Looks like he's going all in.
I'm glad to hear that Sen. Lee isn't backing down. Obama has received
so much money for his so called healthcare reform. He has caused this nation
trillions more dollars of debt because of it. Stick to your guns Sen. Lee.
He should resign if the Affordable Care Act is not repealed.
Senator Lee, you will end up being on the wrong side of history with this issue.
Your name will also be in the wrong row on the ballot for my vote next go
around. We need serious representatives in the US Senate from the state of
Utah, not radical extremists who don't offer reasonable alternatives to a
good but not perfect health care law that will finally provide much prayed for
healthcare to millions of Americans. Utah can do a lot better in selecting
candidates for the US Senate!. As a former Republican converted to a
Conservative Independent, I think Jon Huntsman would make an outstanding Senator
or President of the United States. Please run again for office Governor
Are people wrong in wanting the same insurance coverage that Senator Lee has and
for the same price?
I want the same health care Congress has.....
As sad as it is for those who are being furloughed is, far, far and away is the
tyranny and loss of liberty, and the dependency and loss of self respect that
comes with socialism, including the loss of lives resulting from a government
takeover of the health care system. Thank you senator lee. Two terms and out
before you lose your soul like the kingmen that are there before you. A corrupt
politician is not a cliche. It is what happens to those who stay. Get out
while you are still a good man.
MeckofahessWhat is your alternative? You cry that Senator Lee is an
extremist and offers no solution but you are more guilty than he is. I see
Senator Lee as extremely principled--he has taken a hard stand against a
hardened and cruel not to mention corrupt system that has usurped power from we
the people. I disagree that he is standing on the wrong side of the
History. He may not win the battle against a corrupt and powerful foe but, he is
standing for you and for me and someday you may thank him rather than revile
him.This time, this very issue of Obama care, in my opinion is a
defining moment in the history of the US. I fear the worst if Mr. Lee fails.
The ACA (Affordable Care Act) was fought under the normal legislative process.
If the Republican Congress wants to repeal Obamacare, it should be through
normal procedures but instead, they are refusing to pay the bills they incurred
until the President just hands it over to them. That is not normal, that is not
the way the government is supposed to operate, and it circumvents the proper use
of checks and balance and divided government. CP of Tooele, I do
hope you are aware that Obama has added the least amount of new debt out out of
the last five Presidents (excepting President Clinton). Note the keyword is
new, meaning "new" debt. Most of the Trillions added to during the last
four years was "legacy" debt. "Legacy" means debt that is
ongoing due to past Presidents and Congresses. For instance, TARP was legacy
debt. Prescription drug benefits costs is legacy debt; so is military spending
from the wars in the Middle East. The list goes on and on, but I hope this
helps you understand debt a bit better.
As a former Republican I recall NO, NOT 1, GOP leader asking GW Bush to curb any
spending. Now you all fight the Healthcare reform law which was a GOP idea to
begin with. How do I know this? Gee, I was one who supported this GOP model
that Romneycare and Obamacare are patterned after the Sutherland Institute
plan.The BIGGEST question to my former GOP. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO
REPLACE IT WITH? You know why NO GOP politicians has an answer? Because Obama
used their plan.If Romney was president, he would just RENAME the
Affordable care act and keep it the exact same with the MANDATE. Then he would
give his campaign pledge 2 Trillion on top of Pentagon requested budgets and
none of you conservatives would oppose this spending just like none of you
opposed any GW Bush spending.
Bandersen: "Get out while you are still a good man."In my
view, it's too late. His pride is costing Americans much more than just a
The real irony is that the ACA is not subject to the shutdown of discretionary
funding. Its funding guarantee was passed (by both houses of Congress) at the
same time as the rest of the act.So while it's good to see
Matheson calling for a spending bill that includes the ACA funding, either he or
the DN reporter has the wires crossed.The shutdown won't affect
the ACA one way or another--the exchange websites are online right now. The
republicans are just holding the rest of government hostage until they get their
way on ACA.
If the GOP has the guts and intestinal fortitude and the votes to repeal the
Affordable Care Act, then DO IT ON IT'S OWN MERITS. Attaching it to all
other bills PROVES Republicans cannot pull it off and are willing to paralyze
the country to get their way. They have offered ZERO compromise and a long list
of demands.I know the GOP playbook because I used to be GOP. They
put party and power before country. They didn't bother to lift a finger
during the Recession, instead they tried to pass dozens of body control
bills.Thank goodness I saw the light and am an Independent now.
American Voters now yearn for the "old days" when the older, more
seasoned legislators had control over the younger, ego driven newcomers. Then
newbies were told to "sit down, shut up, pay attention, listen and
learn".America also recalls the day after Barack Obama was elected
when it was decided by the GOP at the post election meeting of Republican
leaders to say "NO" to anything our President presented to
legislators.America also vividly remembers the Tea Party whipper snappers
vowing to "shutdown the government, if it was the last thing they ever
did" as they assumed their positions following the 2010 election.What's next?
A large majority of Americans wanted expanded background checks for guns--but
were ignored by legislators. Should we employ shutting down the govt. to
achieve it? It is sheer lunacy to expect a twice-elected
(Democratic) Pres. and a Democratically controlled Senate to abandon the
signature achievement of his presidency. Ain't going to happen. Most
Americans know the Tea Party Republicans are expecting too much and don't
like their bully tactics. Unfortunately this extremist group--led by Cruz and
Lee--have little risk when facing re-election. But Republicans in more moderate
districts should be very concerned about the next election. Barely
one in four (26%) approve of congressional Republicans’ handling of budget
negotiations, while 34% approve of their Democratic counterparts and 41% approve
of Obama’s approach. (Washington Post/ABC poll)46% said
that if government agencies and programs start closing on Tuesday, they would
fault Republicans in Congress while 36% said they would blame Obama, the CNN
survey found. 13% said both would be at fault.The Quinnipiac poll
also shows Democrats with a 9-point lead on the 2014 House generic ballot
— a historically wide edge.
What does it matter what the blowhard Lee thinks at this point? The Senate
already passed its version--which the House leadership wouldn't even put to
a vote in the house, precisely BECAUSE there was a bipartisan group of GOPs an
Dems large enough to pass it!There is nothing principled about this.
It is self-indulgent grandstanding that hurts real people.Shame on
Lee and the rest of Utah's delegation.
Senator Lee is fighting a battle he can't win. With egg on his face, he is
simply following his ego. He is completely delusional and hurting thousands of
others at his expense. It never pays to have an idealistic but extremely naive
Senator. As the former senator Enid Greene Mickleson stated, "This
isn't about being conservative or not conservative. This is about whether
people are willing to deal in the real world." Lee is letting his ego hurt
others by trying to be a hero.
Utah could do a lot better than Sen Lee.If getting rid of Pres Obama
and his policies is more important to someone reading my comment than insuring
the orderly running of the Government, and the balance between its three
branches, may I suggest you are the suckers who swallowed the lies.Health care should have been fixed by Nixon or Reagan -- but there is too much
money for rich interests in it the way it exists, so they dupe America that it
did not need fixing.
Conservatives say that Obamacare will cause more harm than good so getting rid
of it will prevent that harm. I don't agree with that... at all, and
Republicans have nothing to show for the "replace" part of the
"repeal and replace" part but let's give them the benefit of the
doubt that they're sincere about this. I assume that Republicans, being
decent people, also don't want to see Obamacare fail (if we're
"stuck with it"). Here's the part I don't
understand... if you think Obamacare is a net negative, and you also sincerely
don't want to harm anybody, why defund Obamacare? Defunding it doesn't
keep it from being law AND you worsen the state of it which would only make it
more harmful to people. What is the reasoning behind this? Can one of you
conservatives help explain that because the only logical thing to me is that
Republicans do want to see Obamacare fail and they want to sabotage it without
care about the American people. What am I missing?
Obamacare a "right" to be punished if you do not BUY insurance. Sad how
AMERICA is taken on a ride by the nose AGAIN... Obamacare is a catastrophy
waiting to happen. It criminalizes people by forcing them to take insurance and
punishes you if you do not. Not so in a free world. It builds on a foundation of
bad old mistakes, political fiascos! If you build ANYTHING new, rhe first thing
you build is a foundation. The foundation OCare is built on is the world's
most expensive, that failed to offer anything affordable. Sad that politicians
cannot fix this, and the media is too ignorant to get the story straight. The
dishonesty for the sake of political advantages is almost criminal. If O and
Demos would have taken GOPs propossal to cut LAWYERS, CLASS ACTION, LIABILITY
out of medicine the cost of med would have gone down 20-25% overnite (liability
issue handled differently). BUT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THESE REAL ISSUES!
While lamenting Obamacare, the Republicans have focused only on repeal while
stating that they had a better health care plan. Well, where is it? If
there's things that they don't like about Obamacare, why haven't
they proposed legislation to fix it? After 42 votes to defund Obamacare, and a
trip to the Supreme Court, why won't the Republicans face reality and offer
Americans an alternative other than nothing? They have only nothing and the
voters know it.
I remember distinctly the night the ACA was passed....Matheson sat by watching
to see if his vote would be needed to give us ACA.....he wasn't against
ACA, he didn't vote no...until long after it was decided......who wants a
elected official who acts this way.....you can't have it both ways JIM!
Enjoy your last days.....
I want to commend Senator Lee of Utah for his stand. So often we complain, some
of us, that Congress so often despises and arrogantly ignores the will of the
people who voted for them. When someone works to realize the popular will then
they should be commended; it is a refreshing change.The people said
NO to the big bankers but government said yes, and bailed them out at the
expense of the taxpayers. People say YES to capital punishment but legislatures
make it illegal or make it inordinately difficult to carry out even in the case
of a confessed murderer. People say NO to national health, repeatedly, in this
country, but a majority of legislators have now pushed it through and will not
let it go on any terms. Dissidents of either party are under pressure not to
fight it manfully.The House does have the initiative in money bills,
and it is one of the ways Congress never has to support standing army. But
legislators seem to like embarking on wars even though the people repeatedly say
NO.Power to the people!!
Let's talk the truth here folks! We TeaPublicans, in looking out for YOU,
tried everything possible to vote obamacare down in Congress...and we
couldn't get the job done! But now we have a whole lot of State
governments stepping up and are going to make sure they do everything possible
to make sure obamacare is NOT a success in their State! Our State Republican
governments will NOT help in getting basic information out...in fact we will do
everything we can to stand in the way! Come on man! All of us know darn well
that those millions of people that don't get Obama's insurance is a
small price to pay for taking back OUR America! And everyone of you know the
majority of those kind of people would NEVER vote Republican anyway...even the
few that actually vote! We TeaPublicans ARE now one step closer to fully
taking back our America in 2014 n 2016. Just wait and see... it's going
to be "P n P" in 2016.....Perry n Palin...just what America is waiting
If by taking a stand you mean grandstanding, yes, that's what he's
doing. I have no patience for anyone who says no and refuses to cooperate
without providing any alternative solutions to problems. Mr. Lee is
a big flashing barricade that keeps cars from entering a street that
doesn't need repair. Okay, maybe there are a few potholes that need to be
filled. Unfortunately, he hasn't provided any detours or alternative routes
for people to get the their desired destination. Good job, buddy!
I wonder how he would feel if he was out of a job like alot of government
employees! Get this guy out of office!
Good for Mike Lee! It's now or never! If we don't stop something so
horrible as Obamacare now, we are in for a world of hurt! And there will be no
recovering from it! He is willing to compromise on certain facets of the
budget. It's the Dems who are NOT willing to compromise. Whether he
shoots himself in the foot or not, I'm glad he's willing to stand up
and be counted. Yes, people are hurting now. My husband works for the AF and
could be furloughed indefinitely until the budget is resolved within a couple of
weeks. But, this is TEMPORARY! If the budget passes as is, we will ALL be in
The corruption is deep.After they were called out for not participating in
ACA, Congress signed themselves up.And they were all rushing to the press
to tell the world that in their largesse, they were just like us now.We
soon learned that their plan is still different. They all get subsidies
regardless of income level.That only leads me to believe they were trying
to deceive us.Whatever integrity there was in Washington it is gone
now.But I think people like Lee and Cruz are more candid than the rest. As
mentioned by bandersen above, the system corrupts even good men after a couple
Mr Mike, try looking in the mirror, if you're looking for train-wrecks to
avert. Stop punishing the people who actually care about this
country and work to getting a consensus to fix the ideaological issues you have
This thread does my heart good. And it should scare Sen. Lee worse than if he
had to walk on to a military base right now. The most conservative newspaper in
your home state (the most conservative state) has the majority of its posters
telling you that you are going to crash and crumble Sen. Lee. A smart boy would
For those who think Lee and Cruz are doing us favors, think again. Obamacare
whatever you think of it and I hate it, is the law. It is the function of the
executive to enforce the law and collect taxes (Obamacare is a constitutional
tax incidentally so declared by the SCOTUS). The only proper behavior now is for
the legislature to either repeal the law, or fund the law it passed. GOP
behavior at this point is lawless and should not be countenanced. If you
don't believe that, then turn it around and imagine the parties reversed
and issue one which you think vital and of which you approve. There are
consequences to losing elections and one of the major consequences is the right
to govern. The way the GOP is going nationally and on this budget matter
specifically is political suicide. If the law is really that bad (and I think it
is) then the GOP should stop the nonsense, pass the budget (heck any budget
would be nice -talk about not doing their job) and let the Dems reap what they
have sown. This way they the GOP isn't giving them a lifeline.
when you put out a fire, atl34, what do you replace it with?
If the ACA is such a bad law why is the GOP so desperate to stop it?
Do your job and get the government running! The ACA had been decided. The GOP
needs to move on and start working with Americans to get the country going
forward. It is time civility came back into politics.
You keep fighting Senator Lee. Yes please keep fighting. I also like the
comment above that if Obamacare is so great then why isn't Congress also on
it? Why did Obama let the big labor unions not do Obamacare if it is so
wonderful? Why is Obama himself not on Obamacare? I continue to say that
even IF Obamacare were wonderful (which it isn't) as a country we CANNOT
afford the Affordable Care Act. I'm telling you we cannot afford this. It
will financially ruin our country. Keep fighting Senator Lee. Thank you.
Translation: Mike Lee is having a hissy fit and won't stop his histrionics,
no matter how many people he hurts. Obama finally enacts the Republican health
care plan, which was hatched by the Heritage Foundation and enacted on a
statewide level in Massachusetts under Gov. Romney, and the Republicans go nuts.
How very typical. They would disavow motherhood and apple pie if it enabled
them to go against a Democrat. And somehow (with the aid of Fox News, talk
radio propagandists, and, I'm sorry to say, the Deseret News) they manage
to convince a portion of America that they are supporting the people.All the Republicans are doing is driving the US toward becoming a banana
republic, where a tiny percentage of the population owns everything and the rest
work for them, for whatever crumbs they can get.
The federal government is one of the largest employers in the state.Mr. Lee is not my representative but I have contacted mine and expressed my
displeasure at this shutdown. I suggest everyone here do the same.If these guys heard the voices of their constituents it might remind them who
they are working for.
I am having an extremely difficult time understanding what has happened to
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY in this great country of ours. It seems to me(personal
viewpoint folks)that our country is dangerously heading toward COMPLETE
responsibility for life, living, AND the pursuit of happiness all being the
responsibility of the government....Funny, I thought we were all
supposed to GROW up and be responsible for ourselves,i.e.if we don't make
enough get more education and training, if we don't have insurance then we
have larger on occasion bills(or sock money away for the "what ifs"),if
we are stupid(as a friend in Ca. once said she was)and slip down on hospital
property because of rain and we're in flip-flops we are hurt but don't
sue the hospital that comes out in force with forms for that purpose, if someone
snubs us and won't serve us etc we go elsewhere for business.,WHEN DID THE
GOV BECOME MOM, DAD, AND GOD TO AMERICA?????
About the only thing left to do for all these people that want socialism is to
propose and stand by the opposite, or close to the opposite, which would be
anarchy. Anarchy would be much preferable to Socialism. At least as an
anarchist, you still retain choice and liberty and perhaps a way to start over.
Socialism is a slow and painful death. As the character in the Shawshank
Redemption said, 'Get busy living or get busy dieing!' I'd
rather live with anarchy then die with Socialism.
Correction, Mike Lee is my senator but my representative still voted for the
Social Security. BrokeMedicare. BrokeMedicaid.
BrokeUS Post Office. BrokeAmTrak. BrokeFannieMae.
BrokeFreddieMac. BrokeIRS BrokeFederal Budget. Non-existent (go look it up, the Senate (controlled by
Dems), haven't passed one in years)Federal surplus Surplus? Are
you kidding? We're BROKE to the tune of $17 TRILLION (that's the
equivalent, folks, of 17,000 BILLIONS.And yet the Feds are going to
run Obamacare efficiently and on-budget?Riiiiight.....
What you are missing atl34,is the mindless hatred of Obama and all things Obama.
That hatred is the root of all this disgusting political chicanery.
So let me ask this:Why does a government shutdown matter?
What's the big deal? If the American population had generally spent LESS
than they earned, ie, saved some for a rainy day, then they would NOT have to
depend upon the government. It wouldn't matter or not if the government
shut down.Medicaid?You wouldn't need it.Medicare?You wouldn't need it.Social Security?You wouldn't need it.Sure, Social Security is YOUR
money. But unfortunately the government controls it. Therefore....if you
'depend' upon your Social Security money to survive each month, then
you 'depend' upon the Federal government.That is simply
irrefutable fact.Who else said that?Mitt Romney.Instead of seeing the truth of the matter, the liberal mainstream media
screamed that he was being "mean".....just a heartless, uncaring man.Right....Instead of electing a man who understood business
and had a record of turning government deficits around (Massachusetts...go look
it up) we got a man who had led nothing and done nothing, and did not improve
that record his first 4 years.Again, Romney called it as it is: if
you depend on the government, you are a dependent.
@A Guy With A BrainSocial Security - not broke... running a surplus
right now.As to the others, they for the most part are broke by
design. No government agency is funded to the level of being a profit center.
The government is not supposed to be collecting any more money then it needs.
US Postal Service - requested to change services levels to balance
its budget - was shot down by Democrat and Republican alike.Federal
Budget. - the House who is responsible for generating one.... hasn't
generated one in years... we can play this game for ever. The Senate
can't pass what doesn't exist. Both are being stupid. Bottom line.... the government is to never run at a surplus. They are not a
for profit company. They are not to collect more taxes then it needs to fill
its mission. Should it balance its budget.. .yes. I think everyone agrees on
that. But no part of the government should be generating a surplus...a
profit.And yes, many parts of the government work very well.... at
a cost far lower than the private sector ever would.
Meckofahess, Kings Court, JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtNone of these
posters and the others bring up the fact that OBAMA has granted waivers to a
bunch of big CORPs and unions.As what I have heard him say is that
he is unwilling to do the same thing for individual people. So I ask those
posters and others how is that right? How is it right that Obamas buddies get
exempted from the law and the rest of us don't?
Senators Lee, Rubio and Cruz. Three stooges without the humor. I have a son
with four kids who is on furlough. This is definitely lacking humor.
Exactly why I voted for him and will again.
When I start wondering why I am no longer a Republican a quick visit to the KSL
and DN comment boards always jolts my memory.
Despite the shutdown Sen Lee continues to pay himself while others are
furloughed. He says because he is still "working" What a joke. His
prinicples are one-- do anything to denigrate Obama and his greatest fear is
that Obamacare might actually work and Obama would get the credit. He is not
principled, he is just out to embarrass a president.
I wasn't sure what to think of Sen. Lee before all of this; I have a new
found respect for him now. He has had by far the best quote on this entire
issue, "I would be happy to fund the ACA if that was what we were asked to
fund. But it isn't. Obama has changed it multiple times illegally to
appease his donors. How can he change it outside the law and then not agree to
negotiate when others want to improve it."Not a single democrat
will address this issue.Keep strong Sen. Lee!
Mike in Cedar City "What you are missing atl34,is the mindless hatred of
Obama and all things Obama. That hatred is the root of all this disgusting
political chicanery."The big question is whether or not the
GOP's hatred for Obama will reach the same level of the Dems hatred for GWB
during his 8 years as president. It is going to be close...Of
course, to people like Mike that was "way different" and wasn't
"mindless hatred", was it.
A Government shutdown -- With only the bare essentials still open...Look around you folks, This is the Tea-Party utopia, fantasyland,
dream come true.Is THIS the sort of America you want to live in?Mike Lee wanted his shutdown, he got it.Look around you, is this guy helping or hurting Americans?
I am a Republican but this is one guy I will never vote for again. In fact, I
am so fed up with Congress, I will not vote for any incumbents. Their approval
rating is 10% or less and we continue to send them back to Washington??? Who
really is to blame here?
If something positive could be said about him, it's that he's sticking
to his post, and going down with the ship.
One party's philosophy is attempting to do the right thing for the
betterment of everyone.The other party's philosophy is based on greed
and selfishness. Why on earth are uninsured families a good thing? I've yet
to hear even one argument to make their point valid.
Sen Lee has worthless ideas. His way or the highway. Get Sen Lee off the front
page. Editorialize about realistic solutions, i.e. reopen the gov't to
normal operation and services, i.e. suggest changes to the ACA, i.e. cut the
military industrial complex 40% or more. But get Lee off his bully pulpit
because he's an embarrasment to Utah and he's on the wrong side of
history with this budget stalemate.
Way to go Senator Lee!
Ms. Mickelsen learned the wrong lessons from her time in the House, so it's
good that she's out now.The media screamed about the 1995
shutdown--plus the vacationers who couldn't see the Washington Monument or
whatever, plus many civil servants at the Navy base where I worked. Guess what?
In the next election, the Republicans held the House and gained 2 seats in the
Senate.So this selective memory about "the public didn't
like it then, and the Republicans paid the price for it in the next
election" is simply wrong. And I strongly suspect the same will happen in
2014--Republicans will keep the House and gain several seats in the Senate--if
the few conservatives in Congress just ignore the media (which ought to be a
standing rule for everyone in Congress) and keep at it. The reason
you don't see Democrats shut down the government as much is 1) they believe
in government, so it's like cutting their own throat, and 2) Republicans
always cave at the last minute. Get someone in as President who wants to stop
abortions after 20 weeks, and we'll see who shuts down the government next.
Mike Lee needs to read E. J. Dionne's editorial in the Trib. And then
What a concept! Scrutinizing and actually getting down to at least some details
of places where we can cut the budget! (responsible) Households do this all the
time: look at what costs can be cut to balance your own budget.Keep
it up Senator Lee. This is why we sent you to Washington - otherwise we would
have just mailed in Bob Bennett to be a Republicrat.
Sure, Social Security is YOUR money. But unfortunately the government controls
it.QUOTEAnd who controls the government?
@ UtahBlueDevil - "Social Security - not broke... running a
surplus right now."You don't really believe that, LONG
TERM, SS is healthy, do you?"As to the others, they for the most
part are broke by design."Uhh..."broke by design"?
Would you want a car or a home that I "designed" to "break"?
Would you want an organization designed to "break" to serve you?
I'm not asking for a profit, I'm asking for efficiency. US
Postal Service: wouldn't need a rates raise (again!) if it was run
efficiently.Federal Budget: WRONG! The House (now controlled by
GOP) generates the budget, the Senate (controlled by Democrats) approves it.
The House HAS proposed budgets, MANY budgets. The Senate has not approved them.
Sorry, but history and fact are not on your side. Federal coffers:
not asking for the Feds to turn a 'profit'. I'm demanding they
don't spend more than they take in. The haven't. Result: $17
TRILLION of debt."And yes, many parts of the government work
very well, at a cost far lower than the private sector ever would."Name some....I've worked for the Feds for 22 years! Your
opinion is simply incorrect.
Everyone makes it seem like Lee is the SINGLE only person standing in the way of
the government working....the pin that has to be toppled by any means necessary
before life as we know it can continue....
You don't like our laws and will not obey them?USA has a stand
already, we do not negotiate with terrorists.Too bad Sen Lee feels
he is not subject to the laws of the land.
@ Gildas - LOGAN, UT - "Sure, Social Security is YOUR money. But
unfortunately the government controls it. QUOTE And who controls the
government?"The quote above about the government controlling our
Social Security funds is my quote so I'll reply to it...Tell
you what, Gildas, if you really think you "control" the federal
government, why don't you just trot down to your local Social Security
Admninstration building, show them your ID and demand that they give you every
last red cent of YOUR Social Security money you've payed in over the years
and see what happens. All of it, paid in full, right now.Still
think you "control" the government?Oops....UtahBlueDevil (above) wants us to think that the Fed Gov't operates many
functions cheaper than any civilian company could yet he fails to give a single,
specific, certifiable example.None.And even if he could
show any example, the only reason it could do it "cheaper" is if it was
getting government subsidies to do it, in essence, admitting they can NOT do it
cheaper than a private company.Go watch some Jon Stossel on TV and
learn how the Feds REALLY operate.
Senator Lee if you don't like Obamacare then file legislation to repeal it
and let it go through the legislative process. That's it.
Nothing more. That's how the government works. Politics 101.What you are doing now should land you in jail. Completely shutting down
funding of the government just because you're mad. You are
hurting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. I only
wish I lived in Utah so I could my vote against you.
Three cheers for Lee! A true patriot standing up against the powerful
politicians and media....trying to help even those too blinded about losing
"...not backing down...".The very junior senator with the
quixotic ACA obsession refuses to back down...Wonderful..."...despite shutdown impacts...".lee is immune from any
shutdown impact.lee will continue to collect his salary from the
heritage foundation.As long as he continues to do the bidding of jim
demint, he will be held harmless.2016 cannot get here soon enough.
Shame on Senator Lee. Extortion and blackmail is a terrible way to govern. He
shows a blatant disregard for the Constitution, the will of the people, and our
system of government. Instead of upholding the law, he wants to impose a banana
republic way of governing. Shame, Senator, shame.
Mike Lee's Senate career has been marked by obstructionism. At least the
man is consistent. Too bad he doesn't seem to have a viable plan to provide
affordable healthcare access to the millions of Americans without insurance.
@A Guy With A Brain... to quote you - I return the volley..."Your opinion
is simply incorrect."Many parts of the government run as well as
or better than the private sector. Apple, now the worlds most valuable brand,
just released a new release iOS7 - which was filled with issues. Google,
another poster child of success, has had numerous flops. Name a private
company, and I can show you a hundred ways they are run imperfectly. Tried to
get to customer service from your bank, cable or cell phone company recently....
you think they are responsive? People love to pick on government
workers, then give corporate America a pass. Any organization that size has
issues. But every single day, the FAA ensures thousands of flights and
passengers cross the nation safely. Every single day, our military protects
this nation as good or better than some private military could - with less graff
and vice attached.Spend 22 years in the private sector - you'll
find the same. As to Sen. Lee.. he should sacrifice as much as he
is asking others sacrifice for his principles. He should turn down his pay
check until this is settled.
@On the other handRiverdale, MDToo bad he doesn't seem to
have a viable plan to provide affordable healthcare access to the millions of
Americans without insurance.10:15 a.m. Oct. 2, 2013============ Agreed, But, the problem is, and the most
ironic thing about all this, is that the ACA [Obamacare] WAS the Republican
Stopping a train wreck by blowing up the train equates to what radicals like Lee
have done to the US economy. Thank you Senator Lee for putting people out of
work, destroying private investment in the stock market and likely getting the
United States downgraded once again by the credit agencies. Hopefully you are
successful in removing our rights as United States citizens for affordable
Mike Lee is the trainwreck here... and we will stop it by making him one-term
Mike Lee and Ted Cruz needs to be willing to make the same sacrifice for their
principles they are asking 800,000 others to make on their behalf. Causing
these people to not be able to meet their mortgages, pay their utilities, or put
food on the table or fuel in their tanks so that these two can take a principled
stand... that is not patriotic.The founding fathers did not ask
others to make greater sacrifices for this nation than they themselves would
make. Each and everyone of them knew that they would be hanged, if caught, for
treason by the crown. What these Tea Partiers are doing is asking others to
sacrifice what they themselves will not. They are not turning down their own
pay checks. They are not refusing the benefits of government health care.Until they are willing to make the same sacrifice that they are asking
or compelling others to make on their behalf, they are the least of the
patriots. Don't ask others to sacrifice what you yourself are unwilling
to make, no matter how "right" the fight you are making.
This Republican obstructionism is cementing the fact the Hillary will be our
president for the next two terms.The GOP is doing itself no favors here.
"Sometimes you have to take a stand and it doesn't matter how many
people you hurt or how unlikely you are to win." This attitude is going to
split the Republican party. Those who disagree will become the new Republicans;
those who agree will spin off into a new party. Nothing will prevent this
because Republicans are doomed in 2016 in any case, so there is no point in
The GOP does not want us to have the opportunity to get the same healthcare they
enjoy. It seems that they would want to see "ailing" americans without
health insurance. We need healthy strong people to keep the USA the leader of
the World. But, if the congress cannot make a decision on the government
shutdown, perhaps, they should not be paid like the furloughed employees.
While this lifelong Democrat is enjoying the implosion of the GOP congress, I am
very concerned for our shared future. Obama care must be very needed and wanted
judging by the 10 million people who tried to enroll on the first day. The
health care system is not working for the 40 million uninsured who see a doctor
only after being neglected to the point of critical care. This costs all of us
money through higher costs at hospitals and insurance rates. So, what is the
Republican plan to improve health care to those 40 million neighbors?When
the dust clears and Congress try's to get reelected next year, I will
remember who put the Democrats back in the house as leaders of the people.
Thank you tea party.
This man is going to wreck our economy, and possibly the economy of the world.
He has no idea what damage he's about to cause if the debt limit vote is
stalled and the US defaults.
How convenient that the HealthCare.gov website went down after the government
shut down!This way Americans can't flip out before the govt
reopens to see online that they can't afford the premiums and outrageous
deductibles! Sen. Lee will be their hero! One family stated that
they are being forced to pay $8,000 a year for their family of 5 kids. They have
a $5,000 deductible. Which means they will pay for all of their healthcare bills
out of pocket because it is rare that a catastrophic health issue will occur
that will cost over $5,000. So, in reality they will be paying up to $13,000 a
year for simple sore throat treatments that shouldn't cost more than $150
per sore throat. Ridiculous! These people have the right to spend their $13,000
the way they want: better nutritious food, good clothing for their kids, rent,
student loans, etc.Obamacare will NOT COVER MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY
if you work for a 50+ employee corporation, according to Bill Clinton's
speech on 9/4/2013.
If Obamacare is so wonderful why did the democrats in congress vote to be
exempted from it along party lines. Once again the press has done
their job in protecting the guilty and blaming the innocent and many people are
falling for it - again!
@banderson "All the wealthy should have their wealth confiscated and given
to the poor. I don't understand how I can live in a country where the rich
exist at the expense of the poor. Anybody making more than $50K should have to
give it to the government..."The country you want is CUBA. You
should visit it sometime and bask in its economic success.I was born
very poor. My parents lived paycheck to paycheck. But I went to school, learned
some valuable skills, and now I am in the upper middle class. Who knows, I may
even be in the top %5 or the top %1 that everyone keeps talking about (I'm
not sure if that figure is based on wealth or income). Liberals now dispise me
and want to take everything I have worked for.The point is: Liberals
only like the poor as long as they stay poor.
I would consider myself a conservative but first I am a patriot who defends
democracy. I don't understand why Lee is against democracy. The people
elected a congress and a President who by majority passed the Health Care Act.
Why doesn't Lee follow the people's decision and work within the
system to fix it. Or maybe Lee (since he has all the health care he needs)
doesn't believe Single Mothers or Widows or unemployed should have
affordable health care. I don't like it when Sen Lee blackmails the
government using people's paychecks and the services they need to get his
minority agenda done.Become a patriot and use democracy to get your agenda
Republicans think we have the best health care system in the world and nothing
is wrong with it. This may be true if you are fortunate to have employment with
good benefits. What about students, self employed or people working on
commissions. This whole mess is not the fault of government. It is the fault
of insurance companies who refused to cover pre-existing conditions and cancel
coverage on sick people. Health care should be affordable and available to all
who need it. Health care is not something you earn a right to as many
conservatives believe. See Alma chapter 1 in the Book of Mormon. I fail to
see how shutting down the government is going to accomplish anything. I am a
republican and I never supported Lee. I saw all this coming.
If Europe who's in Finland can see the mess of obamacare, why can't
most who live here in The United States see it? I have lived in a socialist
country before and they have a healthcare set up like this and it doesn't
work. The health care is of very poor quality, people don't get the help
they need. It's a big wash. I'm glad that Sen. Lee is fighting this
and hasn't backed down like most have.
and to think they got rid of Bennet a good man that worked for the good of all
and with the other party. the tea party ideal is costing more money than they
will ever cut from the budget that they never will agree on anyway and the
people that are being hurt is the poor and the working class and soon the small
companies that they say are so important will be hurt by people that no longer
will be able to spend money and then the economy will go down hill. maybe they
want a depression to get rid of the middle class so we can all be low paid
Welcome to a world where elected officials proudly proclaim the ways in which
they attempt to subvert the constitution in order to pander to their base.
Bottom line: passed both houses, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme
Court. The only way to Constitutionally change it is through new legislation.
They cannot do that, because the voters rejected them at the last elections. So
they are willing to wreck the economy in a high-stakes temper tantrum. Of course, it won't work because the ACA is fully funded despite
Why can't the Pres,the Senate and the House meet together in a conference
and settle their differences and simply do the best thing for the American
people. It is complete craziness and arrogance that they are not meeting to
resolve differences, get the government operating. My understanding is that we
have three equal branches of government. They each should have a say and then
they negotiate a solution. If Obama and Reid are refusing to meet to hammer out
a solution then they should be blamed for the continued shutdown, everyone
should grow up and act like responsible people.
The Tea Party gang are a few bad apples that are spoiling the honor and
reputation of the GOP. The GOP needs to clean them up before it is too late.
232 years for America to accumulate $4 Trillion dollar debt. 5 years for
America to go to $17 Trillion dollar debt.Enough said...
@meckofahessYou wouldn't have voted for Senator Lee regardless
as you care only about having the government get you everything they can get you
and senator Lee opposes that sort of thing. He doesn't care about your
"vote" because you would never vote for someone that believes in freedom
and self sufficiency. Your "threat" to withhold your vote is hollow and
The conservatives must be doing something right in the House right now. The
liberals are all up in arms right now.The liberals have the same
basic lies that they are trying to perpetuate.My favorite is the
"It's the law, and the Supreme Court agrees, so we can't change it
now". If that was true, we should never have ended the Jim Crow laws,
slavery, women shouldn't vote, and so forth. Just because the SCOUTS
doesn't strike down a law does nto mean it can be removed some other
way.Another great one is the "Where is the Republican plan?"
Well, the republicans have offered several plans, but the best plan is to not
have a plan, and to deregulate the health insurance industry.Some
say that the ACA will be good. The problem is that it is bad because it has
already trippled in cost, and has raised insurance prices by 25% or more.
Making insurance more expensive is not a way to make it more affordable. Then
there are all of the unintended problems that have come up because of the ACA.
Keep fighting! Repeal Obamacare!
Impeach Senator Lee!
RedShirt:"My favorite is the "It's the law, and the Supreme
Court agrees, so we can't change it now". If that was true, we should
never have ended the Jim Crow laws, slavery, women shouldn't vote, and so
forth. Just because the SCOUTS doesn't strike down a law does nto mean it
can be removed some other way."Then why don't Republicans
use a constitutional means to remove it. The answer: they lost the election.
Also, many of those other laws you cite were struck down by the Supreme Court as
unconstitutional. If you'll remember, this one was not.--------"Some say that the ACA will be good. The problem is that it is bad because
it has already trippled in cost, and has raised insurance prices by 25% or
more."While I don't agree with your numbers, I will point out
that having an up-front cost in no way proves that something will not be
profitable in the long run. Basic economics. The very fact that Republicans
are trying to label it a "legacy bill" shows they believe it will work.
Otherwise, wouldn't it ruin his legacy?
RedShirt is absolutely correct. It amazes me that so may people do not know what
is in Obamacare. Their lack of information is shocking. If they know all that is
in it, which is highly unlikely, and still support it....that would be
unbelievable. Yes, the republicans have offered several plans but the democrats
will not even discuss them. Another fallacy is the republicans caused the
shutdown...the dems refuse to discuss or negotiate. The President has more than
once said he will not discuss or negotiate...and yet the media convinces people
the republicans are at fault. The Senate is required to annually submit a
budget. Harry Reid has not allowed one to be done in 4-5 years! That is why
there is a need for continuing resolutions to raise the debt ceiling and to
authorize spending. But of course, the democrat supporters don't accept
that part of the Constitution. And, btw, if Bennett had not been replaced, he
would have been as weak in the knees as is Hatch and the rest of the GOP
While trying to prevent a train wreck, which he can't stop, he allows a
train wreck which he could stop.
I am also another former republican, and this kind of demagoguery is what has
driven me from the party. Lee really thinks he is right and he is going to
"save" democracy. The fact is, as truthseeker said, " Most Americans
know the Tea Party Republicans are expecting too much and don't like their
bully tactics". I couldn't agree with this more!Congress is
not addressing the real problems (financial deregulation, banking and mortgage
bailouts that never benefited those that they were intended to benefit, etc.)
and neither party is going to address it because they are afraid they will lose
funding for their campaigns.
One thing that is certain is that about 50 liberal posters will be on these
boards anytime there is a conservative that they can hammer like Mike Lee. This
is a practice I have seen in various places that I have lived and it shows that
liberals have way too much time on their hands. Why aren't they helping at
soup kitchens, reading to students in school or some other worthwhile activity?
Liberals are so caught up in their own political persuasion that it trumps
everything else. We have a government shutdown and we need legislators with some
persuasion and leadership to solve it, where is the President? Where is Harry
To "OHBU" not funding it is a "constitutional" way of delaying
it or getting rid of it.Again, if the ACA was meant to make health
insurance or health care cheaper, why do you support it knowing that it has
increased the cost of insurance and has made the cost of getting care more
expensive because of increased costs at Dr. offices and taxes on medical
Keep up the good fight Mike Lee. Just remember that all the reasons to stop
Obamacare can be applied to stopping Medicare...or to avoid paying for state
programs for autism support or contributions to religious organizations.
It's all socialism.
Mike Lee is a huge embarrassment to our state, our nation and the Republican
Party. I am continually amazed that people were dumb enough to select this clown
over Bob Bennett. Of course, Lee is still collecting his own paycheck during
this ridiculous shut-down. What else would we expect from somebody who
couldn't afford his over-sized home in Utah County (on a senator's
salary, no less!) and had to do a short sale. C'mon, Mike, put on your big
boy pants and grow up! Obamacare is the law. Quit whining and get over it.
Senator Mike Lee - those of us who understand how damaging and permanently
destructive ObamaCare is thank you for your stance. This is evil....it is a
government takeover of an entire industry as mapped out by Communist plans.
Hitler did it in Germany. Russia has it. China has it. And my Russian doctor
friends laugh because the arguments supporting it are exactly the same as the
ones that brought Russia its awful system. It buys votes by taking from the
MIddle Class and giving to the non-working and illegal workers -- as
specifically spelled out in the plan. What about the creation of the 6000 man
army? What about mandated implants as a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy? What
about the movement from full time employment to part time right before our
eyes...and the damage it will do to families already stressed? Mike,
keep it up. This is our last chance to save our country. chemimagineer
If the republican party continues to give sway to the tea party extremists, they
will continue to drive away the moderates
Senator Lee, There are men who curse the darkness and men who light
a candle. Obviously healthcare in the United States can be improved. Obviously
the Affordable Care Act is far from a perfect improvement. But to take a law
passed by a democratically elected congress, signed into law by our elected
executive, and upheld by the highest court in the land, and then attempt to
repeatedly strip the American people of that law--which has survived an
extremely high rigor of scrutiny--strikes me as profoundly more undemocratic
than anything within the contents of the law you so apparently despise. If you and like minded citizens think the Affordable Care Act is bad law
and you can make a compelling case, then you should be able to win enough
representation within congress to repeal it or pass superior legislation. But to
try and circumvent the adoption of the law by procedural shenanigans or through
inflicting enough damage on the American people in the hopes that your opponents
will relent is uncalled for. I hope in the future you will do more
to show respect for the democratic process--even if you happen to disagree with
Train wreck? It looks to me like Senator Lee is the engineer driving the train
toward a brick wall.
Sen. Lee is disingenuous in his comments. He speaks highhandedly of not
ignoring a train wreck when the truth is he's been one of the chief
engineers driving the train into the wreck. He's correct that our nation
and government have problems, sadly his efforts have made solving those problems
only less likely and more difficult.
To Mr. Lee: you and your father and your brother love the government paycheck,
having spent many years in the nation's capitol, and I mean many many years
there. It is time that 300 million people get what we would have got had we
not invaded Iraq. Isaiah 10 woe unto them who take away the right of the
poor of my people (2 Nephi 20:1-2) It is a conservative idea to have people pay
their own way on health care. Romney was pioneer on health care reform;
years ago the president said any state can opt out, as long as they cover
everyone, and states have had years to prepare for this. Wars are winding
down, Bin Laden is dead, the economy is growing, and taxes were raised on the
rich January 1st, things are good.
RE: RedShirtSorry, Congress has a basic, CONSTITUTIONAL obligation
to pay its bills. 14th Amendment "The validity of the public debt of the
United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of
pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion,
shall not be questioned." This law was legally passed through both houses,
signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. Not paying for it is
absolutely unconstitutional. In fact, legally it's treason.As
to the ACA's cost, I never conceded that it will make healthcare more
expensive. Quite to the contrary. I merely pointed out that up-front costs do
not qualify as evidence that something will not work. Most things worth doing
(e.g. starting a business) involve up-front costs. Getting everyone insured is
an up-front costs. Bringing down the cost of healthcare services, exorbitant
insurance profits, and no longer having all of us covering the hospital bills of
the uninsured will reap long-term gain. Again, basic economics.
Senator Lee is a hero who is protecting our jobs!"Did you know
that ObamaCare was the most partisan piece of legislation passed in the last 100
years?Did you know that up to 14 million people face ObamaCare
penalties?Did you know that even President Obama's allies have
said that ObamaCare could mean the "end of the 40-hour work week?"Did you know that the vast majority of new jobs are now part-time
because of ObamaCare?Did you know that President Obama has shut down
the government to keep funding his abortion-pill mandate?Did you
know that President Obama has shut down the government rather than delay the
individual mandate?We stand against ObamaCare. Stand with us.Sign our Petition to Delay, Defund, and Defeat Obamacare.Jay
SekulowACLJ Chief Counsel
Based on the comments to this story, it sounds like Utah is full of communists.
Best solution to this mess is for the masses to learn how to take care of their
own health. The doctors didn't want free market health care, so we ended
up with tax deductible employer funded health insurance. So both doctors and
patients then demanded too much health services, tests, etc. That system
didn't work well for those without insurance. So now we have socialized,
read communistic inspired, health insurance with the government controlling all
aspects, including all health data on everyone (totally worse than NSA
collecting phone records). Thank you very much, but for me and my family we
will opt out and support all politicians like Lee and Cruz who understand what
is really going on. Matheson seems to want to correlate "growing up"
with accepting the inevitability of communism. No thanks!!
After reading the comments, I am struck by one fact. That most of the people on
this site does not know the difference between socialism and social programs.
By patting this senator and any other of the ideologues that are in our Congress
right now, on the back, you are applauding people who do not believe in our
democratic legislative process. They do not believe in our constitution. This
is not to say there have not been problems with our government and the way it
has been run, but it isn't because of our Constitution. It is because of
the money that has the power. The Koch brothers and Romney's. You yell
and scream about socialism and forget the institutionalized corporate welfare -
the money going to the Farm Bill, the Oil Subsidies. It is senseless. And now
you are showing you care more about opening the federal parks and gratuitous
nods to veteran memorials, instead of babies and older people being fed. Watch
it folks, your priorities are going to stick to your foreheads.
@New to UtahJust because people don't agree with you that
doesn't mean they are "liberal" - I believe that the republican
party has been hijacked by radicals - and yes I mean radicals like MIKE LEE -
that want to do away with all things that are administered by the government.
Blaming all problems in healthcare on governmental regulation and failing to
recognize that "the free market" is not working in health care are just
some of the delusions that the tea partiers are struggling with. Insurance
companies, not government has done away with the "free market"
I, for one, appreciate Lee's efforts to control the out of control white
house. This is the biggest tax increase in history, and must be stopped.
QUOTE "But Rep. Jim Matheson, Utah's only Democrat in Congress, said
it's time to stop the day-old shutdown by passing a budget bill that
contains money for the health care law that also took effect Tuesday.Money? What money? That's the whole point. The concept of a "well
funded national debt" was a great idea propounded by Alexander Hamilton, if
I recall, to act as an economic flywheel, so that taxes don't have to be
adjusted continuously to meet variable needs. I fear that the "flywheel"
has come off the axle is is about to crush us. I find it amusing that we think
it's great news that the rate of increase in the deficit is dropping.
I'm overspending my income every month but the amount I'm overspending
is going down a few percent. What discipline!
To "OHBU" I hate to break it to you, but congress is under no obligation
to ensure that the US pays for its debts. The constitution is quite clear that
Congress is to decide how much is spent, and on what.If you think
otherwise, please give me the reference in the Constitution that says that
Congress must pay for all debts the US has.It isn't just the
upfront costs. It is the long term costs. For example, the original estimate
for the ACA was around $800 billion over 10 years. That estimate was revised 3
years later and it jumped up to $2.7 Trillion over 10 years. The CBO's
estimate for the long term put the ACA as being defict inducing.You
are also ignoring the fact that the ACA was sold as a way of reducing the cost
of healthcare. Explain how raising the cost of insurance or healthcare is a
good thing, even in the long run. Health insurance prices will always keep up
with inflation, so the price won't go down, unless something drastic is
done. If drastic actions are taken, what damage will those cause?
To JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt:You speak the truth Sir. I
appreciate your accurate perspective on the failure of the GOP. For the life of
me I do not understand why people think Obamacare is a bad thing? Don't
you realize that the existing Healthcare emplire in the USA is fraught with
greed and distain for the poor and needy? Before the Affordable Care Act if you
had a pre-existing condition like drarfism for example - you could not even
purchase health insurance! What kind of a system denies innocent people who were
born with a health deficit at no fault of their and denies them from even having
coverage by the greedy insurance companies? Even worse is what the Hospitals
and Providers charge for their services making huge profits so their CEOS and
such can live like kings. Don't get sick without insurance or they'll
own your soul my fellow citizens. I'd rather have the Government than the
Healthcare Dictators controlling my life for the love of money! Senator Lee,
you do not represent my interests at all. You represent the interests of the big
insurance companies and healthcare corporations.
Senator Lee is correct and he should be trying to stop the train
wreck....instead of digging up the track to help it wreck.
TO TRUTH: Thank you for echoing my sentiments exactly!. Jim Matheson
(pseudo-democrat) is trying to play both sides of the game. We need people who
act with principle to represent us, not career politicians who dance around to
the latest polls so they can get re-elected and have their great healthcare plan
paid for while millions of Americans suffer and die with no hope for relief.
Yes, Jim it is truly time for you to move on. Utahns are not dumb people. Let us
urge sensible citizens like Jon Huntsman to run for the Senate, Congress or the
Presidency. Men like Jon will do what is right for America. When a Democratic
President asked him (a Republican) to serve as Ambassodor to China - he accepted
the call to serve his country. That is the kind of man that should be
representing the citizens of Utah. We can do much better than Mike Lee or Jim
This shutdown is the fault of Obama and Reid and their followers. Mike Lee and
the other Republicans are right in doing what they are doing. There is nothing
"affordable" about the Affordable Care Act. It has already caused my
premiums to double and another increase is due in January. I can still afford my
insurance for now, but with more tax increases on the way, I doubt that I will
be able to for much longer. I also believe that the longer the Democrats get
away with refusing to pass a real budget, which they are required by the
Constitution to do, the more costly it will be. Their refusal stems from a
desire to have no restrictions on their ability to keep spending without
restraint. Any financial counselor or LDS bishop will tell you that is a recipe
for disaster. Now that the Republicans are belatedly trying to rein them in,
they are fighting the bit with every ounce of lies and falsehoods that they can
muster. Keep on fighting, TEA Party.
RedShirt,I did quote the Constitution, did you not even read my
comment? Yes, Congress gets to dictate spending, but Congress already
authorized the law and therefore are under an obligation to pay it. Sure, it
wasn't the same Congressmen, but it was Congress. Thus, according to the
14th Amendment, they are obligated to pay for it or change the law. They
can't change the law--they ran on that platform and the American people
voted for Obama and to retain Democratic control of the Senate. Sorry, you lost
the election.Again, I have accounted for up-front costs. You are
ASSUMING there will be longterm costs, I'm using economics to project (as
have many other economists) that in the long run, healthcare costs are projected
to go DOWN relative to inflation. In other words, people will be paying a
smaller portion of their income toward healthcare. Right now, we have the worst
return on investment, this is designed to correct that. You're already
paying for everybody's healthcare. Everyone knows preventative is way
cheaper than waiting until they show up at the emergency room without means to
It seems that Lee is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He wants to stop
the train wreck known as Obamacare but he's more than willing to stand by
and watch the train wreck of a government shutdown that his intransigence has
caused. To say he's "concerned" about the impact of the shutdown
sounds pretty hollow. Too bad that the word "compromise", which has
helped preserve our nation since its founding, has lost all meaning and
relevance with today's ideologically-bound politicians.
The problem with Obama is that he is absolutely clueless when it comes to
leading. All I ever see him do is get on TV and blame, blame, blame in an
effort to rescue his legacy. And his absolute refusal to negotiate is pathetic.
Obama's lack of ability to bring people together has resulted in where we
are now Republicans are tired of Obama's "my way or the highway"
approach and are simply starting to push back.Unfortunately
Obama's presidency is a mess and he will go down as one of the worst
Here is a simple solution. Fund the government it has nothing to do with
Obamacare. The law passed, it was judged constitutional by the courts. It's
the law. If it does not work, change it later. There is no connection between
USAlover - you do know we can verify your national debts amounts don't you?
When GW Bush left office the debt was just over $10.5T and it increased $5.1T
while he was in office. You really cannot compare Bush to Obama
regarding economics as all things are not equal - we were not in the "Great
Recession" during the entire Bush presidency.
Why won't Obama talk? Is there a logical reason on this earth for him to be
so stubborn? These congressmen have evidence- hundreds of thousands of
signatures of Americans- real live, on the ground human beings in this country
that are being negatively affected by this law. Why can he not see that and
negotiate a little? Put it off for a year to fine tune it. Pull out the taxes on
medical devices and see how things go. Let anyone who wants to sign up and see
in real time what the issues are but don't compel and tax folks up the
river if they have no desire for health insurance. This president
and his buddies are making no sense. Shutting down the government makes no sense
either. This is the most ridiculous thing I have seen coming out of Washington.
It's simply maddening!
I would gladly support the Junior Senators stance if he provided an alternative
law that reformed the health care system. I personally like the fact that my
kids can stay on my policy until they turn 26. I sleep better at night knowing
that they are covered. But there are millions of people who don't have that
option.Junior Senator, your a blank slate. you not presented
anything other than opposition. You a patsy to the big interests that oppose
Harry Reid, Schumer or any of the other Senate Dems sign up for this? Did their
staff? Did Kathleen Sebelius sign up for Obamacare. Until they do, why should
To "OHBU" I don't think you read all of the 14th ammendment. It
says that the US will pay all debts due to suppressing an insurrection or in aid
of an insurrection. How does that apply to self imposed welfare programs?
Right now there is no debt due to Obamacare. There is only proposed spending,
which is not debt.It is like saying that you are thinking of buying
a new couch using a credit card. Before you actually buy the couch do you have
debt for the couch?Or is Obamacare somehow tied to the Civil War? I
am not sure because your argument makes no sense when reading the
constitution.Or are you saying that Obamacare is part of suppressing
Funny how few of you realize that congress has always used the power of the
purse to gut laws it feels are inappropriate. That's how it's supposed
to work...there are checks and balances between all branches of government. As
an example, congress has, since 1992, specifically prohibited ATF from using any
of its funds to enact 18 USC 925c, just to name one example. The relevant court
case is US v Bean, 537 US 71 (2002), if you're inclined to that sort of
@Judge, that's all well and good, but Congress as a whole does not want to
gut the ACA.
@New to Utah, you are funny. You complain that participating in a discussion
is evidence that liberals have way too much time on their hands, and yet here
you are participating in a discussion. Furthermore, you assume that liberals
don't work in soup kitchens and generally never help the poor in a personal
way. Really? Where you getting this stuff? Is it just your imagination?
Furthermore, it makes no sense to blame Obama and Reid for the shutdown after
Republicans caused it to happen? This kind of blame shifting is deeply
Obamacare has to go, but it won't be repealed until the GOP wins the White
House and the Senate. Shutting down the government won't do it. It will
just hurt a lot of people and make the Republicans look bad. It's like
thoe old line "If you won't play my way I'll take my ball and go
home," but even worse - adding the extreme step of locking the gym so no one
else can play, either.
When the government can shut down privet business's, it's too big.
What does the ACA have to do with passing a budget and raising the debt ceiling?
People can lambast Senator Lee all they want for being an idealogue. But he is
acting on his deeply held principles. He really believes it. We must respect
that. What I don't respect is people like Harry Reid and Obama
who are engaging in cynical power politics where truth is secondary to the real
goal which is power and destroying political opposition and demonizing
Republicans in concert with a biased media.
OK, let's see---meeting in secret, obstructing the government elected by
the people, seeking to overthrow laws--all of these are tea party mainstays.
Where have I heard of that before? Oh, right--the book of Helaman talks about a
group with similar tactics. I suggest Sen. Lee read his scriptures.
Voters need to think about what Sen. Lee has done: 800,000 Americans without a
job. Businesses all over the country are losing money. Workers, counties are
losing money. Headstart are not available for children. Sen Lee should be
ashamed of what he is doing. Americans deserve a Government that works for them,
not children having temper tantrums. There is a Democratic process that needs to
be followed, or we will be a banana republic.Fighting for the sake of
fighting, knowing nothing will be accomplished is plain stupid.
Even though Senator Lee has a short haircut and wears a suit, he appears to be
nothing more than a "rebel without a cause." His constituents expect
him to use good judgment and to be a statesman in representing the people of
Utah, but in my opinion, as a Senator, he is acting more like a rebellious
teenager who does not yet fully have a command of adult judgment.My
understanding of his background is that of an attorney who has been a
legislative staff researcher. He seems to be very good at researching minutia
in order to find support for an extreme political position, but does not appear
to be a "big picture" type of guy, who has the experience or judgment to
do the right thing for his constituents or the nation.I don't
mind that Senator Lee is principled--but wish he could do so without being
stupid. Has he never heard of macroeconomics?