Ute fan here,Hate to see a player get suspended, hate to see kids
make costly mistakes. Hopefully he learns and grows from this experience.This is a huge blow to BYU's D, as he was the perfect compliment to
KVN, allowing the later to make big plays.
You have to be joking me
Bad timing; I wonder what the heck he did? Grow a beard, drink a Pepsi or french
kiss a coed? The possibilities are endless.
What the heck!Right before the big game?It's de ja vu all over
Spokane,I heard it was a Mountain Dew, not a Pepsi.His
career is OVER!
Sooooooooooooo frustrating. What a let down. At least we've got some
experienced talent behind him. Should still be a stout front. And
Chris B, 3 comments in 2 minutes?? Get a job and a life.
Difficult news for Spencer.Wishing him success in dealing with
whatever problem he's having.------------Trust
christy to display her true character, or lack thereof, once again.
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Chris B.Are you a Utah player who spends their time trolling the BYU
articles in a BYU oriented paper?I thought you said "we're just
better than you."If I am mistaken, and you aren't on the
team, why do try to speak yourself onto the roster?I will never be
convinced that Utah has taken the "big brother" role until the Utah
followers move on from BYU-centric everything. What are your thoughts, bro?
You're real class Chris B. I'm sure the Ute faithful are really proud
of you. Fortunately BYU has a lot of depth there. We'll be ok.
Very disappointing news!
Let's not tease the kid. Remember these are just college kids, but they
should be held responsible for breaking the rules. Unfortunate that he made a
One player isn't the team. BYU's defense is stout. They will pick up
the pieces and still play one heckuva game. Chris, tone it down,
this is a young man's life that is impacted here. Have a little civility.
As for Hadley, get it straight and do what you need to do. God
Hope Hadley sets things right and gets back on the field ASAP. The Cougars need
him.Thanks Chris B. for keeping it classy. Ouch! Bit the tongue in
my cheek. (3 of first 7 posts)So which is it...the game is easier
for the U with Hadley out...or don't use it as an excuse? You
seem a bit confused.And as always, GO COUGARS!
@CougfaninTexasAll kidding aside, I totally agree. It's a
bummer. He's really let the team and the program down. I'm really
curious as to what happened? It must have been something fairly severe....at
least I would think so. Unfortunate.
Utah fan here. I hope no one is taking Chris B and his ridiculous comments
seriously. I've been going to Utah games my whole life and I don't
know any other fans like him. He does not represent us.I know Hadley
well. He is a great guy and not someone you want to see anything bad happen to.
There is nothing good about this news. Here's one Ute wishing him a speedy
return and a continued successful career.
Spokane Ute, I don't think it necessarily is something severe, although it
may be. I don't mean this as a dig at Utah, but the truth is that
Bronco's punishments are more severe than just about any other schools for
a similar infraction. If you remember, Blechen wasn't suspended until
he'd had multiple failed drug tests. I'm fairly certain Bronco would
hand out a suspension immediately upon a first failed drug test. Illegal drugs
are just as illegal in Salt Lake as they are in Provo. I really don't mean
this as starting a war of words, its just the truth that the two programs handle
things very differently. Rarely do we hear of a program handing out less severe
punishments than byu. It may be serious and maybe its really a big
time honor code violation. I just remember O-Neill Chambers getting suspended
for things that other schools would brush off like they were nothing. I too am
curiuos to hear, hopefully he can return at some point.
Sorry to hear this, but please note it was "team rules" that he
violated, not University rules. But, as a Senior, he should have known better. I
hope he is able to work through it and play later in the season.
Nice to see that integrity means something at BYU. Hard to hear as this is,
I'm glad that rule violations will be punished no matter when they occur.
BYU is deep at that position and though this loss will make it a
little tricky, I'm confident in a BYU win on Saturday night. I'm sure
to see more disgruntled ute fans "hungover" from the loss in church on
I thought BYU players liked the honor code?
I'm a huge Ute fan and I hate to see this happen right before a big game.
Unfortunate situation for the TDS. I honestly believe Chris B is not a Ute
fan, just a great BYU troll. It's all a persona. Like Miley Cyrus. :)
Guess his career will be winless against Utah. Bummer for him. Hope the team
plays with some fire Sat night so the rest of the seniors will have bragging
rights for the next two years.
"Violation of team rules" is all we need to know. I sincerely hope no
other details are leaked. We the public don't need to hear anything thing
else. So far Bronco has handled this exactly how it should be handled. Perhaps
BYU has learned from past mistakes....Hopefully the media will
respect Spencer's privacy and let the story end here until he gets
Another example of byu and their honor code parading around the mistakes of
their players? And I can't imagine why non-Mormon players don't want
to go there.
Hate to hear that kind of news. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes and
make changes in his life.Wishing the best for the kid.Chris B - from a REAL Utah fan - give it a rest!
Apologies for Chris B, seems he has nothing better to do than post on BYU
boards. Too bad that Hadley will be out because you always want to see the teams
best out there but that being said, this doesn't make it easier for the
Utes because this is a good defense they will be facing and has a lot of back up
talent in the linebacker position. I hope for a good one. But go Utes!!
Idablu-please don't lump Utah fans with Chris B. He is a disgrace to all
Utah and BYU fans alike. Ignore it. Sorry it, no disrespect intended.
Big loss for BYU but not the end of the world. As a Utah fan, I want to beat BYU
at their best but in the end wish this young man luck and hope he can return to
the field in short order.As for Chris B, I'm pretty sure he is not
even a Utah fan but in his defense his shtick has worked for years.
nosaerfoecioveht, thanks for your sincere and worthwhile comment. I am a BYU
fan, and I appreciate your words. I personally know a number of Ute fans who
are classy, intelligent and just good people. I hear it from them when Utah
wins, and they hear it from me when the Cougars win. It works for both sides.
As you mentioned, you don't know any other fans like Chris B. I am happy
to hear that. Because for him, this is obviously more than a game. I have
never known another person to troll about every single article written about the
team he obviously hates. That's the puzzling part. Because he is usually
the very first person to post regarding BYU. I personally think he is a closet
BYU fan. But will you guys please keep him, because simply put, we just
don't want him. Good luck to your Utes on Saturday. As for me, I will be
cheering loudly and proudly for BYU. Here's to a great game. May the best
Thanks to the Ute fans who can still be classy during rivalry week. You guys are
Hope Hadley recovers from this, no matter what led to the suspension. And kudos
to BYU and Mendenhall for doing the hard yet correct thing.@ChrisB,
you're a very mean person. Get over yourself and try being nice.
@idabluNo, at least this Ute fan doesn't. Really not much I can do
except ignore him/her, however.As far as Hadley goes, that is tough
- both for the young man and the team. Best of luck to him.
Well, after reading the article on KVN I've learned to keep judgment to the
judges and realize there are paths out of these troubles so work hard Spencer
and we'll be here when you get it straightened out.Gooooooooooo
Chris B. et al takes a deep sigh of relief never realizing that BYU is deep at
LB position,and Spencer's backup will be enough to stop the Ute run
game. Run game?Keep Wilson running, and slow down Marion Jones Jr,
and BYU will trash the utes.I'm not sure what he did but it is
probably something that can earn a player a sticker to put on his helments at
the U)Spencer will be missed, but the defense has this game covered.
Sorry to hear this news. Hope things work out for him.True Ute fans
do not claim Chris B just like true BYU fans don't claim Duckhunter.Go Utes!
Lifelong Ute wrote:"Another example of byu and their honor code
parading around the mistakes of their players? And I can't imagine why
non-Mormon players don't want to go there."As if we've
never had a U player suspended for violating team rules! From an AP article
last year:"Utah officials say defensive playmaker Brian Blechen
has been suspended three games for violating undisclosed team rules. Coach Kyle
Whittingham announced the suspension on Monday but says Blechen will be allowed
to practice with the team."Was that not "parading the
mistakes of their players"? All teams have rules and when players are
suspended it is announced in the press. Let's try for some objectivity!
The only thing more depressing than losing Hadley is the fact that so many on
here still give Chris B the time of day. Is it so hard to grasp that he thrives
on stirring the pot? And every message you post that is directed at him just
feeds the beast. Since the D-News doesn't have a "twit filter" on
their message boards, show a little restraint, and when you see a message from
Chris B, skip over to the next one. You're bound to find more substantive
and relevant thought. Just sayin....
Chris B and Spokane Ute are classy. They might even be the same person the way
they grind it in. Shame on both of you. Way to pile on a young man that made a
mistake. Tell you what, next time a ute player is suspended I will not hold my
thought like I have in the past.
Appreciate the real Utah fans putting Chris B's comments where they belong,
in the little trash can.But I am surprised Chrissy hasn't
unveiled the obvious....."Bronco did this on purpose so he has
an excuse for losing to the Utes"Come on Chris use your
@ Ted HTotally understand and Thanks for the information and
response. BYU does hold high standards and there is certainly nothing wrong with
that. "Indefinately" seems like it could be a good or bad thing too.
Could be one game, could be the whole season. A bad deal either way. Take Care
Ted!@ Vegas UteAmen!I do have to wonder
though, what kind of trouble could a young man from little old Connell
Washington possibly get into?.................I kid; but I do wonder what the
heck he did.
Wow! Alot of class from Ute fans.Mahalo Nui!
Now we only win by 16 instead of 23.
I find it interesting how Chris B can come these articles and spew anything he
wants while other are silenced. Des News needs to review their policies.
As usual, thumbs down to Chris B for the police blotter/suspension smack.
It's only a matter of time before a Utah player (as well as players from
every other university) gets suspended or arrested for doing something off the
field. These are just college kids, and if there's one thing college kids
have always done and always will do, it's make mistakes.
@Gone FishinNice try, but no; not even close. Very offended that
you, or anyone for that matter, would think that. Are you the same person as
Down Under? I sense a resemblence. "Grind it in"? Now I've seen it
all on Bonanza!
SO good to see the real U fans show the class we know you have. No need to
mention those that dont.
Sorry to hear but, really none of our business what he did or didn't do
Life goes on. Rules are made to be followed by all and enforced even when it
hurts. It will still be a great game one of the best played in the NCAA. Two
classy coaches. Two classy teams. Go BYU!
I was excited to watch Spencer take on a running Travis Wilson. Spencer was a
big hitter and didn't back down from anybody. Hopefully he returns soon.
Chris B - As another Ute fan I want to ask you start showing some class. Your
comments and posts are not necessary. If we are the better team we will show it
on the field against their best players. This is a blow to both teams playing
in Saturdays game. Please stop acting your age and try to be more mature.
SL Trib reports that Hadley is suspended until Boise State. Great news that he
can finish his Senior year out strong.
Thank goodness LB is a deep position!
Hey, buddy. Just remember, it's all about ME, ME, ME, ME,ME, ME.
@Gone fishin - so, you think Chris B and Spokane Ute lack class, and Chris B has
been pretty universally panned by fans of both teams... yet on the next Ute
suspension, you aspire to be like them? This helps you, or BYU fans, exactly
If byu loses it won't be because of Hadley or defense
I am glad that that their are Ute fans that realize that when this happens, it
is not about the rivalry it is about the player involved who made a mistake and
needs all the support he can get. Those fans are the ones who I respect on the
comment boards. It is too bad that Hadley will miss the game, but their is a
consequence for a violation of team rules or University rules. Hope he realizes
his mistake and learns from it. Football is more than about winning a game. It
is about instilling the values of discipline and hard work that I hope can give
them a positive effect that they can take with them throughout their life.
I guess I just don't see the harm in Chris's comments. I think
they're quite funny actually and fall in the category of banter and trash
talking. He's quite effective at it. Haven't seen anything I'd
call ugly or mean-spirited and it's par for the course among fans of other
rivalries.Now, just find comment sections of articles involving fans
of foreign soccer clubs or the national team vs. others. THAT can get vicious
and abusive. Commenters' ancestry and moms tend to be pulled into the
"discussion".Anyway, back on topic, shame that this happened
to Hadley. Was hoping for an exciting game with both teams at full strength, no
injuries, just leaving it all on the field. Let the best team win--the team
that wants it the most, the team that shows up. No dirty playing, although
chippiness is fine.
A lot of super classy Ute fans on this thread. I'm totally willing to
ignore Chris B since we have a few "Chris Bs" ourselves. I hope Hadley
is patient during this time and takes it well.Best of luck to both
teams (but hopefully Cougars win)
I wonder how come it was 5 games, and not 4 or 6?? I don't know
Spencer Hadley, except he is a very intense player and an obvious asset to the
team. I wish him well and the guts to follow through and eventually come back
with the football team. In the overall grand scheme, suspension may be the best
thing. The next few week will be an eternity in his life. Good luck Spencer.
Gone fishin "I find it interesting how Chris B can come these articles and
spew anything he wants while other are silenced. Des News needs to review their
policies."Have you tried the "Report abuse" button?
What I hoped wouldn't happen has already happened as this story has already
evolved and the content of the article has changed: "The university has
determined that there was a violation of the honor code,..."Why
couldn't they just leave it with "violation of team rules?"
Seriously, why does the public have to know it was an honor code violation? They
don't announce honor code violations for non-athletes! I thought this was a
big mistake on BYU's part in the Davies situation and here they go, making
the same stupid announcement again. All we need to know is that he is being
suspended for violation of team rules! We don't need to know more! All
this does is magnify geometrically the unwanted attention this kid will get.
I love my alma mater but I am SO disappointed and embarrassed that
BYU, especially the Honor Code Office would do something like this,...AGAIN.
@idabluIt is because BYU is not ashamed of their honor code. They have
made VERY clear what it is, and every single student/athlete that comes into BYU
knows EXACTLY what the honor code is. They're showing their support for the
honor code by showing how they enforce the honor code. It shows the students
that they can receive similar punishment because if it was just a "team
rule" then it wouldn't apply to the students. The honor code applies
everywhere though, and it must be enforced the same whether it is on an athlete,
or a student. If a student violated the honor code, they would say it was an
honor code violation, not a "student's history class's rule
violation" or whatever.
You know. I'm a Utah fan and have never really cared much for Bronco. But I
have to be honest. I give Bronco props and he earns some respect from me for
enforcing what he and his university believe. Whether any of us agree with the
honor code or not, some people do. That's their right. Sometimes integrity
and class rightfully take precedence. Good job Bronco. I hope my Utes win. I
hope it is a good game.
idablu: "'Violation of team rules' is all we need to know."I agree 100%. It was unfortunate when Blechen's alleged reason for
suspension was leaked, just as this one would be unfortunate, if indeed a school
honor code violation is all that occurred. When players land themselves in
trouble with the law, it is understandable that the information becomes public.
For personal issues, there should be no reason for publicizing, no matter how
entitled fans, boosters, etc. think they are to that knowledge.
This issue is between the young man, the school and Bronco.Move on
folks, nothing to see here.
This is a huge blow for BYU and for Hadley. With all the attention KVN and the
defense have and will get this year, Hadley had a legitimate shot at the NFL
draft. No longer. I hope he can work things out and come back strong for the
end of the season. Go Cougs!
Disappointing for sure and bad timing but hopefully Hadley gets through this and
back on the field for the Boise State game. The good thing is that BYU is deep
at LBer and they have guys who are capable of filling in until Hadley gets back
@Wiscougarfan:"Hadley had a legitimate shot at the NFL draft. No
longer."I disagree. Hadley has NFL talent and I bet all NFL
teams understand that BYU has an extremely strict Honor Code that other schools
just don't have. Hopefully the details will be kept secret so the press
won't hurt him any further. Leaks to the press with details surrounding
the Brian Blechen suspension will certainly hurt his NFL chances.Tough break for Spencer and the Cougars.
Ute here. I feel bad for the kid. The honor code genuinely sucks when things
become public. I'm not sure what kind of behavior justifies a 5-game
suspension. Should still be a great game though.
@wingnut". If a (non-athlete) student violated the honor code, they
would say it was an honor code violation, not a "student's history
class's rule violation" or whatever."No. The reality is
they would make no public statement at all for a non athlete student. But if
you're an athlete it's gotta be like The Scarlet Letter. Part of the
team rules is to obey the Honor Code. You breech the Honor Code, you breech team
rules. Nothing more needs to be said. There is no need for the Honor Code office
to come out and add to the embarrassment. Yes we all understand the Honor code
and know it is part of what makes BYU unique. But can't they issue
disciplinary action out of the Honor Code office without publicly smacking him
over the head with it. By doing this publicly, BYU has chosen to make this about
BYU, at the expense of Spencer Hadley.
I've known Spencer for a few years now and he is a great kid and an
emotional leader on the team. Very sad for him and this is definitely a blow to
the team. I really hope he comes back after the 5 game suspension and finishes
off a great senior year. He'll be replaced in the starting
lineup by Tyler Beck and I've known Tyler his entire life. Again a great
kid who almost didn't come to BYU because Nebraska recruited him hard and
if it weren't for his LDS connection, he probably would have gone there.
Unfortunately, Tyler tore his ACL just after returning from his mission and has
never had the opportunity since then to show what he can do. He's almost
identical in size to Spencer and is probably a little more athletic. As a
freshman, he was being compared to Bryan Kehl so now he'll finally get to
show us what he's got and I'm sure he'll make the most of this
opportunity.Best of luck to both of these great young men!
As disappointing as this is me and others who are BYU fans, I am sure that it is
far more hurtful for Hadley... I really feel for him and I hope that he deals
with it well... I am sure that it seems tough now but in future years he will
look back on this experience and be grateful that he played for a program that
puts the individual ahead of football.We have had alot of great
people who have had to deal with discipline (athletes and non-athletes) and the
real medal of the individual is how they dealt with it and whether or not they
were able to put it behind them and come back... Guys like Harvey Unga, KVN,
Brandon Davies, etc. will always be my heros and my kids heroes and their kids
heroes... We will need Spencer Hadley come October and November for
games that will be far tougher and more important than the one he will miss
Saturday...We're with you Spencer and we look forward to your
return... I fully expext that other players that you have helped develop will
substitute for you well.Go Cougs...
@ Chris B that's what you all said when OSU was beaten by Eastern, that it
was just easier and what happened? That's what I thought. For Bronco to
do that means that its not all about football. There is more important things
in life to do than just football.
Gossip is a sin. take it easy on the man folks and let him who without sin cast
the first stone, indeed if there be a sin, let the gossip cease.
@IdabluThe reason that BYU Honor Code Gurus got involved was because
they changed the suspension from "indefinite" to "5 games"...
Seems to me that that merrits their involvment...
For whatever reason, Hadley doesn't seem to be thinking about his team and
his commitment to them and BYU fans. I am really upset by this. It's so
untimely, so questionable, and a sad loss of a great player who could make a
difference in our biggest game. But hopefully other good players will step up
and fill in and keep our defense strong. It feels like when Brandon Davies did
his thing when we were about to rise to new heights as a basketball team in the
NCAA playoffs. What are the possibilities for his replacement and how good are
those other guys? What does Bronco say about them? Let's talk about them
I remember as a young Priesthood holder that a Bishop would on occasion announce
from the pulpit the name of a ward member who had been subject to Church
discipline. The outcome -- disfellowship, excommunication -- was also announced.
The Church long ago abandoned that draconian, punitive approach in favor of a
policy of confidentiality that is more loving and considerate. BYU
needs to follow the example of its sponsoring institution. Bronco's
original announcement of a violation of team rules was sufficient. The honor
code office should deal with potential violators directly and them remain silent
on the matter. The only reason any comment needed to be made at all was to
explain this young man's absence for the field. Leave that to the coach or
"Spokane UteSpokane, WA@CougfaninTexasAll kidding aside, I totally agree. It's a bummer. He's really let
the team and the program down. I'm really curious as to what happened? It
must have been something fairly severe....at least I would think so.
Unfortunate."I honestly doubt it was all that severe. The moral
issues and substance often result in a season so to me it seems he got into a
physical altercation or swore at someone. Nonetheless, he's a good player
and it's too bad to see him out for a game like this.
WON84It could have been a lot of things, some of which I tried to post and
have no earthly idea why the comment was denied? None of the items were illegal.
There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to what comments are denied or
allowed. IMHOWe will never know the incident(s) that led to this,
thanks for the response Guy! Unfortunate for all parties any way you slice it.
A star athlete is suspended "indefinitely" from the team and the
expectation is to not have inquiringg minds??? Or, for the University (who is
responsible for investigating and evaluating all honor code violations) to be
muzzled on their findings and subsequent determination of the Player's
status as a student is both naive and ridiculous... Any honor code
violation that results in discipline is a matter of public record... In this
case the University determined that an "indefinite suspension" was not
appropriate and that a 5 game suspension was more in-line with the infraction...
To quash that type of information on a star athlete prior to a rivalry game is
an unrealistic expectation at best... The matter was handled
correctly and I, for one, am relieved that we will have Spensor back for our
difficult games in October and November and our Bowl game in December...
Thank you, Deseret News, for taking all mean-spirited, ugly remarks from CB off
this and every other post in this newspaper. We should exhibit civility as
sports fans even though we are rivals. I appreciated the comments of those Ute
fans who did so.
Pa. ReaderHarrisburg, PA said:"I remember as a young
Priesthood holder that a Bishop would on occasion announce from the pulpit the
name of a ward member who had been subject to Church discipline. The outcome --
disfellowship, excommunication -- was also announced. The Church long ago
abandoned that draconian, punitive approach in favor of a policy of
confidentiality that is more loving and considerate. BYU needs to
follow the example of its sponsoring institution. Bronco's original
announcement of a violation of team rules was sufficient. The honor code office
should deal with potential violators directly and them remain silent on the
matter. The only reason any comment needed to be made at all was to explain this
young man's absence for the field. Leave that to the coach or AD."Unfortunately some church members are like news reporters. Both snoop
and dig dirt on people in the situations you mentioned.
It's too bad. Hopefully he gets his act together whatever that means.On the bright side, he wont' have to endure another beat down at
the hands of the bottom dwelling, Pac 12 team from SLC. Have to
laugh a little.
I gained a little more respect for many Ute fans out there today. Some get
pretty ugly but I am grateful to see the understanding of a few. As for Mr.
Hadley, I wish him well. I hope he does make it back. As many have said it is
disappointing to lose such a great player before a rivalry because you always
want to beat them at their best.I am a huge UCLA fan and I never
wish any ill will against usc, well maybe a little. But I do always hope to beat
them at their best. Haven't had a whole lot of success over the years, but
I always hope.I appreciate Bronco for staying true to his coaching
method and ultimately caring about these kids and helping them succeed. I am
confident Bronco sheds as many tears over this as Mr. Hadley does. Good luck to
both teams this weekend, I am a BRUIN fan pulling for BYU this weekend.GO BRUINS!!!
Thank goodness it wasn't a corner!Seriously though,
Hadley...get yourself right and get yourself back on the field. It's not
even so much Hadley's talent that will be missed as much as his leadership
and the way he rallied the troops. Do the work Spencer, no excuses...get back on
Guess that's what you get when you choose go to a school that penalizes a
consenting adult for having $ex, while the relevant schools have girls &
escorts a plenty on hand for the new recruits when they come to campus so they
know what they can expect.
The article says it was in fact an honor code violation. So I'm trying to
figure out what you could do that would force you to sit out 5 games, but still
be allowed to continue the semester?If it was cheating on a test, I
think you get kicked out for a semester, right? If it was a morality issue, it
would be two semesters.I think we can rule those out. Hmm...
vandalism? Pulling a stupid prank like everyone at BYU does? Don't
know.It's not our business to know, but 5 games hurts and we
will feel the impact of losing Hadley. He is an excellent player with amazing
quickness.I hope this doesn't affect the outcome of this
@Wiscougarfan"Hadley had a legitimate shot at the NFL draft. No
longer."I feel badly for Spencer but your statement is way off.
He's already proven most of what he could possibly prove as far as on the
field collegiate play. The next step for him will be showing well at the NFL
combine. No NFL team will even blink over Spencer's BYU honor
code violation, it's not like the guy's a criminal.
Also... we need the stache back. Come on Hadley, we need you!After
thinking about it, we can also rule out an off-the-field scuffle. When that
happened last, two BYU players were kicked off the team.Gosh darn
it! Why'd ya have to go shaving creaming the Utes statues again during
rivalvy week Spencer!Just kidding, but I don't think whatever
he did was severe.
The SolutionAs you said, since when is it anybody's business to
know, or even speculate about, what Spencer did? BYU has given as much
information as is needed to explain why Hadley won't be playing on
Saturday. The only other statement needed is to announce when he is eligible to
re: Spokane Ute (pg 1)What about Sharpie tatoos?
re: UtahBruin"I am a huge UCLA fan and I never wish any ill will
against usc,"Personally, I'm mixed about the trojans but
would not mind seeing Lane Kiffin go far far away.
to motorbike"...it's not like the guy's a
criminal."But did he even apply to the University of Florida?
@GK WillingtonLOL! I actually don't think that wishing Lane
Kiffin would go far afar away is actually classified as ill will. I think it
would actually better and benefit the university to see that guy leave. I hear
ya there.GO BRUINS!!!
I agree with most sentiments expressed here. If he did not commit any illegal
act then I defer to the Y's punishment. Hadley agreed to the Y's
conditions. I do feel sorry for Hadley. His playing status would probably not
have been affected at any other public university. That said, if the posting on
cougarboard is true then I will be most interested on the actions taken against
the university and the supporter. If the U was suspended for two years for
Coach Majerus providing cookies to the basketball team while watching team films
and for taking Van Horn to Bill and Nadas to inform him of his fathers death (at
Mrs. Van Horn's request) then what fate awaits the Y?
Surprised its only a five game suspension. If the rumors are true, most students
are kicked out of school for this. But it isn't a double standard cuz
he really seems repentant.
Ken, BYU players agree to and sign off on the honor code. Whether they like it
is a personal matter. Anybody can see that some players mess up - and it has
always been that way. Are you saying the honor code not a good thing? Maybe you
were saying that none of the players like it? Or, to be more cynical, maybe you
were implying that none of them like it and it is not worthwhile? Strange
As for comments that BYU should not be publicizing this because they don't
make public announcements when ordinary students are disciplined, think of this:
if Joe Blow, majoring in biology, is reported for, say, public intoxication, and
is therefore suspended from school for a couple of semesters, do the news media
really care. Is that going to get reported? Is Carri Jenkins asked for
statements about Joe Blow? Contrast that to when a very important
football star gets suspended. Everybody wants to know what happened. If you
fault the University for answering questions, then I would fault it for lying
and saying nothing happened. Any celebrity knows that the price of fame and
fortune is public scrutiny. I cannot think anybody regrets this more
than Spencer, and I am very happy he will get a chance to play against Boise
State and at least finish out his BYU career on the field.
Dear Ted H.Blechen wasn't suspended until he'd had multiple
failed drug tests. yes but I'm fairly certain Blechen did not sign a honor
code and Bronco would hand out a suspension immediately upon a first
failed drug test. because Bronco has to have there honor code held
up.also remember that every byu student sings the honor code !!! and
knows because thy represent Brigham young university thy are held to higher
wwookieGotta laugh at the whiny BYU haters who complain about BYU
students being "forced" to abide by the Honor Code, then accuse BYU of
"selectively enforcing" the Honor Code by not giving BYU athletes what
the whiners consider a stiff enough penalty for committing an infraction that
the whiners have only heard rumors about.Whittingham gives Blechen a
relative slap on the wrist for multiple failed drug tests, which by the way, are
grounds for getting kicked out of Utah, yet the whiners dismiss Blechen's
infractions as much ado about nothing.Hadley is suspended for five
games during the heart of BYU's schedule.Blechen is suspended for
three supposedly meaningless pre-conference games.Go figure.
Why do they announce an honor code violation? Why can't they just say
violation of team rules and leave it at that? Why does the public need to know
it is an "honor code" issue?
UteMiguelWhat's wrong with announcing it as an Honor Code
violation, if that's what it is?As long as the details are kept
confidential between the individual and Honor Code office, it really
doesn't matter. People are going to speculate regardless of what's
I hope recruits are watching. Whether your LDS or not, you have to ask yourself
if you really want to put yourself in this type of a situation. BYU has the
right to determine who will play for them. But as a recruit, am I willing to
risk the embarrassment, loss of scholarship and eligibility that could come from
an honor code violation?BYU wants to be different and more power to
them. Hadley knew what he was signing up for. But as a recruit, do you really
want to be treated this way if you make a mistake?
Guam_BombAn Honor Code with no enforcement is really nothing more
than a suggestion code.Don't kid yourself, though, every school
has rules that, if violated, could result in a player getting kicked out of
school. BYU's rules just happen to be unique and more strict than most and,
while some recruits may shy away from such restrictions, other recruits openly
embrace those restrictions.
BYU touts the Honor Code as something to be proud of but gets on the people who
report the offender? Makes perfect sense.