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  • micawber Centerville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:15 a.m.

    Other than petulance, why?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:03 a.m.

    Obama's way or no way!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:41 a.m.

    Taylor..... Obamacare is in effect. Sorry if you missed the memo. But the ship has sailed. Now the option is course correction.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    "They have honorably stood their ground ..."

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Mr. Lee and Mr. Chaffetz are part of the Congress that is usurping the legislative process set forth in the Constitution to get their own way. Actually they are acting like children in an office that drastically needs group-ups to lead our country. They didn't get their way in the battle over the ACA and so now they are using the political process to shutdown the government, costing all of us billions every day of the shut down and unfairly punishing federal workers who have done nothing but show up for work every day to do their jobs, just the opposite of what the Senator and Congressman have done.

    If everyone was interested in being fair - honorable, the Speaker of the House would have presented a clean Continuing Resolution bill that would have passed the House with enough Republican and Democratic votes - a bipartisan approval, imagine that. But because that vote would not have passed with a majority of Republicans, the vote was never allowed, and now we have the shutdown. What's honorable about that? The whole premise of this letter is dishonorable.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    Why delay it?

    If you want it to FAIL miserably [which is indeed what you all want],
    and show America what a lousy idea it is,
    then wouldn't it be better to do it now, when things are off to such a rough start, sooner rather than later, instead of later and allowing more time for all the bugs to be worked out?

    It's amazing, that even I can see this - and conservatives can't.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    The tea party is acting unchecked by disregarding enacted law, supreme rulings, and presidential elections. will they threaten the government and the economy until they get power, then what?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    Read the Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution before assigning blame. The House is required to originate all bills for revenue. The Senate can propose or concur, but it cannot originate a revenue bill, i.e., Harry Reid can add amendments to a revenue bill but he cannot subtract part of a revenue bill that the House passed because that "originates" a revenue bill. The President can sign the bill, refuse to sign it or let it become law without his signature.

    The House has passed a budget. The House is done. The House represents the People. The People do not want ObamaCare. The People did not want ObamaCare when the bill was being voted on. The House has "checked" the power of the President. The President decided to shut down the government rather than accept the will of the People, as represented by the House. The Senate decided to "originate" a revenue bill rather than obey the Constitution.

    The House needs to stand their ground. They have complied with their duty as stated in the Constitution.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    Obama has exempted many of his corporate and union and government friends from the demands of Obamacare. Why not the rest of us?

    He has already compromised with himself on the employer mandate. Why is he so unable to compromise with Congress on the individual mandate?

    Observe how much he really cares about the middle class. And observe how serious he really is about changing the way things are done in Washington.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    one vote,
    Your fear of the Tea Party is irrational. How could the Tea Party ever take power? They are a small fraction.

    And they aren't "threatening the government". They just want the government to move back to Constitutional guidelines (now if that's "Threatening the government"... we need to figure out why our government is so far out of bounds that asking them to get back to Constitutional guidelines is "threatening" to them).

    If you want to fear a splinter-group... fear the uber-lefts "occupy wallstreet" folks. They are talking violent overthrow of the government and killing people and moving AWAY from Constitutional principles (with a cause focused on "class-warfare rhetoric" and "redistribution of wealth", which is the anti-thesis of Constitutional principles).

    At least Tea Party people want to change back to Constitutional principles through meeting, talking, informing, and ultimately the election process (not violence). I've yet to hear a Tea Party person call for violence (though many nuts keep saying thats what they want). but the Occupy-Wallstreet people have come right out and said there needs to be a violent uprising (an "American Arab-spring").

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    "At least Tea Party people want to change back to Constitutional principles through....the election process..."

    We had an election and the ACA supporters won. Then the ACA won in the Supreme Court. That is the Constitutional way. Not holding the government and over a million people hostage with their jobs, their livelihood. And on top of it all this shutdown is actually costing the taxpayers rather than saving them money. The Constitutional way would be to have held an open vote in the House on the clean CR that was sent back by the Senate. Evidence has shown that process would have passed, but with a Republican minority. So to save face, the Speaker chose another path that has led us to where we are today.

    The ACA won in Congress and is now in process, despite the shutdown. If people want to modify it or throw it out, why not do that through the same manner in which it came about - the legislative, or Constitutional, way?

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    The irony of some of the posts is rich.

    Wasn't DOMA passed and signed into law?

    Did that stop opponents from fighting against what they thought was unjust and wrong?

    Of course not!

    The ACA is in the mind of many of us along the same lines. It is bad law. Bad policy.

    We fight against it.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    @ECR "holding...hostage"

    Can you not see that Obama and the Senate are holding the country hostage every bit as much as anyone else? Why won't they compromise?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    @T. Party. Obama has not exempted unions of anything. I know this because I belong to a union and it has been discussed how obamacare is going to change things.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    As a liberal American non-business oriented soldier of the American people, I appreciate the only representative that I have in our national government, President Obama.

    The corrupted growth of business in our government has gone on too long, It is time to make government be what it’s supposed to be, the protector of the American people. The corrupted government(s) is the most dangerous and wicked of all the enemies we face.

    The American people can overcome these problems if they can establish government by the people through their voting and throwing off the chains put on their freedom of doing so. Only as we move toward Democracy can there ever be government by the people.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    ECR,
    What I meant is... that the Tea Party approach to governmental change is through getting people elected who support Constitutional Principles (not by a violent uprising or killing the rich).

    I'm not talking about just the ACA or tactics politicians use once in office. The focus of the Tea Party is to get more people elected who agree with them (not killing the people in office and the 1%, like the uber-left occupy movement).

    How individuals (like Lee) decide to act when in office is a different topic. The Tea Party is mostly about getting people they like elected. Not so much about controlling everything they do after they are elected. They try to elect people they can trust to act in accordance with the Constitution so they don't have to worry about every vote they cast, or every bill they write. It doesn't always work, but it's better than the parties that require lockstep marching clones to just repeat the party line.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    The House needs to stand their ground. They have complied with their duty as stated in the Constitution.
    7:58 a.m. Oct. 2, 2013

    =========

    and
    The Senate has done their duty and has rejected it as stated in the Constitution.
    and
    even IF the Senate had approved,
    the President has already said he would reject it [Veto],
    and their aren't enough Votes to over rule that Veto.

    per the Constitution.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    2 bits.

    The threat of taking government back 250 years is greater than any other threats that our government has ever faced. Simply because no other part of our world is capable or willing to go back to the way it was 250 years ago.

    As for the Tea Party’s methods, you have to look at who they are. They are the business oriented people who have control over most aspects of American business. Their actions to defeat President Obama are not reported in the business controlled media and include the efforts to force religious beliefs on workers, withhold business growth and even lay off workers to punish the Americans for electing a black president. They don’t need to use violence, their power and money gets others to do their dirty work.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Ultra Bob - I hate to disagree with you because I agree with the general premise of your statement. But you are not exactly right when you state that the "...the Tea Party’s methods, you have to look at who they are. They are the business oriented people who have control over most aspects of American business.'

    There is a lengthy article in today's Washington Post pointing out that the Chamber of Commerce has written a letter to the Republican leadership begging them to pass a clean CR and avoid the shutdown. The Chamber was very involved in the fight against the ACA - they fought the good fight in their opinion - but now have accepted that the nation has to move on and deal with the hand we have. Likewise, the business community - the Chamber - has supported Immigration Reform and the Farm Bill, but the Tea Party has fought them every step of the way, bringing the process to a dead stop. The Tea Party are nothing more than arrogant children who haven't got their way through legitimate means and are now using unethical tactics to get their way. They are not supported by business interests either.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    Those who know little about the Constitution keep telling us that the Senate has upheld ObamaCare and that the President has upheld ObamaCare. They either don't know or they choose to ignore the fact that the House represents the people. The Senate represents the States. The President represents the nation to other nations.

    The People have told their Representatives that they don't want ObamaCare.

    The States have told their Senators that they don't want ObamaCare.

    The House has followed the wishes of the People.

    The Senate has rejected the wishes of the States.

    The President ignores everybody. He thinks that he can dicate to use that we must pay a tax. He has no power to levy taxes. That power rests with the House. The House has rejected Obama's tax. The People have rejected Obama's tax. The States have rejected Obama's tax. Only the Democrats in the Senate want to force that tax on us, regardless of the will of the People or the will of the States.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    @J Thompson. Apparently the states have not told their senators they do not want Obamacare because the democrats still hold a majority. They are directly elected which reflects the will of the people in the state.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    @Samson1

    "The irony of some of the posts is rich.

    Wasn't DOMA passed and signed into law?

    Did that stop opponents from fighting against what they thought was unjust and wrong?

    Of course not!

    The ACA is in the mind of many of us along the same lines. It is bad law. Bad policy.

    We fight against it."

    Here's a KEY difference. DOMA was found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court when it was arbitrated at that level. The ACA, on the other hand, would found constitutional by the same Supreme Court.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    @J Thompson
    The people cast more votes for Democrats than Republicans for the House. The only reason Republicans control it is due to gerrymandering. The people oppose defunding Obamacare, this turns up in poll after poll. The people strongly oppose threatening shutdown unless Obamacare is defunded in polling. 69% of people think the Republicans are acting like spoiled children. I haven't seen any attempt by them to act otherwise...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    UltraBob,
    Have you ever been to a Tea Party rally? If you had... you would know that the people there are far from "business oriented people who have control over most aspects of American business". If you have ever been to a rally you would know that the people there are just concerned people like you and me (not evil business people).

    And you don't have to take America back 250 years to stick to Constitutional principles. Constitutional principles are timeless. That's why the Constitution (which was the first of it's kind) has now been copied by almost every free nation.

    The people who wrote our Constitution were not just writing it for their times, or their issues. That's why it's so great and timeless. They wrote it with Human Nature in mind. That doesn't change. We are still human. We still have the same human strengths, and human desires for life, liberty, and happiness, and the same human tendencies we had back then.

    You insisting it would require moving everything back 250 years to live by Constitutional principles shows how little you appreciate our Constitution.

    Name ONE Constitutional principle that would require moving back to 1787...

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    @Shaun

    Leading up to full implementation of Obamacare, almost 1500 one-year waivers were granted, exempting their holders from portions of the law. About half of the exemptions went to labor unions.

    Too bad your union has to be treated like everyone else in 2014. You have my sympathy.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Gerrmandering? Hogwash. Do you think that the Republicans formed all the districts? How many States are Democrat? Did they favor the Republicans when they formed their districts?

    Both the Republicans and the Democrats were allowed, under law, to set their districts. Setting districts is a duty that happens after every census. Implying that somehow the the House passed its budget based on gerrymandering is utter nonsense.

    Those who forgot history will have also forgotten why each State has two Senators. Each State is equally represented in government. An amendment changed the way that Senators are elected. That amendment did not change the duties of the Senate. The Senate represents the interests of the State. The House represents the interests of the people. Democrats, who have shut down the government and hurt those who depend on the government, will lie about the duties and authority of the Senate.

    The House passed a bill that paid for everything that the Democrats have shutdown. WIC was funded. The Parks were funded. The National Guard was funded. EVerything was funded except ObamaCare. Obama doesn't even want ObamaCare to be fully enacted for a year. Obama and Reid are just having a tantrum.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    Shaun,
    There's a logic problem with your assumption that if you voted for a Democrat... you voted for ObamaCare. That's not necessarily a true assumption.

    And that's the problem now days. The assumption that if you voted for a Democrat... then you must have voted for everything that Obama wanted, or if you voted for a Republican... you must want everything Bush wanted. That's not necessarily true (at least it shouldn't be true).

    We need to be able to have opinions and thoughts that don't match the party-line. It's called "diversity" of thought. If your party doesn't support it.. that's a problem. Your assumption that if you voted Democrat you are eternally bound to like everything they do doesn't make sense.

    All Democrats voting one way, and all Republicans obligated to vote the another... is the main problem in American politics.

    Democrats and Republicans aren't going to change. We need more "Independents" in Washington. It would only take ~10 people to do it. There's currently a 6 seat majority in the senate. If we had ~10 independents... BOTH parties would have to convince ~half of the independents or fail.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Ah, yes, Mr. J Thompson to explain the Constitution to us. So here's my question: what if the House and Senate agree to pass a bill, which is subsequently signed into law by the President, reviewed by the Supreme Court and found constitutional. And then an election is held and power in the House changes hands. Does the bill remain law?
    The answer, by the way, is yes, it does.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    micawber,
    petulance, perfect description of reid. use "bully" for BO

    bluedevil,
    it's the law, why has BO delayed parts of it? We have immigration laws, why does BO refuse to enforce them? We have laws against voter intimidation, why does holder refuse to enforce them? Why do dems get to pick and choose which laws are enforced?

    ECR,
    Epithets you hurl against Lee and Chaffetz could more accurately be levied against bo and reid.

    lsdlib,
    Why is bo delaying implementing parts of it?

    Onevote
    BO is acting unchecked by disregarding enacted law, supreme rulings, and congressional elections. will he threaten the government and the economy until he gets unfettered power, then what?

    UltraBob,
    Your woeful misunderstanding of the constitution is troubling. See JThompson's comment.

    Shaun,
    Since passage of the 17th amendment, the states no longer select the senators; but it is still their duty to represent the states.

    atl134,
    You lose votes, you go to court OR claim gerrymandering.
    Please tell me how repubs gerrymandered in blue states and that dems did not.

    E Sam
    The newly elected house is not bound by what their constituents want?

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    @ E Sam,

    If Congress votes to change an existing law and that new law is either signed or Congress passes it over the President's veto, that new law takes precedence.

    Congress has the power to tax us, according to the Supreme Court. Congress, then, also has the power to remove taxes that it passed previously. That's exactly what happened. As Justice Roberts said, elections have consequences. The People saw that the Democrat controlled House was not listening to them when it passed ObamaCare. 59% of the people rejected ObamaCare. That didn't matter to the Democrats. They passed ObamaCare in spite of the wishes of the People; but, not one Republican voted for ObamaCare. That albatross is the fault of Democrats - entirely. Now, the Republican controlled House is listening to the People, who still want ObamaCare off their backs. The Senate still has hearing problems. The Senate rejects the wishes of the States. The Democrats in the Senate are determined to continue to force ObamaCare on us. Obama is lecturing us on his great plan to tax us more than any other President in history has taxed us. Some hero he is.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    If the President acted in an unconstitutional manner, the remedy is to take the matter to the Courts. Such is the remedy provided in the document you so regularly quote, not to threaten mayhem unless your demands are met.

    J.T. says the "people" don't want Obamacare. Yet eleven months ago the "people" spoke clearly when they reelected the President to a second term with a majority of the vote and a landslide in the electoral college. During the campaign, the issue was discussed on a daily basis and was a major point of difference between the candidates. The Constitution says your next chance to weigh in is in November 2014.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    2 bits.

    The only thing I know about the Tea Party is what I read, hear and see on the business controlled news media. I went to a couple of John Birch Society meetings years ago but the atmosphere of hate and phony patriotism was too much for me to bear. It was about that time I realized that I must be a liberal.

    The Tea Party rally in Washington convinced me that they were not ordinary Americans. The left no trash on the street and didn’t tip over even one police car. Their bragging about being so clean and moral only made me think that they place themselves well above the real Americans.

    I tried to find a Constitutional principal for you but came up blank. Seems like there are a lot of words telling what we can and cannot do but the principals are left up to the reader. And with all the word meanings that seem to have changed from then to now, It’s hard to do.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    @J Thompson
    SPRINGVILLE, UT

    Those who know little about the Constitution keep telling us that the Senate has upheld ObamaCare and that the President has upheld ObamaCare. They either don't know or they choose to ignore the fact that the House represents the people. The Senate represents the States. The President represents the nation to other nations.

    The People have told their Representatives that they don't want ObamaCare.

    =========

    Apparently you still don't know how the Constitution works -- let me explain it to you in a nutshell...

    The House of Representatives has brought the "repeal Obamacare" up for a vote 42 times over the last 2 1/2 years and it isn't going anywhere.

    per the Constitution.

    [That's how the 3 separate branches of our Government works - a system of Checks and Balances.
    So then, why are you so bent on trampling the Constitution?]

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:08 p.m.

    The House passed it,
    The Senate Signed it,
    The President signed it,
    the Supreme Court has ruled on it.

    If you want it over turned,
    get the votes and follow the Constitution.

    BTW --
    Ask Al Gore about what the American people wanted and how worthless having the most votes really means...

    ...and we LIBERALS had to bite our tongues and "follow the Constitution" while watching GW Bush trash America for 8 long years...

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil:
    "Taylor..... Obamacare is in effect. Sorry if you missed the memo."

    Immigration laws (you know, those laws about people entering our country without permission) are also in effect... Obama didn't miss that memo. He intentionally thumbs his nose at lawful acts of the US Congress.

    "But the ship has sailed. Now the option is course correction."

    The only option, of course, is to de-fund Obamacare and eventually kill it if we are to survive as a nation. Because of Obamacare is killing us... Already we have been turned into a part time work country with millions of workers being permanently laid off.

    And while we're at it, we should also impeach the guy and send him back to Kenya.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    @Mike Richards

    Good post, Mike. You're exactly right. I don't understand why House Republicans don't use their Constitutionally assigned power of the purse.

    Let's see who's holds the majority in the US Congress.

    Counting noses in the House and Senate... the Republicans have 270 members; the Democrats have 265 members. The Republicans outnumber Democrats in Congress by 30.

    @T. Party:
    "Observe how much [Obama] really cares about the middle class. And observe how serious he really is about changing the way things are done in Washington."

    Obama has ulterior motives. There's ample evidence he is trying to ruin this country. The jihadists have announced the way to ruin America is to ruin it financially. Obama is making giant strides in that direction. What's even more alarming is Obama has the Democrats on his team!

    @ECR
    "We had an election and the ACA supporters won."

    Not quite... The Republicans, who are against Obamacare, won in the House.

    "Then the ACA won in the Supreme Court."

    Not so. The Court said no one can be forced to buy anything. And it actually illegally changed the law by calling a 'penalty' a 'tax.'

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:56 a.m.

    @CHS 85:
    "Here's a KEY difference. DOMA was found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court when it was arbitrated at that level. The ACA, on the other hand, would found constitutional by the same Supreme Court."

    Not so.

    The Court held that the government cannot force anyone to buy anything (including health insurance). The Court did say, however, that the government has the power to tax, which tax will be levied on those who don't buy insurance. But the Court violated the US Constitution by altering the Obamacare law changing 'penalty' to 'tax.'

    @Grover:
    "J.T. says the 'people' don't want Obamacare. Yet eleven months ago the 'people' spoke clearly when they reelected the President to a second term..."

    Obama was reelected because he (illegally) provided amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. The immigrants didn't vote, but their friends and family did... by the millions. Had nothing to do with Obamacare.

    @LDS Liberal:
    "...and we LIBERALS had to bite our tongues and 'follow the Constitution' while watching GW Bush trash America for 8 long years..."

    And you liberals have to bite your tongues while Obama runs our country into unprecedented national debt.

  • Mr. Bean Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2013 1:11 a.m.

    Here's your Obamacare in action...

    "A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page."

  • JPinFL Palm Bay, FL
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    @J Thompson -

    True, the Republicans hold the greatest number of seats in the House. However, in the last election, the Democrats received over one million more popular votes for the House than the Republicans did. So, via gerrymandering, the Republicans were able to gain the majority of the seats in the House, however it is not exactly correct to state that they represent the people. The majority voted for Democrats.

    The Senate can't be gerrymandered.

    Just saying....

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    I count three posts in the last eight hours that say in fact that: the Supreme Court violated the Constitution. One wonders what these folks would assume then that the remedy would be since according to our system of government, the Supreme Court is the highest arbiter of what is and what is not Constitutional? Daily on these very pages we see the long term effects of the substandard Utah education system.

  • trekker Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Why should us citizens have Obama care now when Obama gave businesses 1 more year, He doesn't have the legal authority to give them more time. Once Obama care was law the legislative branch of our government would have to give the okay to modify or change it, including giving businesses more time. Legally businesses are not in compliance. So far most people I have spoke to going on the healthcare website have said their quote is more than what they where paying before. My HR went to a insurance meeting and the attorneys could not even explain all that is detailed in Obama Care. Does this concern anyone? The Repubs are asking to delay Obama care for a year like he has done for the businesses so everyone can figure this mess out. They have also sent 3 budgets that would have fully funded the government minus Obama care but they have been rejected by the democrats. sound like they are trying to level the playing field between companies and citizens. Is Obamacare that important to shut the government down over? I ask both parties that.

  • Mkithpen Sandy, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    Executive Orders are supposed to be the exception not a way to rewrite or navigate around the Constitution. This President has run amuck and unchecked at every turn in the road. I like what Lee and Cruz are doing and how they are getting support from the House. I only wish that the leadership in their Senate had the courage to stand up to the President and provide some checks and balance.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    atl134

    The districts were the same when the Republicans won the House in 2010. It wasn't gerrymandring it was enough people realizing what a dangerous group of dictators the Democrats in Congress had become with no opposition. Obamacare being the prime example.