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  • Sweater In Rafters Franklin, IN
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    I'm ready for this season...

    Semi Finals of P12 tourney last year!! Young and big this year, but by this years tourney the younger guys will have a lot more experience...

    Glad Larry is at the helm

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    Guess who had the top 5 rpi wins among all Utah schools last year?

    Utah
    Utah
    Utah
    Utah
    Utah

    That right, Utah had five wins better than any win byu had all year

    Yes there were bad losses, mostly at beginning of year

    But I will take a team that has proven it can win big games over a team that doesn't have a single top 100 rpi win all season, any day.

    Coach k will have us in the tournament within two years.

    Go utes!

    Onward and upward.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    Met Jordan briefly at the fan fest. Really humble and approachable kid. Noticed the weight loss as well. That fist step will be even faster this year!

    Nice work coach. Keep it up.

    Go Utes!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    Stick to football, Chris B. Your predictions (Utah being 4 - 0 and nationally ranked this week) are more accurate (and hilarious).

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    I bought my first Utah season tickets this year! Cannot wait for this season to start, with the schedule we have i expect to have at least 20 wins and perhaps more, i expect 7-8 regular season pac-12 wins.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 26, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    christy

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 12 of 15 during the Dave Rose era, 149-145 overall

    BYU owns U in basketball.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Go Utes!

    "with the schedule we have i expect to have at least 20 wins"

    With the schedule you have, it would be an embarrassment if the Utes didn't win at least 10 OOC games.

    Any half decent team that plays nothing but patsies at home for the first two months of the season should have a decent chance of winning 20 games.

    Except for BYU and Boise St, did any of Utah's OOC opponents even have a winning record or finish in the Top 200 RPI last year?

    vs. Saint Martin's (exhibition)
    vs. Evergreen State
    vs. UC Davis
    vs. Grand Canyon
    vs. Lamar
    vs. Savannah State
    vs. Ball State
    at Boise State
    vs. Fresno State
    vs. Idaho State
    vs. BYU
    vs. Texas State
    vs. St. Katherine

    Unfortunately, that pathetically weak pre-conference schedule won't do much to prepare U to face the rigors of playing a PAC 12 schedule, especially on the road.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    So excited for basketball since the Majeras era. Team has stacked so much talent now just have to put it together. Should be the best team in the state this year.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    LOL @ "Mussing wtih U"

    obsessed much?

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    Soooo, you agree with me? thank you for your confirmation of what i just stated.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    @MUSSing with U

    An advantage of 149-145 is hardly grounds to declare ownership of your rivals. True, you have done better recently, but according to your fellow BYU fans, what the team has done recently has no relevance. I mean, in football we are 4 in a row, 5 of 6, and 9 of 12, yet we still have BYU fans come onto our articles and trash our team and program.

    As far as your BYU basketball team's recent success, I guess we should be constantly reminding you of the 1990's and our glory years with all of the awards, high draft picks, etc. that we had and when we owned you (you know, kind of like BYU's 1980's in football that we get reminded of on a daily basis by your fan base).

    It goes both ways. (By the way, it's interesting you would honor us with your choice of your monicker.)

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Sept. 26, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    I'm so excited for this years team. I am especially hopeful for the next few years under Coach K3. We are heading in the right direction and I think that the PAC12 affiliation is helping to build depth that wasn't available to us under the MWC per se. Will we ever be so spoiled to see the Majerus seasons? I hope so.

    Go UTES!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 26, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    LonestarRunner?

    A byU fan perhaps?

    By the end of the year, Utah's SOS will be far greater than byU's, just like last year and just like football. So, you go ahead and cheer on byU in the junior high school gymnasiums against those patsy in conference foes, we'll cheer on our school against real conference foes at the end of the season. Of course, that is exactly what byU is used to in football too, right? Patsies at the end of the year!

    In summation - SOS for entire year U>Y. Twenty wins by a rebuilding program in a power conference will certainly be seen as a greater accomplishment than a third place finish in a second or third tier conference. Face it, that is where byU is headed again!

    Go Utes!!

    Onward and Upward!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 26, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Can't wait to see the new Utes this year under Coach K! The future looks bright!

    Love the byU trollers on yet another Ute story. Glad to see that they are as obsessed about Ute basketball as they are about Ute football. They really are "die hard Utah Ute fan(s)" We really do appreciate your continued and ever-present support.

    Can you imagine the melt down this year when Utah beats byU? Epic!!

    Go Utes!!

    Onward and Upward!!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 26, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    GoRed

    It's funny how the "recent accomplishments" argument is completely dismissed by Utah fans as soon as we switch to basketball.

    In order to feel good about themselves, the Utes have established this strange timeline where nothing before 2004 counts in football and nothing since 2005 counts in basketball.

    Fortunately for BYU, the Cougars have a rich tradition in both:

    - a perennial Top 25 football program for the last four decades (18 Top 25 finishes since 1977), with a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy winner, 15 national individual awards, 6 national hall of fame players, and 29 bowl appearances

    - a strong basketball program with two NIT championships, two John Wooden Award winners, and 27 NCAA tournament appearances (same number as the Utes)

    by comparison,

    - the Utes didn't even crack the AP Top 25 in football until 1994, have only five AP Top 25 finishes, no national individual or team awards, and only 17 bowl appearance

    - the Utes have had better overall basketball success, but their program has been a train wreck for almost a decade

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "By the end of the year, Utah's SOS will be far greater than BYU's, just like last year"

    Better dust off another shelf for your SOS trophies.

    Unfortunately for U, you're ignoring the other half of the equation:

    SOS is meaningless unless you WIN.

    You need to recalibrate from BCS mode to NCAA tournament mode:

    Getting an at-large NCAA tournament bid from the WCC is considered just as much of an accomplishment as getting one from the PAC 12.

    A conference championship from the PAC 12 might mean more, usually, but that comparison is irrelevant since the Utes are years away from being a PAC 12 championship contender.

    *BYU(23-12) #69 RPI, #58 SOS > Utah(13-18) #212 RPI, #159 SOS
    *only wins versus D1 opponents counted

    btw, current basketball SOS projections for 2013-14 (see ESPN):

    #118 BYU
    #120 Utah

    ooops, no SOS trophy for U; now what?

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    If the Utes breeze through their pre-conference schedule and then face plant when the conference season begins, Larry has only himself to blame for not properly preparing his team.

    Luckily, the Utes open conference play at home versus Oregon, one of the few conference opponents the Utes beat at home last year.

  • kiddoc Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    Mussin with u....
    Whatever you need.....it's been a tough week

  • CG Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    kiddoc

    It's been an even rougher 8 years and counting for Utah basketball:

    116-137 (46%), 6 losing seasons, 1 embarrassing loss in the NCAA

    3 of 15 versus BYU

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    CG

    And yet the University of Utah is still ranked the 20th best basketball program in the country over the last 50 years per ESPN. The past few years have been rough but we have bright days immediately ahead of us. The last two recruiting classes, especially the current class, have been very strong.

    We have a great coach in place and some terrific recruits. Our worst days are behind us.

    Enjoy kicking the premier program of the state of Utah while it's down.

    To all the Ute haters posting comments, shouldn't you be posting on Gonzaga boards? St. Mary's boards? FYI, Utah is in the PAC-12, BYU is in the WCC.

    Good luck to the Utes and all the instate programs.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    UtesLoseBy5

    "And yet the University of Utah is still ranked the 20th best basketball program in the country over the last 50 years per ESPN."

    Fast fading ancient history.

    BYU has clearly overtaken Utah as the premier basketball program in the state; the Utes are, at best, the 4th best program in the state behind BYU, USU, and Weber St.

    As far as recruiting goes:

    2013 Class
    BYU signed two 4-star and three 3-star recruits.
    Utah signed two 3-star and one 2-star.

    2014 Class
    BYU has one 4-star, one 3-star, and one 2-star already committed.
    Utah has two 4-star and one 2-star committed.

    Advantage, still BYU.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    UtesB4

    The Utes haven't been anywhere close to a Top 20 basketball program for almost a decade. At some point U have to let go of the past and just accept reality. Utah's basketball program hasn't even been mediocre since Bogut and the last vestiges of the Majerus era moved on. Better recruits give hope, but it remains to be seen whether they'll be able to help the Utes climb out of the conference basement.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    @MUSSing with U

    christy

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 12 of 15 during the Dave Rose era, 149-145 overall

    BYU owns U in basketball.

    -----------

    True. Utah baseketball WAS where Utah football was in the 80s. With what Coach K has done look for that trend to reverse.

    Can you say the same for your football team?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Utah basetball is on the rise. At this point, that is all I can ask for. I think by next year the expectation will be to compete in the PAC-12.

    Go UTES!!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Uteology

    BYU football has long since recovered from the Crowton debacle.

    A down year for BYU football during the Bronco era is a winning season and a bowl game.

    A down year for Utah football during the Kyle era is a losing season and no bowl game.

    Unfortunately for U in basketball, head-to-head is only part of the story; BYU has dominated U across the board in conference championships, overall records, and post-season tournament success.

    The same can't be said for U in football; Kyle has owned the head-to-head, but Bronco has owned the U in conference championships, Top 25 finishes, bowl appearances, and 10+ win seasons. In fact, Bronco has more 11+ win seasons since 2006, than Utah has in its entire history.

  • Hondo Sacramento, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    So funny that there are so many BYU fans on this article. I guess you come on here to make yourselves feel better after getting beat AGAIN on the football field.

    Yes, the basketball program has been in shambles for a decade. Please tell us something we don't already know. Will it stay that way? No, it won't. We've got a top 20 recruiting class coming in and a bright future.

    Enjoy your subpar football team and QB that has a 35% completion rating......

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Hondo

    So funny Utah fans wanting to talk football on a basketball article.

    Just shows how desperate U are to avoid acknowledging that BYU now owns U in basketball.

    We've been hearing talk of the Utes rebuilding for the past 8 years. The truth is, for all of that "improving", the Utes only improved from 3-15 to 5-13 in the PAC 12. The overall "improvement" from 2012 to 2013 was a facade built on a pathetically weak pre-conference schedule, just like this year's.

    Enjoy your subpar football team that can't even qualify for a bowl game...

  • Hondo Sacramento, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    Swap,

    Nice try. I readily conceded that Utah basketball has not been good for over a decade. It has performed below my expectations. And I also mentioned that it's changing. There was plenty of basketball talk.

    Yes, I talked about football because it is hilarious. For the last 4 years you've promised to win and for the last 4 years you've gone home with a loss. Again, you're here to try to talk smack about basketball because you have nothing to say about football. Had Utah played your weak schedule last year (63rd hardest according to Sagarin), Utah would have gone bowling with ease. One year is hardly a trend, my friend.

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    Just ignore the trolls,

    We all know the BBall program has been in shambles over the last decade, no surprise there. But we can also see that it seems like the program is on the rise. And if indeed it is, it is going to be a lot of fun to watch.

    I'm 26, I remember the glory years, but I never really cared much for college ball. Last year I watched more games than I ever had before, and it was a ton of fun to watch our boys get some upsets. There were awesome games last year, the wins v. CU, UO, Boise St., UW and Cal in the conference tourney. Even the lose to the Y was fun to watch. Great times are ahead!

    The haters are just here because they cant say anything about Football. Football is King, but Basketball is still a lot of fun.

    Go Utes!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    "Had Utah played your weak schedule last year (63rd hardest according to Sagarin), Utah would have gone bowling with ease."

    You have no way of proving that, but just for argument's sake:

    Utah would have lost to Utah State(obviously), Oregon State (obviously), @Notre Dame, @San Jose State, @Boise State, and @Georgia Tech

    so you might have BARELY qualified to go bowling, at 6-6, but you would have lost to SDSU, to finish with a losing record at 6-7.

    btw, Sagarin rankings take into account SOS and record, so how do you reconcile?:

    #26 BYU(8-5) #63 SOS
    #61 Utah(5-7) #41 SOS

    Utah has been trending downward since 2008:

    2008 #2/#4 13-0
    2009 #18/#18 10-3
    2010 ur/#23 10-3
    2011 unranked/#39 8-5 (4-5)
    2012 unranked/#61 5-7 (3-6)
    2013 unranked//#42 3-1 (0-1)

    The Utes haven't beaten an AP Top 25 team since 2008, nor a PAC team with a winning record, yet you've already lost a home game to a team that's not even as good most of the teams remaining on your schedule.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    "You have no way of proving that, but just for argument's sake:"

    Utah would've beaten Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, San Jose State, Boise State and San Diego State. Wow, making unprovable statements really is fun!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    Utah would have played OSU and USU in RES. It's possible Utah could have won either of those two games; especially USU. As for the rest, well, you have no idea. There is a reason they play the game.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    Ute fans are hilarious making completely unprovable claims like "Had Utah played your weak schedule last year (63rd hardest according to Sagarin), Utah would have gone bowling with ease," yet they get their shorts in a bunch when BYU fans make the exact same types of unprovable claims.

    As Utah have proven in losing an absolute LOCK of a home game versus 10-loss Colorado and in being shut out by 10-loss UNLV, the Utes are capable of losing to ANYBODY, so to claim that the Utes would be a lock to beat any particular team on BYU's schedule is silly.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    wow all this byU "fan" love on this thread is heart warming. Do you really have that much anxiety over the fact that Utah is going to own you in football and basketball in the HC this year? lol

    It was a great game in Provo last year (I was there in Red) and the cougs were fortunate to pull out the victory. This year, the out come will be different.

    Go Utes!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    Who said BYU fans have any anxiety playing the Utes in the HC?

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 12 of 15 during the Rose era, 149-145 overall

    The Utes were fortunate to get their only victory in the last 12 meetings, winning by 6 in OT in the HC.

    Go Cougars!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    swoop

    I believe it was your boy "nottoosmartforyou" that started the football thread calling out chris b. Let's at least keep the smack to a sport that the cougs have won recently.

    True

    Anxiety..that's right. I can sense it in the high pitched tones of the byU "fans" on this Utah bball article. "7 in a row, 11 out of 12" It's all coming to an end soon.

    Go Utes!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    "It's all coming to an end soon."

    Wishful thinking from a program that loses at home to teams like Sacramento State every year.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 3:40 a.m.

    Ute fans are a curious bunch indeed. Nothing before 2004 is relevant in fb and nothing after 1998 is relevant in bball. We even have a Ute fan going back 50 years in bball on this thread.

    And what's even more curious is that the thread started out with 'schedule smack' from fans of a team who have an AD who is afraid to play USU and a HC to play Weber State.

    And some of the same fans who are complaining about trolling are routinely on BYU articles.

    The Utes seem like they have better recruits and guys are starting to buy into Kryscos philosophy, something absent under Boylen. An improved year in the number of wins is possible but the OOC schedule is no way to get ready for PAC 12 play.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 29, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Objectively, this Ute team will not be as good as last years team. U lost a lot of your offensive production from last year. But in fairness to Krystko, this will be his first real rebuilding year.

    With that said, Utah fans will get all excited when the Utes sail through an embarrassingly weak NC schedule with 8 - 10 wins over teams like Evergreen, Grand Canyon and Savannah St. Then reality will set in when the Utes struggle to get 4 or 5 conference wins.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    You have your teams mixed up the y is a lot weaker having lost several key players. Utah has improved greatly at every position except center. If they get the center position worked out we will be a really good team.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    I find it very funny that Coach K schedules 11 of the first 12 games at home. That is "pac"thethic and no way to prepare a team for a tough conference schedule. Utah needs a coach with the guts to schedule harder teams, and on the road.
    u25 - and how many stars do this so-called "packed talent" have? Yeah. I thought so. The talk is all hype and the season will end the same as last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before...shall I go on?