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  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    Hurray! Another rich person to tell us what we should be doing. Never hurts to have "daddy warbucks" in the back pocket. Claim to be a "Republican" and then offer opposing views of the party. I suppose I can claim to be a "Democrat" and then turn around and demand an end to abortions. After all people, murdering children is soo in the past. Get with the future.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    hey Abby - how does it feel to be used as a propaganda toy for the most radical, left wing, station in America? MSNBC - the station that is caught editing news to fit their looney left agenda. MSNBC - the home of Chris Mathews... enough said.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    This is a relatively new approach by the left.
    Megan McCain, Ana Navarro and Abby Huntsman are pitched as Republican spokeswomen, which they are not. They represent the left-leaning element of the party, affectionately known as RINOs.
    But MSNBC puts a mic on them and asks them about same-gender marriage or abortion or amnesty or gun control or Obamacare or....
    Whatever their answer happens to be is the one that they claim should be the official GOP position. Anyone to the right of their answer is a Tea Partier, too extreme to be taken seriously.
    In other words, the left-leaning media is attempting to marginalize the GOP mainstream using these RINOs as pawns.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    I suppose it was either work for them or the "enquirer". Both have about the same amount of credibility.

    Have any of them (besides Jon Sr.)EVER held a real job?

  • Fishback Salt Lake City, Ut
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Congratulations Abby! Great to have a graduate of East High School co-host a national political talk show at such a young age. Very impressed with your ability to articulate issues and relate them to public policy.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    The summary for this article states that she is the new conservative voice on MSNBC's show "The Cycle". There is where the fallacy starts. I am an LDS conservative who is a strong supporter of traditional marriage and I am not pro-choice. Considering she came from the Huffington Post which was started by Ariana Huffington who went from being conservative to liberal, I'm sure Abby Huntsman is not a conservative. MSNBC continues to trail Fox News and they figure that if they get some RINOS to come on board, it will improve their ratings. I would much rather listen to true conservatives on Fox News than RINOs who pretend to be Republicans but they really aren't.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    Right! And the women of Faux news are sooo very different!
    Congrats Abby! You have been around for several years, working hard to reach your goals.
    Lots of famous people have children trying to make something of themselves. Everyone has to work hard to get there. Some make it and some don't.

  • Fishback Salt Lake City, Ut
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    BO, Patriot, and Liberal - who are the voices of the Republican Party today? Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Coulter? Cruz? Bachman? Romney? Palin? The GOP has never elected a President, nor had a respectable national leader that spews the nonsense from today's voices in the party. Since the 1988 election (when Rush was nationally syndicated), the GOP has only won the popular vote once and becoming increasingly difficult based on unfavorable future demographics.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    If the Republican Party that these ostensible Republicans don't like is the T-Party, then where do they think the Republicans would be today in Congress without the T-Party? Maybe these Republicans are just the new version of the old doormat Republicans of the pre-Reagan past who liked being in the continual minority and accepting scraps thrown them by the Democrats leading Congress. It wasn't until Newt Gingrich and the contract with America in the early 90's that got the Republicans the House for the first time in about 40 years. Many didn't seem to know what to do with a majority leadership. That by the way is when I think the media decided to begin their partisan advocacy of Democrats as part of their regular news coverage. Anyway, it seems to me that to be a boring moderate Republican is to be a loser when it comes to the Presidency.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    @ Fishback
    As a fellow East High alum from the days of Martha Raddatz and Roseann Barr I was schooled in critical thinking. The voice of the GOP can be found in the platform. It speaks in favor of traditional marriage and smaller government. It opposes abortion and amnesty.
    To that end your list is pretty good. You forgot Mike Lee and Jason Chaffetz. Does the GOP position bother you? Or are you just trying to make the Republicans more palatable by turning them into Democrats-Lite?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 13, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    When moderate Republicans arouse such antipathy for fearlessly expressing their views, it just goes to show how determined the extreme right is to keep the party on the extreme right. That's good news for Democrats.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    re:Fishback

    Who is the voice of the GOP? I have no idea and I could care less. Here is a better question - who is the voice of conservative America today? You are trying ever so hard to tie conservative Americans to the GOP and perhaps that was the case during the Reagan years but it certainly isn't today. Today conservatives look to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul,Paul Ryan and in some cases Marco Rubio. I would say Rush Limbaugh is the most articulate voice on radio for conservative values. Obviously progressive socialist's like yourself HATE conservatives and feel much more comfortable with your own kind (Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Maxine Watters, and of course all your Marxist friends on MSNBC). You suggest that the GOP needs to lower itself to the level of over 50% of the low information clueles Americans so they can win elections. Well u are probably correct - many in the GOP want to do just that but DO NOT include conservative Americans in that crowd. President Gordon B Hinckley wrote a book entitled "Stand for Something". There comes a time when you must stand for something rather than falling for anything...

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Aug. 13, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    I wonder if Abby were asked, “Are you a Republican?”, if she would answer the same way her father Jon did when asked “Are you a Mormon?” by saying, “Well…that’s tough to define.”

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 13, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    @patriot – “how does it feel to be used as a propaganda toy for the most radical, left wing, station in America? MSNBC - the station that is caught editing news to fit their looney left agenda.”

    If she’s not sure she could call Megan Kelly.

    And since MSNBC no doubt went to school on Fox, all this sounds less like a rant and more like a backhanded compliment.

    So are we better off now that we have whole stations devoted to partisan spin, or would we be better off getting back to neutral (as possible) journalism with knowledgeable show host who possess the ability to call out lies and spin?

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    It's disappointing. MSNBC is the laughing stock of the news world today. Their extreme left wing bias is so obvious it makes their "news" all come into question. Enjoy your stint Ms Huntsman, MSNBC will not last long, nobody with any brains even watches this lowest rated news network. But then, I suppose if Jon Huntsman has influenced his daughter, she's lost anyway, as in Jon who will likely change parties and become a born again lefty-Democrat.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    I suggest the best course is to not label or characterize this young woman and to evaluate her statements and opinions based on their merit.

    That said, to those who are quick to narrow the scope being a Republican or Conservative, I'd ask what is your plan to ever have any political power. If you are content with pushing away anyone who disagrees with you on any point, you'll likely have to be content with forever being the minority voice in a representative government, without the opportunity to effect much, if any, change.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Is this the same DimWit who said that she hopes the LDS church relaxes their standards and allows ever T,D,and H into the temple? She's not only an embarrassment to real conservatives, but a huge embarrassment to the LDS faith.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    Everyone has a right to their opinion, even "radical left and radical right". Abby Huntsman has shown strength to take the pot shots thrown out by many. She is aware that people as some kind of traitor.
    Can anyone recall Mr. Hinckley advising only Republican Mormons to stand for issues they felt strongly about?
    Progressives and Democrats are standing strong for what they feel is right, as well.
    Frequently, Republicans chose to bring religion to the forefront of their discussions. Could they express their views by simply saying "this it the right thing to do. History has shown us the correct pathway'.
    Early Patriots left their prior homelands. The risked all to come to America to be able to think on their own without religion and one sided views constantly dictating and frightening them, their families and neighbors. These are MAJOR reasons they left!
    We are fortunate here in America to have two distinct political parties. Thankfully, well educated individuals, such as Abby Huntsman, are providing the public with numerous viewpoints of important issues.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 13, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Abby Huntsman already earning praise

    Now that is news. I didn't know that anyone on the official looney left propaganda artery earned anything.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    re:Tyler D

    Megan Kelly is a lawyer and also clerked for the US Supreme Court. Name someone on MSNBC that comes close to that. I know Chris Mathews graduated in Cheerleading from liberal tech but that is about the extent of the credentials for your beloved Marxist propaganda media outlet. MSNBC is on the bottom of the barrel ratings wise and FOX is at the top. What does that tell you? Anything??? Probably not.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    Seems to be the best way to fix the Rep party is to change it to be more like the Dems. **read my sarcasm in there**

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    LOL at the assertion she is a conservative. Neither is her father. They want to change the republican party to match their liberal (they falsely call themselves moderates" agenda so they attack actual conservatives. Of course that is the method they use to try and curry favor with the liberal press as well.

    She's a bad joke, as is her father and all "republicans" like them.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    MSNBC, the perfect home for a liberal. And thanks DesNews for keeping us all abreast of Jon Jr and his family. Hope you're getting paid for this.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:19 p.m.

    patriot,

    "....I know Chris Mathews graduated in Cheerleading from liberal tech but that is about the extent of the credentials."
    ______________________________

    Matthews served on the Congressional staff of Utah Senator Frank Moss, then later worked in the White House during the Carter Administration.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    It's not hard to see from some of these mean-spirited rants why Miss Huntsman left Utah. I guess it would be too nice to wish her well in her new job.

    What's the sound of a shrinking tent? "RINO! RINO! RINO!"

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    By the way, this is the same Abby Huntsman who, in an interview with Brian Williams, made it clear that she is no longer affiliated with the LDS Church and wants our temples to be open to the public and for the Church to be more modern and keep up with the times. Likewise, she (and her dad) want the Republican Party to move away from its platform and become more like...Democrats. Surprised she's on MSNBC, the news agency for the radical left?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    Looks like she has become another tool in the george soros toolbox being used to attack the repub party. I doubt the most solidly national barack channel will let her ever say anything negative about BO or the dems no matter how much they let her go off on conservatives.

    Let’s roll
    No political power? Speaker of the house is no power? Governor mansions and statehouses of many if not most states? No power? Really?

    The Rock,
    Compared to what else they have there, I guess she should earn praise, but she is still a tool.

    Patriot,
    Don’t bother with Tyler D, he insists CO2 is pollution.

    Craig Clark
    Moss and Carter, huh? Cannot get much lower of a recommendation than that.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    MSNBC, huh? A PERFECT network for her to work out. What in the name of Keith Olbermann is going on here?

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    @Mark B

    And I guess anyone who disagrees with you is an extremist?

    What is that sound, "EXTREMIST! EXTREMIST!", it is the sound of the intolerant and hateful tent of the left.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Aug. 13, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    @ Fishback - Salt Lake City, Ut - "BO, Patriot, and Liberal - who are the voices of the Republican Party today? Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Coulter? Cruz? Bachman? Romney? Palin? The GOP has never elected a President, nor had a respectable national leader that spews the nonsense from today's voices in the party. Since the 1988 election (when Rush was nationally syndicated), the GOP has only won the popular vote once and becoming increasingly difficult based on unfavorable future demographics."

    Good point. We (conservatives) have won only one populuar vote since 1988. And I'd come back and say 1988 was about the time that the liberals on the left started to actively/agressively push an unfettered liberal agenda through control of 99% of our nation's media outlets.

    See the connection?...

    How long, Lord, how long? Seriously, how long?...

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Aug. 13, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    To 1conservative,

    You made an inappropriate analogy, and that is you lowered the creditability of the Enquirer to the level of MSNBC. The Enquirer is a lot more credible than MSNBC ever dreamed of being.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    To everyone who always mock Fox News' "Fair and Balanced" mantra, at least they have people like Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes, Lanny Davis, and many other diehard liberals come on the shows pretty much every day. They get beat up and shouted down, but at least they get invited.

    I've seen the so-called Republicans and conservatives on MSNBC, but I have yet to see any of them engage in real debate or opposition to any of the claptrap on that channel. Almost always, they're disaffected in some way, apologizing for fellow Republicans, as if anyone asked them to do so.

    MSNBC is so convinced of their ideological worldview they can never consider an actual opposing viewpoint, but they'll listen to those who are slightly less extreme. Ann Huntsman is their predictable style of "opposition." I think she's great, but let's not pretend this moves the balance needle at that network very much.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Aug. 13, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    She doesn't sound like a conservative to me. And as for Stanley Crouch's comments, it's not the place of anyone outside the GOP to tell the GOP what is "extreme."

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    The real story: A young woman from Utah is working for a liberal broadcaster, and conservative Utahans (mostly men) rally on their church's newspaper's website to rail on and defame her.

    That is the attitude that is costing Republicans elections. That is reason that most young adults are Democrats or moderates. That is the reason that Republicans will probably lose the 2016 Presidential election. Negative attitudes (sexism, racism, xenophobia, hatred and fear of the opposition) have been attached to the party, and the party need's to makeover it image. No, it needs to find its soul.

    Best of luck on MSNBC, Ms. Huntsman. Whether they agree with you or not, REAL Republicans will treat you with civility and respect (which are virtues that were once espoused by the GOP), and are proud of the good work that you do.

  • VA Saint Chester, VA
    Aug. 13, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    Interesting. I'm not a fan of the Huntsmans anyway.

  • SteveOrr4576 Wayzata, MN
    Aug. 13, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    MSNBC's Alan Colmes.

    Alan Colmes seems like a decent, sincere man. But he lacked the passion & charisma needed to be an effective advocate...which is precisely why FOX wanted him.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    The ultra right wing conservative writers above don't realize that they are the ones that are destroying our Constitution.
    The Constitution is a product of compromise. It is for all the people, not just the religious right.
    Huntsman is a moderate. Most Americans are moderates.
    The religious right wingers have had their 15 minutes. The pendulum is moving back to the middle.
    Abby Huntsman has a brain and an opinion. She has that right. No pun intended.
    I applaud Abby for being open in her opinions.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    The vitriol on this particular blog is disheartening and probably one reason why are nation is heading the wrong direction.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 10:25 p.m.

    @ Oatmeal...

    I agree with your comments...

    Some of the comments found here demonstrate the fact that ultra conservatives (Tea Partiers) truly are waging a war on women..

    Interesting evidence herein....

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 13, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    “Huntsman wants the Republican Party, her Republican Party, to sensibly get with today, to tune out the extremists who have taken over the party,”

    Ms Huntsman - you mean those "extremists" who believe the U.S. Constitution should be adhered to? And those "extremists" who believe in fiscal responsibility, freedom, and "We The People" instead of YOU the government? You mean those "extremists" who want to actually secure our borders, and want a military that can defend this country?? Are those the "extremists" who you are talking about??

  • BB4683 Patchogue, NY
    Aug. 13, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    Abby: Congrats on a great start in media. You and your dad are not liberal loons like many of the right wing extremists are saying but sensible Republicans. If more Republicans were like you and your dad, the party would be a lot more viable and competitive. Keep up the great work!

  • rvb CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    "Megan Kelly is a lawyer and also clerked for the US Supreme Court. Name someone on MSNBC that comes close to that."
    Check out the resume of Rachel Maddow. Compare to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Kelly, etc. I think she comes "close".

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    patriot, what do you expect? Abby Huntsman work for the most reactionary, fringe-right wing media outlet in the country--Fox News? I'm sorry but you are basically the pot calling the kettle black.

  • rbgntx Kaufman, TX
    Aug. 14, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    I have not watched the program but find laughable the some of the comments. Anyone who does not march in lockstep with the, so called, conservative wing is immediately labeled with the dreaded RINO tag. Seems the vaunted Republican big tent continues to shrink. Lets see only one line of thought permitted, no tolerance for outside opinion where have I heard that before? Oh yeah that worked well for the former Soviet Union. Current "conservative" thinking reminds me of a line from an old "MASH" episode. In the words of the immortal Maj. Frank Burns,"unless we follow our leaders blindly, unless we all obey, we can never be free."

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 6:50 a.m.

    MSNBC?

    Zero credibility.

    Zero!

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    I am not under 30, I am not a woman, and I am not a Republican... However I wonder how many young capable women that hold a lot of views that align with the Republican party would think if they read these comments...

    The desire for ideological purity, the ad hominum attacks, the "small tent" mentality... is it any wonder that on a national level some Republican strategists see a demographic time bomb sitting under the GOP?

    There are not enough old, angry, white males left in American to win a national office using the politics of fear and separation.

    Like I said, I am not a Republican, so I guess it is not my problem, but if I see the train wreck coming, why don't more Republicans?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 14, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    Right on tdlawton. The disaster isn't hard to see at all. BTW amidst all the tea party clatter the Republicans nominated Romney a moderate. The only reason he was accepted in Utah was because of his religion. The voices you hear on this thread belittling Ms. Huntsman and denigrating MSNBC are extreme and uniformed.

    Fair and balanced? Just last night Chris Hayes (a Brown graduate), was talking about the NC voter laws and had on the state representative who wrote the law. When talking about the new drug law rules he had on the person from the Bush administration responsible for drug enforcement speaking against the new rules (good deal for drug dealers). I often don't fully agree with Mr. Hayes but I know I can count on an informed discussion on his program...never seen that depth of discussion on Fox.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Who's waging the war on women? Not a single comment on this thread attacks Huntsman because of her gender. Not one. Yet, so many claim the GOP has a "war on women" because she has been criticized for her political leanings. How utterly insulting to women everywhere to act as though criticizing professional women in the same manner as their male counterparts is inappropriate because of their gender. Just another typical liberal strategy - separate voting blocs by race, gender, and economic status, demean them by categorizing them as defenseless victims, then claim the GOP is waging war on them.

    Although there's a growing class of self-imposed victims that will keep Democrats viable, strong women don't need your victim label and condescending protection. I suspect Abby Huntsman can take the criticism, and would reject the ridiculous notion that it's disrespectful to women to criticize her. But, if she stays with MSNBC long, that could very possibly change.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 14, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    It is interesting to note the anger that seems to define the far right in Utah, evident by these posts. It is also interesting to note the religious pride that seeps through some of the comments. It appears that it is a worse offense in Utah not to be the right kind of LDS Republican than it is to be a garden-variety liberal.

  • RDJntx Austin, TX
    Aug. 14, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    it is amazing to me, how some continue to foist their religious beliefs off on others and are so ready to condem others that don't believe as they do. The church (LDS) has always been about "tolerance and love" but to so many LDS members it is "tolerance and love* *as long as you believe as I do and agree with me.

    I am FOR traditional marriage. but it is not my call to condem others who may not believe that way.

    I am AGAINST abortion, I will council against it when asked, but I am pro-choice because for those who do not believe as I do, they have a legal right to that choice. it is the law of the land, you know the one that we believe in honoring and sustaining.

    the extreme positions of the T-party and the far religious right are the reasons I left the republican party. it is the reason their support is declining, their influence mocked. they need to get with the program before it is too late. not that the Dems are any better mind you.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    It's the economy. We can pretend all we want that Barack Obama won because Republicans failed to sell themselves to women or whatever, but economics is ultimately why Republicans are struggling right now. Republicans definitely like to squander the hard earned money of taxpayers, but they do so on a MUCH lower scale than Democrats, and it has devastated them at the polls. Barack Obama has doubled food stamp spending in this country since W was in office. That's why he won the election. Mitt Romney promised to cut off all kinds of special interests. That's why he lost. Plain and simple. My prediction, another MSNBC program will fail miserably because it fails to address the real problem in Washington, which is an economic problem. The whole Republican war on women shtick is getting old.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    @TMR - below are a few golden nuggets from liberals or Democrats on this thread:

    "Some of the comments found here demonstrate the fact that ultra conservatives (Tea Partiers) truly are waging a war on women..
    The ultra right wing conservative writers above don't realize that they are the ones that are destroying our Constitution." Owlmaster2

    "The voices you hear on this thread belittling Ms. Huntsman and denigrating MSNBC are extreme and uniformed." Pragmatistferlife

    "There are not enough old, angry, white males left in American to win a national office using the politics of fear and separation." tdlawton

    "...the most reactionary, fringe-right wing media outlet in the country--Fox News" Kings Court

    "What's the sound of a shrinking tent? "RINO! RINO! RINO!" Mark B

    "The GOP has never elected a President, nor had a respectable national leader that spews the nonsense from today's voices in the party." Fishback

    I realize many liberals live under the delusion that criticism of conservatives is merely accurate commentary, whereas criticism of liberals is "anger" and "religious pride." Seems you're either a pot or a kettle, and don't realize it.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 14, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    TMR,

    "...It appears that it is a worse offense in Utah not to be the right kind of LDS Republican than it is to be a garden-variety liberal."
    ______________________________

    I've known so many Mormon Republicans who talk as though political and social conservatism is an absolute tenet of the faith. They quote General Authorities to back up that view without taking into account that a high percentage of Church leaders come from professional backgrounds as successful businessmen who naturally tend to be more conservative.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 14, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    To LetsDebate: no doubt there are those on the left who are just as unreasonable as those on the right; however, it does seem pretty clear to me that those on the right play the religion card far more often, especially in LDS society (I agree with Craig Clark). There are multiple posts on this article that refer to their own affiliation with the LDS church or refer to Huntsman's activity or lack thereof in the church as some sort of contextual premise on which to evaluate his politics or the politics of his daughter(s). It strikes me that such a posture is no less than religious arrogance.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Abby lives the life she has chosen to live.

    Different strokes for different folks.

    No problem.

    BTW... thanks to those special DN readers, for reminding her why she decided to move on...

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Let’s roll,
    Your initial comment said REPUBLICAN or conservative – you did not distinguish then, why are you doing so now. But to more fully answer your question, a RINO is better than a dem; not much, but some.

    You really think Obamacare would have passed had nancy not been the speaker? NO legislation gets through the house that the speaker does not allow to come before that body.

    Something positive from the current speaker? He has held BO in check. Stopping, or at least slowing, the decline is very positive!

    And please, where did I say ANYTHING about her faith or lack thereof. I suspect the church you attend also teaches against false accusations – along with the proscription on bearing false witness.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    @VST

    I have been a registered Republican since 1979. Thanks for asking.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    @TMR - and, there have been many on this thread that believe they are better Mormons than the conservative brand because they are so open minded and compassionate toward the less fortunate because they believe in taking by governmental force from those who have, and give it to the needy (after administrative fees, waste, fraud, and abuse, of course).

    I guess you see what you want to see, and there is much of self righteousness and judgmentalism on both sides. The references I provided earlier certainly dispel the notion that sanctimonious liberals are a fringe minority. The fact is Abby Huntsman has taken it upon herself to counsel the church on how to better modernize it, even though she is to some extent disaffected from her religion and does not actively participate in it, by her own admission. Likewise, she apparently believes the GOP should be much more like the DNP. She is certainly entitled to her own opinion, but she clearly opened herself up to criticism by faithful members and Republicans.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Only one word needs to be uttered to explain the behavior of many on this comment forum, who are sharing their thoughts about Abby Huntsman...........
    JEALOUSY.

  • StudentofReason SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    To those who claim Abby Huntsman is a RINO: you pushing your party to appeal to a smaller group of ideals held by smaller groups of people. Jon Huntsman was the GOP's best chance at the presidency in 2012, if only extreme elements of the party could remove their blinders and notice. Growing obstinance from fundamentalists and purists are pushing your party to extinction. You should welcome those who are willing to call themselves Republicans--elephants are going extinct.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    @riverofsun

    Jealousy? Of what?

    I view her recent commentary regarding the LDS Church and the Republican Party as selfish, puerile, and offensive. She's entitled to her views just as I'm entitled to criticize them.

    But how is that jealousy? If I wanted to be a liberal woman with a silver spoon in my mouth, I'd understand. But my views regarding her would be no different if she had been born in a ghetto.

    You and your friends in the radical left feel it's your prerogative to spew hate and misinformation, but you can't handle criticism. And your tolerance extends only to those who share your views.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    @StudentofReason

    You're obviously not a student of math.

    Huntsman could only muster support from 2% of the GOP in the 2012 primaries. How did that make him the party's best candidate? 98% of the party disagreed with you.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    MSNBC and FOX are opposite sides of the same coin - neither are reliable sources.

    It is truly sad that people are forced into one camp or the other. I was a lifelong democrat (never have voted for a republican), but that party's attacks on my values and religious freedom have pushed me away. I still cannot sign up with the republicans, mainly becasue of their distain for the poor and downtrodden.

    As a Christian, I cannot support either party totally without betraying my values.

  • StudentofReason SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    I hope the comments on this article educate DNews editors on the character of their (online) readers. Many commenters don't grasp that their Democratic counterparts are also moral and ethical individuals, and instead equate conservatism with the moral high-ground. This demeans all views that don't agree with their own, and is antithetical to compromise and democracy.

    Abby Huntsman voices her concern that this behavior will cripple the party in time, and other Republicans react by wanting to force her out of the party--Your behavior is proving her own point.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    @Oatmeal

    I'm assuming you've never read the comment section at Salt Lake's other prominent newspaper website. Compared to the hate and nastiness over there, the DN comment board is pretty tame.

    Perhaps you're one of those who feel it is actually okay to spew venom, just so long as the people you like are never touched.

  • BB4683 Patchogue, NY
    Aug. 14, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    @MapleDon

    2% sounds like a nice number to pull out of your hat and try to make a point with but it's wrong. Huntsman placed third with 17% in the only primary he ran in, New Hampshire, and the two who beat him, Romney (39%) and Paul (23%) had name recognition from running there in 2008. If Huntsman runs in 2016 he will probably improve on his own 2012 numbers, plus win a good chunk of Romney's 2012 vote. Even if Rand runs and gets Ron's vote, Huntsman could take New Hampshire.

    Numbers aside, there is no doubt Huntsman was their best and most qualified 2012 candidate.

  • StudentofReason SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    MapleDon, Mitt did have more support among conservatives, but all the nation's conservatives did a better job at failing to put him into office than anyone predicted. Jon Huntsman was the *only* conservative candidate who could have garnered substantial minority and moderate votes--which are vital for winning the presidency going forward. You are right that Huntsman would have never made it past the modern conservative primaries, but he's also the only candidate with relatively conservative ideas who could have won a popular vote. Many moderates would have gladly voted for Matheson, but wouldn't touch the rest of the GOP field. Did you see the rest of the Republican candidates in 2012? Most have even banked harder to the right since then. The far-right is forcing the party into a corner they cannot get out of.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    @ClarkHippo:

    There is never a reason to spew venom at anyone, especially those we disagree with. To do so weakens our own arguments. And it is just plain wrong. Have we all forgotten the concept of civility in public discourse? Or the Golden Rule? We are all the children of the same God. And we should act like it, even when posting comments on a newspaper story.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 14, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    @LetsDebate, It's hardly anger when I say those who belittle and denigrate are extreme and uninformed. Go back and read many of these posts. Calling Abbey a RINO pawn, a pretender, and calling MSNBC, Marxists, looney leftys, radical etc. hardly promotes the "lets debate agenda" and fully qualifies as uninformed..Marxists, loonies, radical..please.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    @ Lost in DC

    Is there a distinction between Conservative principles and Republican principles? I certainly didn't intend to make one, I would hope they would be one and the same. I said I support the promotion of Conservative principles. I would hope my fellow Republicans would be of the same mind.

    That said, it's clear at this point that Republicans need to either enlarge their tent or become accustomed to being the minority party. I'm willing to try to find common ground and make progress on those issues. To me, that's more palatable that pointing to what is not being done in Washington as an accomplishment.

    Finally, I didn't accuse you of anything. I understand Ms. Huntsman has said herself that she has left the Church, hence my comment, which didn't reference you at all. You did call her a "tool" (twice) but I will leave it up to you as to whether you were using that term in a pejorative manner.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    She is one of the reasons that I would NEVER vote for Jon Huntsman Jr.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    @StudentofReason

    I also hope the comments on this article educate DNews editors on the character of their (online) readers. Many commenters don't grasp that their Republican counterparts are also moral and ethical individuals, and instead equate liberalism with the moral high-ground. This demeans all views that don't agree with their own, and is antithetical to compromise and democracy.

    You may want to study Reason a little more, starting with reconsidering that the above paragraph could only be accurately written by your side, as originally posted by you. I also suggest you venture into the real world to see actual venomous postings. DN posts are extremely tame in comparison. Some need to grow thicker skin and realize disagreement does not necessarily equal incivility.

    It seems to me, overall, that conservatives debate ideas, including Huntsman's, while liberal-minded commenters focus on ad-hominem personal attacks of little substance. Conservatives don't like Huntsman's critique of conservatism and the GOP (and some disagree with her critique of their religion), but your response is the critiquers are mean-spirited.

    @pragmatistferlife - that you fail to see the nature of your contribution to the dialogue only proves LetsDebate's point.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    Republicans, with a few exceptions like Trey Gowdy, have gone the way of the liberal in order to gain favor from special interests and win elections. And it's going to bankrupt our nation. Oh well. The sooner we go bankrupt, the sooner we can rebuild. Maybe liberalism isn't such a bad thing after all right now.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    Does anyone here seriously believe she would have gotten the job if her name had not been "Huntsman"?

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Aug. 14, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    This registered Democrat is much more conservative than her.

  • Ugman Lindon / USA, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    I don't respect her at all. I watched her and Lamont Hill laughing and making offensive references to the Mormon underware on a HuffPost production. How she and Mr. Hill can claim tolerance while doing that makes no sense to me.

  • zabivka Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    I think the heart of the matter lies in the fact that really the Huntsmans don't fit in either the Republican or the Democrat party, but because America is in-love with a two-party system, there really isn't room for them anywhere. Jon seems to be fairly conservative fiscally, but I would imagine some of his foreign policies and stances on moral issues would be different from Republicans.

    *Sigh*...If only there were room at the table for Libertarians...I would have taken either Jon Hunstman or Mitt Romney as president over Barack Obama, but it was still unsettling that voting for Gary Johnson would not really be a feasible option.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 16, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Lighten up on her. I know little about MSNBC or Abby Huntsman, but come up with a nice way to disagree with her. Perhaps if you all decided to be civil you would be able to dig down deep and come up with a more credible way to disagree with her.

  • BB4683 Patchogue, NY
    Aug. 16, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    @ Tekakaromatagi

    Well said. Abby and her dad make more sense than most of the GOP. The craziest part is a lot of them would rather lose to Hillary than win behind a semi-moderate like Huntsman.