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BYU sets record in September by throwing 0 passing touchdowns

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  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    Let's remember that Harbaugh recruited Taysom to Stanford to replace Andrew Luck. If Taysom were given the opportunities to pass that Andrew had, he too would have the same success and he would be a high NFL draft pick.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:04 a.m.

    So the more running yards we get the worse we do...I think that is what the chart is saying. I hope Hill can learn to pass, but learning to pass midway in the season might make some wonder how BYU happened to be stuck with no quarterback three seasons in a row?

  • Sweater In Rafters Franklin, IN
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:06 a.m.

    Good point Milly...

    Taybow should be a Heisman candidate soon! If the refs would only call a perfect game. Which I believe they will and can!

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    Need to be careful when you say "better team." Look at the NFL, and how many teams split their season series, or a team that lost in the regular season will win in the playoffs. You have to look at the entire season.

    When you look at last year, Utah beat BYU head to head, but finished the year ranked #67 (using the average of 120 power ratings, not subjective opinion polls) and the next best team they beat was #81 Cal at home. BYU finished ranked #34, and beside Utah the worst team they lost to was at #26 Boise St. by a single point. BYU was a much better team than Utah last year.

    Similarly, Utah St. finished #16 last year. Despite losing to BYU they didn't lose to the #67 team, and their on-field results show they were a better team than BYU last year.

    The BYU offense is still on a learning curve. The last 2 years BYU has finished the year higher ranked than Utah, and I think they will do it again this year.

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    LOL!

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Dooohhhhh!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    Not just last year, rhappahannock. Every year we are so much better. Tons of talent on this team is way better than Utah's. This is proven time and time again except in records.

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    T. Hill has thrown a lot of passes this year. He's passing the ball. He's just not completing his passes. He's thrown the ball 133 times this season. Only 54 of those passes were caught. He's thrown more interceptions (4) than touch downs (1).

    Hill has some really good receivers that are very frustrated right now because Hill would rather throw into the stands or into the grass. Hoffman is probably really mad right now. Hill thinks run first. Anae is just going along with it now, because he's lost all faith in the passing game.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    I am interested to see if Anae is able to develop a game plan which maintains last week's passing efficiency.

    Utah State is a 6 point favorite at home this week. I have to take the Cougars by 3: 24-20 - something like that. BYU loses the turnover battle 2-1 which leads to an easy 10 points. And the game will be decided in the last 5 minutes.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    @ rhappahannock

    "When you look at last year, Utah beat BYU head to head, but finished the year ranked #67 (using the average of 120 power ratings, not subjective opinion polls) and the next best team they beat was #81 Cal at home. BYU finished ranked #34, and beside Utah the worst team they lost to was at #26 Boise St. by a single point. BYU was a much better team than Utah last year"

    Rankings don't mean anything unless your playing for a National Championship or a BCS bowl game. BYU has a higher ranking because they played an extremely weak schedule. The Cougies lost to every decent opponent on their schedule and beat all the cupcakes to salvage their season. Utah played a much tougher schedule than the Cougies, which resulted in more losses. The only way you can judge two teams on who is better is head to head. Utah has now won 4 in a row, 9 of the last 12, and lead the series 57-34-4. That trend will continue when the two teams resume play in 2016. Utah is much better team than BYU and they prove it on the field every year.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Ernest T. Bass

    LOL!!! It's the refs, Ernest, it's the refs. They all hate byu...every last one of them.

    rise and shout.

  • cdchttrtn meridian, idaho
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Who cares about records or talent or who is better. What everyone should be talking about is BYU's offensive coordinator. Poor routes, poor play calling, poor coaching.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    If Taysom can't complete more than 40% of his passes, expect a Cougar L. USU's run defense will slow him down just enough.

  • Willie Saint George, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Years ago it was exciting to watch BYU play because they scored 40-50 points every game with this fast paced run and gun style of offense. They won most games even thought their defense gave up 35-45 points per game.

    Now the defense is getting better but the offense is BORING to watch. I think they have become very predicable for opposing defenses to control. Something needs to change in order to get my attention anymore. The last few years I have had to DVR every game and then decide later whether it would be worth watching. Usually a few minutes of ESPN highlights savor my curiosity regarding the game and then I end up deleting the recorded game.

    Bring back some exciting football games to watch BYU !!!

  • BigRedUtah SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Uh... I count 9 rushing touchdowns for September not the 5 on the graph.

  • MESOUTE Albany, NY
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    All you can really do is scratch your head and ask the question: What has BYU Football become under Roscoe?

  • goforit Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    How will BYU be ranked higher with a losing record. All of Utah's teams are average. Utah is the best, then USU, and then BYU.

    BYU I'm sorry it isn't going to get better next year. Look at the defense 7 of the top 8 linebackers are seniors, Sorenson is gone, nose tackle gone and I don't see much waiting to replace them. BYU will have to score a lot of points next year to win any games, which they have proven for four years that they can't. You can't have a good offense without an o-line. It's looking scary in the future. Keep your expectations real and then you won't get so mad. It is what it is.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    That's as many TD passes in September as wins over Utah in the last 4 years

  • pac12ute4life Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    Haha, BYU, as a regional school, isn't on the same level as Utah, a national brand. Utah has crushed BYU over the past decade, and it will only get worse. And Utah State? Utah has no need for a Mountain West team.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    This is a record that could stand for a long time! Tied(?) - certainly; however, not beaten!

  • dbrbmw Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    I want my BYU passing offense back!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    Atta boy! Paul James always liked records.

  • dbrbmw Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    Since the 1970 season BYU has won 6 more times against the U of U. Since the beginning of football at these two schools BYU has a National Championship, the U of U doesn't. BYU much more relevant.

  • daver Provo, 00
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    Mostly can't argue against Utah's being a better team, Clark. As a fan of both teams, but BYU first, I won't dispute that until BYU disproves it on the field. BYU's linebackers are better, but LB's alone do not a team make. However, the fact that Utah can play out of their minds against BYU and no one else, suggests only narrowly selective, momentary prowess, which does little to establish Utah as a great team. The Utes have yet to prove they are anything but a mid-major school lost in a BCS conference. To quote Louis L'Amour, "A ship does not sail on yesterday's winds;" the greatness of those teams which dominated Pitt and 'Bama are past.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    goforit
    "Look at the defense 7 of the top 8 linebackers are seniors, Sorenson is gone, nose tackle gone and I don't see much waiting to replace them...It's looking scary in the future."

    Hold on there, goforit...have you seen byu's 2014 schedule? Plenty of reason for optimism. byu's lack of talent will work out fine with their lack of competition next year.

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    dbrbmw,

    Gotta go back over 40 years huh to claim relevance? 14 years before I was born, and I'm older than any college football player, 9 years older than a 17 year old recruit.

    In the past 6 years Utah holds 4 more wins over the Y than the Y has over Utah. Utah has a top 5 finish and a National Coach of the Year. Utah was invited into a prestigious athletic and academic Conference, BYU tangos alone. Utah is struggling to stay relevant, BYU isn't even close.

    BYUs claim to be more relevant than Utah is as mythical as a Taysom Hill TD pass in September.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    @My perspective

    Yes I have seen BYU's 2014 schedule. The cupcake trend continues, as well as it will for BYU fans who claim being better than Utah despite losing to them each year. I get it. BYU wins more games and they are superior. That win last week tells me that BYU is back. And there are more awesome games to come; Houston, Idaho, and Nevada. And next year it gets even better. Yippee.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    To match a BYU post with a BYU post:

    "Since the beginning of football at these two schools BYU has a National Championship, the U of U doesn't. BYU much more relevant."

    "To quote Louis L'Amour, "A ship does not sail on yesterday's winds;"

    BYU's National Championship was 29 years ago. Utah's BCS wins were 9 and 5 years ago. The only question being asked in college football today is, "What have you done for me lately?" In other words, what have you done this year?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    So many "little" things can happen. A slip by a defensive player. A tipped ball. An accidental completion. Yet, for four games none of these happened. Zero touchdowns for a month. Is this the "perfection" that the Y hoped to achieve in their quest? If so, mission accomplished!

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    Riley and Taysom are great guys who are tough as nails but they haven't shown much skill at throwing the football. BYU needs a true quarterback. I think we should let Billy Green take the reigns for a quarter or two and see what happens.

    Lets hope that Tanner Mangum will be a true quarterback and pass the ball like Beck and Hall. Let the running backs do the running. Lets throw the dang football at Quarterback University. That's a novel idea?!?!?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    @rhappahannock

    Need to be careful when you say "better team." Look at the NFL, and how many teams split their season series, or a team that lost in the regular season will win in the playoffs. You have to look at the entire season.

    -------------

    So true, Air Force Lite is 7 plays from being 14-0 and competing with Alabama for the national title.

  • IrieUte west valley, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    "Every year we are so much better. Tons of talent on this team is way better than Utah's. This is proven time and time again except in records."

    Yes you are the bigger person no matter how much you insult, the better team no matter how many times you lose, just because people keep beating you doesn't mean you aren't the greatest! It's all so obvious in your mind you, just not in reality.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    Year in and out BYU's defense will be sound. If anything Mendenhall has proven that. The offense....for the past few years we've had a running athlete under center who cannot throw. Hill is not a quarterback by classic definition but a great athlete. That obvious will not work at this level. It forces the offense into a one dimensional game.

    Hill needs to be benched. Throw first, run second, scramble last. I'm not a 'hater' just noting what needs to happen, at least my opinion.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Who was the better team last year: Alabama, or Texas A&M who beat them? Oregon, or Stanford who beat them? Kansas State, or Iowa State who beat them? Have to take into account all games. It seems Utah fans only want their season judged on their best win of the year - over BYU, and not over the other 11 games of the year where they almost lost to #116 Colorado, and except for BYU beat no one in the top 80.

    Last time BYU played UCLA we beat them 59-0. Last time BYU played Washington we beat their Holiday Bowl champ team. Last time we played Oregon beat them 38-8. We're 2-1 over Oregon St. the last few years. There is ample evidence to believe that BYU would have done much better than Utah with the same schedule last year.

    There are much better statistics and analysis methods for college football, such as rankings composite which averages over 120 ranking systems. Sportswriters need to start looking at these to see what is really happening.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    It's becoming harder all the time to be a fan of Bronco Mendenhall. He has single handedly destroyed BYU's offensive tradition and replaced it with a tradition of coach speak and fluff. Always promises of how they will execute better. No matter how well executed, boring football is still boring!

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    @Pipes:

    Spot on, mate! lol

    Cheers, to the emotionless, wooden Keebler elf himself!

    This is football. It's okay to get excited for your kids. It's okay to show a little emotion. Imagine how differently the team might play, if they knew their coach was as stoked as they were during game time? Lighten up, Brother Mendenhall.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    When I look at the BYU offense I see a team without an offensive identity. They have some great talent and it's sad to see those great athletes flounder. Everyone keeps bagging on Anae but here is my question. Who is the elite level offensive coach that BYU can bring in to right the ship? The list of potential replacements is thin. I don't see an established LDS offensive coordinator out their with the experience to right the ship. Maybe their is a young guy out there, but they need to find him.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    No touchdown passes in the month of September. This is BYU football??

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    What a pointless, stupid and useless article.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    Rhappahannak

    I love how you play connect the dots when comparing Utah and BYU. Why not compare head to head games? That's how every other fan base compares there team to there rivals. Utah is better this year and has been the last 4 years, accept it.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    The problem with BYU's offense, from biggest liability to least:

    1. The offensive scheme. Go fast and Go hard is fine but the rest of it is just too predictable and too easy to defend.
    2. Blocking. The QB is NOT getting protection. Back-up QB's would struggle just as much in passing if they don't get protection. At least Taysom has legs to get him out of trouble that the back-ups don't have.
    3. Receiving. Poor lazy routes and poor catching. Bring back Ben Cahoon!
    4. Passing. Taysom needs to work on his touch. There are times to sling it and times to have the softer touch. It would also help to allow Taysom some time to read the defense.

    2-4 will improve, but the coaches won't change their scheme or play-calling so this team will never reach their passing potential, no matter who they put behind center. At least the current QB has a pretty potent weapon to fall back on in his legs. Until we see some significant improvement in any of 1-3, Hill is still the right guy for the job.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    Ha Ha we beat byu because we are in a bcs conference and that means we are better than byu.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    Hey Pac12 ute for life..maybe no need for a MWC team on the schedule (where does that leave the almighty Utes playing Weber State?) but I do see at least four Pac 12 loses coming up in the next few months....the winning part of your season is probably over. A few more years of the Pac 12 and you will begin to feel like an Aggie fan a few years ago.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    Ernest T. Bass

    What does it say about BYU fans that the first few times I heard you post I actually thought you were a BYU fan?

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    Why is there so much focus on last year or even last week? The reality facing us in less than 48 hours is an Aggie runaway victory. USU wins and big!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    Utah a national brand? LOL! Myth busting scenario for ya.... Schedule a neutral field game two consecutive weeks... The same opponent meeting first Utah and then BYU.... For laugh's sake, let's pit Oklahoma against Utah and then BYU at Cowboys Stadium and see who outdraws at the stadium and who gets viewed in more homes with every condition the same... Meaning opponent, field, television.... That will give ya the proof in the pudding 'national brand'. Oh how the BCS conference alignment has blinded the masses! What's shocking is that silly comment garnered 5 likes... How is that even possible? Oh yes, ignorance runs blissfully in packs...

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:38 a.m.

    "There is ample evidence to believe that BYU would have done much better than Utah with the same schedule last year."

    Let's point out what byu has in fact done against The PAC-12, covering from its inception in '11--

    byu is a resounding 2-4 to date, w/both wins coming against teams finishing at the bottom of the conference standings, while getting absolutely brutally curb-stomped at home by the sole 2 teams finishing w/a winning record, to the tune of 96-34. We don't yet know what The U's final record in '13 will be, but they lost to our 5-7 team last year and have lost to us during each of The PAC-12's 3 years in existence.

    Not to mention that not only was our SOS significantly stronger last year, but other than a lucky 3-PT win over usu at home last year, byu hasn't beat a good team in years.

    What byu fans don't openly acknowledge, is the vast difference in playing against a week in, week out grind of a schedule, w/out built-in breathers/weeks off in between the tougher games.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    That's why Utah took a week off after the BYU game? Must have been tuff for them and they knew it.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    It's all because of lack of proper execution.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Didn't Bronco once say " Offense, I just can't wrap my head around it "?
    Hmm---- Really ?
    How can a defensive dude like Bronco prepare a defense without knowing offenses ?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    USNGary--

    "That's why Utah took a week off after the BYU game? Must have been tuff for them and they knew it."

    ucla has had the same, identical bye-week, per PAC-12 scheduling. Therefore, zero advantage to either team.

    This is a routine occurrence w/in our conference. See usc/ua this week/next week.

    w/byu, it's entirely otherwise, w/bye-weeks placed preceding both The U/WISC, MTSU before usu, UH before bsu, and Idaho State before ND.

    There's zero comparison between the two schedules, which accounts for the enormous disparity in Phil Steele's rankings, w/byu #49 and The U #12.

  • stephen29 American Fork, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    WOW!!! Wouldn't surprise me if they went through October either, they don't throw the ball very well. Don't think this is the way the Oregon Offense works! They score TD's on the ground and through the air and they do it quickly, not many 3 and out's!! Did anyone watch the Oregon California game the other night,you need great talent, great speed & a quick playing surface to run that offense. BYU is average in talent & speed and they play on grass.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    @pac12ute4life
    On every BYU article you've posted recently, often more than once, that Utah is a national school & BYU is not. There's much more to being a national university than being noticed in football for two years back a decade ago, before your coach runs off to bigger things at the first opportunity.

    And even if we limit the conversation to athletics, Utah can't seem to walk and chew gum at the same time. When has their men's BB and FB teams been any good at the same time? How many other perennial powerhouse teams does Utah field? Oh yeah--women's gymnastics. Ski team? Give me a break. How many schools/conferences even have ski teams? Really tough to dominate in a sport no one else takes seriously, huh.

    And if you are talking what is supposed to be the primary mission of a university, with the possible exception of the medical program, Utah doesn't even make a ripple. Meanwhile the Wall Street Journal lists BYU ranked #11 nationally by college recuiters, ahead of programs such as Cornell, Cal Berkeley, Ohio State, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, USC.

    So give it a rest already