I am puzzled as to why the church would bring out the 1st counselor in the
presidency and the church relief society president to open up a Deseret
industries store. Is it really that big of a deal? The podium looks like they
trucked it down from the new church conference center. A bit over the top for
my tastes. The church walks a fine line here because they don't want to
appear like they are exploiting this for publicity sake. Personally I think the
local stake president could have spoken just as eloquently and gotten the job
done just fine. In England there are thousands of these thrift/ donate to the
needy stores. In Utah it seems to be only big organizations like the church or
some health entity that can muster what it takes to do these services. I wish
them great success. May lots of people be helped because of this facility.
I have been very critical of these employment stores recently. I suppose some
of that came from not fully understanding what was behind them. It is fair for
the LDS Church to say that people like me needed to do some more research into
them. But it is not also fair for people like me to wonder how in
the world a dedication of a Deseret Industries building took place today and the
community had no idea? If the LDS Church wants to share its message
that Deseret Industries truly helps people, then it would be wise to consider
some helpful suggestions. I suggest the LDS Church consider
announcing open houses for Deseret Industries buildings ahead of time and give
priority to those not of the LDS faith to tour them and see what they are all
about. I suggest the LDS Church devote a portion of its website to
specific, detailed explanations regarding Deseret Industries and its purpose.
I suggest the LDS Church also reach out into the community and
assist those not of its faith. It should not require a visit to an LDS bishop
to get access to these services.
There are a number of reasons I express this concern: One, people
cannot always afford to reach out openly for help due to a sensitive situation,
such as abused spouses. Two, the LDS Church gives tours of Temple
Square locations, Welfare Square facilities, local meetinghouses and temples in
open houses. But the LDS Church, for some reason, does not do so with Deseret
Industries. Why not? It seems to me like the LDS Church has nothing to hide.
Why create suspicion? Three, much of the regional area at large had
no idea this was happening. It was only opened up, says the article, to
"700 invited guests and dignitaries." What is this, a temple
dedication? Since when do only invited guests and dignitaries get to go to
something like this? And the LDS Church wonders why people question what is
going on here. I know how things are going to go here, though. The
LDS bandwagon comments will argue otherwise. It won't matter. These are legitimate concerns. They are not insulting or anti-Mormon, merely
concerns that have arisen out of mistakes being made, because LDS people are
human too. Ignoring, minimizing, or rationalizing them will not
Meanwhile in the stake next to mine there are meetinghouses that are 100 miles
from any bishop's storehouse. Unless the Philadelphia employment center is
finally staffed and open again, the nearest one from my house is 100 miles away.
Deseret Industries is one of many Church programs that, when set up, served a
majority of Church members. But like most of them, it hasn't kept up with
a growing Church and its needs.
Whoa, lots of stressing-out in the comments here.I got just the
opposite feeling reading this article. I loved that there were so many invited
guest--700--from the community. And that a member of the First Presidency, a
member of the Seventy, the general RS President and the Presiding Bishop all
came and spoke. I remember my first tour of the center near Redwood
Road and 21st South. SO many workers who were refugees from African countries.
So many volunteers making quilts or putting together fabric for quilts for
people to come and take home to make.So many people packing boxes with supplies
they were shipping with an Islamic group who where flying them for humanitarian
aid. It was amazing.I invite the previous posters who have issues to
go take a tour and then volunteer at that center, (or any of the others that
accept volunteers). If you don't get a sense of wonder and
appreciation and feel you heart softened, then I guess my pity would be for you
and your cynical view of life and cynical view of the good the LDS Church tries
I really, really can't understand how someone might conclude that the
Church needs to be "more open" about the opening of a new Deseret
Industries. It's a *thrift store.* Its purpose is to help people get back
on their feet. That's the big mystery! If you need more information, shop
there! Or fill out an application and get a job there! Good grief.
To Windsor...Please read my comments. They are feedback given to
help. As a matter of fact, I did attempt to do a tour and
volunteer. The employees and volunteers were friendly, the items cheap and of
decent quality, but the place was so busy and understaffed I could not get
anyone who was free for more than a few seconds to show me around or see if
there was something I could help out with.Furthermore, I tried twice
more with similar results. I was also told that I could not obtain information
or assistance from LDS Employment Services unless I was either an LDS Church
member or had visited with the bishop. That seems excessively difficult for
just a few general information pamphlets and worksheets.If I sound a
little like I am "stressing out," don't I have a right to be at
some point? I wish you all would stop talking like these facilities are run
flawlessly. People are trying hard, but there is much that falls through the
cracks. I just ask people to admit when things weren't handled
properly and apologize. That's all I ask.
Brother Benjamim,I am highly critical of the LDS church with many
things, but I don't share any of your complaints on this one.YOu don't have to be a Mormon to "have access to these
services"Walk in. They'll let you. And no, they wont make
sure you're a Mormon before letting you in.Try it out.YOu want a publicized official period of tours before it opens?Its
a cheap thrift store.You're 1 in a million if you truly wish
for a preview of the store before it opens."I suggest the LDS
Church devote a portion of its website to specific, detailed explanations
regarding Deseret Industries and its purpose"They have that.I found it with a 2 second google search.Were you less
successful?On some doctrinal issues(temples among others) I'll
argue with the Mormons all day long.Here you're trying to make
up things to complain about though.
There will always be people who complain, who find fault and who disagree with
any subject. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in my estimation
as close to perfection as any organization can get and yet they are humble,
always willing to help and listen and yet there are those people who use
criticism easily...Much prayer, work, organizing and employing goes with
preparing the building and opening of one of these fine structures. What a
difference it has made in my life at times and I see no room...anywhere for
criticism. It is what it is...wonderful and helps thousands of people in need.
Try it - you might find and learn something new.
I am so very thankful to Deseret Insuctries - not only for the help that has
give our family budget to beautify home and buy clothes that are needed but also
for employment. Many workers who work at the DI cannot find work elsewhere
because of poor work habits of other circumstances. If they become dependable
workers, do not steel, and do not come to work drunk or stoned, they have the
opportunity to go to school, maintian a C grade, and have financial help while
doing so. Plus, if ones leaves the DI wih a good record they leave with a
recommendation and in many cases the DI will halp in finding one a job
elsewhere. Find fault with the DI as one may want - but the DI is an influence
for good - a great good!
The DI here in Layton (and the one in Sandy appears to be of similar size and
mission, including the Employment services building attached, etc) has done
countless good for our community. I belong to a ward that has appartments very
close to this facility, and a lot of folks down on their luck have found
employment and assistance in career education for even better job opportunities
at the facility. They give so much back to the community at large. They also are
a great place for charitable donations, and have decent used items as well.
Right now I'm wearing shorts and a shirt I got there, not that I can't
buy new, but because I like the ecclectic and unique offerings one finds at the
D.I. For me, it's like a treasure hunt. :) Another little known
fact about DI facilities is that despite the many vouchers that bishops give
underprivileged members for assistance, each DI facility is required to maintain
a positive balance sheet. Meaning they cover their own expenses, without being a
drain on church resources. It's a great cause, a great place to
volunteer, a great assistance to those in need.
Another DI in UT is news? Well, fine. But I still
wonder what we are doing to help feed starving LDS and non-LDS children in less
developed countries and if we are limiting the number of missionaries in less
developed countries because the temporal needs are so great.
Can't help but "feel" the difference in the approach to helping the
"poor and needy" the Church takes in contrast to that which the
Thrift stores get dedicated?
Re: mountain man Why don't you start one ?
Can't help but "feel" the difference in the approach to helping the
"poor and needy" the Church takes in contrast to that which some other
Churches take!Why all the thrift stores in Utah where people are
relatively well off? Do we only help our own? Why no store in Detroit? Why zero
stores in underdeveloped countries where people really need them?
@Truthseeker"But I still wonder what we are doing to help feed
starving LDS and non-LDS children in less developed countries..."Number One. The Church is doing plenty to help starving children in less
developed countries.Number Two. I have news for you: There are
plenty of starving people right here in Utah in dire need of help.
Bro Benjamin,I don't understand why you want a tour of a
Deseret industries store. I don't know why you would want to volunteer
there but I'm sure if you are a church member in good standing with a
temple recommend and a bishops endorsement some accommodation could be made for
you to volunteer. These stores are a training ground for the
unemployable. People who cannot get jobs. They help them learn computer
skills, English skills and job searching skills. You likely will never get the
level of customer service at these stores that you would other normal stores who
can hand pick their workers based on education, experience and connections.
My problem down here in Arizona is that they "employ"; or
"train" illegals. They don't enquire if the person applying for
help is here legally. Also I have a problem with the practice of paying
"handicapped" employees less than minimum wage. When my mother worked
there, she earned minimum wage up till she used up her allowed time to be with
D.I. She was then classified as handicapped to allow her to stay on, and her pay
was cut by 2/3rds. (she was severely epileptic) She still did the same quality
of work and amount, but because they could legally cut her pay, they did. All
the while she tried to provide for my 3 brothers. That was totally suspect
garbage move by them just to save $$$. I was going to complain to Salt Lake
leadership, but she begged me not to, afraid she would be "let go" and
she liked working there.