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  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    Taysom Hill is Jake Locker in a BYU uniform. He will probably improve as a passer, but he will probably never be the kind of passer that sits in the pocket and picks apart a defense with his arm. He is an option QB who will go through his progressions but will take off if the defense gives him any daylight, like Texas did over and over again. Future opponents will study the Texas film and be sure to not make the same mistake so Taysom is going to have to figure out how to get his receivers and tight ends more involved. He has the best wide receiver ever to wear a BYU uniform and another talented receiver that is being badly under-utilized. And the tight ends have all but disappeared from the offense.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    Yes. Next question?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 10, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    I believe Taysom Hill will be smart enough to figure it out in time for the next game. Counting the minutes. Go Cougars!!!!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 10, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    The key is the O-line... If he has the time he will make the Defense pay...

    Right now, he trusts his legs more than his arm, but with his athletic ability, and the skill set he has, he will learn to trust his arm and he will learn to take more high percentage risks through the air...

    Hill can throw the ball hard and far (we've seen that), now he just has to improve his touch passing skills and hitting his targets with better accuracy and that is something that will come with repetition and experience... The stuff he has, you can't teach, the stuff he needs can be acquired... We have already seen him deliver (i.e a huge gainer against Boise State towards the end of the game last year, the 52 yarder to Apo at the end of the Virginia game, the strike he threw to Friel against WSU last year, the domination he showed through the air against Hawaii, etc.)...

    Hill just needs a little target practice and the uties will give him plenty as they will probably "key" on the run.

    BYU 31 uties 10

    Mark it down.

  • Top5Alive salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 5:37 a.m.

    Honestly looking at this game, I don't think trying to make Hill a passer is a good thing, let him do what he does and prepare for next year in that Idaho kid in Magum.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    Taysom is a mere sophomore! A little work on timing and his passing touch will not be an issue. Add tight ends in the mix(bigger targets) and things improve fast. We watched db's who should have had the angle on Taysom but he ran right past them out of their grasp. Utah won't let that happen as much as UT did but he will still find some daylight. Taysom is just too fast.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    I remember Steve Young, you know the guy who holds the NFL's all time accuracy record for quarterbacks, when he started as quarterback for BYU. His passing was miserable at first. It seems that he made at least 3x as many interceptions as touchdowns and his completion percentage was below 50%.

    Young worked hard on his passing and became a great passer. He was a duel threat.

    Just like Steve Young, Hill will improve his passing quickly.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    What is he lacking?

    Are you saying that being the dead last passer rating QB in the nation is a bad thing?

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Methinks Hill is another Riley Nelson in the making. Prove me wrong Mr. Anae!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    BYU 31 uties 10

    Mark it down.

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    I'll take 31-30 BYU. Texas has the best athletes BYU will see this season but, Utah's offense looks better than that of Texas.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    To all the haters out there, Florida won a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy with a quarterback who played much like Taysom Hill.

    Taysom may never be a Jim McMahon, but he hit a few passes versus Texas that clearly showed he can throw the ball well enough to be an effect passer; he simply needs to improve his consistency.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    BYU showed a lot of promise on Saturday (especially the O-line, special teams, and the defense), but Hill's passing certainly needs to improve. He showed some sparks of greatness, but had way too many errant passes. I'm sure that's something they'll be working on quite a bit in preparation for their next game. Nevertheless, he showed a good head on his shoulders with his decision-making abilities throughout the game, minus the passing game.

    That said, should be an exciting rivalry game next week. I'm curious to see how the Utes do against Oregon State, though it appears that the Beavers aren't all that great a team, having lost to FCS Eastern Washington.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    He has had 15 years or so to work on his passing and he is going to fix it in two weeks? Is it just me that sees his mechanics are similar to Tebow?

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    "Tilka

    PORTLAND, OR

    He has had 15 years or so to work on his passing and he is going to fix it in two weeks? Is it just me that sees his mechanics are similar to Tebow?"

    If he is so awful why was he so heavily recruited coming out of high school?

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    "...Hill has been working hard on improving his ability to throw the football."

    You either have it or you don't. Second year in college, if your trying to "learn" to throw the football you're in trouble.

    What would you have if Luke Staley played quarterback? Taysom Hill.

  • goforit Provo, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Not every heavily recruited athlete pans out like recruiters think they will. How about Jake Heaps. Tommy Grady. He is a great athlete who may or may not become good enough to pass consistently. He seems to be unafraid of his injured knee which is a good sign. Without a decent passing game it will be an up and down season.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    @stringer bell

    Like all utah "fans" I see you are taking the position that no one, unless of course they play for utah, can ever improve. They don't work at it, they don't practice, they don't focus, they don't try, they simply are what they are with no hope of ever being any more than they currently are.

    And of course since individuals cannot improve that must mean teams cannot improve as they are made up of a collection of individuals. So that means utah will always be a losing and bowless pac12 team because they "either have it or they don't" and all we have seen from them so far is that they "don't" isn't that right?

  • daver Provo, 00
    Sept. 11, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    So true, G-man! So far, Taysom hasn't really been able to "hurt" a defense with his arm. Sometime soon, that will determine the outcome of a couple of otherwise winnable games.

    BTW G-man, you're one of the best ever, in my book, but continuing to misspell "pore" can be distracting for those who love your content but also care about the language...:-)

    Sort of like Talo's using the plural for an "offensive linemen..."

    Now watch the flamers rise up in righteous indignation...LOL!

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    Re: Duckhunter

    At the big-time college football level you don't "learn to throw" while in your second year. That's something you either have or you don't and he doesn't. Reading defenses, situational awareness, etc., those are the types of things you and work on and with good coaching hopefully improve. Being able to pass the ball more than five yards accurately- I don't think so.

    I made no comparison to nor mentioned Utah, but since playing Utah is your Super Bowl and you are obsessed with them I understand that you just can't resist. I do love it when you refer to Utah as "Bowles" when they have missed only one bowl in the past 10 years. Not quite enough for a trend. Utah is clearly improving this year but next year is when it's going to start really coming together.

    Utah can lose to BYU next week and it has no effect on them going to the Rose Bowl. Not bad, huh?

    You'd better start worrying about USU. Watch their QB. He can throw and he's not bad at running either.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    In my opinion, Taysom's 2013/2014 season will be very short if he continues to run the QB draw as often as he did against Texas. I was terribly disappointed with the fact that BYU really doesn't have much to offer beyond the QB draw. At least they showed that they cannot sustain a series without it. I love BYU football, but I have to say that I'm very worried about the remaining 10 games if the QB draw is the primary play. What happened to all the great running backs? What happened to all the great receivers? What happened to the tight ends? What happened to the greater numbers of play options? I am first to congratulate BYU on a great win, but we just have to get better at keeping the QB healthy and strong.

    Go Cougars!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    When Texas was forced to change their defense to try to account for the way BYU was running the ball, Hill actually threw the ball noticeably better in the second half of the game.

    Christopher B:
    Since you are once again having a hard time deciphering what is being said, I'll try to clarify it for you. They are saying that no matter how you want to rate Hill as a quarterback, he will be good enough to beat Utah on September 21st... regardless of which combination of passing and running he chooses to use. All you have to do is watch and admire exactly how he does it.

    And yes, he will definitely do it. It's a done deal.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    I'm sure that anyone can improve on just about anything given the time and experience. Therefore, I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that Taysom will improve over time. Whether that makes him a true "dual threat" will depend on the degree to which he improves. Currently, he should face a lot of 8 in the box defenses until he can prove that he can throw will regular accuracy.

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    Blaine Fowler analyzed Taysom's throwing in TrueBlue and had some good insight. He pointed out that Taysom has already made some accurate and difficult completions. Usually when Taysom is inaccurate, he is throwing to far back, but if he stands up straight he corrects the problem--according to Blaine.

    I do believe he will do better and better each game, but he is not going to altogether abandon his read option run. It's too much fun for him. Hopefully, he can be smart about it and not pull a Nelson, getting constantly injured and not being able to perform to his full ability.

    @MacNasty I was about to correct you in saying that Steve Sarkisian holds the accuracy record at BYU (3rd in NCAA), but then I re-read and realized you said in the NFL.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    "If he is so awful why was he so heavily recruited coming out of high school?"

    Because he is very athletic.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    I believe the point SB is trying to make is that Taysom has been playing QB and working on his skills for a LONG time to become what he is today. It's not likely that Hill can reinvent himself or fix all of his throwing issues in only seven practices...

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    "I made no comparison to nor mentioned Utah, but since playing Utah is your Super Bowl and you are obsessed with them I understand that you just can't resist."

    Yes, right, since it's BYU fans just waiting for articles on Utah to post so they can comment...

    You get lost? Aren't you on a BYU board?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    @stringer bell

    Nor is two games a "trend". You obviously know little to nothing about football or athletics. Yes guys can always improve and there is no indication Hill doesn't "have it" or needs to learn how to throw, he simply needs to keep working on improving. MacNasty made an excellent comparison with Steve Young, who couldn't throw his first year he started for BYU then the following year set an ncaa record for completion percentage.

    And so what if you said anything about utah, I did, and by doing so just further made your "point" look foolish. If teams can improve that means the players on the team improved. If they "are what they are" by the time they reach college then utah will never be more than a losing team at the pit of its conference because that is what utah is, a losing team in the pit of its conference. But of course you'll hypocritically make exceptions for utah and utah "players" because you are a utah "fan".

    So are utah coaches feeding us a line when they claim wilson "improved his throwing" this year? He is what he is isn't he?

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Sept. 11, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    I believe Hill will improve at passing as the season progresses. Don't know how well that will translate to the rivalry game.

    Regardless, it will all be settled on 9/21. If BYU wins they will get the monkey off their backs so-to-speak. If the utes win then they will have renewed the yearly subscription many ute fans have to their self esteem and, in one game, will have made the season a success in the eyes of the likes of Chris B.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    @poyman

    The stuff he has, you can't teach, the stuff he needs can be acquired... We have already seen him deliver (i.e a huge gainer against Boise State towards the end of the game last year, the 52 yarder to Apo at the end of the Virginia game, the strike he threw to Friel against WSU last year, the domination he showed through the air against Hawaii, etc.)...

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    What do you mean "domination he showed against Hawaii, etc."?

    @Boise 4/10 42 YDS 0 TD 0 INT 74 RAT
    Hawaii 12/21 123 YDS 0 TD 2 TD 1 INT 122 RAT
    USU 24/36 235 YDS 1 TD 1 INT 125 RAT

    @Virgina 13/40 175 YDS 1 TD 1 INT 72 RAT
    Texas 9/26 129 YDS 0 TD 1 INT 68 RAT

    Career 62/133 (46%) 759 YDS 5 TD 4 INT 91 RAT

    The 52 yard pass to Apo was the last play of the game with no pass rush and the corners 30 yards off the receivers.

    Go compare the true freshman Travis Wilson's first 4.25 games, remember BYU fans labeled him mediocre while comparing Hill to Keeton.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    WON84
    PLANO, TX

    BYU 31 uties 10

    Mark it down.

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    I'll take 31-30 BYU. Texas has the best athletes BYU will see this season but, Utah's offense looks better than that of Texas.

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    True. But it's also true that Texas had the worst defensive coordinator BYU will face this year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    Tators
    Hyrum, UT

    When Texas was forced to change their defense to try to account for the way BYU was running the ball, Hill actually threw the ball noticeably better in the second half of the game.

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    Better then the first half yes, but 1st half was horrendous and 2nd have abysmal:

    1st Half: 4/17 62 YDS 0 INT 1 TD
    2nd Half: 5/9 67 YDS 0 INT 0 TD

    2nd Half Details:

    3rd and 3 at BYU 28 Hill pass complete 31 yards (half of his 2nd half pass yards)
    1st and 10 at TEX 41 Hill pass complete for 8 yards
    1st and 10 at TEX 26 Hill pass incomplete
    2nd and 15 at TEX 31 Hill pass complete for 5 yards

    1st and 10 at BYU 46 Hill pass complete for 12
    2nd and 8 at TEX 18 Hill pass incomplete
    3rd and 8 at TEX 18 Hill pass incomplete

    1st and 10 at TEX 26 Hill pass complete for 11 yards

    3rd and 12 at BYU 44Taysom Hill pass incomplete

    Can he improve? Well he's #122 (of 123) rated QB in the nation. All he can do is go up.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    Hill will never have an arm like McMahon, Young or Detmer, but his completion percentage will improve.

    I hope U are right and teams load the box with 8, because that by itself will improve Hill's percentage.

    Consider against Virginia he was throwing a ball that weighed 2+ pounds heavier than a regular football.

    Consider against Texas, they ran a nickel package most of the game, which is inherently hard to throw against.

    All of the comments by U about what a poor QB he is will be even more embarrassing when U lose. Nothing worse than getting beat by a poor QB.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    Uteology

    Despite your always selective and usually meaningless stats, bottom line:

    Hill lead BYU to a dominating win over storied, 15th ranked Texas, and in the process was the leading rusher in an offense that generated significantly more rushing yardage than the Longhorns had given up to any opponent in their more than 1,200 games.

    Texas had the same DC coordinator last season and NOBODY even came close to matching BYU's 550 yards rushing versus Texas.

    Get over your jealousy!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Just the FAX
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Uteology

    Despite your always selective and usually meaningless stats, bottom line:

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    Selective stats like 52 yard pass on the last play of the game in a prevent defense shows that Hill can throw?

    No the bottom line is Hill has had one good passing game against USU and BYU only manged to score 6 points in that game.

    He's has a great running ability but so far today he hasn't proven diddly with his arm. So the article is correct Hill needs to work on becoming a complete QB.

    Can he? No idea, because he hasn't shown it so far.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    @Just the FAX

    Texas had the same DC coordinator last season and NOBODY even came close to matching BYU's 550 yards rushing versus Texas.

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    True but OU had 340 rushing yards last year and few others had 200+ yards against Texas.

    I know you don't like stats, so close your eyes because you won't like this one:

    Rushing defense rankings 2012:

    #1 BYU 84 rushing yards per game
    #13 Utah State 111
    #22 Utah 129
    #43 Virgina 144
    #101 Idaho 198.7
    #102 Texas 198.8

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 12, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    I'll take 31-30 BYU. Texas has the best athletes BYU will see this season but, Utah's offense looks better than that of Texas.

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    True. But it's also true that Texas had the worst defensive coordinator BYU will face this year.

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    He's definitely the worst with good talent.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    @2fer

    No that isn't what he was saying or infering, in fact here is his exact quote.

    "You either have it or you don't. Second year in college, if your trying to "learn" to throw the football you're in trouble."

    He is saying Hill is all he will ever be, that he either "has it or doesn't have it" and there is no room or chance to improve. It was an absolutely thoughtless and ridiculous statement. If players "are what they are" and cannot improve then why even practice? Why work out? Why do anything at all? Just ridiculousness from a utah "fan" who obviously was just looking to say something negative. Now he just looks ridiculous.