Best talk I've heard or read in my nearly 40 years of participating in
General Conference. Now, please be open about what some of those
"mistakes" were including the problems with the claims made by the LDS
church, especially Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and even, the current
leadership of the church.
Thinkman:I agree 100 % with your first sentence but disagree with most of
the 2nd paragraph. I feel that many members have left the church
because some insensitive leaders were too quick to excommunicate those who had
the some of the doubts that President Uchtdorf spoke about. However, as one who
was inactive for many years, I believe that those insensitive leaders were
sincere when they felt excommunication was appropriate. While
carefully studying the Doctrine and Covenants using the CES Student Manual for
BYU Religion 324-325 this year, I have gained a strong testimony that Joseph
Smith and Brigham Young are 2 of the most worthy prophets that ever lived.
There is but one perfect individual. Jesus Christ. He alone is Diety and he
alone provides a perfect example of how to live. The rest are just men and
women. People filled with mistakes, doubts and errors. To attach ourselves to
them as if they are perfect is a mistake.The lessons of the life of
Christ's closest friend, Peter, is to understand that even prophets are
imperfect. Christ illustrates this by doing two things. First he chooses and
imperfect man and Second calls him the Rock upon which he shall build His
church. Throughout the life of Peter with Christ we see him be just that - an
imperfect man who ultimately deny's the Divinity of the Man he personally
knew to be the Son of God. This should give us all comfort in
knowing that while Christ is perfect, man is not nor is the leadership of His
Church. Adam, Noah, Moses, David, Peter, Paul, Joseph, Brigham all
examples of Prophets who made mistakes. No worry - Just remember it was
"through" these men and not "by" this men that God reveals His
Truths. The Principles of the Gospel are true not the men. Thank
When we are baptized, we covenant that we will be witnesses for Christ in all
times. Disagreeing with the Church is within our moral agency, and admitting
that disbelief can be an honest statement. However, publicly denouncing the
Church is a serious action that denotes pure apostasy. I have
participated in several disciplinary councils over the years. While apostasy
from revealed doctrine was occasionally manifest, in every instance what
prescipitated the action was unrepented moral sin. At no time was there a
desire to punish someone because of disbelief or ignorance. I think I can speak
for the others on those councils that our earnest desire was for the person to
repent and come back into the fold.
As a member of the LDS church, I've come to realize that a lot of mistakes
were made by our church leaders in the past. So it stands to reason that they
will make mistakes today. It is not just our moral agency to disagree, it is our
responsibility to find out for ourselves if what is being taught is correct. I'm pretty sure the doctrine is sound. Man's interpretation of
that doctrine can be crazy sometimes. Just read anything that Brigham Young said
in the journal of discourses. Pray and study.
I loved this talk. I was certainly headed out of the church before this talk.
My wife had already told local leaders I was "trying to leave the
church". It's a long story of a fully broken shelf and the total
deconstruction of my church beliefs. As my anger has dissipated
over the past few months I must admit there are people I miss,
"Mormonisms" I do enjoy and memories I cherish. I fully
intend to put this to the test and see if the local leaders will show empathy
and help me make this church work for me. Certainly there is no guarantee but
as he put it, I will "stay a little longer".
BigTujungaAs long as you pay tithing, and don't publicly disagree
with the "imperfect" leaders, there is room for you in this Church.