Any proposed reform that does not include mandatory jail terms for employers of
illegal aliens will be a complete failure just as the '86 Amnesty was a
failure.Every day that an illegal alien is allowed to work is
another day that taxpayers are forced to support a law abiding family that was
forced into unemployment and poverty when the illegals under bid the legal
workers for jobs.The penalty for EMPLOYERS of illegal workers should
be mandatory $15,000 fine per illegal worker and mandatory 2 years in jail
without parole per illegal worker. That would put an immediate end to the
problem.That is ALL the reform we need.
It's not political, it's greed and law breaking. The Chambers of
Commerce need to have compassion for America's citizens. We have no
enforcement now, nothing will change, except higher unemployment, depressed
wages, and a much larger tax burden on legal immigrants and citizens. Besides 33
million people (the population of Canada), we will see double the green cards
and work visas. (currently 1 million and 3.2 million)Enforcement is
the only solution that does not make things worse down the road. It's the
only honest solution.
So is Rep. Bishop telling us that there's a more powerful force influencing
some sides of Congress than voter desire? We'd benefit to see what that
is, as an elected official that no longer responds to voter desire is no longer
participating in a democracy.
"Smith asked the congressman what the business community can do to help make
progress on the issue of dealing with immigrants in the country
illegally."That's easy. Stop hiring them.Not
likely though because the illegals represent a large pool of potential employees
willing to work for poverty level wages. Why hire a citizen when these guys are
willing to work for less?Does anyone else see a conflict of interest
with this group entirely made up of business owners and immigration lawyers?A little rainfall is good for the soil. But when it rains faster than it
can be absorbed, the resulting flash flood is destructive, not beneficial.
That's why we have immigration law.So here we are up to our
necks in a flood and these guys are doing a rain dance.What is their
So, a guy from the Chamber and an immigration lawyer are promoting amnesty for
illegal aliens.They trot out all the rhetoric that some people just
don't like immigrants.Well, most people DO like immigrants. The
trouble is illegal aliens, those people who come here illegally, lie about their
status and take jobs.That's what we are talking about here.
Now, why is the Chamber and the immigration lawyer defending illegal aliens?
Because of greed perhaps? Cheap labor? Clients?The real answer here
is as basic as human nature: Do not reward bad behavior. Amnesty, by any other
name, is still rewarding people who broke the law. That never works.
In the senate vs house debate, we see that Boehner is the statesman while reid
is the partisan shill. Boehner talks and negotiates with BO, trying to get
stuff done, but when the result is sent to harry and trhe senate, he and chuckie
through fits and undermine their own president purely for partisan reasons.What can business do with the illegals already here? Stop hiring them!!
Representative Bishop is to be commended, along with our other Utah congressmen,
for standing up for sound principles and the integrity of American citizenship
in this immigration issue. So many in the senate have allowed their votes to be
influenced by the business lobby and the Hispanic factor.Any changes
in America's policies on illegal immigration should be carefully considered
one faction at a time and with primary attention being paid to border security
and hiring practices of employers.Kudos to Rob Bishop.
How are you ever going to convince the American caucasian workers to put forth
as much effort as the Hispanic immigrant workers?When comparing the work
ethic and the daily time spent actually working hard at the job, there is no
comparison. This is blatantly apparent in the jobs that young American
people, or older workers with little or no education, refuse to accept.And people wonder why employers are working to tirelessly to get legislation
to legally hire immigrant workers.
no fit,why do you INSIST in lumping all hispanic immigrants in with the
illegals? Why?I have no problem with legal immigrants - they are
more than welcome here. Employers CAN hire legal immigrants.
Why would we allow the same people who created the mess to fix it? I love
'gridlock' in Washington D.C. Nothing getting done would be a vast
improvement! Now, if we can just cancel Obamacare and every other
unconstitutional program. Partisanship would end and people would actually be
free to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The lobbyists for employers of illegal trespassers are putting EVERYTHING they
have into getting House members to pass anything at all on immigration. When
that happens, the House will get together with the Senate to "reconcile"
their bills. Which means the majority of the Senate bill will remain in place
since the senate is the "most" powerful of the two bodies.The Senate bill is LOADED with pork which has nothing to do with immigration,
and which we can't afford even if it did!As House members hold
townhall meetings with their constituents across the country, they are getting
an earful OPPOSED to any "new" immigration bill.Lets HOPE
that Rep. Bishop realizes that the businessmen only each get 1 vote. 80-90% of
us commoners are OPPOSED to anything except ENFORCEMENT!
Insanity- People in Utah keep electing the same people over and over and expect
a different result. Wow. Bishop, Hatch and the other career politicians are the
problem. Nothing will get done unless you get rid of them. Keep buying their
lies and then look in the mirror and call yourself the Fool.
@ Love skiing"Please be more specific. What specific different
results are we "people in Utah" expecting... that you are referring
to?In what specific ways are Bishop, Hatch and the "others"
the problem? Again, please give specifics.How exactly will getting
rid of "them" allow so much more to get done... specifically, not the
generalities you are prone to writing.And lastly, what specific lies
are we people of Utah buying that should cause us to call ourselves "the
Fool"?Most of your rhetoric is just that... rhetoric and nothing
more. Especially if you refuse to or can't explain yourself more
Lost in DC and all,It's not that simple. I'm a foreign
national (living legally in the US) with two masters degree on my belt and with
the current system is EXTREMELY difficult to get a job. I've been through
several job interviews. Some very good ones, but as soon as an employee hears
he/she needs to go through the H-1B, they give up. I've put so far over
120K in American economy (tuition, books, computers, tablets, rental, two brand
new cars, insurance, gym memberships, grocery, clothing and all
expenses/services any citizen pay).My wife, also a very qualified
professional (civil engineer with a Masters degree in Environmental Engineering)
can't work either. Spouses of students and H-1B visa holders have less
rights than women in Saudi Arabia!!!The current system needs be simplified
in order to attract the high-skilled workers. Especially those ones, like me,
that are already living in the US, working on advanced degrees and would like to
continue to live and work here.Hope this puts some perspective on how
overwhelming, unfriendly and discouraging the current system is.
TwoMastersDegree,years ago when I was single I had a roommate from Canada
who was in the same boat - he was reaching the end of his temporary work visa,
and even though his employer could not find anyone local with his skillset, it
was like pulling teeth to get the visa renewed.thank you for adding
to our society.thank you for being here legally.I am
sorry nofit insists on lumping you in with illegal immigrants.is the
system broken? yesdoes opening the borders with no controls fix it?
noafter seeing the dem approach to healthcare (obamacare), the
economy (porkulus), and to too-big-to-fail banking (dudd-frank), I have NO
confidence in anything the dems put forward to "solve" a problem.
secure the border first, then let's tackle the next part of the problem.
Lost in DC,No need to thank me. I always considered myself part of
OUR society. My three children were born here and I am proud they are
Americans.Anyway, I only think a little different on the border issue. As
the famous economist Milton Friedman said, there is also benefit from illegal
immigration: first they can't drain any Social Security Benefits, second
they increase the purchasing power for most Americans (cheaper services,
housekeeping, agricultural labor, etc.). Non-tradable goods become relatively
cheaper for Americans. The only sub-set of the population that is negatively
impacted by illegal immigrants is the low-skilled workers (high-school dropouts,
no college diploma, etc.). They do face direct competition from illegal
immigrants.We cannot simply assume the illegal immigrants must be
deported. Does any one really think would it be possible to deport 11 million
people? Secondly, thinking that "they broke our laws, they are
criminals" is just not fair. Thinking the same way, our founding fathers
broke the law when they declared independence from England and should have been
hanged. "Law" is a dynamic science and should reflect the social order
of our society.
For a Professional Teacher and Civics Teacher, he is finding it more difficult
to talk out of both sides of his mouth as a politician even though he has been a
politician most of his adult life. With Representative Chaffetz in the mix for
the Utah Representatives, it makes it difficult for Congressman Matheson,
Stewart and Bishop. They each have their electorate to represent but with the
Tea Party side of the Republican party it even makes it difficult for Matheson.