So the teacher didn't understand the policy about not discussing God in the
Depending on the parameters of the assignment, I see no reason god should have
been disallowed. I also see no reason to disallow any of the Roman, Greek, or
Pagan gods or goddesses, any of the Disney princesses, or, for that matter,
Ellen DeGeneres - although I am puzzled as to why the mother would single out
Ellen and suggest there is some reason she would be more or less acceptable than
any other individual real or imagined.
Well, duh. Michael Jackson was real!
It is getting harder and harder to convince government that they have no right
to limit free expression of religion. They have been indoctrinated for years
that religion is bad, so of course it would be natural to chastise the child
that looks up to God. This just cannot be tolerated in the Progressive model of
education. Like any right we now enjoy, if we don't exercise it
we lose it.
This article makes it sound like the teacher is some kind of boogey-man, but
odds are the teacher was trying to be safe. There are so many can and
can't do's in public schools, that you just about need a lawyer to
teach a classroom full of kids anymore. Part of the problem is that there is
such a diverse set of opinions among parents that it is easy to offend someone
over something. I think teachers just need to have a John Galt moment and
vanish for a while because they can't take the madness anymore, then see
I was about to come down hard on the teacher even though I support the
profession. However, after reading Kings Court, it seems to make sense.
Teachers live in a legal wasteland. I mean hand sanitizer is now a controlled
substance banned in some schools. I mean teachers don't know what to do
anymore because everything is illegal or an OSHA violation.
The scientist,As a scientist myself I wonder what motivates you to profess
there is no God. The idea of god is something that is impossible to disprove.
Just because you don't see him does not mean he does not exist. You would
also write off any evidences as emotion or lack of intelligence. The idea of
professing god is not real seems unscientific to me. You can say you do not
believe in god but can not claim to know that he does not exist.
@Kings Court and @Howard Beal I think just the opposite would be true. If
teachers were really concerned about illegality, then shouldn't the teacher
have thought that disallowing the student to write about God would be asking for
trouble? As a teacher myself, I am astonished that the teacher did that. Most
teachers know that most of what originates from the student is protected under
the 1st Amendment. The courts have ruled that there are some things that do not
such as certain dress codes that can be determined by the school district.
The government didn't limit the child's freedom of speech. A teacher
made an error in judgment, and the district corrected the problem. This just
looks like another attempt to show that our religious freedoms are being eroded.
For every teacher who makes an error like this, I am sure we could find a dozen
who would allow the student to write a book report about the Bible, Book of
Mormon, or Quran.
Did you guys happen to read to the bottom of the article where the school says
it was wrong of the teacher and the parties have all reconciled? If there was an
outstanding issue, I could see how this would be national news, but there is no
outstanding issue here.
Based on the historical bigotry, racism, and violence perpetrated in the name of
religion in that region of the country, I would say that the God they worship in
Tennessee would not be a proper "idol" to write about. Thanks for religion-bating though, DesNews.
If the little girl had just said, "I look up to Allah," there would have
been no problem.
@ThomasJeffersonLiberals are the foremost, number one champions of
free speech, free expression and open minded discussion. That is
unless they disagree with you.
ThomasJeffersonWell said and true to the reality of conditions in
this country not so easily seen by many who are fooled by political correctness,
secularism, and other matters of one-sided favoritism. When the
freedoms of one ideology (secularism) trump freedoms of another (religion), yet
both are supposed to have equal protection under the law, then the
implementation of the constitution has become subjective. Freedom is then
biased.People say, I don't see any discriminatory practice
against religion and believe those who claim such events are religious right nut
jobs. But, that's because their beliefs aren't being attacked
constantly. Their advocates are the aggressors in tearing down traditional
values in favor of secular principles and political correctness.The
hypocrisy in the implementation of these types of actions and policy sold as
fairness, equality, and balance shifts from being a mantra to a corrupt fight
for control and domination. Isn't that in fact exactly why
most people who brand themselves secularists, atheists, and advocates of
political correctness, take no offense or see no harm in their beliefs trumping
the opposition, just like religion has historically done?How are
other domineering ideologies in the world any different?
Interesting that the article was about writing about your "idol", but
that God was not allowed...
A nice ending to a conflict, if all was reported here. Understanding opened up,
and no one was gunned down. I am actually glad that it came out in the first
place, showing how the parent asked school authorities to show her the evidence,
and gave them the opportunity to respond. Isn't that the goal of
misunderstanding?Both of my parents were educators and teachers have
a tough time dealing with the obnoxious parent. As a superintendent and
principal, my Dad had to work with all kinds, from school boards to egotistical
administrators. We had to keep encouraging my Mom to retire from substitute
teaching up to age 78. Her phone would ring off the hook in St. George, seeking
her teaching gifts. Her secret was loving kids, listening to all sides, and
then sticking to her goal of educating.A funny aside shows how
impartial a teacher my Mom was. Not knowing that a 2nd grade Michael Jackson in
her class was famous, she pointed to a little Jackson Five singer belting out a
song on our TV. "Oh, that little guy needs tutoring. He daydreams all
Are kids allowed to take His name in vain? Yes. Teachers take his name in vain?
Yes. But, oh, spare us, don't ever use His name in something positive. We
really NEED Him to watch over us in these scary situations!! How long will God
@EternalPerspectiveEXACTLY as I feel(not sure I could have said it as
Physics27, "You would also write off any evidences as emotion or lack of
intelligence". Physics, just because you don't believe it doesn't
mean it isn't true.
@EternalPerspective:In this case, the teacher was wrong and the school
said as much and corrected it. The ongoing problem over the decades has been
encroachment upon religious freedom by schools and teachers trying to push their
own beliefs on students and others, not schools limiting those expressions. The
violations come into play when a teacher or student speaker has a captive
audience, particularly in a forum where any response or disagreement is not
allowed, and/or where the beliefs being proffered would reasonably appear to
have the power of the State behind them. For example, posting of religious
materials or erection of religious symbols by the school or State is a clear
First Amendment violation, regardless of whether the religion being promoted is
"majority" or "minority" religion. Keep in mind that if we
"let God back in the classroom", as some demand, the God being brought
in may not be the same God that you worship, and the forms of worship being
promoted may be for a religion which you do not believe or find acceptable for
I think the mom was right, but personally I do not see any problem with Ellen
DeGeneres -- I love her!
The ScientistProvo, UTYou are about 2000 years behind. The apostle
Thomas learned something you too can learn. Yours truly,'A
@ The Scientist:Michael Jackson was about as unreal as a person can
Hear, Hear! Sleight / Complaint / Investigation / Rectification / Apology.As it should be.
While we all agree this was a bad decision on the part of the teacher, there is
a deeper issue. Just look at the policies in the schools, and in government.
They have created an atmosphere where a teacher is so concerned about a child
brining religion into a classroom that they had a child change an essay.When will the micromanaging end and when can we allow common sense into
enter our lives again?
so, in defence, some people think Michael Jackson IS God. However -- it is
another classic example of a teaching assigning a vague assignment. If teacher
didn't want theological discussions, teacher could have limited the
assignment to discussion of human beings.
The Scientist, "Well, duh. Michael Jackson was real!"Yes,
regrettably and unfortunately he was.
RE: EternalPerspective, How are other domineering ideologies in the world any
different?Evolution is not only the basic premise of all atheistic
and *humanistic religions.Any form of atheism, pantheism must be based on
evolution. The great ethnic religions : Buddhism, Confucianism,
Hinduism and other such faiths are essentially based on some form of evolution,
accepting the space-time cosmos as the ultimate eternal reality and denying any
transcendent Creator of the cosmos. *Platonic pre-existence of the soul.Yet Orthodox Judeo, Christianity are different they believe in creation
No one should be surprised. Liberals feel EXTREMELY threatened when God or
religion is mentioned.
It seems the best way for students to write about God these days would be to
reference him as allah. Most teachers would not automatically give
you a lesser grade for fear of discrimination.
Might it just be the teacher was right. The assignment was to right about an
idol. Lots of folks can agree that God or Jesus or Zeus - whoever you worship
is a great god but in terms of the assignment, it wasn't to write abut god.
It was to write about an idol. The teacher probably should have clarified, it
wasn't an assignment to write about deity. I can imagine the teacher
wanted the students to think of a contemporary individual and try articulate
what about the person is appealing. Just a thought.
Many years ago, a student in my class gave a report on her belief in witchcraft.
Her presentation was a simple, objective statement of her belief, and I had no
problem with the way she presented it. But when a male student began an
irrational argument, and she threatened to put a hex on him as proof, I had to
shut the discussion down.Teachers encountering controversy in assignments
given is not new, folks. This was back in the late 1960's!
"In God We Trust"
Oh my goodness. I see that so many of us have a difficult time reading the
Satan has teachers and schools right where he wants them. Uptight, afraid,
antagonistic.But that's exactly what Christ said: "If you
love Me, the world will hate you." So put on your armor (Ephesians 6) and
be prepared for the battle. If kind words win the day, take off the armor for a
EliyahuI see your points and understand that everyone wants to
promote "tolerance" in this day as to not offend those who lack
representation. Whether one agrees with that trend in our culture or not is
another matter.However, the little girl in question was naming
"God" with a non-specific identity as a moniker of her faith. She was
essentially stating an affirmation of her beliefs. Should that be
denied any more than what other kids might attribute as their role model?
Should children only be able to say their role models are other people like
celebrities, but not God? How is that fair to those who believe in God as given
by groups who subscribe to the ideology of secularism promoting so called
"tolerance"?Quite simply, when you eliminate the rights of
expression because fear has convinced the masses such things as religion are
offensive, then personal freedom is lost. That is the heart of the matter here,
not what form of God the little girl expressed. The whole political correctness
movement has everyone sacred stiff to be sued or otherwise publically lashed for
affirming belief of deity. It is hypocrisy and unjust.
RE: EternalPerspective, “ the little girl in question was naming
"God" with a non-specific identity as a moniker of her faith. She was
essentially stating an affirmation of her beliefs.’True, can
you imagine if she was clear about Bible-believing Christian beliefs about
God... without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
was manifest in the flesh(Jesus), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.(1
Tim 3:16)Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down
his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.(1 John
3:16) “For in Christ lives all the fullness of *God in a human
body”. Colossians 2:9(NLT) Or in him dwells all the completeness of the
All I was saying is that teaches are confused by the constant legalese and
policies thrown their way. One could look at one way or the other way. Some
teachers would think it policy or legal to allow a discussion or paper on God,
others might shy away believing that separation of church in state would apply
in this case. Bottom line, my main point is that teachers are totally confused
by the endless policy garbage that spews their way. Enough is enough.
@FromSunnyStGeorge"This just cannot be tolerated in the Progressive
model of education. "Oh please... Progressives don't say
that religion can't be taught, just that the teaching of religion
can't be biased in favor of one particular religion. There's nothing
wrong with say some sort of exploratory religions class.
Article quote: "Shead contacted the school principal about the incident.
“Can you show me this in a policy where this child cannot talk about God
on paper?” Shead said in her interview. “I told the principal this
morning, 'Would it be better if she wrote about Ellen DeGeneres?' Of
course there was no comment.”"And wise people know there
is more of this kind of persecution of religious people (and specifically
Christians) on the horizon. To deny this is to stick one's head in the
sand.Sigh....Oh, well. I guess the positive thing to do
is to hang on to the fact that persecution makes our (and God's) eventual
victory all the MORE sweet!
I say "shame on the teacher" for the way she behaved to that young man.
You can only feel sorry for human beings who choose the side of the Devil. They
are blind to the damage they are creating and therefore feel what they believe
and do is right. Oh my goodness, their shock when they awake to what they have
done and hopefully they will choose to make good changes in their life so they
can be an attribute to their families and community.
Just shows how people avoid a subject to prevent getting someone mad at you. If
you don't want mud splashed on you, stay away from the mud pit so to speak.
This would not have happened just 30 years ago because there was no
isolationist's interpretation of the law. This is not how to teach
tolerance.Teachers should talk about religion as it is practiced by
various faiths around the world, just so kids can understand the nuances of
culture. Let them teach it the same way they teach other subjects. Call it
s-o-c-i-a-l s-t-u-d-i-e-s. You can teach the ideas behind religion without
prosletyzing. I learned about Hinduism, Budhism, catholicism, protestantism, and
Judism at my public school while growing up (sorry, I never knew what a muslim
was - except Cashius Clay became one), and I am none of those denominations. It
gave me an understanding that just because I think a certain way doesn't
mean that others do. This has allowed me to co-exist peacefully, and
respectfully with others regardless of personal beliefs.