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Dick Harmon: BYU QB Taysom Hill improves his passing but again wins with his legs

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  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:30 a.m.

    Hope this was a confidence booster.

    Glad to see the cougars win one convincingly. Turnovers a huge concern. Should move Hill out of the bottom 2 QBs in almost every category. After next weeks loss, hope to see the wins start adding up.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 4:19 a.m.

    This game really gives us nothing. BYU was favored by three and a half touchdowns for cring out loud. The blueprint was laid last week, USU needs to stop the run game of Hill and force him to use his arm. Stack the box and play containment football. The cougars will not be facing an East high-esk team next week. The question is are you ready for talent like Chuckie? Can you play on the road? Can BYU win against a decent team?

  • Strobel PARKER, CO
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    Dick, you seem to be way down on Hill. You forget Hill is inexperienced and has more upside than any QB BYU has had in years in my opinion. People just have to be patient. You can definitely see his strong arm and legs. He will get better.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Please, no more suspensions! We need Cody Hoffman in next week's game against Utah State. Whenever I get frustrated with Taysom Hill, I am reminded of Steve Young and his slow start as a sophomore at the Y. He also ran with the ball and was slow to connect with the pass. It worked out well with him; I have high hopes for Taysom. He's a great young man and will prove to be a great QB with more experience and confidence.

    Ball security is an issue, for sure. I think some valuable lessons were learned last night with dropped balls! Adding Jamaal Williams back in the mix next week will give this team a lot of confidence with his dynamic presence and plays. Seeing other players come forth with great plays (Matthews #10, Brown #24, etc.) was encouraging.

    Go Cougars!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    I am not sold on our offensive scheme. Way too predictable and simple. USU will beat us if Anae continues to be so predictable. Utah shut down our run game because they knew what play was coming, and I think Taysom is still struggling with making the right read. He could have run the ball a lot more for big yards because MTSU was crashing their DE all the time.

    Also on passing plays it was not uncommon to see only one receiver out on a pattern. What is up with that? Also when Taysom has to scramble the receivers are loafing or standing around instead of sprinting to the open spot, especially Apo. The blocking from the receivers was excellent, however.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    As usual, BYU fans overwhelmingly celebrate a win over a directional community college is going to be a "confidence booster" and "Taysom shows improvement". At this rate of overinflated self confidence building USU, BSU, ND, and Wisconsin are going to steam roll BYU.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Taysom Hill, the greatest running back the school's ever seen! I've seen enough of this non-imaginative "up tempo" stuff.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Nice to get Bert and Ernie's comments from the cheap seats. Glad to see putting words in BYU fans's mouths, then berating them for what you imagined they said, has not gone out of style.

    I think the team, and most of the fans, are aware that "state" and "university" are the only things this week's and next week's opponents have in common. Chuckie is the real deal, and while I have confidence in our ability to manage the run game, his passing will challenge our secondary.

    But is it really so difficult to acknowledge that Taysom has NOT been as accurate a passer this season as he has been in the past, and therefore there is at least an even chance that his passing will improve?

    I am looking forward to, hopefully, a good game against a more than worthy foe. Next week would be an excellent time to cut way down on the mental mistakes!

  • sg newhall, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    The Aggies will defeat the Cougars next week. They are a better offensive team with a stronger, passing QB.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Hill did improve his passing game, but it was against a team that has one of the worst passing defenses in the country (according to Rivals).

    I guess baby steps is all BYU fans can hope for.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    Its just like a shooter in basketball making a layup, slam dunk or free throws. Sure its not that hard to do those things but it build the confidence and helps later on. BYU will be fine, they will beat bsu, lose to wisconsin and the notre dame game is a toss up. USU right now scares me. Hopefully the receivers can get open and hill can get them the ball. If he throws for 50 percent or better byu wins.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    A "predictable" offense can still be successful if it is executed precisely.

    See: Air Force

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    NevadaCoug
    Overton, NV

    A "predictable" offense can still be successful if it is executed precisely.

    See: Air Force

    ------------

    The goal was to become Notre Dame of the West, not Air Force.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    Cougars did what they needed to do in order to get the sloppy win against a very good team with a lot of athleticism. In order to beat the Aggies, BYU is going to have to play much better than they did last night. I do think the Cougars D will be much better than the Utes at getting to Keaton and disrupting his timing. The Utes gave Keaton all the time in the world to find the open man. BYU will not.

    I do think USU is the better team in this one, and should be favored. If BYU pulls out the win it will help Hill gain more confidence in his receivers.

    Go Cougars!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Sept. 28, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Uteology
    East Salt Lake City, Utah

    Tell me something about ucla. Or better yet, tell me something about OSU.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 28, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    I love Utah fans who think BYU is going to be 'steamrolled' by a number of teams. Talk about pot calling kettle black. I have news for U. You beat BYU by 7. Not exactly a steamroll. Again it's your highlight of the year. I feel sorry for Kyle because it's his BYU games that help him keep his job. For the next two years no more BYU and a lot more job insecurity. Let's see how things go these next few weeks before you use the term 'steamrolled'. I do think you will see it at least once in Eugene, Oregon. You will play the roll of the pavement.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    I don't care if Hill wins with his legs. If he gets the pass game going, it will make him even more dangerous with his legs.

  • Stop The Nonsense El Paso, TX
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    I think we can all agree that Hill was better last night than previously, but that it was against an easier opponent and so it doesn't tell us much. The real test will be next week against a good USU team. No doubt Hill has plenty of potential, but that needs to translate into him making accurate throws and beating a team with his arm, not just his legs. If USU follow's Utah's game plan, I don't think we beat them. (Sorry, BYU, but after breaking my heart so many times I have started to expect heartbreak.)

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 29, 2013 12:30 a.m.

    @NevadaCoug

    "A "predictable" offense can still be successful if it is executed precisely."

    Here's my problem with that statement. BYU is not an elite team. Teams like Oregon and Alabama and LSU can get away with predictability because they have the "horses" to make it work. During the Lavell Edward years BYU was able to compete (at least offensively) with anyone because of their unique and unpredictable passing style. It leveled the playing field against teams with the premier athletes. For the most part, no amount of proper execution will compensate for the fact that the guy on the other side of the line of scrimmage is just plain stronger and faster than you. However, great coaching, unpredictability in play calling, and using a wide array of weapons can balance the game in your favor, despite an uneven talent level.

    @YGradYDad
    "Glad to see putting words in BYU fans's mouths, then berating them for what you imagined they said, has not gone out of style."

    Amen, brother. I, too, get weary of the inane "straw man" arguments from JJJHS, et al.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Sept. 29, 2013 2:09 a.m.

    Why can't a Socrates coached team play a complete game? Good grief, please tell Nike to stop putting goose grease on the ball, and JD as a returner, no way keep him at WR. Two gifts to the opponent is enough. No Virginia, a nice return does not cause any football people to have confidence in the guy. And don't think JD will not think of his miscues next time that ball comes sailing' his way. All you can say is: "It's a win". The ticky tack, honor code violations are a joke, and no I'm not taking The Whittingham Whitewash Company type non- response, but talking the issue through sans a game suspension unless someone decides to do something discusting like offend an entire religion.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Sept. 29, 2013 2:19 a.m.

    Those predicting a "Heisman Worthy" performance by Chicky, might want to check out his output the last time out against a BYU defense. It's hard the thrown when your back is on the ground. I do think BYU will need to score more than the Brandon Doman typically 6 points, but give up 500 yards passing 27 touchdowns and 300 yards and 5 touchdowns to Chicky, as predicted by the few Aggie fans and the SLC media, don't think so.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Sept. 29, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    add easy completions to every game plan.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Ummm....getting castigated for playing a weaker team from Utah fans? What? How short an your memory be? Weber State? Pot. Meet Kettle.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Uteology

    Then (September 7th),

    "This [Utah's win versus Weber St] was REALLY IMPRESSIVE when compared to last years win over North Colorado.

    The offense seems to have improved. So far in two games I am impressed with Wilson and his ability to make big plays."

    and now (September 28th),

    "Hill did improve his passing game, but it was against a team that has one of the worst passing defenses in the country (according to Rivals).

    I guess baby steps is all BYU fans can hope for."

    btw, in their last four game, Weber St had been outscored 214-23; even McNeese St (43-6) and Sacrament St (31-3) stomped the Wildcats, yet Utah fans were singing the praises of Utah's "impressive" win over Weber St, while BYU's "improvement" versus MTSU has to be qualified as nothing but "baby steps" against weak competition.

    The inconsistency of the BYU haters is hilarious.

  • Turtles Run Missouri City, TX
    Sept. 29, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    "At this rate of overinflated self confidence building USU, BSU, ND, and Wisconsin are going to steam roll BYU."

    You forgot Houston.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 29, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    Turtles Run

    At this rate of over inflated self-confidence building, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, USC, ASU, Oregon, WSU, and Colorado are going to steam roll Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA

    Uteology
    East Salt Lake City, Utah

    Tell me something about ucla. Or better yet, tell me something about OSU.

    -------------

    Why, does Air Force Lite play them next?

    Instead I will tell you something about the team we beat, the team you play next Utah State.

    You better hope that the baby steps Hill took are for real. Because you'll need the passing game to beat a legit Utah State team. Which beat the real Air Force rushing attack by 32 points on the road. USU defense is ranked #24 in the country, they held AFA to 270 total yards (162 rushing and 108 passing).

    As far as Utah, we'll be just fine if our offense plays like we did against OSU and our defense plays like when we played BYU. We've proven we have a offense and defense that can beat a decent team, see Utah State.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    @Just the FAX

    My opinion of Wilson wasn't only based from the Weber State game. How did Wilson do in the Utah State game, against a good defense?

    Going into the season I thought Hill looked like a better QB while Wilson struggled in his freshman year. My opinion of Wilson's ability from last years struggles changed in the Utah State game. Wilson beat Utah State with his arm, with big plays. He lead his team back after being down 21-14 with 300+ yards passing and QB rating of 175.

    Since then the above statements about Wilson and our offense have been proven to be correct. Wilson's been rated a top 25 QB since game one.

    I compared Weber State game with a Wilson/Erickson lead offense to Northern Colorado game with Wynn/Jonson lead offense. IMO the Wilson/Erickson offense was really impressive.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 7:59 p.m.

    "Ummm....getting castigated for playing a weaker team from Utah fans? What? How short an your memory be? Weber State?"

    Biff:

    You'll recall the Ute staters were pulled at halftime against Weber, but Hill played late in the game against Directional State. And have you forgotten the other weak team remaining on the y's schedule? Idaho State? You're still the Kettle.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 29, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Since then the above statements about Wilson and our offense have been proven to be correct."

    And how do you know that BYU fan statements about Hill and BYU's improved offense won't be proven correct?

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    "Granted, BYU’s foe was not Utah, nor did the Blue Raider defense look anything like what the Cougars will face next week in Logan against Utah State." -- Dick Harmon

    "You'll recall the Ute starters were pulled at halftime against Weber, but Hill played late in the game against Directional State." -- JohnInSLC

    Excellent statements by both.

    And YbU poster trolls, know this: there was no bragging or beating of chests after the Weber State tune up game, as you proclaim from the 0-4 cheap seats in Happy Valley. In reality, there were thousands of empty seats in RES, because fans from both teams knew in advance there wasn't a real game taking place that day. We were expected to annihilate Weber State High by a huge margin, which we did (with our starters actually out of the game at halftime). Same as the Aggies crushing of Weber State High. YbU, on the other hand, didn't even beat Directional State by 40 points, and were in fact down after the first quarter, with starters playing late in the game. Lucky for LES season ticket holders, caffeine-free Diet Coke was still on tap! Lol