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Utah congressmen vote to defund Obamacare

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  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    Was this before or after voting to strip funding from food stamps? How much can the GOP abuse the working poor before they realize its the reason they continue to lose elections?

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    I would ask, is there still a "middle class," and is the middle class Pres. Obama wants to save, is that a class he has redefined as a "totally dependent upon government for everything class?" Politics as usual, with a split Congress, only continues to allow Socialists to wreck havoc on us all.

  • Zaruski SLC, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    "Defunding and repealing Obamacare, they said, is the first step in fixing the health care system in ways that enhance personal freedom and reduce the role of government."

    Yes. Let's fix it by going back to the way it was before. When you had the "personal freedom" to get sick and go bankrupt and the role of government was to sit by and watch your life be ruined, if you didn't die in the process. What a joke.

    Good heavens, Chaffetz is such a stooge.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    I'm all for helping those who can't afford health care insurance, but this isn't what ObamaCare was all about. It's about power and control under the guise of 'care' and 'concern' and 'affordability'. It's hard to believe that so many people are naive to what is going on in Washington. Perhaps they aren't naive at all. Those are the ones that are most dangerous. Stupidity can sometimes be educated out of it, but not so for someone that wants control. Quite odd that even in 'Zion' we have those who don't believe in the scripture that says "We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion." That means if you voted for almost every one of our politicians now in office, you voted for corruption and those who have immediately exercised unrighteous dominion. "Mirror, mirror on the wall...." Naive or not, you have no excuses.

  • downunder south jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    What a waste of government money these representatives are! Can we vote to impeach them please!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    Good ol Matheson. He supported the bill before he voted against the bill. But only because he was trying to do the right thing. In his own words he didn't want all of the extra things added. Yet no problem with the additions and the pork when the democrats had control of the house and senate. Which gave birth to the ugly child obummercare.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    "...only continues to allow Socialists to wreck havoc on us all." There is only one socialist in the congress - Senator Bernie Sanders. So, what exactly are you talking about?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Defunding it doesn't stop Obamacare from being law, it does stop the subsidies from going to the poor, middle class, and businesses to help pay for health insurance. So yeah, if you want to sabotage the bill by making people unnecessarily suffer you could defund it as a strategy for that... seems rather disgusting though. Just vote for repeal of Obamacare or actually come up with a viable alternative and vote for that. Or maybe, just maybe... you could actually vote on bills to alter provisions in Obamacare to make the system work better (like how Democrats who opposed Bush's Medicare Part D expansion ended up working on measures to improve it afterwards).

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    Glad our Utah Congressmen are not the dispositive deciders.Utah has remained radical right for far too long.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    Chaffetz should become a kicking coach for a local junior high team.

  • lightdee Highland, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    This is the "line in the sand" people! Americans are trying to buy affordable health insurance - that is something which we simply cannot allow!

  • brownderby Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Schwa ---
    get serious. This does not do away with Food Stamps, but is only to eliminate the 10% which is still only a part of unneeded or fraudulent usage. Under Obama, the program has doubled and has vastly increased the dependent society

  • New Yorker Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    Cutting the funding for the poor would be acceptable from Congress under three conditions:

    Permanently set congressional salaries and 110% or 120% of the US Median Income.

    And

    Change the law so that the government funded retirement program for Congressmen is Social Security only.

    And

    Change the law so that the government funded health insurance for serving and retired Congressmen is Medicare only.

    The people we are sending to Washington on multi-million dollar campaigns just have no concept about what real life is like. They fiddle while Rome burns and say, "Let them eat cake."

  • DaveRL OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    It just shows how out of touch they are and how much they pander to the insurance industry....disgusting.

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    I wish I lived in Chaffetz district so I could vote against him. As a life long Republican, I would gladly vote for a Green Party, a Democrat, a dead body in a coffin, if they were running against him.

    I am embarrassed that he is from Utah.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Did all our esteemed leaders give up their tax payer funded health care?..............did not think so!

  • DeseretDebbie Corona, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    You cannot claim to be a Christian and vote against food stamps or healthcare for the poor. You can smooze it anyway you want but God knows.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    If it's a choice between Obamacare and shutdown, I choose shutdown. The Republicans in the House have the votes to stand up to Obama's socialist dream. They should do so.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    A car loan will not raise my debt--from the mind of a liberal

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    It's not only disgusting, it's just plain STUPID.

  • Shabba san mateo, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    This is really the last stand for econommic freedom in this country. It doesn't look good. If they cave then it's over.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    Before something can be defended, doesn't it first have to be funded?

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:37 p.m.

    ObamaCare is a rope around America's neck. Rather than fix the problems with our current healthcare system, it simply extended a broken system to more people.

    Let's see, if you have something that costs too much, is it reasonable to try and fix it by jacking up costs further???!

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    This can and should be reality, not simply a statement as the writer begins the article. Three cheers for those who voted to,defund this monstrosity of a law. The majority (70%) want to cancel obamacare; most of those who support it have no idea of what is in it and the disastrous effects. Hatch says he opposes obamacare. Now is his chance to prove it by voting to defund it.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    It appears the the liberals have convince a lot of people that they are incapable of planning for their needs, or save to meet emergencies. And, that all government money is "free!" and should be used to provide free health care, free phones, free cars, free housing, free food, and whatever else potential voters might like so the politicians will win reelection.

    Obamcare is already throwing hundreds of thousands of worker off their previously provided health care insurance; raising the costs for individuals and employers; limiting the range of insurance choices; forcing people to by something they may not want; driving doctors out of the profession; and forcing tens of thousands of workers (so far) to be cut to less than 30 hours work per week.

    "Old" Health care was not perfect, but no one was denied care, and most people could afford insurance. Now the number of uninsured is rising, along with the costs for those who buy insurance- that is a major failing, not a success story, now that we can "see what is in it."

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    America's promise was a guarantee that everyone had a right to pursue happiness, based on the protection of God-given freedom of choice. The left continues to try and take away those individual freedoms by guaranteeing more elements of a minimum standard of living (food, housing, utilities, and now healthcare).

    One by one, the rights to our own time and property are being stripped from us by an ever increasingly heavy handed government. What's the answer? Taking care of the poor should be a VOLUNTARY charitable act, not forced through taxation and redistribution. Under the charity model, both giver and receiver can win. Under forced redistribution, both giver and receiver are worse off: The giver loses the benefit that results from the joy of giving and helping others. And the receiver gains a sense of entitlement rather than a sense of gratitude.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:58 p.m.

    Interesting TRUTH. Personal attacks on the First Lady because you don't like the ACA.

    These kinds ad hominem attacks are the reason we can't take your rants seriously.

    The ACA isn't great legislation, but there are many parts of it that are good and that are needed. Remember, the original idea to make everyone buy insurance came from a conservative think tank, was supported by many Republicans (including our own Bob Bennett), was in whole or part written by lobbyists of major corporations, and was actually implemented in Massachusetts by Gov. Romney. Keep the good, fix the bad. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    I didn't realize that all the major players were "exempt" from the ACA. That's because they aren't. Example: One of the misrepresentations being thrown about on these boards is that Congress is exempt. Wrong. They are still required to have health insurance. But they already have health insurance through the government, therefore, they aren't forced into searching for it through exchanges.

    Try arguing the points rather than making personal attacks, if that's possible. It would make you appear more intelligent in your posts.

  • Onion Daze Payson, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    Here is little paraphrasing of a popular saying here in Payson.

    The Republic Party is the t-r-u-e political party in spite of some of the members.

  • RCosta Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    70 percent of the people do not want the train wreck called Obamacare. Junk it and start over.

    Cutting food stamps by 5 percent is a joke. At least five times that amount are scammers. A nanny state of unlimited spending to keep people dependent on the government is not in America's best interests.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    "Utah congressmen vote to defund Obamacare"

    In other news, the water in the Great Salt Lake is found to be salty.

    Everybody knows that American healthcare is a hugely over expensive swamp, created over decades, but made much worse by greed in the past 30 years.
    However, people who are in good financial situations, like many lds members, may not have taken the time to see that the lower income groups are poorly covered, and that taxpayer expenditures to help them have nearly bankrupted many cities and States, besides the Federal impact.

    carman
    Wasatch Front, UT
    "Old" Health care was not perfect, but no one was denied care, and most people could afford insurance. Now the number of uninsured is rising, along with the costs for those who buy insurance- that is a major failing, not a success story, now that we can "see what is in it."

    Sorry -- you have swallowed the lies. Not a bit of what you wrote is completely true, once we allow that the "not denied" healthcare to inner city poor people was expensive emergency room and ambulance care at your expense.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    Those who claim that you can't be Christian and be against food stamps need to pause. The Democratic dream is not about giving people food stamps; it is a cover up for keeping them dependent and poor. Go ahead, Democratic and Republican supporters, continue to abuse your neighbor, take care of yourself, and then point the finger at those who haven't delegated their individual charity to government. It is you that have dehumanized the poor, given them food stamps, and turned your head. Who are the hypocrites? Those who actually help their neighbor believe in themselves without government dependency, or those who want to have others pay the taxes for food stamps,keep them dependent and poor, and then run off to an exotic vacation and patronizingly throw a few tax scraps to the government, all the while, of course, getting offended at those who want charity returned to its rightful place, in the hearts and pockets of individuals.

  • Mr. Plate Lindon, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    You cannot be a Christian and encourage to poor to live perpetually on the dole. You can smooze it anyway you want but God knows.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    It's pathetic that a whole lot of people posting here have been hooked by the GOP propaganda machine and are being reeled into the boat.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    If house members are against government involved health care, I challenge them to lead by example.

    Defund Congressional health care first.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Three cheers for Chavetz and all who sided with the majority of citizens who fear and dislike Obamacare! So will you print this comment because I didn't challenge Sen. Hatch to defund it?

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:32 p.m.

    The Republican Party under the control of usurpers (The RINO Tea Party) is committing suicide in choosing this path. The amateurish Tea Party is not fit to govern and thankfully this will be a final nail in their coffin. It is good to get this over with and perhaps return to more seasoned and skilled politicians that refrain from practicing a scorched earth policy on themselves.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:54 p.m.

    Jason is listening to the people of Utah. Jason knows he can't claim he is against Obamacare if he votes to fund it. Once the law is funded it is set in stone for ever and Jason will be blamed - rightly so - by the people of Utah for voting to fund it. The GOP has voted to FUND EVERY SINGLE part of the budget except Obamacare. That means the military is funded - medicare is funded - food stamps are funded and so on. It will be Barack "the demagog" that shuts the government down not the GOP. Congress controls the purse strings from a rouge president who steps out side the bounds of his power - this is stated in the constitution. Obama has already illegally exempted his political buddies from having to swallow this ugly law including BIG business and member of congress so Barack IS outside the law. Congress has the duty to reel him in.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:55 p.m.

    Why are the Obamas exempt from the health care plan?

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 12:29 a.m.

    "Fifty-seven percent of Americans disapprove of the idea of cutting off government funding to stop the ACA from being implemented, according to a new poll by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Of those who disapprove of defunding, 69 percent said using the budget process to stop a law is not the way government should work."

    To tell the truth is not merely to state facts, but to leave a true impression. Please stop saying "70 percent don't like obamacare" without admitting "Half of those think it's too conservative and want a single-payer system."

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 3:48 a.m.

    Defund Congressional health care first. If the people can live without it, so can they.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    What a deceptive headline. Do your reporters just regurgitate what they are told by the Congressional press shills? This was not about keeping the government open. It was the GOP having a hissy fit over a law that passed the Congress, upheld by the Supreme Court, and ratified by the people. The GOP doesn't like the Constitutional system we have, and yet they offer nothing as an alternative to deal with the health insurance mess. Nothing, no ideas, no leadership, no proposals to Romney's program. Government by tantrum and blackmail. Even sane Republicans think the House is misguided. Why would anyone ever vote for a political party that behaves this way? It is shameful. And as for Matheson, he should complete his new party registration and stop pretending. He did not vote to keep the government open. Talk about duplicitous.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    I for one will be voting to defund Congressman Matheson. He and our other Representatives have offered no viable alternatives to the Affordable Care Act!. They fail to recognize that our existing American Healthcare system is breaking the back of the United States. Meanwhile, ordinary (99%) citizens may have little or no healthcare. This is shameful and unacceptable!. Let our republican congressman (and faux-democrat) step up to the plate with some ideas to solve our healthcare mess in America. Their defund Obamacare strategy will backfire at the end of the day anyway and that will do nothing more than alienate independent voters.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    I'm embarrassed to be a Utah Republican. Our congressional team knows full well this action will not pass the Senate. It is a foolish, political, attempt to look like a strong conservative while wasting time and taxpayer dollars. Defund food for poor people, block health insurance for poor people, and claim to represent everyone. Does our congressional team ask the Tea Party how they should vote and then get in line? It is embarrassing for me as a lifelong Utah Republican to be associated with this horrible behavior.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    @Owen. All the information they receive are broken quotes and half truths, radio entertainers said it so it's true.

    I saw where another poster took it one step further with 70% of Americans HATE the ACA.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    re:Owen

    You obviously have no idea what Mike Lee is proposing do you. Mike has voted to APPROVE the entire Obama budget - medicare, military, food stamps, federal workers and services etc... EVERYTHING!!! So Mike has voted to fund the government and keep it going. It is your demagogue socialist president that will be the one that shuts the government down. Mike will NOT fund Obamacare and Mike is in line with the majority of Americans who HATE Obamacare. Americans - even BIG unions - want Obamacare delayed and re-done because the ugly pig that rolls out Oct 1 is unworkable and will cost jobs and force others into part time work as well as raising their premiums and forcing them into the state exchanges and out of their current insurance plans which is another Obama lie. My wife has already received her letter from Alpine School District telling her that her hours will be cut to 27.5 due to Obamacare. This is a FACT. Open you eyes guy and take a look around at what this job killing bill is already doing...MSNBC won't give you the truth ...just some advise.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Patriot(?)... The Senate (Lee) hasn't voted yet. Calm down and read my comment again. Most (nonFox) Americans do not hate Obamacare. About 65 percent would prefer something else: 30%, "do nothing-free market", 35% "universal health care." One thing is certain: 6 in 10 Americans of all stripes think Lee's approach is wrong.

    I'm sorry about your school district's decision to not pass its health care costs on to taxpayers as they do every other cost. But let me introduce you to my young adult son who will now be able to have a potentially life-saving operation on my insurance. The do-nothing (free-market) alternative would be that he shows up at the emergency room on death's door with a much higher price tag and you pay for it.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    Why are the Obamas exempt from the health care plan?

    Don't be disingenuous. Presidents and their families (currently sitting) are given healthcare through military hospitals and doctors, such as at Bethesda, as part of their compensation package. That means he's currently covered, which fulfills the requirement of having insurance.

    Former presidents and their families have several options as part of their post-presidential compensation packages. They can pay interagency rates at military hospitals, they can purchase Federal Employee Healthcare, or they can choose to pay for their own.

    Nowhere is Obama (or Congress) exempt from having health insurance. That is just part of the misinformation campaign.

  • klangton Akiachak, AK
    Sept. 21, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    I was raised republican and voted most of my life for republicans. Mitt Romney signed into law for his state of Massachusetts what has come to be called Obamacare. It was inspired by the think tank Heritage Center, a very conservative institution. If it not perfect, as it surely is not, why is there not any effort to fix it? We have 30,000,000 people without insurance. When they go to emergency rooms they are served, for obvious reasons. WE ALL PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES. This is one of the reasons we have health insurance costs that dwarf similar costs for the rest of the world; of the costs per capita of several countries below us put together. The statistical evidence of the health of our nation's people verifies our system, for all its costs is not working as well as is should or could for the majority of us. So Obamacare is not perfect? Then Congress, fix it or offer alternatives, instead of the transparent political games you are playing. Face this real national need and dozens of others being unmet. Congress, you are the problem.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    GOP staffers in DC are protected under the Affordable Care Act, meaning, they don't have to go out and be apart of the exchange process, because if they had to, many would leave their jobs; and GOP is silent on this. If they are really against the law, drop it for yourselves and staff. My congressman (pro life) voted to keep Teri Shiavo alive forever on life support and who knows what the cost would have been for that.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    Impeachable acts that have damaged our government.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    Quick question: how many LDS have put their missionary children on their insurance since it's been permitted for them to do so? Or added any of their children under the age of 26 who were eligible? Hands up!!! Thank you...That was brought to you by the ACA also known as Obamacare.

  • BBobb GARLAND, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 6:16 a.m.

    "You cannot claim to be a Christian and vote against food stamps or healthcare for the poor."

    You had better do just that when the government is involved. This has little to do with taking care of the poor and is all about power and greed, and giving up your personal liberty in the name of taking care of the poor. Until this date, no government program has enslaved more people than Food Stamps. Obamacare will without a doubt change that.

    Where did anyone get the idea that taking resources from one person to give them to someone else is charitable?

    We are $17 Trillion in debt. Where are we going to get the money to pay for even more entitlements? Right now, our debt is so big that we are barely able to service the interest. And who do you think they will take the money from to do it?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    The worse abuse for the American people have been the healthcare law (Obama care) which was passed without it being known what was in it. A president should not sign off on a law that isn't known how it will become implemented. It's like writing a blank check for a jewel thief. It is bullying the people.

    It's time to stand up to this type of tyranical government. Good for politicians who won't be bullied by the President.

  • BBobb GARLAND, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    @ Cincinnatus, Romneycare was implemented by Romney. It is 7 pages long and puts the onus on the individual to pay his own medical bills, and rewards him for getting health insurance. It is run on a state level.

    Obamacare is almost 3,000 pages long, is not sustainable, gives the government power over you and your choices, and regulates insurance and healthcare providers to the point to where they will eventually be forced out of business. This will eventually leave one health care provider. The United States Government. Are you really willing to compromise your freedom so that the government can force someone else to pay your medical bills?

  • Sophie 62 spring city, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    It's okay for people to call this "Obummercare" but you cannot allow me to call them political Neanderthals. Be consistent, you people who edit and turn down comments. Calling them political neanderthals is pretty mild compared to them insulting the President.
    I regularly see these kinds of name-calling of Obama on the Des news comment columns.