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BYU football: Cougars announce home-and-home series with San Jose State

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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    This makes sense.

    2 non power conference schools, go 1 for 1(see San Jose byu and also byu and usu recent agreements)

    When you have 2 power conference schools, they also go 1 for 1(see utah and michigan series scheduled after Pac 12 invite)

    When it's 1 power conference team against a non power conference team the standard is 2 for 1, in favor obviously of the power conference team(see byu and USC recent agreement). Even if its tecnically a 1 home 1 away and 1 "nuetral" the "nuetral" game will generally be significanly closer to the power conference team(See byu and Arizona agreement with the "nuetral" game in Arizona)

    What will be interesting if whether Holmoe will accept the 2 for 1 Chris Hill will start offering.

    byu will take it too. Why? They want to play against power conference teams. And Utah owns them on the field. byu does not have much negotiating power(see no 2 for 1's in byu's favor with either usu or sjsu and the 2 for 1's with USC and Arizona)

    LOL!

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    I like the matchup as it replaces Utah with an equal opponent in 2015 and the Y gets to play in California which they aren't doing this year. San Jose State proved to be a worthy opponent last year doing better than Utah and we didn't have to put up with the obnoxious posts about being in the PAC12 (although they were a better team).
    And they don't think they deserve a 2-1 like some people who have left the Y behind but can't seem to catch-up.

    See Mr. Post on every article, getting the neighbors all riled up isn't so hard.

    To the real Utah fans forgive me, I just wanted to play with our friend.
    I wish Utah every success except on the 21st of Sept.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 8:08 p.m.

    This announcement isn't as exciting to me as Fresno State was. We just played SJSU these last two years and I doubt they will be as good as they are currently with their QB. At least there will be a game in California and the games agreed upon aren't consecutive years.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    I sure hope that SJSU is at least decent for these years. Although I think that regardless of what conference they are in they will give BYU a good game.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    BYU doesn't have the luxury of playing Colorado and Washington State every year, so the Cougars have to sprinkle in teams like San Jose State to round out their schedule.

    This will be a great opportunity for BYU's Bay Area fans and recruits to attend a BYU football game.

    San Jose State also announced a home-and-home with Oregon State today.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 21, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    Nice series with a top 25 program - unlike the bcs pac 10 plus CU team in red up on the hill.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    Chris B, would you like to give another example of a home-and-home that Utah has scheduled with power teams?

    Also, BYU has scheduled many home-and-homes with power conference teams. And at least BYU can get at least a return visit from teams like Notre Dame and Texas. How many times have they agreed to come to RES? A 2-for-1 is better than not playing the team at all.

    By the way, if Utah ever offers a 2-for-1 with BYU (which I doubt they will), BYU will never take it.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 22, 2013 12:07 a.m.

    @ Chris B

    "This makes sense.

    2 non power conference schools, go 1 for 1(see San Jose byu and also byu and usu recent agreements)

    When you have 2 power conference schools, they also go 1 for 1(see utah and michigan series scheduled after Pac 12 invite)"

    Your right, it does make sense, Utah has a home and home against Fresno State. Both non power conference schools. Fresno State? Well, they haven't done much lately, haven't been ranked in a while. Utah? They are a non power school in the Pac 12. They fit right in with each other.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 12:19 a.m.

    "Cougars announce home-and-home series with San Jose State"

    Hmm...... The only thing that comes to mind for this schedule agreement is BYU wants revenge from last year's flop to SJSU! The cougies trail in the all-time series against the Spartans 6-10. I don't blame Tom Holmoe for quickly calling up SJSU for a home and home scheduling.

    BYU might as well just rejoin the MWC since they're scheduling these home and home games with MWC teams (Boise State, Fresno State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State).

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 12:36 a.m.

    "BYU doesn't have the luxury of playing Colorado and Washington State every year, so the Cougars have to sprinkle in teams like San Jose State to round out their schedule"

    No, but BYU had the luxury of playing Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San Jose State, and Hawaii the last two years to salvage their mediocre season. This year they added Middle Tennessee State and Houston for that same purpose.

    The Cougies are still 0-2 against big brother up north since going Indy!

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 6:20 a.m.

    Oh wow! This is a huge announcement. At least it's not the two for one or home, home and "neutral" as BYU likes to schedule with their biggest name opponents. Can't wait!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    It's interesting how Chris B somehow slipped his post into first comment posted almost TWO hours AFTER I commented at 9:18 p.m. on Aug. 21, 2013.

    No surprise that he's mocking two "non-power" conference teams scheduling a one-and-one, especially since Oregon State also announced a one-and-one with San Jose State yesterday, and Utah announced a one-and-one with Fresno State a couple of months ago.

    Using the Utah fan talking points, playing San Jose State gives BYU a better opponent than Utah in 2015 and is great for BYU recruiting in the recruit rich Bay Area.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    clarky

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012; Utah only TWO. And unlike BYU, Utah hasn't beaten a single AP Top 25 team since joining the PAC.

    The Uties have averaged #50 in Sagarin since joining the PAC, no Top 25 finishes, with a losing bowl-less season, and not a single win over a PAC team with a winning record.

    Despite a couple of head-to-head wins, one by the skin of your teeth, the Utes are still BYU's little brother.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    Tom do yourself a favor and make life easier, join the MWC. your there already.

    "A rose by any other name......" Shakespeare

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Elmer Fudd

    "BYU might as well just rejoin the MWC since they're scheduling these home and home games with MWC teams (Boise State, Fresno State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State)."

    By staying Independent, BYU can pick and choose which MWC teams BYU wants to play, without ever being forced to travel to Laramie in November again.

    BYU also keeps its exclusive contract with ESPN and is free to schedule as many games against the likes of Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Nebraska as BYU wants, without being restricted to 3 or 4 OOC games per season.

    As an Independent, BYU is also able to accept an invitation to a conference like the Big 12 or PAC 12 at a moment's notice, without any penalty or time constraints.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    This makes a lot of sense.

    BYU replaces a local conference bottom-dwelling 61st ranked team with a solid Top 25 opponent to be played in November in the fertile recruiting area of Northern California.

  • BYU&UW FAN West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    You can't play every game against teams like Michigan, USC, Texas and Wisconsin. Every schedule needs balance. This is a good add in a state BYU recruits heavily. The constant spin from both sides get old. This game doesn't get me excited like adding a big name program, but the game is needed for many reasons.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    midpacmajor
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    By staying Independent, BYU can pick and choose which MWC teams BYU wants to play, without ever being forced to travel to Laramie in November again.

    BYU also keeps its exclusive contract with ESPN and is free to schedule as many games against the likes of Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Nebraska as BYU wants, without being restricted to 3 or 4 OOC games per season.

    As an Independent, BYU is also able to accept an invitation to a conference like the Big 12 or PAC 12 at a moment's notice, without any penalty or time constraints.

    _________

    Forced? Obviously you are talking about the 2-1s that BYU is forced to sign of their own choosing.

    BYU gets to keep it's exclusive of losing to ranked teams on national TV.

    So BYU can join any conference without penalty or time constraints? Interesting that BYU fans like to pick apart Utah for joining the PAC 12. But somehow you think that BYU can join a conference without any issues.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    I am going to join Uteanymous in calling out the DNews on posting Chris B's post at the top of the comments after four previous comments were already posted.

    Staying on topic: Chris B. thank you for posting just before my post and making everything I had previously said relevant and on topic.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    I think we're going to see BYU play 4 to 5 games each year with MWC. Two are a given with USU and BSU. I'd like to see more with SDSU, Colorado St and Air Force. Hoping we don't ever play in Laramie again.

    Four games against MWC, six games against "power conferences" and two others (against teams like Houston, Conn, etc) I like it!!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Look at the time stamp on christina's post, it is 5 minutes before the next post was made. That means christina made her post first but it was probably being reviewed by the moderators for awhile before they went ahead and posted it at which point it went in right in the order it was submitted, which was apparently first.

    Where the moderators failed was after reviewing it they then allowed it to be posted at all. I can tell you I've had far more innocuous posts denied by the dnews many, many times. Based on the stuff christina posts I highly doubt any of her posts are ever denied by the utah "fan" moderators that run this site. That is not the case for BYU fans, ours are denied routinely, almost any post criticizing or pointing out any deficiency whatsoever in the utah programs are automatically denied.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    "Look at the time stamp on christina's post, it is 5 minutes before the next post was made."

    Not implying anything sinister (or maybe I am), but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the post was made a couple of hours after the time stamp; for an "insider", that wouldn't be at all difficult.

    It's simply too coincidental that christina's post are so frequently the 1st, 2nd and even 3rd posts on nearly every BYU article.

    The moderators do seem to green flag many of her posts that are much more caustic than many of my posts that have been rejected.

  • Gus Tunkle Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    This is great news! I can't wait for BYU to play these games. (Or any games!) They will be super awesome this season! Hooray!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    BYU doesn't have the luxury of playing Colorado and Washington State every year, so the Cougars have to sprinkle in teams like San Jose State to round out their schedule.

    --------------

    The only think you "sprinkled" in is 2 Big 5 (aka BCS) teams around your mid-major schedule.

    BYU's 2015 Schedule as of today:

    9/5 @Nebraska
    9/12 Boise State
    9/16 Michigan
    10/17 @Southern Miss
    10/24 Cincinnati
    10/31 Connecticut
    11/7 @San Jose State
    11/14 @UNLV
    11/21 Fresno State
    11/28 Utah State

    Colorado and Washington would be a step up.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    CougFaninTX

    Frisco, TX

    I think we're going to see BYU play 4 to 5 games each year with MWC. Two are a given with USU and BSU. I'd like to see more with SDSU, Colorado St and Air Force. Hoping we don't ever play in Laramie again.

    Four games against MWC, six games against "power conferences" and two others (against teams like Houston, Conn, etc) I like it!!!

    -------------

    6 games against the Big 5 teams?

    Nope.

    As of today it's 4 against MWC, 2 ACC, 2 CUSA, and 2 Big 5 teams so far.

    With only 4 home games and 6 road games I doubt a Big 5 team will want to schedule the first game in Provo. So you might get a road game but I think having 7 road games is just crazy, even for Notre Dame of the West.

  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    Aug. 22, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    Well, BYU lost in San Jose last time so...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    @uteology

    I'm pretty sure the ACC is "big 5" as you put it. Nice try at obfuscation but you failed....again.

    As for colorado or wsu being a "step up" over any of the teams on BYU's schedule you just posted...well.... fail again. They certainly are not. The only teams on that schedule either of those teams ranked higher than last season were southern mississippi and unlv, and they were pretty close to the same with unlv at 157 compared to cu's 156 and so miss at 167 compared to wash st 104. That is right both colorado and wash st ranked lower than uconn, Nebraska, Boise st, michigan, cincinnati, usu, fresno, and san jose st.

    Fail....major fail.

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    @DeepBlue

    That's a very good point. I would not put that out of the realm of possibility.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 22, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    It's a conspiracy!!!!
    An inside job giving special treatment to a Ute fan. LOL! Duck, DeepBlue, and others.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    Not a Huge announcement...just an announcement.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 22, 2013 7:21 p.m.

    Uteology,
    "BYU's 2015 Schedule as of today:"

    Wow, ute fans know BYU's schedule better than BYU fans do. Talk about obsessed! I have no clue and don't care at all what some other utahs team schedule is years to come. I love these people who just love to follow BYU sports! Best team in the land, and they prove it over and over by them sharing all their BYU knowledge with us!

    SJSU is just like USU, Ball State, and Southern Miss. One good season then back down they go to mediocrity or below. By 2015, this will be an easier game.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    Uteology

    LOL at your delusional spin.

    #25 Nebraska, #18 Boise State, #24 Michigan, #21 San Jose State, and #16 Utah State all finished the 2012 season ranked higher than any of Utah's 2012 PAC opponents except #20 Oregon State.

    "bcs" and "big 5" labels are meaningless. There's no guarantee than any particular team on Utah's future PAC schedules will be any better than #21 San Jose State.

    --------------

    "Colorado and Washington would be a step up."

    Colorado is one of the worst teams in the country and it's hilarious how you tried to slip Washington into the discussion, instead of Washington State.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    Glad to see another game being played in recruiting rich California. Anytime you see BYU schedule a game in California, regardless of who it is against, chalk that up to recruiting. This is the same reason why BYU is playing against Fresno State, and in the Poinsettia Bowl in 2015 and another Poinsettia Bowl sometime after that. More games in California means more exposure to recruits. Period.

    Everyone around the country remembers what Kyle Van Noy did in the Poinsettia Bowl last year. How many linebackers in California were watching and said "I want to be the next Kyle Van Noy?"

    Also love that the game in 2015 is in November.

    Great work by Tom Holmoe.

    Go Cougars!

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Aug. 23, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    I'm afraid that the next Kyle Van Noy in California will be playing for USC.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 23, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    I am not sure why Utah fans would dis Colorado and Washington State. Colorado beat Utah in SLC the first year in the PAC for the two teams, and last year lost by a touchdown at their house. Colorado is currently EQUAL to the Utes meaning the game could go either way.

    Washington State is on the rise. Its too bad the Utes don't have them early on in the season to make the game more in favor of the Utes because Washington State will be a much better team when the two schools face. Washington State may be better than the Utes right now.

    SJSU is better than all three schools presently. However Fales will be playing pro ball by the time the Cougars play the 2015 game so it will be hard to say how good/bad the team might be. I just hope they are at least an average bowl eligible team those two years.

    BYU will play recruiting games in California and Texas it seems yearly.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 23, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    RE: Uteology

    Talking about BYU's 2015 schedule (so far)... "Colorado and Washington would be a step up."

    Really??! Of the teams currently scheduled six of the ten were ranked at the end of last season. Here's how Colorado and WSU would actually stack up (Sagarin rankings)

    #19 Utah St
    #20 Michigan
    #22 Nebraska
    #29 SJSU
    #36 Cincy
    #41 Boise State
    #58 Fresno St
    #89 UCONN
    #104 Washington State
    #156 Colorado
    #157 UNLV
    #167 Southern Miss

    So if we swap out our two worst opponents for CU and WSU then the two PAC12 powerhouses become our two worst opponents. Now, I didn't go to the school on the hill so maybe they do math differently there... Perhaps Uteology can explain to us how CU and WSU would be a "step up"?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    Yes we do math differently, we don't make any inferences off a sample size of ONE. If you look at last 3 years you'll get a better understanding of what BYU can expect in 2015:

    Utah State #71
    UCONN #73
    Southern Miss #86
    ***** Washington State #88
    San Jose State #95
    ***** Colorado #110
    UNLV #147

    So you can most likely expect about half your opponents to be about as good as Washington State (aka PAC-12 conference "bottom feeder").

    Adding ANY Big 5 bottom feeder would be a "step up" in competition.

    If you disagree, then please continue "sprinkling" 2 Big 5 games annually around your MWC/AAC/CUSA schedule.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    RE: Uteology

    Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold any water. Replacing a really bad team with a different really bad team = wash. It doesn't matter if one is ranked #425 and the other one is significantly better at #225--they're both still really bad.