without Karl the Jazz wouldn't have even made the playoffs. Malone is a
hall of fame player and #2 in scoring next to Kareem. The Mail Man WAS the Utah
Jazz during their best years.
And what good does it do to bring up the past?? You can do nothing about it. And
Thomas is the biggest failure at being a GM. He needs to go stir the pot
Isiah Thomas may be right, but why bring it up in 2013?Is Thomas
looking to get back into sports broadcasting? Looking at his tract record as a
GM, pro coach and college coach, broadcasting is probably the only thing Isiah
would be any good at.
Was a big Malone fan. Still a big Malone fan.
No wonder the Grapes are Sour ... Isaiah delivered them 20 years too late.
Karl carried that team on his big, strong back. He was NOT a bad free-throw
shooter. All-time? He may not have won a championship, but he was the best
player on a great team, one that would've likely have won two championships
had they not been facing the greatest player ever, Michael Jordan. Hey,
that's it. Thomas not only resents Malone for the elbow, but also because
Malone didn't beat Isiah's enemy, Jordan.
I'm glad this came up. Reminds me of some of my favorite sports memories
ever. I absolutely LOVED those years. And yes, I still think the refs cashed in
for his airness Jordan. Maybe honest officiating and it would have brought about
a Jazz title or two.Awesome years. And of course, without
Malone's toughness they wouldn't have made the Conference Finals let
alone the NBA Finals.
I always had an issue with Malone in the playoffs... his stats always seemed to
decline in the playoffs while other teams big names seemed to increase.That being said, I was at the "elbow" game and I never shed a tear for
Isiah... what a weasel!
I'm not really a Malone defender, but Thomas made some ludicrous statement.
Wow.All I can say is, who is isiah thomas?His choices since retiring
have been lets say questionable.
Isiah 6:4 And the Mailman came down upon me with his 'bow and whacked my
brow.Malone 40:4 Be still and know that I am the Mailman.Isiah 10:5 The grapes that I shall deliver unto thee shall be bitter and not
sweet.Malone 33:3 I will crush thy grapes and grind them to powder
leaving neither root nor branch nor anything like unto grapes.
@ Leo: Pretty funny stuff!
The NBA cry babies turning on each other
If things happened a in a vacuum then maybe Thomas would have some measure of
credibility but he has none. In a vacuum and without context sure
Malone missed the freethrow and no doubt it was big. Do they get to the
playoffs without Malone literally carrying 2-3 players on his back as he rolls
into the hoop to lay it in night after night? Do the Jazz get to a Finals
playoff series with the Bulls without him leading the NBA in FT attempts?Just like a field goal in football to win/tie the game with few seconds
remaining. Why is your team in that situation? Because the team wasn't
good enough to be further ahead so while it appears to be on one guy it really
isn't. Its about the team result that got you to that point.Thomas on the other has been a failure at almost everything he has done,
basketball related, since he left the Pistons a long time ago. As
the saying goes Thomas "You are the weakest link, Goodbye"!
Zeke is weak.Malone's a stone.Leo, good stuff.
Who exactly is Crysiah Thomas? Is he the teeny tiny little point guard who ran
into the Mail Man's elbow and required a couple of stitches?
As a Blazer fan, I remember what it was like in the finals. It was like we were
not wanted there as a small market team. Utah got the same treatment. Yes I agree this is old school talk. Isaiah "Red Lobster" Thomas was
only a leader for the Pistons. His other NBA experiments were flops.We see a little of Shaq or Barkley on TV calling out Dwight Howard etc. 99% of
the NBA players today couldn't handle old school criticism. They rely on
Twitter rather than getting in someone's face. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Malone,
Rodman..... In the face of Burger King James, Wade, C. Anthony.....No way.Kevin Garnett, Kobe and Duncan are the only ones I can think of that could
handle it. They are veterans from another era.
Hate to mention it... but the REFS were the wink link. They took 3 away from
the Jazz and gave two to the Bulls in the last playoff game due to horribly
wrong shot clock calls. Hard to overcome the refs stealing five points from the
Jazz. So... the Jazz really did win that game, no matter the official score.
Oh, well... at least we had a Malone to cheer for instead of a Thomas to jeer
Jazz Source is right on. Calling Malone the weak link due to a missed freethrow
or two is ridiculous and completely out of context.That's like
calling out KD for not winning a championship in OKC or LBJ in Cleveland. In the realm of the NBA Finals, every possession, every shot, every
freethrow matters. Kobe, MJ, Magic, Bird have all missed shots or had other
mistakes that may have impacted the outcome of a particular game. When the Jazz
and Bulls played in the Finals, they were pretty evenly matched teams. The
Bulls got a few breaks that determined the outcome, the Jazz didn't.BTW, Isaiah has always been better at running his mouth than anything
else he's accomplished.
Shaq missed a couple free throws in his carreer too... Wonder what Thomas has
to say about that. And I would love to see Thomas take on Malone in any type of
venue. Even a freee throw contest would be fun. Now I remember why I hated the
Pistons so much.
The two free throws at the end of their first Finals game are what people
remember. Both were in and out. It's not like he went up there, knees
a-quiver, and bricked them. Does it matter? No; a miss is a miss. But he
didn't shoot them like a guy who expected to miss. I feel for the guy. He
did turn himself from a brutal, sub-Shaqquish free-throw shooter to a 75%+ guy.
I'll always respect him for that work ethic.My disappointment
in Karl was in their second finals. In game 1 in particular (and game 2, until
the last minutes), for whatever reason he seemed scared out of his mind.
I'd never seen him play that timidly or indecisively. I wouldn't say
he was afraid to fail; I think he was afraid to succeed.
Looks like article spells name wrong, isn't it Isaiah, not Isiah? Anyway,
the Jazz don't go to the NBA Championship without Karl Malone..."what
do Karl do"...Karl scores, rebounds, defends, adds fun personality to lead
the team. That's what he did.
So, Isaiah thinks that Antoine "Big Dawg" Carr could have won a ring if
he started for the Jazz instead of Malone?
"That’s a weak link, because at the end of a game when you are playing
at that level, you come down to the last 30 seconds or the last minute of the
game, if that guy can’t make fouls shots then he’s the weak
link."Coming from the man with a 75.9% career free throw
percentage (compared to Malone's 74.2%).
Thomas is still smarting about his injury and Stockton being selected for the
Olympic games over him. The Jazz of that era some lost games because of foul
shooting and they won games with it. What beat the Jazz in the championship
playoff games with Chicago was some vert bad calls and a propensity for referees
to give superstar Jordan a lot of leeway.
Let's prove or disprove Thomas's theory. For each of the Jazz's
8 losses to the Bulls in their two Finals appearances, (1) how many points did
the Jazz lose by, and (2) how many free throws did Malone miss? I'm too
lazy to look it all up, but if I were a newspaper reporter and it were my job to
find out the facts, those are some facts that are pretty relevant to this
argument and to this story.
Let see...Isaiah won championships,Karl Malone won
none.Jazz were carried by player who could not create his own
shot.Detroit was lead by player who could, and often took over games
in the fourth quarter when needed.Karl malone was often denied even
touching the ball in the fourth quarter with teams forcing the Jazz to
depended on benoit or russell.Isaiah very good free throw
shooter,Karl Malone average at best.Karl no defense
above the waist.Isaiah a great all around defensive player. I believe in 1990 the Jazz should've traded Malone, and still do.
A few winning seasons with false hope for more not withstanding.I
believe it is and was a mistake to build around player who can not create their
own shot or big man who is not a 7-footer.The a jazz not winning a
championship with jordon out the league, even with it taking a lucky shot in
Houston, even in a shorten season with Duncan proving better, building around
position players and not great b-ball players,proves my point, the
jazz could not win a championship with players they had. You must have the right
If the old saying "takes on to know one" is true, then Thomas might be
right about Malone, Thomas was THE weak link of the cast of main players on
Detroit's championship teams in the 80's. Dumars was the guard who
really got things done, Thomas was just there for the show. Very few of the
Pistons that I liked, but you throw in Sally, Dantley, Agguire, Rodman,
Laimbeer, Edwards, and they all worked their butts off and got things done.
It never ceases to amaze me how grown men (not grown up men) do not hesitate to
make utter fools of themselves in public. Mr. Thomas.
And this coming from a man who's stint with the Knicks was a total
disaster, or rather, a big joke. I think Isiah (and, yes, this is the way Zeke
spells it) could use another Malone elbow to the head. Without Karl Malone, the
Jazz would have never tasted the playoffs, let alone the NBA finals.
The rivalry was before the blow to the eye. Just before the game in
1991, Thomas was bad-mouthing Stockton in the media for making the Oly dream
team that didn't pick him.When Isiah came onto the floor of the
Salt Palace the Salt Lake crowd went crazy. They wanted to see blood and they
I dont think that the Jazz vs the Bulls in both finals were equally matched...i
mean...we got Ostertag...If we had a better C than Ostertag...we would have
won...plus...Toni Kukoc back then was a matchup nightmare....6'11 SF...that
could shoot the three...and that's their 6th man...
@Jazzsmackthe Rockets build a team around Yao...what happened?...The
Spurs initially built around Robinson...it was until they got Duncan that got
them a win....hmmm...how about Patrick Ewing and the Knicks?.....you still
cannot say that a 7 footer can guarantee you a championship....yes...Karl Malone
has his flows....but if you stacked the team that went to the finals...against
the other teams...i think the Jazz were the underdogs...they just happened to
execute plays efficiently...however...during the finals against the bulls there
were some errors on the part of our team...i think if we had a better C than
Ostertag....and a deeper bench...we would've won those two...