democrat controlled Senate voted on? Uh well, there was the one that told
the House to shove it. Other than that, no negotiations, no compromise, no
discussion, no civility is forthcoming from the left. Don't tell me
it's 100% a Republican shutdown. It 100% discretion of the Executive branch
of government that determines what is allowed: Amber Alert, NO. Michelle's
web site, YES. WW II vets on the mall, NO. Illegal immigrants on the mall, YES.
Long-time residents of Lake Mead (even before there was a Lake Mead), NO.
Congressional gym, YES. If you don't see the hypocrisy and vindictiveness,
you are part of the problem.
It is not Obama's fault that the government shut down. It's Boehner
and the Tea Party.
We have been fighting this in court anyway. Herbert needs to have the man parts
to take the state guard down there and take parks. If the Feds want them back
they can take us to court.
@Gof"We have been fighting this in court anyway. Herbert needs
to have the man parts to take the state guard down there and take parks. If the
Feds want them back they can take us to court."The absolute
funniest and most mis-informed post of the day goes to Gof.If you
think Governor Herbert can just call up the Guard to go open the parks, I
recommend you read up on a little incident that happened at Little Rock Central
High School in 1957 when the governor called up the National Guard. The Guard
troops were federalized and they were activated into the US Army. The Utah
National Guard does not belong to the Governor to use at his whim like that. If
he were to call them up, before email would be forwarded to the soldiers,
President Obama could activate them, superseding the governor's orders.
The National Guard received almost all of it's funding from the federal
government. The ignorance of Utahns on how the Guard operates
100% the result of the Republican party? Um, hasn't it been the Democrats
that doubled the national debt?
Look who's misinformed. Read the state constitution. The national guard may
not belong to the Governor 100%,but the State guard does.They are totaly under
In some places the National Park service employees have been decent and stood
aside, recognizing that they work for the American people and not a
'churlish child'. In other places they have behaved as if they
were the Gestapo, chasing down people who are exercising, just to ticket
them.Easy to see how there are those so attached to their
'leader' they lose their sense of decency.This is not
"Obama's land", it is our land and if we are willing to stand the
expense of keeping the parks open, then that should be our option, not
his. Again, he's "Cutting off his Nose to spite his Face". except
it keeps growing longer every other time he opens his mouth.
There's certainly room to debate this statement from the Sierra Club
fedbots:""It's that federal control that came from the
people of Utah and every state that resulted in those federally owned parks,
monuments and wilderness areas that have benefited generations of
Let me be clear.The idea of taking over federal lands in Utah on a
permanent basis is foolishness. But the temporary management of the National
Parks, just until the idiots Cruz, Lee, and their cadre of Mad Hatters come to
their senses or are expelled from the House, well, I think that temporary
measure has some merit.The comments pointing out that the people of
Utah did not "own" the land first are spot on. Without the Federal
Government and the rights to own property allocated to the States, Utah has
Open the parks, setting a precedent that is shady, so that my constituents can
make money on their hotels and restaurants.Don't expect me to
criticize the ridiculous republican taking the US Government hostage to 30 crazy
tea party membersDon't expect me to tell the republican
Congress that extortion is not only unseemly, but a sin.And, very
sadly, don't expect other commenters here and many Utahns to notice that
using all extraordinary means to discredit the President and sneak around the
law is against the very principles of America, as well as contrary to Jesus, who
is Lord to most Utahns.