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Ex-NFL, BYU quarterback Steve Young to speak at Affirmation conference

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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    I think the Mormons have taken a fair and correct approach to homosexuality.

    God loves everyone and whether one chooses to be a certain way or is born that way, he will never condone homosexual relationships. Everyone is born with challenges and he expects us to do what is right, even when we don't want to.

    Good job Mormons. I stand with you on this.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    It is possible to be kind to others while maintaining(even openly and continually) that certain life choices are wrong.

    No one is born a sinner. I may have desires to do incorrect and immoral things. That is not wrong.

    It's only wrong when those become actions.

    I like the Mormon approach.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    Alcoholism runs in my family. I could even say I was born with. Predisposition to alcoholism.

    That does not make me bad.

    It just means I have to be careful and make sure I don't follow those cravings and desires.

    The same can be said of homosexuality.

    I applaud the Lds church for their understanding approach to this difficult issue some face.

    I hope this conference can help those in need.

  • Shabba san mateo, CA
    Sept. 13, 2013 9:33 p.m.

    I think that is the first time I have ever seen the LDS church get a compliment for their stance on gays. I'm serious. I live in the bay area and if you aren't completely for every gay right you can think of then you are wrong. It's hard to deal with.

    Good for Steve though. I think that would be hard to do, I just have no idea what I would say if I tried to do something like this.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Sept. 13, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    Chris B

    Your best 3 posts ever.

    BYU Joe

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Sept. 14, 2013 6:45 a.m.

    Chris is right...we are all given temptations to overcome. Chris' might be alcohol, hers might be pornography and his might be homosexuality. Not acting on those temptations makes you stronger.

    I'm not doing so well on my challenges and feel very sad for those who have to overcome same sex attraction. Human intimacy is more powerful than a desire to consume alcohol, watch explicit material or overcome self doubt.

    I hope the QB (who is smart and wise) can help.

  • ChadF Orem, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    As a gay Mormon, I am so excited to see people like Steve Young showing support and love for a demographic that has a very rough time in the church.

    Also, I just want to provide a counterpoint to the other comments on this thread. Homosexuality is NOT just about sex, it is about the whole range of deep, personal connection. Encouraging people attracted to the same sex to marry the opposite gender is a horrible thing and causes horrible pain because it's built on such a horrible foundation. You'll have your Josh Weeds of course, but for most people this a truly devastating option.

    This leaves two options: Celibacy or losing the church. Could you be celibate for the rest of your life with no hope ever for enjoying one of the most basic human needs? Would you give up the Church in order to be married to the love of your life? The amount of suicide, pain, and heartbreak in the gay community is so high because of this problem.

    All we LGBT Mormons need from you is love. Love and acceptance is all you need to do. And truly, that is all Christ has asked.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    Chris B,

    The alcohol point is one I make all the time, but not with alcohol.

    If I said "I'm attracted to women who have [A TRAIT]". That could be 'big women', red-heads, blonde women who wear lots of bright pink... it could be whatever excuse a man will make not to look at his wife but another woman.

    You may find the new 'hot young brilliant blonde secretary in high heels and a short skirt' attractive. (like my Hollywood stereotype? lol) But that doesn't magically take away your ability to choose what you're doing Friday night. Only an absolute fool would use that as an argument to explain to his wife why he fooled around with the secretary.

    I love burgers, but EVERYONE knows that suing 5 guys for making me fat would be insane.

    Convincing yourself you were born without a choice is as irrational as it is deceptive. God doesn't give us commandments we can't keep. He also didn't give us a life without temptation. But the choice to act on temptations is ours.

    I affirm we're all tempted, but I don't affirm actions which breed misery.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 14, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    The Young's had a sign on their lawn opposing Prop 8 during the campaign. Steve Young's wife contributed money opposing Prop 8.
    Steve declined to say publically his position on Prop 8.

    Re:ChrisB
    Comparing homosexuality to alcoholism is ridiculous.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Comparing homosexuality with other addictions is perfectly rational and appropriate. It just isn't politically correct. And...behavior is ALWAYS a choice!

    I admire people who struggle with physical desires and yet choose to live the law of chastity. There are single people who are never able to marry who choose to live the law of chastity. There are those who struggle with SSA and still choose to live the law of chastity. I really respect and admire those people.

    Who I don't respect are returned missionaries who put their gay so-called "marriage" proposals on youtube and flaunt it. Then they put it on the news and go on national talk shows with it. They claim their families are supportive. I know the family of one of them and they are NOT supportive and are broken hearted. These guys are doing everything they can to flaunt this even though they KNOW what they are doing is wrong.

    So sad to see someone choosing a self-destructive life over a healthy, happy life. So sad to see someone breaking their family's hearts. Sooooo sad!

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Celibacy is not an impossible or unreasonable choice. There are many people of all faiths who live alone, some by choice and some by circumstances, who are also virtuous.

    Props to Chris B - I agree.

  • jrp7sen Logan, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    I disagree with the first few comments. I do not particualarly agree with the church's stance. It is not a trial. It is exactly the same as a straight marriage or relationship.

    You cannot expect gays and lesbians to go celibate because of how they were born. That is cruel and I don;t think any God would force anyone to be alone and single their whole lives. To wait until death to express love to another man. (Because this "trial" won't go away after death, sexuality is intertwined, I am sure, with you for the eternities)

    Also, celibacy is okay to those who choose it. To force others, however to do so is not right and never will be.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    jrp7sen: You say: "I don't think any God ..." If it was me and my personal eternity was on the line I would make absolute sure instead of acting on imposing my personal views on God. Isaiah says that his thoughts are not our thoughts so whatever justice you may "think" there is in your opinion, you would be better served to spend your time determining for sure what is His opinion.

    In essence, your God is man-made if you create him in your own image. I don't think it works that way.

  • Stop The Nonsense El Paso, TX
    Sept. 14, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    I lost a lot of respect for Steve after the whole Prop 8 thing. I attended a YSA conference in Oakland, CA shortly after that in which he spoke(I had just returned home from my mission), and there were lots of people who were disappointed that he was asked to be the keynote speaker. Glad to hear that he is changing his approach now (encouraging church members to be more receptive to gay members/visitors, rather than going against church leadership in support of gay marriage).

    That being said, I have the utmost respect for people like ChadF who do their best to stay faithful despite being homosexual. I have friends who are in your same boat. I also have friends who--although not homosexual--have gone their whole lives without finding "the one" and still obey the law of chastity. All have my respect and admiration. Keep fighting the good fight, my brother.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    Chad,

    Two questions/comments.

    First, homosexuality vs heterosexuality is only about sex. Men make "deep personal connections" all the time with other men and yet they are not homosexuals if they aren't sexually attracted to other males. Same with women.

    Second, in regards to only wanting love and acceptance, can you clarify?

    So you want us to love and accept you and other gays, or love and accept choices of homosexual relationships?

    One of those I can and will do

    The other god does not want me to do and therefore I will not.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 14, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Stop The Nonsense, it appears you misread a lot. First off, Affirmation is a group for gay mormons and former mormons. Probably moreso the second. Nowhere does it stay Young has changed his opinion on Marriage Equality. Also, you completely misread Chad's post.
    And yes, the comparison to alcoholism is completely offensive.

  • donn layton, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    RE Chris B, No one is born a sinner. I may have desires to do incorrect and immoral things.

    Wrong,Psalm 51:5 we all come into the world as sinners: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me."

    Ephesians 2:3 we are all "by nature children of wrath." If we are all "by nature children of wrath," it can only be because we are all by nature sinners--for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.

    Jeremiah 17:9 says that "the heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it." Original sin--wickedness is a property of the human heart.

    Ecclesiastes 9:3 declares a similar truth: "...the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil, and insanity is in their hearts through their lives." Again, the human heart is sinful, and therefore all humans are sinful.

  • J.D. Aurora, CO
    Sept. 14, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    As public opinion sympathizes more with the LGBT community a revelation is certain to follow.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Sept. 14, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    How about the words of an Apostle of the Lord: see Elder Neil L. Anderson, October conference, 2012, "Trial of your Faith". All should reread this.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    Is Steve aware that he will be addressing a group, of which many, are "practicing" homosexuals?
    They do not subscribe to the Church's policy of remaining celibate in this life?

    If Steve endorses the Church's stated position on this matter and their "Proclamation of the Family", then good for him.

    However, if he is still promoting Gay Marriage and hoping one day to see such marriages performed in LDS Temples, then he would be out of sync with the Church and most of it's members.

  • greatbam22 andrews afb, MD
    Sept. 14, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    @ jrp7sen

    That is your OPINION of God. According to his word (the scriptures) which we as LDS people believe to true your statement is completely wrong. God says the complete opposite of what you have said.

    LEV 18:22

    22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    DUET 23:17

    17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

    JUDE 1:7

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    God has already spoken concerning homosexuality as a sin. You can make up any opinion you want to of God but I'll stick with his word and the word of his living prophets. In a world which is becoming more and more selfish it doesn't surprise me that you don't believe in sacrifice.

  • kvnsmnsn Springville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 7:05 p.m.

    Donn posted:

    =RE Chris B, No one is born a sinner. I may have desires to do incorrect and
    =immoral things.
    =
    =Wrong,Psalm 51:5 we all come into the world as sinners: "Behold, I was brought
    =forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me."
    =
    =Ephesians 2:3 we are all "by nature children of wrath." If we are all "by
    =nature children of wrath," it can only be because we are all by nature
    =sinners--for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty.
    =God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and
    =became sinful due to the sin of Adam.

    Donn, are you saying that God punishes us for something Adam did? Or that God punishes us for doing what our nature compels us to do? If so, why should I believe that?

  • kvnsmnsn Springville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 7:13 p.m.

    Jrp7sen posted:

    =That is cruel and I don;t think any God would force anyone to be alone and
    =single their whole lives.

    There are women whose lives are so spiritually attuned to God that they wouldn't think of marrying someone that wasn't as committed to the LDS Church as they are, and yet (for whatever reason) have never been able to find someone to marry. Is it cruel for God to in essence force them "to be alone and single their whole lives"? Why do gays and lesbians have more of a right to marry than they do?

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 12:34 a.m.

    I think Steve Young and his wife are good people. They have a close relative, whom they love, who is gay. Walk a ways in their steps before you get too judgmental. Steve has done much to share his testimony and demonstrate his loyalty to the gospel. I wish I...and most of us...had done as much.

    And the snarky comment about public opinion leading to revelation is kind of silly.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 12:54 a.m.

    "Could you be celibate for the rest of your life with no hope ever for enjoying one of the most basic human needs?"

    That would depend on the person. Tim Gunn is openly gay as well as openly celibate. Difficult for some and possible for others.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 12:56 a.m.

    "Also, celibacy is okay to those who choose it. To force others, however to do so is not right and never will be."

    No one is forced to do anything. That runs contrary to the gospel.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    With love and understanding, the church reaches out to all God’s children, "

    -- Demanding celibacy and aloneness is not love nor is it understanding.

    @cats;

    Homosexuality is not an addiction. I could make the claim that religion is though; and it is most definitely a choice (as is bigotry). We're not "doing wrong", you are by discriminating and judging.

    @joe5;

    " If it was me and my personal eternity was on the line..."

    You don't know what our personal eternity is going to be. Take the beam out of your eye before trying to remove the mote from mine. Your god is also "man-made"; you have no proof otherwise.

    @Rikitikitavi;

    No thank you. It's only a MANS opinion.

    @greatbam22;

    Your god also says that judging someone else is a sin. Go sinner!

    @kvnsmnsn;

    The women you mention have the choice to marry if they so choose. They choose not to. Therein lies the difference.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Ranch said: "Your god is also "man-made"; you have no proof otherwise."

    You're wrong. Just because you don't have proof or refuse to acknowledge the evidence doesn't mean that I fall into the same situation you are in. Some people choose to see and some are willfully blind.

    Further, the accusation I made earlier about a "man-made" God is directed to those who would impose their own world-views on the God they worship. I have done the opposite. I have tried to make my world-views conform to His through study, prayer, and obedience. I am not His creator but rather He has created me.

    There have been times that has been very inconvenient as I have wanted to believe something different than what He teaches. But every time I have humbled myself and learned and followed the counsel of God, I have found it worked to my benefit. A true God is one that is smarter than me, not one who mirrors and reflects my own opinions.

  • greatbam22 andrews afb, MD
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    @ Ranch

    LOL. I know the scriptures. I wasn't judging Homosexuals. I was making it abundantly clear what God thinks about homosexual acts.

    You probably are a fan of homosexuals marrying where I am not. How is THAT helping them? You think God is ok with them marrying? Why would he be? How could he be? Yes he is a loving and merciful God but he is also just as well and he follows the laws he has established.

    How does homosexual marriage fit into the plan of salavation? It doesn't. Probably not what you want to hear but it is a fact. You can try and put it into the equation but it doesn't fit.

    It is amazing how you can say I am judging them when I am just stating what is in the scriptures. The church has said to be Homosexual ( feelings, tendencies, etc.) is OK but to act upon those tendencies is not ok.

  • kvnsmnsn Springville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Ranch posted:

    =The women you mention have the choice to marry if they so choose. They choose
    =not to. Therein lies the difference.

    And gays and lesbians have the choice to marry if they so choose, in every single state of the Union.

    Do you really think that in all cases a lesbian has more of a need to marry another lesbian (or a bisexual, I guess) than one of these women has a need to marry a worthy priesthood holder? And yet there's a shortage; in a monogamous society of necessity some of these women can't marry those worthy priesthood holders. Monogamy requires such women to either lower their standards or go single for the rest of their lives.

    I'd be a lot more prone to accept a lesbian's (or a gay man's) right to marry if some provision were made for these women to marry.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 17, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Asking a Church to change its beliefs to fit the trends of society is laughable. How can a homosexual person believe the LDS Church, or anyother church that believes homosexuality is a sin, is true then turn around and say gay marriage should be allowed in the Church? Please somebody explain this to me? Please? Pretty Please? And don't say my God is made up and my church isn't true because that is not my question.

  • oldschooler USA, TX
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Why do we still talk about it? God had already spoken and loves the sinner but not the sin. Tolerance yes, Acceptance never.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    I'm sure Steve has his heart in the right place and I applaud him for taking this stance. However, I do remember him discussing, several years ago, about getting involved in politics. Is this a precursor to his campaign? Just wondering.