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BYU, Utes football: Utah defeats BYU again, enters 2-year break on 4-game winning streak

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  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:32 a.m.

    Utes win as per usual.

    Bet there is at least one Cougar "fan" in Tulsa tonight.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:34 a.m.

    Nice win on the road Ute. We have a lot of room for improvement but we showed some maturity tonight. Welcome to irrelevance once again Cougars.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:36 a.m.

    To the Ute-haters who are always on these boards,

    Welcome to PAC12 football!

    Again.

    lol

    GO UTES!!!

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:37 a.m.

    When does the Beehive boot arrive at the Smith Athletics Center?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:39 a.m.

    Congratulations Utes... You deserved this win.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:41 a.m.

    4 in a row, 9 of the last 12, 57-34-4 now! Go Utes!!!

    See you in 2016 little brothers!

  • Yayhoo Logan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:42 a.m.

    I really thought that the Cougars would win tonight and hate seeing them lose to Utah, but congrats to the Utes for the win.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:44 a.m.

    So, where's the most important information from this whole debacle-Williams' health??

  • TFUDD SLC, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:45 a.m.

    Chris B is looking prophetic.

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:46 a.m.

    I dont want to hear this byu outgained Utah stuff

    Utah yards per play: 6.2
    Byu yards per play: 4.5

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:46 a.m.

    Cant wait to hear how the better team lost this time...

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:47 a.m.

    Good game. Have a nice life byu. Hard to argue with 4-0.

  • trueblue87 Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:50 a.m.

    While I agree that the Cougars didn't play a spectacular 4 quarters, I think you have to chalk this one up for the Pac-12 refs. The fumbled punt return that wasn't and the blatant no calls when Utah players continuously went after BYU players after the play was blown dead, often-times ending with the refs having to separate 2 or more players. I move that we do away with conference officials and bring them all under the NCAA umbrella.

  • RevK Glenwood, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:56 a.m.

    Utes deserved it. BYU will rebound. Don't think Utah is superior. They both better pick it up, or there wont be any bowl games to talk about. Go Cougars.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    Credit where credit is due... Chris B was right.

  • hockiechick Santa Monica, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:58 a.m.

    Only 18 completions in 48 passes? Here's an idea: Why doesn't BYU hire a real head coach; someone who can recruit a quarterback with talent.

  • TamaBYU Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:58 a.m.

    Hats off to the UTES they played well and deserved to be winners. Good luck with the rest of your season and beat those Pac12 teams. Sure will miss the rivalry but you all deserve to be in the Pac12. In the mean time lets go Cougars and finish this season strong!
    Go Cougs!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:01 a.m.

    Love the pic of Anthony Denham...says it all!!

    Go Utes!!

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:06 a.m.

    Robert Anae needs to go. Poor play calling in the Blue zone (plus when Byu had the Ball at the 27) should seal his fate. The guy is just not a good offensive coordinator. Bringing him back was a HUGE mistake. He wants to run a system at a University that does not have the athletes to run it. Wake up BYU. He just doesn't have the skills or experience to run the kind of offense we need.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:12 a.m.

    BYU lost their "Super Bowl" and the "State Championship". What do the Cougs have to play for now?

    This loss is going to haunt Cougar Nation for years to come. Utah has the upper hand in this rivalry!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:21 a.m.

    From this article--

    "Yet the Cougars outgained the Utes in total yardage, 443-402."

    What should have been included within this utterly misleading statement, would have been to state the fact byu needed to run 32 more plays than The U did, in order to achieve this utterly meaningless/irrelevant difference of merely 41 yards.

    We owned/controlled this game, literally, from start-to-finish. There is, in fact, no possible way even remotely to spin it as being anything else, otherwise.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:25 a.m.

    Utah played a great game.

    When two teams are evenly matched, a few calls against you, can lose the game.

    It happened to Utah State, Wisconsin, and BYU. These were the same refs who loss the game for Wisconsin last week. All of these teams should have won their PAC 12 games.

    It appears the PAC 12 is corrupt, and crooked. These refs should come from a neutral conferences when playing out of conference teams.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:29 a.m.

    Prayers going out for Jamaal Williams. There has been some positive news relative to movement of the extremities but last we heard Williams is still in the ICU. It was a very physical game tonight. A lot of people banged up.

    BYU had the bye before this game. Utah will need the 12 days to prepare for UCLA at home and heal up.

    Going into the hiatus in this rivalry game is sweet with 4 straight and 9 of the last 12 wins. But for BYU, they need to credit Utah like Anae did. Bronco and many fans always make excuses about officiating, and so called fluke turnovers. Utah is the better team. They dominated both lines of scrimmage and put their corners on an island and unlike Sean Mannion who is an NFL caliber QB for Oregon State who dropped dimes in tight coverage, Taysom Hill wasn't good enough in the air and Utah took away the run.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:52 a.m.

    Great game tonight! Go UTES!!!

  • Coolio SLC, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:01 a.m.

    Taysom can't throw. Period. Anae can't call plays in the red zone. Period. Bronco can't prepare his team to play the Utes. Period. BYU has no conference title to play for. Period. BYU will not play their rivals for two years. Period. I'm a BYU fan. Period. Why? Question Mark. I don't know anymore. Period. I've never cared less about the program than I do now. Period.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:02 a.m.

    Four straight wins, shutting out van noy and the seniors, leaving no doubt headed into the next two years of no rivalry game. In a way it feels like we won the next two years as well- like we won three games tonight. Hey, just like last year!

    GO UTES!

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:13 a.m.

    Great win by the Utes! It was fun to be in the stands for this one. And a big thanks to the BYU fans who were classy after the game. It was much appreciated and I hope we're able to return the favor the next time you guys come our way (in a few years).

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:04 a.m.

    Classic BYU retorts in the next few days:

    "We won a National Championship 30 years ago!"

    "It was a moral victory, we were good 30 years ago"

    "We had a guy win the Heisman Trophy 30 years ago"

    "30 years ago you were not good"

    "30 years ago we were WAC champs!"

    "Steve Young kept his politics to himself 30 years ago!"

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:06 a.m.

    Once again Kyle and the defense played their hearts out only to be let down by terrible QB play and poor offensive production and once again Bronco was out-coached by Kyle.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:08 a.m.

    oh...and btw, once again Bronco starts out another season with a 1-2 record. (is that 6 out of his 9 seasons?)

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:21 a.m.

    Maybe this is a great time to take a break on this rivalry and remember it is just a football game and return to sanity. Both sides have let emotions rule and have lost perspective. With the death this summer of Utah's Gaius Vaenuku and the apparently serious injury to Jamaal Williams, we have all been forced into a more subdued, realistic look at what is really important. Maybe we can all be more happy for each others successes and realize that a win for one team isn't a loss for the other team. Hopefully both teams will do well for the next 3 years and will do the state of Utah proud. Great game and good luck to both teams in the future!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:16 a.m.

    "BYU is definitely the toughest defense we've played so far."

    A fitting tribute by Utah's quarterback to a tough challenge. BYU fans should be proud of their team in defeat. Please don't come onto these boards and say Utah didn't earn the victory, or make excuses. For the past several years, that's all we've heard. Our team won, but you guys put up a great fight.

    Go Utes!!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:32 a.m.

    BYU played horribly inconsistent all night long. Several things doomed the team: the offensive line couldn't open up the running game and Hill made awful decisions at QB (again). He had receivers one on one but under threw them so the defense could easily swat the passes away. The play calling was extremely predictable in the first half and got slightly better in the second. BYU can hurry up all they want, but if they are running the same 3 plays that Anae has run for a bazillion years, it's easy to defend.

    We haven't had a great quarterback in I don't know how many years (think of the last one to beat a legit top 10 team). Is it the QB or the system? I don't think Taysom would have made it at Stanford completing 33- 38% of his passes. He's a great athlete but there's not the course correction or development. And this is with a new set of coaches.

    I don't know who we get to run our offense but Anae stinks. I say we stop playing Utah until we decide how we will beat them. There's no excuse for this.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:38 a.m.

    I did not see the game. I was at my daughter's birthday party. Nobody looked at the their iPhones for the score. I peeked on the way home and was surprised to see 20-6 in the 4th quarter.

    I expected more from the Cougs, but my BYU-loving son had it right. Taysom can't pass well enough if Utah can stop the run. I expected BYU to hold Utah to 21 points, but expected 28 from the Cougs. So I was half right.

    Before we BYU fans start talking about firing Bronco and Anae, lets get some realism here. This team was a shambles last year and it will take more than three games to turn around. Taysom Hill may improve as a passer. Or not. But it is only a game, right?

    Congratulations to the Utes. Apparently they played better and won the game. Good for them. I won't wish them well in the PAC12 games ahead, though. I'm a Husky fan, too. Rain or shine. Go Dawgs.

  • SouthFLUte Delray Beach, FL
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    What no Cougar gloating with the ever so inane "little brother" comments? I think last night's results dispels any myth that the Utes are afraid to play BYU...

  • loveless center valley, pa
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:26 a.m.

    Hwy, we may lost the game, but we still have the Honor Code and Utah doesn't! Go cougs!!

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    From a BYU fan - Good game Utes. You guys were the better team last night. I think we've seen over the last four years (and something like 9 out of the last 12) why Utah was invited to the big leagues and BYU had to make a league of their own. BYU has definitely taken the role of little brother in this matchup.

    Looking forward to the 2 year break - too bad it's not more permanent.

  • Horrible Stumper Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:41 a.m.

    Football independence (Face it BYU is not Notre Dame), and inept coaching will continue to plague the Cougs. Going to be a while until BYU is relevant in college football again. Go Utes, you have shown your stuff, now go win some PAC 12 games.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    Congratulations Utes. You deserve the respect of all of us. I am not afraid to give credit where credit is due. You truly dominate the Cougars in football in this era. You played with heart and intensity, yesterday. Most of all, there was great skill, especially in the coaching staff. Congratulations on a terrific win!

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    Great game as usual. I'm proud of my Ute!! Welcome back to irrelevance for the next two years Cougars.

  • fowersjl Farmington, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Pac-12 refs have fun making sure their teams win games.

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    This article seemed very bias towards BYU. I understand Call is a "BYU" insider, but it sounded like a fan complaining about calls or no calls than what actually happened in the game.

    BYU lost to a better team. Penalties are a part of the game. Yes, the holds on the return negated a TD return, but the hold also negated two tacklers on that return. On the long pass play, it was fortunate that the tackle held because the hit that Hill would certainly have taken before getting rid of the ball was a turnover waiting to happen.

    Call it what it is, a win for Utah. BYU didn't lose this game as most BYU fans claim every year after losing to Utah, Utah won this. Until Hill can complete 50% of his passes, the ceiling on this BYU team is 6 wins.

    As for Utah, the road gets extremely difficult from here. They will need to find a win in one of the next two games to get to 6.

    Go Ute's.... Another great rivalry game last night.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    4 in a row!

    Y seniors never taste victory over the Utes!

    How sweet it is!!!!!

  • md Cache, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    18 of 48 passing for Hill? Wow. That is really bad.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    Once again Utah has a "perfect" season.
    All the other games matter not. But the annual trouncing of the enemy from the south makes the season, makes the year and puts joy in the hearts of millions.
    Well done Utes.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    4th down and less than a yard and BYU punts when they are behind. Really. Utah then scores a TD. Third and goal and BYU settles for a field goal. I believe BYU was in the red zone four times and settled for two field goals. Turned KSL off and went to bed before the final score. Utah did not win, BYU lost the game on poor decision making by the coaching staff. Whatever happened to risk taking. Go for it on 4th down. Fake a punt of field goal when the game is on the line. Bring some excitement back to the game.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Horrible play calling.
    Hill really needs to be given more insight on reading the defense.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Bronco does not think passing ability is important in a quarterback. This season will be just like last year and the year before. We've seen his best.

  • hedgelog Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    The loss "is huge" as well. It's time for Bronco to step down!

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    Congrats to the U on their adding to the recent win run and good luck in your conference.

    What is encouraging to this cougar fan is the fact that so many of the recent games came down to a single score or were decided on last plays. That means we're right up there and can hold our own, just not quite there. If BYU can find a passing game again, they'll be alright; if not, it's going to be a long, sad year.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Loved the outcome. Whit, Erickson and Sitakie had a great game plan. BYU played extremely hard. Their defense is superb. I sincerely hope that Jamaal Wiiliams recovers fully from his injury.

  • gb13 Herriman, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Game Summary: The Utes have the better coaching staff. The Utes have the better QB. The Utes are an Average Team. The Cougars showed that they are Below Average. This is discomforting to any Loyal Cougar Fan, including Van Noy and Hoffman, especially after all the hype that we hear about BYU every day in the Deseret News! This (BYU) team is not well-coached and are not disciplined. One concerning event in the game was seeing our QB take Apo to task for apparently not turning around quick enough to receive a pass that was in the ground 10' behind him. The irony was that in the balance of that series (and many other series)the thrown balls by that QB were no were near the receivers. This guy needs some help with technique. 18-48? Even if we give him 4 more receptions for dropped balls, 22-48 in no where near acceptable, or will win games. We cannot have a 10-win season with 4-win coaches and a 5-win QB.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Yep, Worf,
    Just like the government you moan about the rest of the week on the DN forums.
    Life just isn't fair! LOL

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Life long BYU fan here...congrats to the Utes (I just threw up...lol)

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    utes have two players of the game. the stout defense. they looked good and came to play as well as the pac 12 refs. how these guys still have jobs with their performance over the last two weeks is beyond me. (same crew who blew the ASU vs. Wisconsin game) give the utes credit. but come on pac 12 refs you looked like a 1a high school crew. utterly pathetic.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    Worfs theory of football:

    Utes will not do well in PAC 12 play. Not because of lesser talent, but because the winners have been chosen.--Figure the rest.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    This pretty much sums up the direction that each program is heading

    Upcoming Games:

    BYU "Football"
    MIDDLE TENNESSEE @ BYU

    Utah Football
    UCLA @ UTAH

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Very frustrating game, Utah deserved to win, there isn't a lot of difference between the two teams, Utah was the better team last night, the better team doesn't always win but last night Utah showed to be the better team. Until BYU can get a QB that can pass the ball with some kind of consistency and effectiveness they will continue to struggle and lose close games like this one. I like Hill but at this point in his career he's not very good. Wilson is showing he can be pretty good maybe even special. I sure hope Williams isn't hurt too bad, looks like this will be a long frustrating season, this is probably how it will feel all season long with the Jazz as well good talent, close games but a lot of loses.

  • activ2004 Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Whoopy!, Absolutely meaningless!

    The BYU Cougars are overly generous in their sympathy towards 7-8 Utah! Where much is given much is expected in return.

    Hey "Senior" UTES, there is more to football then beating BYU, go out their and do something really meaningful like winning a conference championship. Wake me up when you come close! Hopefully I won't be dozing too long.

  • tigermama4 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    It's unbelieveable how there has been no mention about how poor the PAC12 refs called the game. We want our 3 touchdowns back. Then we'll talk!

  • roberto Moses Lake, WA
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    The taste of crow is getting old. Good game Utes. You were right Chris B. Now I have to go wash my mouth out with paint thinner!

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    The No. 1 problem with BYU is many of their fans. Bronco is a good coach and their QB has plenty of talent. The probelm for BYU was that their QB was constantly under pressure. OSU beat us because their quarterback rarely took a hit. It is not a coaching problem, BYU simply got out played - though they kept it close. The worst part about football is the fan who aways thinks they know better than the coach with a winning record. I watched the game at a local restaurant with an obnoxious U fan who had to let us all know how stupid he thought Whittingham was. From the look of the guy, he had probably never played. It reminded me of when many BYU fans were calling for Lavell's head when he had an off season. BYU and Utah are fortunate to have great coaches and solid programs. Those of us who bleed red will appreciate that for the current run our young men have played just a little bit better.

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Until BYU replaces Bronco, (hopefully keep him on as defensive coordinator.) BYU football has settled for mediocracy.
    Bronco is just not a "Head Coach" plain & simple, if .500 or barely above, is all BYU wants, kindly disregard this comment.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Congratulations Utah well played game. Hopefully BYU will not over react. We have already had 3 different offensive coordinators in 6 years. I liked what I saw with BYU's offensive scheme. There were open receivers at key points all night long they were just missed or dropped the ball.

    We well have tougher games ahead. On the read against Utah State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame. Plenty of opportunity to redeem ourselves. Execution will improve. Bronco has said that no one at any position is entitled.

    I look forward to the remainder of the season.

    Go Cougars

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Good win, where's ducks, Rockwell, down under and cougfanintexas? They had a lot to say going into the game. Funny how that works

  • TheBleak West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Dennis- A win over byu is sweet, and a loss is bitter, but Utah nees pac12 wins so much more now.

    NeilT-
    This is why byu fans are so annoying, you simply cannot admit that Utah beat your team. We win four in a row, nine in the last twelve, and yet you still say we did not beat you, that it was the refs fault or byu giving us the game. Give me a break. Utah is mentally tougher than byu and gets in their heads easily and byu has not been able to respond or overcome that. We sacked your QB five times to your getting ours once. We completed passes, byu clearly struggles in the passing game, so Utah played accordingly and limited byu's effectiveness on the ground. Byu is a tough team, it is always a dog fight and can go either way, but Utah has been better recently. Why is it so hard for you to admit that and not make excuses? Bronco makes them all the time and never gives Utah credit, which is embarrassing. At least Anae has the ability to admit when he is outplayed and loses to a good team.

  • TheBleak West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    To all the complaints about the refs losing it for you, they made some good no calls, such as the nearly muffed punt, which was clearly never touched, and some bad calls for both sides. Utah had a big call taken away from us, that PI that was said to be tipped before the penalty, but it clearly was not. Oh well, that happens. Despite some bad calls, the best team will prevail and win. We came out the gate and scored, and despite some weaknesses and mistakes, Utah put a great game plan together and took away the run and made Hill throw. Utah tried to exploit the weaknesses, it is what good coaches and teams do, just like byu did to Texas. Try to take the win away as much as you want, but we clearly played better and won.

    Go Utes! Go Aggies! and for Hill's sake, I hope he gets better in the passing game, and I hope Williams is okay.

    Sorry for the rants, first time commenter, long time reader. I just an tired of not getting the credit we deserve, when aside from a few pinheads, Utah gives it too, and respects byu.

  • mattb7 Sterling, VA
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    I was feeling bad for the Cougars last night, but not because they lost: I'm a Ute, so I was happy to win again. No--I was seeing Cougars playing their hearts out, down and nearly out, in desperate need for their head coach to lift their energies, their spirits, their hopes. What did they get?

    Bronco, walking the sidelines like he was barely awake. Meanwhile, he insists on doing that ready, set, go thing when the offense comes in that even high-schoolers would think is little league at best and insulting, distracting at worst. The players looked like they had about as much enthusiasm for it down the stretch as, well, Bronco shows generally through every game.

    Bronco has been a very good coach; he hasn't shown great yet. Great would be breaking into BCS bowls and winning them. Repeatedly. As Kyle has. And maybe getting invited into a premier conference. I genuinely wish you well during this stupid two-year playing hiatus Cougars, but the odds are that you'll be very good at best. Not great. If Bronco doesn't soon show great, you'll need to ask whether very good is good enough.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    A few points:

    - BYU fans, Utah won this game. Spare us the "we beat ourselves" rhetoric. You were beaten by a superior team.
    - The refs did not lose you this game. Every controversial call was substantiated on TV by replay. It was a well-called game.
    - This is how BYU starts seasons now: 1-2 and fans calling for Bronco and the QB's heads.
    - This season will end how all BYU seasons end now: You'll run the table against the WAC's bottom dwellers, go to a forgotten bowl game, and in January you'll proclaim Bronco the greatest coach in football and your QB a Heisman candidate. Until next September arrives and we do this all over again.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Congrats to the utes. It is obvious at this point that they are into BYU's head and have a mental edge. It will be a long two years.

  • youtefan Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Cougar fans fail to realize for every penalty you got the UTES got one too! We handed you a touchdown on a silver platter! with a penalty against the UTES ! I have never heard Coach Whit trash the refs but Bronco did last night! Making excuses for yourteam does not make them better! Thank goodness Coach Whit knows his team and takes full responsibility for their mistakes and you don't see those mistakes in the next game! Just say'n

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Congratulations ute fans... Your team played better than I thought they were capable of playing last night and BYU played much worse (which is surprising based on our week off for preperation)...

    I thought that both Anae and Hill would be better prepared, but it could be they simply don't have the skills or the abilities to compete effectively at this level... Utah's OCs and Utah's QB were clearly better...

    BYU sorely missed Hadley's defense on short passes over the Center, and Williams running ability in the 4th quarter (haven't heard how Williams is doing but I hope that he is alright)...

    Hill needs to learn how to hit a receiver with touch passes... Seems like the only pass he can throw is a bullet... And outside of Kauffman the Coug Recievers looked horrible.

    I don't personally like anything about utah (the school, the players, the coaches and especially the personality of the fan base), but they clearly deserved to win last night and the apparent truth is that KW is a far better coach with his team than BM is with his.

    So crow it is for 3 more years.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Go Utes! 4-0, and counting! Thanks for ensuring that the next three years especially will be sweet! Because no matter what, my Utes have dominated this era in the rivalry, and my "testimony about Y football" bearing co-workers, managers, etc., will not have a leg to stand on! I've never been more proud to don Ute Crimson Red! Go Travis Wilson! Go Coach Whit!

    GO UTES!!!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    The irony is that Utah will struggle to get six wins (I almost see another 5-7 situation) and BYU should eek into some lower tier bowl.

  • earthquakejake Logan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Utah has clearly been the better team of the decade. Maybe two years off will change things for BYU.

  • cdchttrtn meridian, idaho
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Rockarolla, west Jordan, Your are absolutely right!!!!!! Worst offensive coordinator in college football. How can you run Williams right up the middle as offend has Anae did. Pass patterns are terrible. With all the college football being played around the country and all the great passing teams, it would seem like Anae could design an pass offensive that looks like a college level team. I know that Hill is not a great passer, but I don't blame him. The routes that BYU runs and the play calling is very, very poor. Also, on special teams, especially when we are about to receive a punt. Late in the game we put pressure on the kicker like we wanted to block the kick. Why didn't we man up on every offensive Utah player and try and keep them from getting down field so that our return guy might get a better chance to field the ball and get a good return. Anae was terrible when he was here before. Why did they bring him back?

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    I just love looking at previous posts. On July 12th, Duckhunter wrote the following:

    And it isn't just utah's schedule that is going to prevent it, it is that they simply are not going to be very good. They'll probably lose to both usu and BYU and will probably lose to very pac12 team other than colorado and maybe washington st. a 3 win season for them is a real possiblity.

    Well the Utes already have 3 wins and beat both USU and BYU. Might be time to admit your very biased prediction was wrong.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    @trueblue -

    Your comments about the refs simply degrade the knowledgeable BYU fans that accept they were beat by a better team. There was no fumble on the punt, he never touched the ball and even the announcers agreed. The continued scuffles after the whistle were as much from the Y players (especially the freshman OL man) as from the U players. The hold on Van Noy in the 4th Quarter was a great acting job on his part and the taunting penalty on Rowe was questionable at best.

    Why don't you just man up and admit what all the rest of us saw? Utah was never behind at any point in the game and deserved the win.

  • mattb7 Sterling, VA
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Once again I pass Deseret News a comment and then . . . nothing . . . nothing. How long does it take DN? Last week after passing you a comment, it took you about three days after "approving" for me to see the post show up.

    I posted a comment to this article at least an hour ago. I got your "approval" message. Then. Nothing. Helloooooo DN . . .

  • downunder south jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    My question as with all pac 12 games is do they use nfl replacement refs? Not just this game look at any game involving pac 12 football teams. Utah deserved to win that game! With all the outstanding high school quarterbacks just in Utah can't BYU get one that can pass? Chuck Keeton looked ridiculous yesterday as well.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    duck,

    Admit it. It's a coaching and an athletic edge.

    Go Utes...PAC12.

  • Utejazz West Valley City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    Kyle Van Noy wanted to win so bad! But one guy can't win for a team. The Utes as a team had more heart then BYU. And Utes are better coached!

  • BluedevilUte PAYSON, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    Utah wins again...Here's my take. After watching first four games for Utah in person, BYU is the second slowest team Utah has played. Weber was slower but not by much. Utah State's D was better than BYU's and BYU's run game was better than USU's. BYU will never, I repeat NEVER get true speed or talent across the board unless they join a big time conference. They will continue to have one or two good (not great or elite)players. Utah will continue to dominate them. BYU please try and join any conference so this can be a rivalry again. And for all you cougar fans blaming the refs, you were given a taunting penalty (which is never called) and three chances to win last year and you still lost. So give the whole ref conspiracy thing a break.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    @worf

    I agree with you, the refereeing was horrible. After this crew's horrible outing last week in favor of the PAC12, they bent over backwards to help out the non-PAC12 team. The unsportsmanlike against Rowe was weak. Failure to call offensive PI on the last play of the game was inexcusable. Missed at least one PI against KVN. Multiple holding calls against BYU went uncalled.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    @fowersjl

    Really? You mean like the blown PI call that was overruled. And the offensive PI call on the last play of the game. Or how Trevor Reilly was held all game long? The missed PI on KVN? The phantom unsportsmanlike on Rowe?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    @trueblue87

    While I agree that the Cougars didn't play a spectacular 4 quarters, I think you have to chalk this one up for the Pac-12 refs.

    ---------

    Of course "you" do, it's how Cougar Nation faces reality each season. After all if it wasn't for the refs you would be 3-0 right now.

    Oops, forgot it was rain that cost you the Virgina game.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Utah deserved the win and congratulations. Two things seemed obvious to me, Utah had the better coaching- exploited every one of BYUs weaknesses: bad O line and weak secondary. The other, Hill should be a receiver or running back, not QB, in the BYU system. Any closeness of ball to receivers was purely coincidental- everything behind, over or under thrown.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Congrats to the utes. It is obvious at this point that they are into BYU's head and have a mental edge.

    ----------

    Mental edge? No. What Utah has is the talent, coaching, scoreboard edge.

    Like I've said Utah can compete against teams like Wazzu and BYU, we need to build depth in order to compete with rest of the PAC-12.

    1-2 ... Welcome to a real schedule. Don't worry, BYU still has 5 build in wins so you should make your 3rd tier bowl game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    @CO Ute
    The continued scuffles after the whistle were as much from the Y players (especially the freshman OL man) as from the U players. The hold on Van Noy in the 4th Quarter was a great acting job on his part and the taunting penalty on Rowe was questionable at best.

    -----------

    The BYU freshman was having "buyers remorse" after ripping Utah's offer letter on YouTube.

    Flop Van Noy lost his Super Bowl.

    Rowe deserved the penalty. He should have been ripped by Kyle on the sidelines, he nearly cost us the game. Similar discipline issues cost us big against Oregon State with Orchard. That being said, those are two of our best players. Hopefully they've learned from their mistakes.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    Utah clearly came into this with the better gameplan, executed it in the first half, and BYU was not able to fix enough in the second half. I'll stick with my belief that the three Utah schools are pretty similar in skill to each other.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    The Bleak: Read my post again. I never blamed the refs. I said BYU should have gone for it on 4th and less than a yard. I also said BYU had numerous opportunity to score in the red zone and failed miserably. 3rd and goal. That is four chances to make three yards and they settled for a field goal. Pathetic

  • Bigpics West Haven, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    So the Utes "won Utah." Cool that.

    The question is with a defense that gave up 443 yards and going in was ranked dead last in the COUNTRY in red zone defense, when are they going to show that the school that beat the Crimson Tide in the Sugar Bowl (and helped secure their new conference invite) actually belongs in the Pac 12 as a contender?

    After failing to win their first conference game (yet), not starting 0-2 in league play would be a step...

  • Coolio SLC, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Here is the truth. Since Max Hall left BYU has not had a QB. It's rather simple. The recruitment of Jake Heaps turned out to be the single most damaging thing to happen to Bronco's coaching career. He built his offense around a 17 year old kid who in the end turned out to be a dud. I don't blame Bronco for Heaps failures, he landed a prize recruit who flopped. (Watch his games at Kansas to be reaffirmed how soft he is.)

    That single move sent the program spiraling to where it has landed. Heaps was so bad that Bronco was forced to use Riley Nelson, something he never imagined he would have to do, because he thought he had a true QB in Heaps. Nelson was not a DI starter. Then Taysom arrives, not a true BYU recruit, a Stanford transfer. I would imagine Hill was brought in by Brandon Doman, who loved Hill's running game. But as we have seen for two years now, that's all Hill has. He's not a DI QB either.

    It happens. John Walsh anybody? Until the Y recruits another DI QB we will flounder.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Props to the byu fans that are congratulating Utah.

    To you that are in denial...blaming the refs, "we beat ourselves", mental edge, etc., at least you're not hiding. lol.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    re: 54-10 12:32 a.m. Sept.

    2 thoughts...

    1) They don't have the espn family of networks in Tulsa?
    2) byu fans exist everywhere. I'm told they have a universal fan base.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    to md pg 3

    Actually, Taysom hit 3 of every 8 which is a step up from 1 of every 3.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    @duckhunter

    " It is obvious at this point that they are into BYU's head and have a mental edge.

    As usual I enjoy your comments. Your observation was the way I saw the game also. The Utes did have "a mental edge"; however, I thought there could possibly have been one or two or.... other areas where the Utes had an edge.

    Our season begins with 8 conference games including 5 currently ranked teams + 1 previously ranked + 1 that knocked the team out. Tough waters ahead!

    I would suspect the Y will end the season with a better record than the U; perhaps one will go bowling and one might not. Obviously then the Y is the superior team.

    Good luck with Middle Tennessee State.

  • frugalfly PULLMAN, WA
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    Losing to OSU will hurt the Utes more than the win against BYU will help them. Utah plays their best against BYU. They have for 20 years. If the Utes could play everyone like they play BYU they would pick up another 2-4 wins per year. Utah has the coaching and psychological advantage in this "rivalry". These are close games which are one maybe two plays apart. Utah, to their credit, seems to be able to more consistently hold par on their opportunities. BYU, when given the opportunity, just bogeys their opportunities. As a Coug fan, I am very disappointed at the lost opportunities. If I was a Ute fan (hard for me to imagine), I would be very very angry that we can play so well against BYU and then lose to teams like OSU, Colorado. The inconsistency would be frusterating. But I get to deal with my own frusteration of a team that can't seem to hold par with Utah. We all have our frusterations I guess...good game. It must feel good to have so many years of success against a hated foe.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @NeilT

    No what you said was more pathetic than blaming the refs.

    "Utah did not win, BYU lost the game on poor decision making by the coaching staff."

    Utah did win by being a better team and executing a better game plan. Accept reality.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    Strange:

    Wisconsin, Utah State, BYU, had more penalties playing PAC 12 teams than against non-PAC 12 teams combined.

    Utah State had a bunch of fifteen yard penalties with Utah, and USC,--than compare to Air Force, & Weber.

    Wisconsin, and BYU also had more penalties than combined non- PAC 12 teams played. They both had the same refs.

    Than there's the pass interference no calls.

    Are politics spreading it's influence into sports?

  • Hugh G. Hater Swat Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    Bronco needs to go. Under his leadership the football program is rapidly becoming
    a punch line. This is yet another big game he failed to prepare his team for.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX

    Worfs theory of football:

    -------------

    Blame it on the rain..

    Blame it on the "trick plays"...

    Blame it on the "15 yard penalties"...

    Blame it on the alum on the "corrupt PAC-12 officials"...

    Otherwise, BYU is now 7 plays from 15-0.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    @uteology

    I'll give you the coaching edge although I think it is slight, but my belief is it is a mental edge and as a coach I think the mental edge is the single biggest factor in these types of games. utah appears to go into them believing they will win, BYU appears to hope they will win, and that is a huge edge for utah. I've seen this many times, the team that knows they will win usually does while the team that hopes to win only occasionally does. At this point in time utah has that edge and I wish it was BYU that has it. The talent is close, utah didn't come anywhere close to dominating that game, to the contrary they were pretty deficient in a lot of areas, but they made plays when they needed to make them because they were mentally stronger and that was the difference.

    I give them all the credit.

    You may think it is other factors and that is fine but why not accept my congratulations and my acknowledgement of what I believe makes utah superior with a sincere thank you?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    The article claims BYU lost because of mistakes, then it lists 3-4 big penalties on BYU.

    Not a single penalty that cost Utah was mentioned. For example, nothing was said about:

    * The alum in the replay booth overturning the pass interference penalty on BYU to a "tip ball". ESPN announcers were in "shock and awe" on that call.

    * The flop by KVN that cost Utah a first down late in the 4th, resulting in a Utah punt. ESPN announcers awarded him an Emmy for that play.

    * The huge penalty that Rowe deserved for taunting, resulting in BYU's only TD of the game.

    So 2 huge bad calls against Utah and one huge mistake by Rowe, but the only thing the author cares to mention is the mistakes by BYU.

  • Middle of the Road Home Town USA, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Go ahead Utes and gloat yourselves til your next loss like the one with Oregon. One can't help but to wonder about BYUs loss and the "set up" of the YouTube piece and Spencer Hadley's partying with the Red Team.

    What a coincidence? Yeah right.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    If cougar fans aren't allowed to kvetch about the poor PAC officiating (which were mostly penalties that should have been called but weren't), then the Utes from here on out aren't allowed to whine either, when their corrupt officiating bites you while playing the darlings of your conference. You haven't figured that out yet? You're new to town, so maybe you haven't been paying attention. That's how your conference rolls. Have fun in the cellar. It's why you were brought in.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    Utah had the better game plan. Dres Anderson played lights out. Taysom Hill was not ready for prime time. BYU's loss diminishes the superb job done by the Cougars defense.The refs were awful, learning that they called the ASU vs Wisconsin game is perplexing. Utah was able to play with reckless abandon knowing this group wouldn't call anything. Cody Hoffman was clearly hurting and not having Spencer Hadley really hurt pass defense. Watching the game was hard because Bronco Mendenhall and Robert Anaie got outcoached big time. Family from Seattle made the trip to see BYU win but unfortunately it didn't happen.

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    "Once again Utah has a "perfect" season.
    All the other games matter not. But the annual trouncing of the enemy from the south makes the season, makes the year and puts joy in the hearts of millions."

    Typical byu fan drivel.....

    The Oregon State game was huge, the UCLA game is gigantic. @ USC and @ Zona, home vs ASU are all huge games as well. There are about 4 or 5 games on the schedule I would trade a our win over byu for.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Pendergast
    Salt Lake City, UT
    When does the Beehive boot arrive at the Smith Athletics Center?

    ________

    The boot must be cleaned out first. The Cougars had a pre-game party, expecting to win, and filled it with green jello.

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    The difference in this game was coaching and preparation. Utah was prepared for BYU's defensive line pressure and blitz packages. Did you notice all the quick hitters that were called to negate an aggressive pass rush. And, instead of leaving an undersized back to pick up the blitz, Utah just floated him to the flat to provide a safety outlet when Travis was feeling the heat. On the other side, Utah flat out said they would be all in to stop the run. Other than Taysom's one long run, they accomplished that. With receivers dropping passes and Taysom's accuracy problems, BYU's passing offense became longer routes downfield where Taysom could just throw it to an area and hope his taller receivers could make plays (Hoffman is a stud by the way). But the longer patterns took more time to develop, enabling Utah to pressure Taysom or sack him. A bye week to come up with that passing scheme was not impressive. Coming off a heartbreaking OT loss to OSU and coming up with an effective game plan on both sides of the ball was very impressive. Just an observation.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    Jeez, I've been remembering some of the posts by Y "fans" after we lost against Oregon ST. last week. I remember them saying how bad we were losing to a team that lost to Eastern Washington. Well, as I see it, if we are that bad, what are you? You just lost to a team, that lost to a team, that lost to EW. So you are below what you were laughing at and mocking. That has to hurt. It just has to.

  • cdmon COTTONWOOD, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    Last night I was convinced that Tim Tebow had converted to Mormonism and throwing right-handed while shedding some muscle/weight. Taysom Hill wasn't even close on many of his throws, while others were off just-enough to result in incompletions. When Tebow was a pro his receivers would shake their heads in disbelief as pass after pass sailed high or wide, and BYU receivers had the same reaction last night. The last pass of the game said it all - BYU doesn't have a chance if this guy is throwing it.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    WA Alum&dad- Actually, there were a few calls against Oregon St. that bit us pretty hard. But, we didn't execute the plays necessary to win. Bad calls go both ways. If you do what you need to do, and execute your game plan, you'll have enough on the board to override the bad calls. If not, then when you get a bad call, it bites harder. I know they will come, we just have to have more points on the board so they don't matter. Just like last night. We had calls go against us too, but we executed better than the Y to that point, so it didn't hurt us as bad.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    Blame the refs again? Please BYU fans, find something else on your playbook of blaming.
    It's to the point now where you over speculate and invent reasons to blame the refs.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    after 4 wins in a row you really have to start the conversation that the U program is simply better than the Y program. Better athletes - better coaches - better top to bottom. From the 70's through perhaps 2005 the Y program was simply better top to bottom than the U. Urban Myer changed all that and Whitingham has continued to build on that dominance. The U is a PAC12 program and has won two BCS bowl games - these are heights that the Y has never seen and probably never will. I am certain that it is more important for the U to defeat the Oregon States, Arizona and Arizona States etc.. than defeat the Y anymore but the in state tradition still means something although not as much as it used to. BYU isn't a bad program - just not a good program and certainly not a major college football presence anymore. There was a time when the Y had loads of NFL players drafted ...but no more. The U gets more into the NFL than the Y and for good reason - the program is simply better. Now for U - add about 10000 seats to your stadium.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    "Good luck going 7-8 Utes"

    I would rather cheer for a team that plays a Pac 12 schedule, take lumps, keep fighting and improve than to cheer for a team that lives in the past, play 2 tough games a season and then lives off a weak WAC schedule and thump their chest over how inflatedly good they are after it.

    Utah will continue to get better recruits while BYU will live in the 30 year old past like Uncle Rico.

  • roberto Moses Lake, WA
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    one thing for sure, Utes have the trash talk gold medal. But then I don't remember what it is like to be able to gloat.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    Great win by the Utes. Hope Williams recovers soon. Not having him down the stretch was big. Lesson of the night, No matter how talented you are, don't play quarterback at BYU. Once again, the offensive line could not protect the quarterback (5 sacks) on their home field. Once again, Anae was unable to make the in game adjustments to keep his team moving. Once again, BYU fans are blaming a quarterback who was not given an opportunity to win by his coaches.

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    Kudos to Cougar fans that AREN'T blaming the loss on refs. After seeing the video of the fans in the stands throwing trash at the refs I think it's time for some fans to grow up, including the guy who sent the video to the Utah athletics department.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    Props to the Utes. No excuses. BYU had a lot of penalties, but more chances than they did penalties. 0 points in the first half. Are you kidding? They are the better team and have dominated the last decade. Even when you take away the Crowton years, the Utes have still 6-3 advantage. I think the Utah coaches have always had a better game plan too. Coug fans have to eat this one for 3 years.

    Better luck in 2016.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    The one and only Honest and True analysis:

    The ONLY thing this game showed is that both teams are mediocre D1 teams.

    And statistically speaking (other than pass completion percentage) they are very very similar.

    If BYU is so bad and Utah is so supposedly superior then Utah has NOTHING to crow about by barely beating them in a low scoring game, and will in all likelihood be still sitting home for the holidays.

    If not for so many mistakes BYU easily could have walked away with win.

    And what has happened to BYU's passing game? They haven't had a confident passing game since the mid '90s. If not for having a few excellent offensive players in mid 2000s every one should have noticed by now.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    @ poyman re: I don't personally like anything about utah (the school, the players, the coaches and especially the personality of the fan base),

    I don't know your religion but if you are a member of the LDS church, your comments certainly don't reflect the basic Mormon doctrine. I suggest you take a minute and look at Matthew 5:44 before your next post.

  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    I understand refs making mistakes, and they did make some last night hurting both teams, but I still can't for the life of me figure out the overturned pass interference call. It's one thing to miss a call during live action, but a replay? Despite showing indisputable visual evidence that the ball was NOT tipped, the replay official ruled that there was indisputable visual evidence that it was. It all seems eerily familiar to the BYU/SDSU debacle of a few years ago.

  • Its Common Knowledge Houston, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    BYU put a good game together. Unfortunately it wasn't enough for a focused Utah team. The reality of the situation however, is that Utah doesn't have enough focus to rise above 5th in the PAC12

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    Jazzsmack, so what you're saying is that if BYU played a perfect game, and Utah still made all of the mistakes that they made, BYU would have won? Wow! Expert analysis if I've ever seen it, and not at all biased.

  • Its Common Knowledge Houston, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    RE Thriller "Despite showing indisputable visual evidence that the ball was NOT tipped, the replay official ruled that there was indisputable visual evidence that it was."

    It's funny that the win against BYU wasn't enough for Ute fans. They still want to make excuses that the margin wasn't bigger. The replay I saw showed indisputable evidence that the ball WAS tipped... watch it again without the red blinders, you'll see what the rest of the world (and the refs) saw.

    Enjoy your win!

  • Out of State Utah fan Alpharetta, GA
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Great game UTES! Watching on East coast time is a killer. Well worth it. Can anyone find a college football coach less passionless about the game than Bronco? That just ticks me off and I am a Utah fan. Can only imagine how Cougar fans feel about it. BYU football would be sooner discontinued than Bronco getting fired. He certainly warrants it. My condolences all around. This might be worse than the Crowton era.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:55 p.m.

    Uteology:

    This is an observation after watching several other games. No sour grapes here.

    If I'm right, Utah is in trouble. I don't think the conference would allow them to surpass the west coast teams. Observe the refs closely, because their corrupt play calling is well disguised, and not easily detected.

    IMO! Wisconsin, Utah State, and BYU would have been winners.--And yes, PAC teams will get some penalties. Going all to one team is too obvious.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    worf,

    Is it just the PAC12, or are you going to use the same excuse when you play Wisconsin? ND?
    You're going to lose at least one game to either USU, BS or Nevada.
    What if you happen to lose to Middle Tennessee or Idaho State?

    Maybe byu should hire the officials from UHSAA Region 8 to ref their games. Geez.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    One team came prepared to play. The other team had two weeks to prepare, but didn't.

    I don't know how BYU's coaches do it, but they manage to prepare the team to play like geniuses one week (against Texas), then completely clueless and inept the other two (against Virginia and Utah).

    BYU does not execute at a higher level.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    BYU fan, you act like you are too good for the Pac 12 but you know deep down in your heart it aches due to not being part of a real BCS conference. You feel like you belong and this whole Independence thing is unfulfilling as hard as you try to love it. You know it bothers you to no end and more salt in the wound that your rival, no better, not only made it into a big boy BCS conference but beat you 4 years in a row including a 54-10 beat down that abused 2 of your quarterbacks.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    worf's philosophy of football (and life); "It's all a conspiracy."

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:14 p.m.

    Cincinnatus
    Kearns, UT
    worf's philosophy of football (and life); "It's all a conspiracy."

    ______

    LOL! And Alex Jones & Jessie Ventura must be BYU fans!!!
    The game was was a setup and conspiracy! LOL!

  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    Common knowledge (ironic),you're insecurity is showing and it isn't pretty. I'm not making excuses for anything, I'm just trying to understand how the replay official could've made such a colossal error the likes of which I haven't seen since the SDSU game a few years ago which, if you'll recall, caused quite a bit of backlash.

    I'm watching the replay right now, in slow motion, and there is absolutely no deflection until downfield after the pass interference had been committed. There is at least a foot of air between the ball and the D lineman's hand at all points.

    And who exactly is the "rest of the world?" You? BYU fans? Because the ESPN announcers said "Wow! Where was that?" in response to the ruling after spending the entire replay talking about how it was "not tipped at the line of scrimmage" and the call would surely be upheld. Try watching it without the welder's mask on; you're glasses aren't even blue tinted, they're opaque.

  • Ralphy Salt Lake city, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:28 p.m.

    I was a cougar fan. It is too painful to have them loose to Utah the past several years. I don't need the pain so I took them off my schedule for the rest of the season -- it's just not worth watching bad football like I saw in that game.

  • Horrible Stumper Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:33 p.m.

    Unfortunately, but seriously, BYU is looking at a 4and 8 record this year, maybe 5 and 7. I do not understand their arrogance. Utes got into a new conference, were admittedly over their heads for a season or two, but now seem to be stepping it up. BYU is living in the past. Bronco is a great guy, but can he lead a program to relevance.....don't think so. Cougs are going to slide into the same slot as Idaho and New Mexico State if they don't turn the wreck around. BYU is not Notre Dame, their not even Boise State, their administration needs to wake up and realize their once vaunted football team is sinking fast.

  • TFUDD SLC, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    @worf

    I agree that pass interference no call against KVN was terrible.

  • Tom in MS Madison, MS
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    #Its Common Knowledge - I guess my HD is out of whack, because the ball left the qb's hand with the same trajectory and wobble that it had when the BYU player touched it, which was CLEARLY AFTER the interference and downfield. It helps when you look at something more than a 19" screen. The Ute fans aren't complaining, merely making a statement of fact. Calls and non-calls went both ways, and it is ludicrous to think that the refs won this game for the Utes, as many comments suggest.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    After watching this game I felt that both teams need to improve especially offense, but still a win is always good, so good job utes. I just wished that my red RSL team should have won the blue team.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    Another tough loss, Utah just seems to have BYUs number right now and for some reason BYU seems to play so uptight when they play Utah. BYUs defense once again did their job but the offense sputtered and failed to finish drives. Key stat in the game...BYU 5 trips inside the blue zone and only 13 points to show for it.I hope BYU bounces back and I would absolutely welcome another shot at Utah in a bowl game since utah has decided they don't want to schedule BYU for the next two years.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    Thanks Duckhunter. I hope the rivalry is back in 2016 better than ever!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    Middle of the Road
    Home Town USA, UT
    Go ahead Utes and gloat yourselves til your next loss like the one with Oregon. One can't help but to wonder about BYUs loss and the "set up" of the YouTube piece and Spencer Hadley's partying with the Red Team.

    What a coincidence? Yeah right.

    _______

    One can't help but wonder about some BYU fans obsession with conspiracies.

    That's a fact.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    I can see that Independence has really enhanced the level of excuses the fans of BYU can come up with.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    @Jazzsmack

    And statistically speaking (other than pass completion percentage) they are very very similar.

    If BYU is so bad and Utah is so supposedly superior then Utah has NOTHING to crow about by barely beating them in a low scoring game, and will in all likelihood be still sitting home for the holidays.

    If not for so many mistakes BYU easily could have walked away with win.

    ----------

    Statistically speaking:

    * Utah's offense is ranked in the top 20 overall.

    * BYU's offense has a top 20 rushing offense thanks to the outlier game against Texas. Overall BYU has one of the worst offenses in the nation.

    If not for so many mistakes, Utah easily could have walked away with a 20+ point win. Remember BYU's only TD came because of a penalty on Rowe.

    Seriously though, BYU's defense was pretty good. The reason the game remained close was because of BYU's defense.

  • softbear Olympia, WA
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    Always a Y fan, but Utah was the better team last night. As BYU fans we should make no excuses, they just beat us, again!!! Hopefully we can pick ourselves up and win out the rest of the season. One win or loss does not make a season. Yes, I wanted to beat the U but they just out played us, so move forward an finish strong. The U will end up where they belong at the end of the season, hopefully for them it will be good. But our concern is us finishing where we need to at least get a better bowl. There are some strong teams that can help us with wins in our columns.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:20 a.m.

    @Dave S
    "Nice win on the road Ute"

    Yeah right. That was a home game for Utah complete with their home town refs.

  • MaxxFordham OREM, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:30 a.m.

    Hahaha! Good thing I jumped fan ships from the Y to the U just in time to enjoy this win!

    (You know, they say "fake it 'til ya make it," folks. Fake it 'til ya make it! :-S ...)

    Mike A. Christensen

  • MaxxFordham OREM, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:32 a.m.

    Oh, and by the way, I wore clothes for both universities (strong red U T-shirt, dark-blue Y hat, strong-medium-blue outer shirt, unbuttoned) around a lot of people that day just in case of an outcome like this (and as a joke, too)!

    Mike

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Sept. 23, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    The refs aren't the cause for BYU's loss. It was the Ute D stuffing the run, forcing Hill to complete his passes to receivers with slippery hands. I can only think of one play where a BYU running back gained more than 5 yards on a carry and only a couple big scrambles by Hill, but no big chunks of yardage from the read option. I don't care how many times you rerun the punt that was "muffed", you will never see the ball touch the return man. Your team got beat because the other team was better. Deal with it.

  • texascougars Austin, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    unacceptable! I don't care if BYU wins all of their remaining games. All I ask is that they win one and they haven't done in 4 straight years. Someone's head needs to roll. Taysom is a Riley Nelson clone. Riley Nelson was the worst thing to happen to the BYU program and has/is setting the program back years. Taysom is a poorman's Tebow. Why can't BYU start and develop a quarterback they recruit and sign out of high school? Bronco made a huge mistake bringing Anae back and might have to pay for it himself. Enough is enough. Where is the local media to hold the coaching staff's feet to the fire. Did any of them hear the Texas post game interviews on the Texas side? That's what BYU needs, some serious pressure and stop with the "just another game" speak. I can't believe BYU football is what it is right now. It's a joke! Not good when tying to make a national brand. We expect our student athletes to act toward perfection (Hadley), what about our football team (0-4)? Where's the accountability there?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    @TrueBlue87

    Nope, the better team won. I noticed that BYU begged and cried for the officials to help them the entire game. Utah did get some breaks, but the calls were legit. Good teams make breaks and take advantage of them. BYU lost, to a better team, with better athletes, plain and simple. Man Up and admit it!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    worf: "Wisconsin, Utah State, BYU, had more penalties playing PAC 12 teams than against non-PAC 12 teams combined.
    Utah State had a bunch of fifteen yard penalties with Utah, and USC,--than compare to Air Force, & Weber."

    Yes, let's compare, shall we? Vs. Utah: 7-94 (NOT PAC-12 officials); vs. Air Force: 8-70 (not quite the picture you painted); vs. Weber: 2-24 (game was over before it began); vs. SC: 11-89.

    "Wisconsin, and BYU also had more penalties than combined non- PAC 12 teams played. They both had the same refs."

    BYU: vs. UVa: 7-43; vs. Texas: 8-68; vs. Utah: 7-55 (hmmm...)
    Wisconsin: vs. UMass: 5-45 (game was over before it began); vs. Tennessee Tech: 5-31 (game was over before it began); vs. ASU: 6-76; vs. Purdue: 1-10 (far inferior team).

    If you want to believe your PAC-12 conspiracy, I'm fine with that. But the information you try to back it up with is entirely false.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    @bigcougie

    If not for the refs Utah win's the game going away by 3-4 touchdowns. The PI that was reversed after replay which shouldn't have been forced Utah to punt instead of driving down the field. The unsportsmanlike penalty on Rowe gave cougies first down instead of 4th and 13. They could have thrown flags on similiar things 50 different times during this game on both teams. The one they do throw is on Rowe when he made stop that would have pretty much ended the game at that point. On this same drive Alisa's TD he was down at the 1 however they ruled it a TD who knows what happens if they have to run another play. Then right when we get the ball after this Poole breaks a big run KVN wins an oscar for the flop job he does because he was beat and the refs give him the holding call.

    Stop making excuses as you seen calls were bad for Utah but they overcome them and win! Utah don't make excuses we just win 4 in a row, 9 of 12 be glad your cougies get 2 years off!

  • altahoops Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute

    The Utes deserved to win the game. Congratulations. But you're kidding, right? I saw way more closeups of Whittingham whining to the refs than the BYU sideline. Whit about stroked out on one of them. Chased the ref all the way down the field. I guess that escaped your view with those rose colored glasses on.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    @BCSWINS

    I couldn't agree with you more. I'm not surprised by all the blaming of the refs once again this year by the kitty cat fans. The truth is they all know they will once again be irrelevant in the state of Utah but this time for two more years.

  • Beaver Native Garland, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, I get tired of excuses and calling for firings/resignations every time BYU has a loss. The Utes outplayed the Y plain and simple.

    If we rush into firing someone after every loss, no one will want to come to BYU to coach. I still think it was a mistake to bring Anae back, but it's also a mistake to fire him so quickly. BYU has had slow starts before and has come back to develop winning seasons. Give Anae some time and see if he can make the necessary adjustments. As for those calling for firing Mendenhall, I am thankful that we have a head coach who will uphold the University's standards.

    After the Texas game, a BYU commentator said that maybe we don't need passing ability, with Hill's ability to make big run plays. It was an overly-simplistic and foolish comment. Living mostly by the run is great, but the effective pass still needs to be an option. Hill is not a great passer, but there also have been a lot of timing issues catchable passes dropped. The whole offense needs to step up to improve the passing game.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    @ AltaHoops

    Nope, called it just as it was. Did I mention how the BYU reciever pulled the defender down on the last play, then got up pleading for a call? Give me a break, BYU lost, Utah won fair and square. Better team, better athletes, better coaching. Deal with it, and take off your blue glasses in the mean time. Also, Coach Whittingham coaches with passion, while Bronco coaches like a statue. Just the way it is. That humble pie must taste awfully bitter to actually blame the officials.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    With an unbiased opinion on the game. I am not a fan of either but was pulling for BYU. So my takes on the game.

    Hill couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. His passing was horrible, nothing but overthrown and under thrown balls.

    I know a run game has to be established in a football game, but when there is 8 guys in the box, why not utilize a tight end at least. BYU has always used thier TE's very well, they do not seem to be involved much in this offensive scheme of Anae, who I think it terrible to begin with and I have not clue why he is even back.

    I am not a fan of Erickson, but his plan of attack was top notch in this game and the kids did a pretty good job of executing it.

    I thought Utah got away with a couple of penalties that should have been called, a couple of unsportsman like penalties, however, I don't think it would have matter because BYU, Hill, and Anae couldn't get it in the endzone.

    But this week matters! GO BRUINS!

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Utes desereve the victory. BYU dead last in the NATION in passing efficiency is embarassing. BYU as a running team is rediculous. LaVell had it right. It's not rocket science. We throw the ball, we win. Simple as that. Kyle and the Utes proved they are the better program right now.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Utah St--Utah
    Wisconsin--Arizona St
    BYU--Utah
    Utah St.--USC

    All close games decided by seven points or less.

    All winners = PAC 12 teams

    Hmm?

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Hey Worf..My conclusion would be that USU would be competitive in the Pac 12! Hmmmm?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Here is my issue with the officiating in the game. In the first half utah got called for an illegal substitution penalty because they were trying to substitute on defense and BYU snapped the ball before the utah players got off the field. whittingham had a complete meltdown over it, chased the refs down the field and was screaming about it like a 5 year old. The players were indisputably on the field so it was a correct call.

    But from that point on the ref's stood over the ball and would not allow BYU to snap it until utah made all of their defensive substitutions, this while the play clock is actually running and BYU in position at the line.

    Why if the offense is in position to snap the ball, and THE PLAY CLOCK IS RUNNING, were the ref's keeping them from doing so? Part of the hurry up offense philosophy is to keep the defense from being able to substitute and wear them out yet the ref's were purposely allowing utah to substitute and holding up the game, while the play clock is still running.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    @ duckhunter

    Tell us again who's whining like a 5 year old?

    LOL!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    People blaming the refs for the byU loss need to calm down a touch. Yes, the refs were letting the plays go too long, that is why Murphy had to leave the game. Murphy was injured on a play that went too long and the defender rolled with his ankle. Also, there were a lot - a LOT - of holding that was never called, many were on big byU plays. In addition, the refs let byU into the game on two calls, or should I say one horrible reversal and one valid (though ticky-tack) taunting call. The pass interference reversal was absolutely the wrong call and horrible officiating. Dres was clearly mugged before anybody touched the ball. At worst it should have been defensive holding. That gave the ball back to byU when they shouldn't have got it back. The taunting call, though a correct call, was ticky-tack and could have been ignored IF the officials truly wanted to make sure Utah won the game. They called it and gave byU the ball back where they scored their only TD to come within 7 points.

    byU lost straight up.

    Go Utes!!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Love the angst from the Duckhunter and the rest of the BYU "fans". There is always a reason for the losses other than the obvious one - YOUR TEAM isn't good enough to win.

    Period.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I don't understand all the rules regarding substitutions and there were some rule changes by the NCAA that my fellow fans have had to educate me about this season as I've attended the games so I don't have an answer to your question. I do agree that the officiating was lacking and everyone at my house for the game recognized it as well. When the TV anouncers mentioned we had the same officiating crew from the Wisconsin - ASU game we all groaned and wished they had been suspended as part of their punishment for that mess. I have not been impressed with the Pac 12 officiating this season in any of the games and I hope the conference is working on the problem.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "Why if the offense is in position to snap the ball, and THE PLAY CLOCK IS RUNNING, were the ref's keeping them from doing so?"

    The new NCAA rules regarding the hurry up offense requires the refs to allow the defense to substitute IF the offense makes substitutions. If the offense does not make substitutions, then they don't have to allow time for the defensive substitution. That was my understanding of the rules before the season even started. No conspiracy here. The same thing happened to Utah during the OSU game - offense was ready, but were required to wait for defensive substitutions. Just part of the game.

    I had no problem with the illegal substitution call, but Whitt had every right to contest it if he thought it was a wrong call - just like EVERY coach I have ever witnessed from Pop Warner to the NFL does. Yes, including EVERY byU head coach. That you characterized his actions to those of a 5 year old is interesting since ALL coaches do the exact same thing.

    I have to give you one thing, I'm glad we don't have to face KVN again! Monster dude!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    WACPaddlingOurSchedule:

    "One can't help but to wonder about BYUs loss and ... Spencer Hadley's partying"

    Please move on. Spencer is at fault there and nobody else. Nobody knows who turned him in, their school association, or the reason for turning him in. Spencer's replacement was more than capable to replace him being that he had the most tackles on the defense and had twice as many tackles for loss as KVN and Sorensen combined.

    Utah won - straight up.

    Go Utes! On to UCLA. Good luck with MTS

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Jazzsmack:

    "The one and only Honest and True analysis"

    Interesting take which differs GREATLY from Athlon Sports, which gave Wilson their offensive player of the week - for the nation.

    Go Utes!

    Onward and Upward!!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Duckhunter, Whit was upset because it was a bad call. BYU substituted a player and the refs allowed them to line up and snap it before Utah got their subs made. The rule change was made last year or the year before I believe that if the offense subs a player, the officials must allow the defense to make a substitution as well, and it's a good rule, considering defensive coordinators have to know the offense's package before they can make a play call. It's unfortunate that a coach has to remind the officials on the rules, but it was absolutely deserving, and was apparently effective considering they got it right for the rest of the game. Whine about the rule if you want, but know that it was officiated by the book after that first mistake.

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    I think that decision to not go for it on 4th down later in the game will be a bad dream for someone. Utah scored anyway after we gave it up. But without the passing, every team will now seal the lanes and make running a nightmare. They've all seen what we did to Texas and no one is going to allow that. Short passes seemed to be working on a series or two. Why not stay with it? And where are the wrinkles, like draws and options and spreading the offense and end arounds and some unexpected stuff. Hill doesn't seem to pass on the run very well. Go fast, Go hard? Doesn't seem to make a difference. Maybe it's wearing us down more than the defense - no surprises for the defense here. And it limits our play variety. We've got talent, good athletes, but it doesn't seem to be used well so far. Need better scoring plays in zones.
    Yeah, I know, I'm not a coach. Just venting I guess. Losing to Utah is always a season's biggest downer.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    @Mormon Ute and VegasUte

    Thanks for the replies, I didn't know that the rule was if the offense substituted it allows the defense to do the same so I'm not sure if that is how it was enforced because I wasn't looking for it specifically. Vegasute you probably couldn't see it on tv but whittingham did have a complete meltdown over it, far more than he needed to have and yes I agree all coaches do it, it was just a funny thing to witness over a 5 yard penalty.

    @nobrainatall and 54iq

    I wasn't whining about anything, just asking a question which a couple of the more intelligent Utah fans around here actually tried to answer. Yes I do have some angst over the outcome, just like you would in reverse, but I haven't whined about it at all. Nice try but fail.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    duck,

    It's real simple, if the offense substitutes than the defense is allowed to sub. That's why the ref stood over the ball. Nice ynee try though. lol.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    RBB:

    "The worst part about football is the fan who aways thinks they know better than the coach with a winning record. I watched the game at a local restaurant with an obnoxious U fan who had to let us all know how stupid he thought Whittingham was"

    Must be the same guy that sits two rows behind me in the NEZ.

    Go Utes!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    @stg

    If that is what happened, and if that is the rule, then so be it, I have no problem with it. I don't recall whining about that "rule" if it is in fact a rule, I just asked the question. And yes whittingham had a complete meltdown over it, far more than a 5 yard penalty generally warrants. Perhaps he was trying to make a point and if so then it worked. I'd have to rewatch the game, which I highly doubt I will, to see if the rule was enforced correctly on every play. But considering it was this exact same reffing crew that stood over the ball and ran the clock out on wisconisn the previous week questioning their ability to get it correct is hardly a stretch now is it? They appear to be fairly incompetent overall as a crew so them screwing things up shouldn't surprise anyone. Of course saying they are incompetent and screw ups is not the same thing as claiming they are the reason BYU lost now is it? I'm fairly sure I haven't done that, but I understand your desire to try to pretend I am.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    Great win, but this article is very slanted and inaccurate. Jeff Call has written it in a way that emphasizes calls made by the refs at key moments, but omits key information. For example, "a holding call negated" a score by BYU. Never mind that the call was correct.

    Later, Call mentions that "The officials, however, ruled that Norwood did not touch the ball and the Utes retained possession." He should mention that the officials CORRECTLY ruled that he did not touch the ball. Nothing was taken away from BYU. It was close, but Norwood simply did not touch the ball.

    On the other side, he fails to mention calls that led to BYU gains. He mentions that BYU scored late in the 4th quarter, but says nothing about the unsportsman-like conduct call. That was a good call I thought, but it absolutely kept BYU's drive alive. Take that away and they don't score that touchdown.

    So Call selectively mentions the refs to slant the reader's opinion of the officiating.

    Poor writing.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    Now the game is over, very disappointing for BYU fans and very good for Utah fans. Now it is two weeks to the game of the Bruins coming to town for Thursday night football. Gotta love it! Here it to UCLA heading home from Utah with win. However, despite a 59-13 win over New Mexico State, UCLA is going to have to clean up the turnovers to leave Utah with a win. But for now, I am liking our chances to do just that.

    GO BRUINS!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    I'll give you that. I wasn't at the game so I only saw what was televised. I don't know if it was a bad call or not, I remember thinking that it wasn't clearly a bad call, but I would have to go back and look again. When all is said and done, it really doesn't matter. There was clearly some bad and questionable officiating for and against both sides.

    If the call was a bad call, and Whitt got the refs to pay attention to what they were doing and make enforce the substitution rules correctly, then Whitt's actions were justified and were worth a lot more than that one five yard penalty.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    UtahBruin:

    "a 59-13 win over New Mexico State"

    Not saying much there.

    Go Utes!! Bring on UCLA!!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    @VegasUte

    Yeah, your right, a 59-13 win over New Mexico State is not all that impressive. It is about as impressive as a 70-7 win over Weber State. I bet New Mexico State might come close to putting up 70 as well on Weber State. It is probably about as impressive as 51-48 Loss to Oregon State, or maybe even a 20-13 win over BYU, or at least as many Ute fans say. None of those games said much either. But I do know that my Bruins 41-21 comeback win over Nebraska IN Lincoln was impressive.

    You say Bring on UCLA, don't worry they are coming. Here is to a good game. And hopefully friendly banter for the next two weeks.

    GO BRUINS!

  • altahoops Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute,

    Oh, I get it. So it's "passion" when Whittingham whines to the refs half the game, but it's begging and crying when the cougs ask for a call? Like I said, major rose colored glasses. And for the record, I said the Utes deserved the win. They outplayed the Cougars no question. No blame from me toward the referees.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    altahoops
    Provo, UT

    Need a tissue?

  • How gr8 isthat Washington, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    Can you imagine the chaos that would transpire if all these arm chair quarterbacks, hindsight 20/20 play calling, rules interpreting, name calling individuals actually took part in the game? Wow. Love to read all this stuff. I agree with the person about the way the article was written. Conspiracy, possibly because it has all of us writing on this thread. Best of luck to both schools. Middle TN and UCLA teddy bears, look the heck out cause our Utah schools are going to dominate.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    @54-10

    I think so.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    "* The alum in the replay booth overturning the pass interference penalty on BYU to a "tip ball". ESPN announcers were in "shock and awe" on that call."

    Really?

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    Utah won, BYU lost, enough said. We in Utah will just have to realize when it come to sports, we just don't have the horsepower of states like California, NY, Florida, Texas, etc.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 24, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    @sammyG

    How does it feel to lose yet once again, then have to use the officials as a scape goat? I guess now it's time to jump on the other PAC 12 teams band wagon and hope they can do what your team can't; beat Utah. I love it!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    Vegas Ute,

    Thanks for the rule clarification. As I said, I knew there were rule changes, but I wasn't sure what they all were. Of course you would hope that refs would have studied up on the changes and be prepared, since they are being paid to do this. It seems to me there has been a lot of confusion on the rules in every game this year resulting in a lot of delays while the refs figure out what the proper calls should be, but it has gotten better with each game.

    Duckhunter,

    I'm sure Coach Witt knew this was the same officiating crew from the ASU - Wisconsin game so he wanted to make sure they clearly understood the new rule and enforced it properly. As I look back to the Utah State and OSU games I remember watching and wondering why the refs were holding up play. I think I understand now. And you are right, the TV crew didn't show Witt's meltdown so we weren't really aware of it.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    I'm willing to give any BYU fans who were at the stadium a break on what they thought was a fumbled punt return. On TV it even looked that way until they showed the close up, slow motion replay. On the replay it was completely obvious that the Ute player didn't touch the ball. I'm sure the BYU players thought he touched it as well and from their position it had to look that way. I just encourage you all to go find ESPN's video of it and watch the slow motion, close up replay. It is pretty clear he didn't touch the ball.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    Duckhunter, apparently the mods like to not pass comments on and also not send an email saying they won't, so I'll try again. Yeah, I know Whit can look pretty funny when he gets upset about officiating errors. In the time I spent around the team, I learned a few of those quirks about him, like how he clings to timeouts when he can like he can carry them with him to the afterlife. I never said you blamed the loss on officiating, I think you are one of the fans that is smarter than that.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    Duckhunter (contd.)

    But regarding the officials, yes, I believe most of that particular crew is pretty incompetent. Not crooked, just incompetent. They were very indecisive in the Badgers game, and they made no attempt to take control of emotions in the game this weekend. Assessing one penalty for extracurricular activity in the first quarter wouldn't have had a direct impact on the game, and would have nipped it in the bud early so that BYU's coaches wouldn't have had to bench Brayden Kearsley late in the game for trying to use Jason Whittingham as a blocking sled, before finally making a stand on Eric Rowe mildly mocking a plea for an undeserved flag (I wouldn't disagree with unsportsmanlike conduct in the situation if it wasn't so inconsistent with how the rest of the game had been called, and that it had the chance to make a direct impact on the outcome).

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 24, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    UtahBruin:

    "You say Bring on UCLA, don't worry they are coming. Here is to a good game. And hopefully friendly banter for the next two weeks."

    Friendly banter is fun, and that should be what it's all about.

    Good luck on the third, and let's hope for a good clean game!!

    Go Utes!!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    VegasUte
    Las Vegas, NV
    WACPaddlingOurSchedule:

    "One can't help but to wonder about BYUs loss and ... Spencer Hadley's partying"

    Please move on. Spencer is at fault there and nobody else. Nobody knows who turned him in, their school association, or the reason for turning him in. Spencer's replacement was more than capable to replace him being that he had the most tackles on the defense and had twice as many tackles for loss as KVN and Sorensen combined.

    Utah won - straight up.

    Go Utes! On to UCLA. Good luck with MTS

    ______

    I think you meant to quote the person I was quoting?

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    Congrats on the fourth straight win, Utah.

    Chris B, I still think you should tone down the vitriol but, you were right. Now let's see if you can get to the 8 wins you predicted...I'm sure you'll keep us posted :)

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    "trueblue87

    Provo, UT

    While I agree that the Cougars didn't play a spectacular 4 quarters, I think you have to chalk this one up for the Pac-12 refs. The fumbled punt return that wasn't and the blatant no calls when Utah players continuously went after BYU players after the play was blown dead, often-times ending with the refs having to separate 2 or more players. I move that we do away with conference officials and bring them all under the NCAA umbrella."

    While I agree that all officials should be under the NCAA umbrella and not tied to any particular conferences, Utah and not the Pac 12 refs won this game. The score was only as close as it was because of an unsportsmanlike conduct call that kept alive a BYU drive that resulted in a touchdown alive late in the 4th. It was the right call but, let's be real here, BYU's QB is not getting the job done and there is no single or even collection of calls that could have gone the other way and changed the outcome of this game.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    hockiechick

    Santa Monica, CA

    Only 18 completions in 48 passes? Here's an idea: Why doesn't BYU hire a real head coach; someone who can recruit a quarterback with talent.

    ----

    The problem may very well be that BYU has been going after only "talent" rated highly by the recruiting services. Heaps and Hill come to mind has having five and four stars next to their names while Johnny Manziel had three. The "right talent" might be a better statement.

    Regarding Mendenhall, good luck. He's done a pretty good job despite a restrictive honor code. I highly doubt you will find someone who does a better job while keeping the First Presidency of the Mormon Church happy even if this turns out to be a tough season.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @WON84

    Nicely done, and spot on!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 26, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    "Spokane Ute

    Spokane, WA

    @WON84

    Nicely done, and spot on!"

    I am definitely no fan of Pac 12 refs though I honestly think they're just poor referees across the board (that's no commentary on teams in the league).

    I remember an unsportsmanlike conduct call against Jake Locker at Washington that helped set up a long PAT that BYU blocked and subsequently won the game. If their job was truly to protect league teams, that wouldn't have happened. On the same count, Washington's offensive line blatantly held on several of Locker's scrambles that setup what looked like the tying score. There was no call. They just aren't very good.

    And regarding BYU and the Pac 12, the Pac 12 doesn't want to work around Sunday play. That's all it is, it's not BYU not having a medical school or being enough of a research university. Both Stanford and Cal have scheduled football series with BYU so I'm pretty sure it's not the school being LDS affiliated either.

    Hopefully people on both sides can relax and enjoy the game now.

    See you in a couple of years.