So he "talked dirty" to her and he got a citation? I'm confused.
The police say there was no sex, so what exactly is the charge? Come on DNews,
a little more info.
“When informed about the charge, a representative for the [Utah Youth
Soccer Association] said [they] planned to take action against him.”We don’t care if he’s guilty or not. We’re going to
take action against him anyway. It doesn’t matter if he refutes the
allegations. That he was merely accused is all that matters.
A person is innocent until proven guilty.It's not uncommon for
a teenager to make this up.
This is where I wish we could see who has the long wooded nose. We either have
a man who got caught crossing over a line and this young lady did the right
thing OR a young lady who has something to prove or has a vendetta against this
man. (Or wants attention). Being a foster parent for 25+ years I
have had parents accuse us of abusing their children. Why? I am guessing that
it makes them look better. Of course we were not but none the less by law we
had to be investigated. Never fun and does not make you look good regardless of
how innocent you are. Same here. If he is not guilty then he still will have to
live with the repercussions especially when they hit the newspaper. If she is
after some sort of attention etc I hope they go after her in a big way. I just hope justice wins out for who ever is the guilty party.
You want innocent until proven guilty? What country do you live in? Any young
female can say anything they want about an adult male and he is guilty-BOOM. He
loses his job and reputation and is publicly pilloried in the newspaper. Throw
in the angle that he happens to be associated with a school and that will really
make the story juicy, even though his job at the school had nothing to do with
It seems a bit premature to report this. This could destroy someone's life
if it was made up, and yet here is his picture and name. On the front page. For
someone who doesn't seem to be a public menace.Way to go.
Teachers are held to a higher standard than the president of the country.
BU52,"You want innocent until proven guilty? What country do you
live in"Are you saying that the doctrine shouldn't exist,
or that it doesn't exist in this country?If the former, you can
easily get a real education on the subject and find that the burden of proof can
only reasonably and fairly rest with prosecution, not defense. Anything less
than this is oppressive, unjust, and insanely irrational.If the
latter, I agree. We've lost this in our country. But I also feel that just
because something is lost, doesn't mean it isn't worth fighting for to
get it back.That's the way things were. That's the way
they should be.
What if this man IS innocent and no one remembers that he didn't do
anything? It sounds like it is way too early to spread this incident all over
the front page. Goodness. These kinds of things can ruin a good man with a
good reputation. It seems like too many are casting stones without
finding out or waiting for ALL the facts to surface.
Society has reached the point where we prefer the sensational and expect some
sort of tragedy around every corner.We have become so
hyper-sensitive, and not completely without legitimate reason - to assign
criminal intent to a wider spectrum of activity. All an adult has to do is say
something, intended or not to a minor; which can be misconstrued as innuendo and
without further explanation, the authorities report en mass to punish the
fiend.I would have to agree, reporting on this incident, though
juicy and intriguing, was probably premature. I would not be surprised to find
in reality that there was no malicious intent; and yet, we must have a guilty
party to parade before the public in irons and punish.
The police have to take every allegation seriously and check it out. I would
hate for an innocent man to be charged based on false claims, but at the same
time I would hate to see a guilty man get the message that he can get away with
it. Next time it could be worse. I would hope the police took into account all
the facts, including the trustworthiness of both the victim and the accused,
before making any charges. Hopefully, if the charges prove to be false, the
community will act as though the charges had never been brought.My
thoughts are that there is probably enough evidence that there was an incident
to justify the charge. I am sure that the police did an investigation before
issuing the citation; especially since the incident happened in July and the
information is just coming out.At the same time, we need to put this
into perspective. The coach has been charged with a misdemeanor, not a felony.
Still, if guilty, he should not be coaching kids.
Welcome to the new American system of justice. Charged, tried, convicted and
sentenced by the press before the legal proceedings even begin.
I am shocked at the seeming disregard for keeping our children and adolescents
safe from sexual predators. First of all, this story proves why I
will never put my kids in any public school system. If you cannot trust a
school in Orem, you cannot trust it anywhere. Second of all, this
story proves why we need to stop blaming the media and the police for these
stories. Wouldn't we rather report an incident and find it to be untrue
than see a horrible tragedy as a result of not taking a report seriously enough?
What if this were your daughter? Would you not believe her and
take her seriously? Would you not want the police and public to take you
seriously and not just write you off as "making stuff up"? At the same time, this gentleman must not be excoriated in the press or
presumed innocent until proven guilty. We do not know all the facts; we must
trust the legal system to do the job it was set up to do according to the United
States Constitution. Let us pray for the family of this victim and
accused. They need our faith and prayers.
The major element in this case is that there are no witnesses. Unless there is
any physical evidence that there was physical contact between the coach and the
girl, how will there ever be a conviction? I wasn't aware that an
accusation alone constituted probable cause for a citation, but I guess I was
wrong. In any event, I believe that it is going to be very tough to make a case
against Coach Enciso-Lezama without something more than just the word of the
That being said, legally this coach as a responsible adult should have known
better than to place himself in a vulnerable situation alone with a minor where
no one would be able to attest as to what was happening and help put a stop to
anything inappropriate that would have been occurring. This coach
was unwise by not having anyone around and even letting things progress to the
point where an allegation would have any validity to begin with. While he may or may not be guilty of sexual contact or even inappropriate
touching or conversation, the fact remains that he is guilty of allowing himself
and her to get into a situation alone where he could not have someone that could
attest to that behavior. As a result, he will have no one to back him up. Whether or not it is fair is irrelevant. Whether you like it or not
doesn't matter. It is a fact and all other interpretations are a moot
point. Even if he is exonerated of the charges, he will have to live with the
mistakes he made in letting this happen. LDS missionaries have it
right: they have their companion with them.
It was extremely poor judgement for this man to be alone with this girl. This by
itself was inappropriate. However, there should not be a rush to "take
action against him". Let the investigation proceed. They certainly
don't want another Duke Lacrosse nightmare where the rush to judgement
caused players to be expelled and the coach fired. Duke faculty even signed a
petition. Nobody was interested in waiting for the case to be heard. After the
frenzy and damage done, the investigation concluded that the accuser had
fabricated the whole thing.
The appropriate action for the district and the league is to suspend him until
the case is resolved.Maybe he's innocent, but if he isn't the
district and league become liable for his actions from the moment they are
informed of the charges. If it turns out he has other victims or NEW victims and
these institutions do nothing, they take the blame. If you pay taxes in the
ASD, that means you pay for it.Maybe you'll get picked for the jury,
then you can decide. Otherwise, the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence
here to warrant filing charges. Let the court take it from here.
An adult male alone with a 17 year old girl? Bad, bad, bad decision.
I think it would be helpful in cases like these to know if the accused has a
history of these kind of allegations. If you tell me that this man has, say,
worked around young people for years without the hint of an allegation I can
read this kind of report without jumping to any kind of conclusions until all
the facts are in. As al smith used to say...lets look at the record. I'm
pleased to read so many posts here which advocate cool heads and not rushing to
judgment. Des news? Your readers are showing better restraint than your
reporters. Kids are kids and more prone to misstating events or outright
fabrication because they know they will lose nothing in these situations and
will probably be praised by their overprotective parents for being cautious even
if this man is exonerated. Even if this should prove to be an outright malicious
act for whatever purpose, she will not pay in any meaningful way. Meanwhile his
life will still be turned upside down. Here's hoping its a misunderstanding
and if it is, that the des news is quick to report that as well.