BYU beat Michigan and won the national championship by passing to Steve Young.
Why not put both Hill and Olsen in the backfield together? I don't think
they will beat the Alabamas by playing their game.
First, you are thinking of the pass from Eddie Stinett to Steve Young in the
1983 Holiday Bowl, not the championship year. Second, that was a trick play, by
no means a staple of the offense.It is a good question whether you
can succeed having multiple passing threats on the field. I say no. You lose a
blocker doing that, unless you want to include the QB that doesn't have the
ball in your blocking scheme. I wouldn't consider that a good idea.
Serious ?2 Q's in the backfield?I have a better
idea, try a 2 QB system and rotate them in and out.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a Dave Rose as football coach?
Perhaps our expectations are a little too high... We saw Hill for really only 3
games last year and now 3 games this year... Most games he won were Defensive
wins except for Texas... We need to give him a chance to develop... He will and
he will be good.
Can someone help me with a concern? I cannot think of a passer that started
with a QB rating as low as Hill's, who eventually turned things around and
became a good passer. Can the mechanics of passing be taught? Hill is strong, no doubt about it. But can he become accurate?I hope so, but what are the odds?
Wait, so a passing game requires good blocking, receivers running good routes,
quarterbacks throwing accurately passes the receivers then catch. Wow! So why
haven't we been doing any of that?
If you can't pass, you can't run and visa versa. If you can't
score, the defense will fade. Football is a game that demands proficiency in
all aspects of the game to be truly successful. These coaches will never solve
the passing mystery because the first thing is to have a quarterback than can
throw the ball. We've established in the last two years that Bronco is
not prone to throwing the ball. Get accustomed to this, because the days of
landing top quarterback prospects are over. They have no place at BYU.
I'm sure the passing game will emerge this week and everything will be back
How long do us as loyal BYU fans have to sit back and watch this debacle? Ever
since LaVell retired, there has been a downward spiral at the quarterback
position. BYU hasn't has a traditional passing quarterback since Max Hall
graduated. This hi tempo, fast break offense, is NOT BYU football. BYU needs go
back to what has brought them so much success over the past 30 years. That is a
quarterback who can throw the football. We're at a point right now where we
have been for the past three years with Riley Nelson at the helm, to where Hill
cannot hit a receiver. He's a great runner, but passer he is not. BYU just
like they wasted the talents of Jake Heaps, is wasting the talent of one of the
premier receivers in the country in Cody Hoffman! It's sad to see that
Hoffman is our bread and butter player, and BYU cannot even get him the ball.
Stop being so loyal to Hill as you were with Riley, and let Olsen in to throw
the ball. Maybe that would put some pressure on Hill to perform. Cougars need a
Having a good game against MTSU or Weber State really proves very little for a
team talking about national championships. Not knowing enough about playing the
game makes my comments silly, perhaps, but I remember when BYU emerged on the
national radar. It wasn't from beating teams in the traditional way. I
remember the old guard wisdom against BYU's style, yet they kept winning.
Is there still room for innovation in the college game?
FDRfan: National Championships? You need to look at this realistically:1. BYU has the deck stacked against them with recruiting. They want
players willing to adhere to the Honor Code. Many kids don't want to live
by that standard and under that scrutiny. 2. Local teams (Utah,
Utah State) are better then they ever have been before. Look at Utah's
depth of talent, and they will need every bit of it to compete in the PAC-12
over the next few years. (And BYU fans need to stop moping every time they lose
to one of these other fine teams!) 3. Pocket passers are all over
the country. Passing the football is hardly an innovation today. Anae's
philosophy is cutting edge. Some have tried a similar approach, few have the
tenacity to make it work. It take discipline and time to develop a system like
that.4. BYU fans have incredibly high expectations. Many were
hoping for a perfect season this year, but look at the opponents! This is not
the patsy schedule BYU and Utah once enjoyed in the WAC and MWC.
(Continued from above)5. College football is corrupt. Recruiting is out
of control (think Oklahoma State). Do we really foresee a day in the near future
that BYU will dominate PAC-12, SEC Big 10 and Big 12 schools? No. We'll
get some wins. But a perfect season, which is what it would take to put BYU
into the top 10 today is extremely difficult. 6. Remember why we
cheer for BYU. They work hard to produce a quality product. But that product
is not measured soley by success on the football field. Perfect seasons are
rare. Good young man held to a high standard (Athletically, morally and
spiritually) are also rare. I think Utah and Utah State also strive for high
moral standards. And BYU's rigor in that area changes lives. We have much
to be proud of in this state. Good luck to Bronco, Anae and the
players. I hope your efforts show fruition soon.
Really, what will a scheduled gimme game against a very poor opponent show us.
BYU is a twenty one point favorite for goodness sake. The cougars should show
better this week than their mark key win against a bad Texas team. Take heart
BYU fans, the silver lining is that you only need one upset game and to also win
the rest of your gimme games and you will playing in a bowl game. How nice for
you.Four in a row and three years to go. LOL!
Oatmeal:Yours is the attitude we need to have. I can't tell
whether some of the people here who are ready to toss a player under the bus as
soon as problems show up are just really mean and thoughtless or perhaps are
young kids who don't appreciate the outcome of what they want. They seem to
think that merely inserting another quarterback will solve all problems because
they haven't seen his mistakes yet.To complete a pass: first,
the defense must somehow be fooled into moving the wrong way or something else
which will allow the receiver to be clear enough to have a chance to catch the
ball. Both the receiver and the quarterback must do all the right things (look
away, fake, etc.). Then, the receiver and quarterback must be running the same
play, and the quarterback usually must throw to a spot where the receiver WILL
BE several seconds later; he can't just throw at the receiver unless he is
standing still or the ball goes behind the receiver. When the team all knows
precisely how to execute the patterns and block for them, we'll win.
Wayne Rout: If you examine the game stats, you'll see that we are throwing
the ball more than enough times, but we aren't completing the passes. I
find it hard to believe Bronco is "against" throwing the ball; I think
he will do what it takes to win. But, he made the decision a while back to
become the DC, and turned the AC job over to Anae. Of course, whenever we lose
a game, the boo birds start squawking and want to fire him, but that isn't
the solution and it won't happen anyway. The time will come when Anae, his
coaches and players will all learn to work together and we will see a return to
the kinds of teams we've had in the past, however, as someone here already
pointed out, the competition has gotten much better, which bodes well for us
because when we do win, it will really mean something! Beating a BCS top ten
team or even playing them close and losing means much more than blowing out a
weaker team, even if we have more losses in the process, our overall successes
will become much sweeter!
Isn't spring and summer/fall camps meant to deploy the offense so that they
QB and players could become acclimated to the offense? Bronco's not saying
that they are learning on the fly? If so, simplify the schemes so that it would
be such a challenge. If Anae is the QB coach then I think Hill will
be okay, as he did a nice job with Beck and Hall before. However, does anyone
know who Jason has helped mentor into a successful QB?Go UTES!
I love this comment; "...like going to the Salt Flats to watch a
Volkswagen." LOL!! Some have questioned if the mechanics of passing can be
taught and will remind you of Dick's article right after the rivalry game
where he referred to Steve Young's rise to starting QB. This will be hard
for some to accept, but I was a BYU fan during Steve's days at BYU so I
followed his career. He was not recruited as a QB, but kept insisting that was
what he wanted to play. He was 8th on the depth chart to start his freshman
year and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards. He had to
learn how to pass. It can be done. So take heart Cougar fans. Your QB can be
salvaged, if he is willing to put in the work and the coaches are willing to
One of the pillars of the program is "Tradition". However,
BYU doesn't recruit "QBs". The last one we recruited plays for the
worst team in the Big XII. (His curse is currently affecting a certain WR). So what BYU does then is run. Run. Run. It was a gimmick against
Texas. Why was it a gimmick? Because it can not and will not be replicated
against better teams. BYU doesn't have another attack. It can't be
balanced.Recently Coach Anae was quoted as saying that running in
these parts is considered a heresy, or something to that effect. I'm not against change. I know things take time. BYU needs to make up
their mind about who and what they are. Don't talk about National
Championships and then come out of the gate at 1-2 and talk about how "these
things take time", and "we've been here before", etc. etc. Big time winning programs should act like big time winning programs.
BYU is not acting like a big time winning program.- A Fan...
There is a simple two-word answer to BYU's current passing woes: Ammon
Olsen. And yes, it's really that simple.
I was at the 1983 Holiday Bowl game!! oh the days or yore, sad what Byu's
offense has become
After reading this article I hear nothing but excuses from Hill Anae,
Brono...okay basically the entire offensive power minds. Great Hill has a strong
arm, but if he can't connect with his receivers down field what difference
does it make? Hill should be moved to a running back and on special teams as a
kicker/punt returner and the coaches need to find someone who is taller, bigger,
and who can throw. Until the QB position is fixed BYU will continue to lose to
Utah and to every other ranked team. They may win tomorrow, but the other games?
No. Not if they play like they did against the Utes. This is turning out to be a
"Can the mechanics of passing be taught? "Look no further
than Tim Tebow for your answer.
@Silent LurkerIt took me a minute to figure out "mark key
win". Did you mean "marque win"?What does "against
a bad Texas team" mean? Did the team play badly that day, or is the team
itself "bad", that is, they cannot play well no matter how they try? If
the latter, I think you are committing the mistake of labeling a team or player
as either "nearly perfect" or "lousy" with nothing in between.
That is something we can and should avoid. A player can have a bad game, he can
make a bad mistake; he can have a "marque" game or a lousy game. That
player may also have a decent, average, or "so-so" game, a mediocre,
sub-par, or below average game; it doesn't need to always be described in
extremes. I am not pretending to know all about how to write. It is not the
words themselves which matter; it is the thinking the words represent that
matters. When we can think more like we claim we wish to be, we will become fans
that other teams envy.
Why do I hear so many remarks about "national championships", follows by
criticisms of how the team is playing? Isn't a National Championship the
goal of EVERY team at the beginning of the season?
I was once told that only a fool, after a failure, does the same thing yet again
expecting to get a different result. Re-hiring Anae after he was fired, yes he
was fired when Socrates whoops Bronco asked all his offensive coaches to submit
a letter of resignation but now HE'S BACK and failing again. Not only Anae
but he hired yet another inexperienced QB coach, only in this case the new coach
played far less than his key student, when he was a varsity athlete. The factor
that is maddening about Socrates is his inability to learn from mistakes of
others. He has to try something that the college football world has already
found to fail, like a child would. It could be his 2 QB system, the getting all
your recruits to committ earlier than anyone else, the list goes on and on. But
learning from his mistakes is dicey business. He gets dumped by bad Utah teams
year in and year out, what's his response just organizational management
201 talk. He makes simply idiotic coaching mistakes such as Boise 2012 when he
refused to consider overtime. And Anae that pass at VA, dumb just dumb
BYU fans...take a breath. Some of you are already calling for Anae's head
and we're three games into the season. If I remember correctly didn't
Anae say in the beginning that this would be a process that takes time? Not once
did I hear him suggest that BYU would come out blazing, scoring 60 points a game
and leaving opponents choking on their dust. He has suggested patience from day
one, and three games in many BYU fans have already given up.Here's a nickels worth advice. 1) See if Anae and Bronco are willing to
make QB changes and give people opportunities...even change positions for Hill
if it comes to that (I'd like to see him at running back). 2) Be patient,
and you all may find that the future could be spectacular...if we can be patient
(look at some of the recruits coming in). 3) allow the young inexperienced
O-line to develop and watch for improvement. Rome wasn't built in a day,
and despite what some of you think it can't be destroyed in a day either
(or 3). Stay the course, the end product may surprise you.