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Infographic: Charting the offensive production of BYU, Utah and USU since 2000

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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Overall nothing too impressive from any of the teams.

    The best overall record by a team from Utah against the other Utah teams during this time period?

    Utah.

    Enough said.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 20, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    Looks like BYU finished ahead of Utah in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2012.

    Utah finished ahead of BYU in 2003, 2004, and 2010.

    BYU and Utah tied in 2005.

    9-3-1

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    doesn't look like great consistency for any of the 3 teams...

  • jonnyboy Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Huh, so scoreboard doesn't count, but whoever had the most offensive production does? Well, I must be missing something about this sport that I have been watching for ever so many years.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    It's obvious that Utah's defense has carried the them. Except for 2004 when the Utes played a weak schedule, their offense hasn't been much to shout about, which explains why the Utes have struggled, and will continue to struggle in the PAC; the Utes simply don't have the horses to keep up with the big boys.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    Best offenses in the bunch:

    BYU 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009
    Utah 2004
    USU 2012

  • HorseCollarTackle Charlotte, NC
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    Leave it up to a BYU fan to claim a moral victory in 2005. Last I checked, 1 point is still a win.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    jonnyboy

    "Huh, so scoreboard doesn't count..."

    Who said anything about scoreboard not counting? The comparison is based strictly on offensive production.

    In total yards per game, BYU lead Utah in 9 of 13 seasons, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012. Utah lead in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2010.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    WACmajor,

    And byu doesn't have the horses to keep with Utah.

    So if we're a step down from the big boys.

    You're at least 2 steps away!

    LOL

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    It's interesting that in 2003 and 2010, when BYU had the worst seasons during the Crowton and Mendenhall eras, Utah's and BYU's offenses were similar in production, as was, coincidentally, Utah State's.

  • Jenny83 Logan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    midpacmajor...The Utes might not have the horses to keep up with the big boys but they usually always have enough horses to beat BYU...... 8 out of the last 11 years!!!

  • Love skiing Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    Offense don't win championship, defense does. If a defense can get the stops when they need to, they usually win the games.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    WACMajor,

    And Alabama's defense has carried them.

    What works for Alabama is good enough for me!

  • steeleute Sandy, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    DeepBlue:

    And remind of what the head-to-head record has been in that span. I forget.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    What would be interesting would be to take all opponents average defensive yards allowed per game and se how the teams'. Differentials stack up. Do the Utah schools put up more yards and points than their opponts allowed on average?

    A good way to eliminate any SOS issues skewing the numbers. Obviously BYU and Utah played similar opponents until two seasons ago, but bowl games and non-cons also can skew these figures.

    Overall, Utah state is looking good and is making some big improvements. Utah and BYU have been trading off who has better O or D.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    Aug. 20, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    Funny how in every way, including the annual records...

    Utah is in decline.

    Everyone knows it but u fans.

    And they call BYU fans delusional.

    Can't wait to poind the u this year.

    Good luck Aggies,

    Go Cougars!

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    Aug. 20, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    Even with BYU's anemic offense last year, they still had better stats than utah.

    Wow, so two BCS bowls does not make a dynasty.

    Can't wait until until the 9/22 when the ute trolls are all too shell shocked to say anything.

  • chase SL Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    BYU is better than Utah and Utah State. Got it? Good

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    Another pointless article from the DesNews...although this one actually contained pointless statistics to go with it.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    stufoo,

    Ute seniors about to complete the career 4-0 SWEEP!

    When was the last time a byu graduating class won 4 in a row?

    Oh my how the times have changed haven't they?

    byu is a WAC quality program and that is your future

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    Note to BYU fans:

    There is only one stat that matters, and that is the one on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    Aug. 20, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    Chris B

    I know Alabama, and u are no Alabama (not even in your own mind)

    "BYU doesn't have the horses to keep with Utah."

    Funny, that is not what the empirical data of this article showed. BYU across the board was better.

    "Ute seniors about to complete the career 4-0 SWEEP!"

    In your dreams.

    utah has been in decline for 4 years. u won;t bowl this year, and you won;t have a winning season...

    and u won't beat BYU. In fact, I don't even think u'll beat USU.

    Our future is bright, that is why u are so eager to put it down.

    with your incredible insight, maybe they will call you to be the utah coach when Whit gets the can for not being able to perform with all the "horses" u claim no one but u has.

    the buck has to stop somewhere.

    On top of that, I would rather be a BYU fan than u fan EVERYDAY. I have three advanced degrees and none of them garner as much respect as the one from BYU.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Aug. 20, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    I want to be the green team :)

    GO UTES!!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 20, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    Chris B

    And Utah's seniors already sense that they will go be sitting at home for bowl season. Again.

    Doormat, thy middle name is dispair.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    Chris B

    "So if we're a step down from the big boys. You're at least 2 steps away!"

    Nope; even in a bad year, like last year, BYU's offense is still better than Utah's offense.

    If Utah's offense is a step down, BYU's offense is only a half a step down or even.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    Sorry little sister, but Utah's seniors are entering their second bowl-less season, capped by Utah's freshmen beginning a winless streak versus their rival.

    The only thing that's changed from the 80's is instead of losing their bowl game in November, the Utes will now be losing their bowl game to BYU is September.

    Utah wasn't even a good WAC team, and still isn't, going winless against the WAC in their final year as a football conference.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    GoRed

    "There is only one stat that matters, and that is the one on the scoreboard at the end of the game."

    Unfortunately for U that's not true.

    The only stats that really matter are end of season rankings:

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 4

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

  • ShaunMcC La Verkin, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    By quick and rough figuring, over the last 14 years BYU has averaged 41st on offense and 36th on defense and Utah has averaged 29th on offense and 52nd on defense. Pretty much a wash on statistics. Guess it comes down to this years game and this years stats. Guess that's how it feels pretty much every year.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    Can't wait until next week for the season to begin!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    "There is only one stat that matters, and that is the one on the scoreboard at the end of the game."

    Apparently that's the only stat that matters if that's the only stat you have going for you.

    If head-to-head is what it's all about, then BYU is better than Texas and Oklahoma.

    And YMCA is TONS better than Utah.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    Chris B:
    Stop talking about Nick Saban and Alabama as if you know anything about them or follow them...it makes you look bad. Alabama won the NC last year because of a very good offense, with a two headed beast at RB. Their defense was very good statistically but was abused, especially in the secondary, against good QBs like Manzeil and Aaron Murray. The last couple of years werent the offensively impotent Alabama team U beat in the Sugar Bowl (who couldn't throw the ball to save their lives)...the last few years Alabama had, by far, the best O-line in the land, with a good QB and ridiculously talented WRs (remember Julio Jones?). Utah hasn't had any offense to even compare to Alabama's so stop pretending that Utah is, in any way, similar to them by winning with defense. Bama wins on both sides of the ball...that's how you win championships, not just with defense, not just with offense, but both, and Alabama is vastly superior to Utah in BOTH...any attempt at comparisons on either side of the ball to Utah is laughable.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 6:52 p.m.

    Chris B:
    Just FYI, Alabama was 31st in total offense, and 12th in scoring offense last year...but you're right, their defense has carried the likes of McCarron, Lacy, and Amari Cooper to championships....roll eyes.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Aug. 20, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    Uteanymous,

    Remind me again why you only look at the Kyle Bronco ERA and never seem mention BCS bowls, Top 5 finishes, National Coach of the Year, #1 draft picks and head to head results?

    By the way, I think you have copied and pasted those numbers at least a millions times.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    christy

    Utah is no Alabama... just because U beat a disinterested Alabama once, doesn't mean you're even close to being like Alabama.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    U90

    BCS bowl, Top 5 finish, and national coach of the year all occurred during ONE season in the Bronco/Kyle era. #1 draft pick occurred during the Urban Meyer era.

    Kyle gets credit for one great, 13-0, Top 5 season.
    Bronco gets credit for three very good, 11-2, Top 15 seasons.

    btw, Utah fans have boasted about Utah's BCS bowls ad nauseum for years.

    It's like a symphony of two notes.

    Unfortunately for U, 2 BCS bowls will NEVER = 1 National Championship regardless of many millions of times U pound on those two notes.

    BYU reached 10 AP Top 25 Finishes, 1 National Championship, and 1 Heisman Trophy over 20 years ago.

    Call us when the Utes reach any of those milestones. At Utah's current pace, that may not happen for another century, if ever.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    Utah wears red. Alabama wears red. They MUST be equal because both teams wear red!!

    Geesh. That isn't how things work Chris B.

    Utah beat Alabama. Does that make Utah better than Alabama every year? The Utes happened to match up extremely well with Alabama in 2008. However, Alabama matches up very well with so many more teams than the Utes that Alabama will almost always be considered to be superior to Utah.

    The same is often true of BYU. Utah plays its best against BYU. However, those same Utes are liable to tank the season or lose to awful teams.

  • JazzUteFan SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    BYU fans can take scoring more points than the Utes, but I'll go ahead and take going 8-3 over the past 11 years and 3-0 over the past 3 seasons. I think this years match up will be a classic. BYU's front 7 is rock solid, but I think Utah's strengths are at O line, TE and they have solid running backs (especially if York stays healthy) so it'll be interesting to see if Utah can run on BYU's defense. That factor, and whoever makes less mistakes will determine the winner of the game.

  • Don't Feed the Trolls Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 1:12 a.m.

    U 90
    Corona, CA
    Uteanymous,

    Remind me again why you only look at the Kyle Bronco ERA and never seem mention BCS bowls, Top 5 finishes, National Coach of the Year, #1 draft picks and head to head results?

    I'll bite: BYU has more National Coach of the Year awards (3-2), is better in Top 5 finishes (two each, but BYU has a #1 and has been ranked 18 times to Utah's 7), more college HOF players (6-0), more first round draft picks (11-7), (You aren't really going to brag on Alex Smith and compare him to the host of BYU All-American QB's, college and NFL HOF QBs are you?) and unless you count the leather helmet era before BYU surpassed Utah academically and wasn't yet a University, is better head-to-head. (Do you count victories over Boise when they were a JC?)

  • Don't Feed the Trolls Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 1:19 a.m.

    JazzUteFan
    SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    BYU fans can take scoring more points than the Utes, but I'll go ahead and take going 8-3 over the past 11 years and 3-0 over the past 3 seasons.

    Yeah, start with the BAD Crowton years. You guys can't even count Crowton's first year when BYU won! Why not compare the Lovat and Edwards years? Crowton isn't at BYU anymore, and Urban isn't at Utah. Be content with 5-3 during the Whittingham-Bronco years, while you can.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    One thing not mentioned (big surprise) is the level of competition. For the last 2 years the cougs and aggs have been beating up and running up the score on the states of Idaho, New Mexico and Nevada. Ok, not Nevada but you get my point. While the Utes are dealing with the likes of USC, UCLA and ASU each week.

    Just say'n.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    utahcountyute

    "One thing not mentioned (big surprise) is the level of competition."

    More whiny excuses about "level of competition" from the hill kids?

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012; Utah only played TWO.

    UCLA(6-8) and ASU(6-7) both had LOSING seasons in 2011 and USC(7-6) wasn't much better in 2012.

    And U also forgot to mention Utah "running up the score" on 10- and 11-loss Colorado, Washington State, and Big Sky teams.

    The spin and hyperbole from the hill never stops.

    Just say'n.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Aug. 21, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    Compliments to the author, you are providing excellent data.

    We have seen defensive statistics and offensive statistics. Now we need end of season ranking and strength of schedule. I wonder if it is possible to clearly chart preseason rankings along with end of season rankings to evaluate if teams met or exceeded expectations each year. Perhaps number of wins could be charted on the same graphic as strength of schedule.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 21, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    No surprise here; with rare exceptions, BYU has had a better offense than Utah since the LaVell Edwards era began.

    More fuel for the fire...

    College Football Rankings: The Top 50 2013 Team Schedule Posters

    #10 BYU

    didn't make the cut Utah

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 21, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    utahcountyute
    Cedar Hills, UT

    One thing not mentioned (big surprise) is the level of competition. For the last 2 years the Cougars and Aggies are dealing with the likes of Boise, Notre Dame, Oregon State and Wisconsin (go AGGIES!). While the Utes have been beating up and running up the score on the likes of Washington State and Colorado.

    Oh.

    Wait a minute. U LOST to Colorado? And eked out an overtime win at Wazzu? And that was your good season???

    What are u guys gonna do this year when u finally DO play a true PAC schedule?

    Just say'n.

  • Lionute Payson, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    Rankings? Please someone help me. When do they count. The final ranking? For example, SJSU finished ranked in the final poll. They spent a total of one week in the poll. Utah State spent two weeks in the polls. Utah State was not ranked when Utah played them. BYU was ranked when Utah played them. Same can be said for UCLA. Arizona and Washington were both ranked during the season. In fact Arizona spent as much time in the polls as USU. So my question is when do they count. I don't know, but I am under the impression they are nothing more than opinions from selected coaches and sports writers. In my opinion the only ranking that matters is if your team, Alabama the past two years, finishes on top of the final rankings. With my calculations, Utah played BYU, USC, OSU, UCLA, Washington, USU, and Arizona. Thats 7 teams that were ranked last year. So when do they count. Yes I understand some teams peak early and some late. Injuries can add to the confusion. I'm not looking for an argument, just some to tell me when they count with some good rationale to defend their view.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Pre-season and mid-season rankings are simply a snap-shot of projected or current state.

    Some teams start off hot, then cool off. Others struggle early, then finish the season strong. The point is, nobody knows just how a good a particular team, or their opponents, is until their entire body of work can be evaluated. 2012 pre-season AP #1 USC finished the season 7-6 with a loss to Georgia Tech(7-7) in the Sun Bowl. No reasonable fan would try to claim that their team played a ranked USC team just because the Trojans were ranked before USC demonstrated that they didn't deserve to be ranked.

    A team that started the season 6-0, but finished 6-6, would never try to claim that they had an undefeated season.

    A team that was 6-6 before their bowl, but lost their bowl game, still finished 6-7 with a losing record. It doesn't matter whether you slipped below .500 in your first game of the season or your last, you still finished with a losing record.

    Final ranking is the only ranking that counts.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Aug. 21, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    Looking at the those numbers, one thing jumped out at me.
    That 2001 Cougar offense was really, really good.
    And they could have put up even bigger numbers had Doman and Staley not spent half the 3rd and entire 4th quarters on the bench in a handful of the games.
    Had they been able to stay healthy (Staley, leg; Doman; shoulder), they could have had a really special season.

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @DeepBlue
    Yet, how many BCS bowl wins does BYU have?

  • mattb7 Sterling, VA
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    These are very interesting data to factor into explaining a couple of other stats: Utah beating BYU 13 of the last 20 games and seven of the last 10. I recognize that these stats are just about winning--you know, whole team effort rather than just one-half.