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  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:31 a.m.

    So when the US House recently passed a compromise, backed also by Rep. Matheson, that wouldn't have defunded ObamaCare, but delayed implementing part of it, and Sen. Harry Reid refused to even let it be heard, that was the GOP's fault?

    When the House passed a bill to keep the parks open, and Sen. Reid wouldn't let it be heard, that was the Republican's fault?

    When, instead of calling a meeting with the House and Senate leaders of both parties to solve the impasse, the President scheduled the meeting to see how to get a "clean CR" without dealing with any of the problems of implementing ObamaCare, which even Rep. Matheson's office said was would not get anywhere as soon as the meeting notice arrived, that was the Republican's fault?

    Who hasn't had even one budget passed during his entire time as US President, when even his own party wouldn't buy in to his proposed budgets?

    The majority of the problem has been with the US Senate Democratic Majority Leader and our current US President . Why doesn't the press pick that up?

  • Mark l SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are constitutional heroes, and should be praised for standing up for principle. It's unfortunate that the dominant liberal establishment mass media is all in for democrats and the progressive agenda. This letter brings up a good point that conservatives need to simply get their message out, and convince Americans that their policy ideas are sound and good. But how is that to happen when the left dominates the messaging? Any thing a conservative says is scrutinized by the media to make them look foolish, while democrats are given a pass on their gaffes. The last two presidential elections should be proof of that. The realm of public education is also dominated by the left. Left wing radicals from the sixties are now tenured professors, able to indoctrinate impressionable young minds by mocking conservative principles and agendas. K-12 is also dominated by democrat, teacher union members who preach the wonders of collectivism.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    It's obvious that the Democrats know that Obama and Reid will take the fall for the government shutdown, as those two should because they are the two people in America who have shut down the government.

    Back when Clinton was President, we didn't have the electronic media like we have today. People were spoon fed the "official" line by the media and the people still believed the media. Today, things are different. Who, except Obama, believes the media?

    With the countless blogs, people are seeing that the Republicans HAVE funded the government. They're seeing that the Republicans have funded the parks and WIC and everything else in government with the single exception of ObamaCare. People are seeing that Reid has refused to act on the budget and that Obama has threatened to veto any budget bill that does not include ObamaCare. People have learned that the White House shut down the parks and monuments and instructed the Park Rangers to cause as much havoc as possible.

    No, it will not be the Republicans who will reap the whirlwind this time; it will be the Democrats.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    The party of Abraham Lincoln has slowly morphed into the party of John C. Calhoun.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    I'd rather the republicans not destroy their brand but they seem bent on it; so be it.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    A letter acknowledging reality is refreshing and hopeful. Get ready for the radical spinners and conspiracy comments to follow.

  • IMAPatriot2 PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    This article doesn't represent the feelings and views of most of us who voted for Senator Lee. If you have a crystal ball or some way to predict the future, please don't spew this drivel.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Objections to President Barak Obama are often less reasons worthy of serious consideration than self-serving manipulative tactics to delegitimize his presidency. Mostly we believe what we want to believe and find what we look for. Beliefs determine what we can see. And nowhere is this more evident than with the tea party coalition whose uninformed and irrational radicalism poisons all institutions political and religious that embrace its single-minded ways.

    Sadly, it has discredited the Republican Party to the point that it no longer functions as a meaningful counterweight to the Democrats. It has negated nearly all initiatives of a capable and well-intended president. And it has paralyzed our government. Our democracy is in crisis as threats and intimidation seek to override elective government and constitutional ways. Their revolutionary creed echoed in the actions of our own Senator Mike Lee is that to save this nation we must first destroy it. Is this when the Constitution hangs by a thread?

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    What's increasingly obvious is that thr tea party wing of the GOP has backed itself into a rhetorical corner and has no endgame strategy for getting out unscathed. The above commenters who believe that they'll be able to spin this as a victory aren't paying attention to national polls.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Excellent letter. And I think you'd find that most liberals would be happy to work with conservatives to reform the ACA. Just as long as such reforms met the basic goals of the legislation. But there have not been any conservative plans that do that.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    I guess we'll see. After the Clinton shutdown the press blamed the Republicans, not a surprising position as they are currently trying to do the same thing now. However in the next elections the Republicans gained seats in the House and the Senate. I hope this heightened attention brought upon the horrible Obamacare law will have the same result

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 6, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Re:Utah_1

    The Senate did vote on the House measure and it was voted down.
    The Senate also voted to "table" subsequent measures offered by the House.

    Now,
    What Senate measures has Boehner brought up for a vote?
    Please name them.

    The President and the Senate "compromised" with the hostage takers last time which resulted in the Budget Control Act commonly known as Sequestration.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Exactly right BU52!! Most leftists think that when Chris Mathews, Katie Couric and John Stewart along with a few other media mental "giants" like these are speaking there language, then they are in the majority. That's their standard of measurement!
    Got to love it when we get these lilies who write letters claiming to be GOP but go on all warm and fuzzy for the liberal agenda. I am literally shaking in my boots over how scared I am of the potential dominance of the Democrats after this government shutdown. Not really, and I don't see any sign of that from Cruz or Lee....and with good reason.
    " And I think you'd find that most liberals would be happy to work with conservatives to reform the ACA" How naïve!! That is what this whole issue is about. Liberals have been in charge for the past 6 years. What are they waiting for? Start compromising and reaching out!!

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    " Sen. Lee is no doubt a very smart guy. " Please cite valid evidence.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    You guys read polls?

    From an ORC poll conducted Sept 27-29 of this year. When asked if they oppose Obamacare because its too liberal, or not liberal enough this was the result:

    Favor 38%
    Oppose, too liberal 39%
    Oppose, not liberal enough 11%
    No opinion 13%
    +/- 3.5

    So if you add those that favor the bill, and those who don't because its not liberal enough you get 49% as opposed to 39% that that think its too liberal. Add in those that have no opinion and you get 62%.

    Could it be the fringe conservatives in the House don't speak for most Americans after all?

    Also in the same poll 60% thought approving a budget was the most important thing to do, 34% thought stopping major provisions of the ACA was.

    And it had this: 69% thought Republicans were acting like spoiled children. (44% of Republican respondents thought this as well.) Only 25% thought they were acting like responsible adults. Really, it had that question.

    Again, 69% of people think the Republicans are acting like "spoiled children". 44% of Republicans actually think this.

    This isn't going to turn out well for Republicans.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    "It's obvious that the Democrats know that Obama and Reid will take the fall for the government shutdown, as those two should because they are the two people in America who have shut down the government."

    A perfect flashback moment. Reminds me of election night when Romeny, Rove and countless others refused to acknowledge or believe the reality that was staring them in the face.

    Wishful thinking does not reality make.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    There have been many Republicans that have been extreamly critical of Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and the Tea Party faction. There have been conservative pundits critical of the tactics being used. Polls show that the public is giving most of the blame to the GOP for the shutdown. Glenn Beck is selling T-Shirts on his site that say, "De-fund the GOP". Many Tea Party people are talking about splitting from the GOP.

    What do you think is going to happen to the GOP and the Tea Party in elections if they split? And what do you think is going to happen to the GOP when their fringe goes after the debt ceiling? (Those question's are for those that live outside the bubble.)

    No, this isn't going to turn out well for the Republicans.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    I will have to give Rupert credit. He has created the perception that anyone but Fox news is liberal media.

    While I would agree that there are liberal slant media (MSNBC) I find it maddening that those on the right don't see Fox as right wing slant.

    Talk about oblivious.

  • annes albuquerque, NM
    Oct. 7, 2013 6:21 a.m.

    It's obvious by now that the House Republicans didn't have a reason for shutting down the government. They said they did it for "the American people". They said the American people are suffering under ObamaCare even though that SCOTUS-upheld law hasn't even gone into effect yet. Then, as the health exchanges went online and demonstrated the great interest so many Americans have in obtaining affordable insurance and obviously, affordable basic health care, the House Republicans switched out their reason for shutting down the government.

    Now they say it's because President Obama "won't negotiate". It's becoming obvious that they shut down the government because they could. That's abuse of power. Only the most extreme right-wingers approve.

    The House Republicans want something, they won't say what it is (Obamacare is off the table, they haven't mentioned it in days), they seem to not even know what they want, but they will keep the government closed till they get it? That's extortion. I believe that neither President Obama nor Senate Leader Reid should negotiate on their terms. You wouldn't.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    " Reid has refused to act on the budget and that Obama has threatened to veto any budget bill that does not include ObamaCare.", and just why would/should the President or Senator Reid negotiate the death of their primary piece of legislation that they firmly believe will improve America? It's the law. It passed Congress, it passed the last election, and survived 42 votes by the House to kill it. After voting 42 times to kill it we're now suppose to believe that "we just want to improve it". Let's delay it for a year and we'll all sit down and have a nice chat to improve all the terrible things we say will happen. By the way we also have a bridge you might be interested in.

    This law has been discussed over and over. It's the law and it will be changed many times over the course of it's life just like all social programs, but after working 70 years to get something done democrats are not going to "negotiate" it's death before it starts.

  • Mkithpen Sandy, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Mike Lee is doing what he was elected (hired)to do. He committed to not be in the Republican mainstream and he is not. He is standing for Constitutional values. He should be applauded and supported. Where is our RINO Orin Hatch - he said returning him to Washington brings clout. Time for Senator Hatch to take a page from the junior Senator's book if his ego will let him and start representing Utah the way he claims he has and can. Senator Lee show honor, integrity and a willingness to fight even when it's unpopular. Lee has done more for Utah's conservative values in the last two years than Hatch has done the last 12 years. Keep going Mike Lee!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    I don't think liberals study much history. The last time that the government was shut down was 1996. After that shutdown, congress nearly balanced the budget in 1999 when the deficit was just $28 billion. The republicans then held congress until 2006.

    So far the Obama administration is looking like a bunch of petty children. They took the time to prevent people from looking at public monuments that are outside, and have even gone so far as to stop people from looking at Mt. Rushmore. I am hoping that the Democrat strategy of blocking off historical sites and national parks backfires.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    RedShirt, it won't, because they aren't responsible and this time around the public has been smart enough to see it.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    Tea party being ditched by everyone but Utah and Texas.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" but the GOP is being responsible. The Republicans have passed tons of bills in an attempt to fund the government, but as the votes have shown, the Democrats have not only voted them down, but are looking into ways of making life as difficult to the public as possible. The decision to make things difficult can only come from the Democrats.

    Hopefully people will wake up and see that the Democrats are the ones playing political games with the US.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    Yea, the GOP is responsible. Let's see let's fund child cancer research that helps a very needy few, but let's cut food stamps that help many very needy children. Let's open the national parks, but let's cut keep the CDC closed etc. etc. Seriously brother? Often over the past 5 years I've heard the GOP livid over the government picking winners and losers, but now it's a good idea?

    The ACA is law it's in the process of being rolled out and you have lost that fight. All the shenanigans and twisted logic in the world won't change that. If you don't like it figure out a reasonable way to influence the changes that will certainly have to happen, but you've lost the fight to not have an ACA at this time so get over it. It's done finished.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 4:27 a.m.

    Tea party nearly finished.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" answer me this. Which party decided to not pass the Continuing Resolution to fund ALL of the government except the ACA? Which party is it that has refused to pass bills that would have paid for things like food stamps, the CDC, the EPA, and many other government agencies?

    How can you honestly say that the GOP is irresponsible if they are making every effort to fund the government?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" answer me this. Which party decided to not pass the Continuing Resolution to fund ALL of the government except the ACA? Which party is it that has refused to pass bills that would have paid for things like food stamps, the CDC, the EPA, and many other government agencies?

    How can you honestly say that the GOP is irresponsible if they are making every effort to fund the government?

    Hey, that was pretty funny, RedShirt, I didn't know you had a sense of humor. . .

    Wait. . . You were kidding, right?

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    One Vote

    You may think the T-Party is finished, but if the Democrats do not get control of the House in 2014, and or lose Senate seats to the Republicans, it will be Obama who will be finished.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 9, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    "After that shutdown, congress nearly balanced the budget in 1999 when the deficit was just $28 billion. The republicans then held congress until 2006."

    Yup, you are correct Redshirt.

    But, in those 6+ years when the GOP held congress and the presidency, they championed and passed medicare part D, the largest entitlement program in decades.

    They passed No Child Left Behind.

    So much for the fiscal conservative, deficit busting Republicans.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    RedShirt, saying I won't fund the government unless you kill an existing law is extortion. It's not negotiating, and it's criminal, end of story.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Oct. 10, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" but the GOP isn't saying that. They are saying, "Lets follow the President's lead and delay implementation so we can fix the massive problems". The President has allowed the mandate for businesses to be delayed for 1 year because of problems with implementation, why can't we do the same for individuals? Are corporations "more equal" than individuals?

    You still have yet to answer the basic question. Why fund a law/program that has already had the opposite effect of what it was intended to do? The ACA was supposed to lower insurance rates, they have gone up significantly because of the ACA. It was supposed to get all uninsured to buy insurance, the law only helps 1/3 of the uninsured.

    Will you answer the question now about why should we fund such a flawed program that is doing more harm than good?