Hurray! Another rich person to tell us what we should be doing. Never hurts to
have "daddy warbucks" in the back pocket. Claim to be a
"Republican" and then offer opposing views of the party. I suppose I
can claim to be a "Democrat" and then turn around and demand an end to
abortions. After all people, murdering children is soo in the past. Get with the
hey Abby - how does it feel to be used as a propaganda toy for the most radical,
left wing, station in America? MSNBC - the station that is caught editing news
to fit their looney left agenda. MSNBC - the home of Chris Mathews... enough
This is a relatively new approach by the left.Megan McCain, Ana Navarro
and Abby Huntsman are pitched as Republican spokeswomen, which they are not.
They represent the left-leaning element of the party, affectionately known as
RINOs.But MSNBC puts a mic on them and asks them about same-gender
marriage or abortion or amnesty or gun control or Obamacare or....Whatever
their answer happens to be is the one that they claim should be the official GOP
position. Anyone to the right of their answer is a Tea Partier, too extreme to
be taken seriously.In other words, the left-leaning media is attempting to
marginalize the GOP mainstream using these RINOs as pawns.
I suppose it was either work for them or the "enquirer". Both have
about the same amount of credibility.Have any of them (besides Jon
Sr.)EVER held a real job?
Congratulations Abby! Great to have a graduate of East High School co-host a
national political talk show at such a young age. Very impressed with your
ability to articulate issues and relate them to public policy.
The summary for this article states that she is the new conservative voice on
MSNBC's show "The Cycle". There is where the fallacy starts. I am
an LDS conservative who is a strong supporter of traditional marriage and I am
not pro-choice. Considering she came from the Huffington Post which was started
by Ariana Huffington who went from being conservative to liberal, I'm sure
Abby Huntsman is not a conservative. MSNBC continues to trail Fox News and they
figure that if they get some RINOS to come on board, it will improve their
ratings. I would much rather listen to true conservatives on Fox News than
RINOs who pretend to be Republicans but they really aren't.
Right! And the women of Faux news are sooo very different!Congrats Abby!
You have been around for several years, working hard to reach your goals.Lots of famous people have children trying to make something of themselves.
Everyone has to work hard to get there. Some make it and some don't.
BO, Patriot, and Liberal - who are the voices of the Republican Party today?
Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Coulter? Cruz? Bachman? Romney? Palin? The GOP has
never elected a President, nor had a respectable national leader that spews the
nonsense from today's voices in the party. Since the 1988 election (when
Rush was nationally syndicated), the GOP has only won the popular vote once and
becoming increasingly difficult based on unfavorable future demographics.
If the Republican Party that these ostensible Republicans don't like is the
T-Party, then where do they think the Republicans would be today in Congress
without the T-Party? Maybe these Republicans are just the new version of the
old doormat Republicans of the pre-Reagan past who liked being in the continual
minority and accepting scraps thrown them by the Democrats leading Congress. It
wasn't until Newt Gingrich and the contract with America in the early
90's that got the Republicans the House for the first time in about 40
years. Many didn't seem to know what to do with a majority leadership.
That by the way is when I think the media decided to begin their partisan
advocacy of Democrats as part of their regular news coverage. Anyway, it seems
to me that to be a boring moderate Republican is to be a loser when it comes to
@ FishbackAs a fellow East High alum from the days of Martha Raddatz and
Roseann Barr I was schooled in critical thinking. The voice of the GOP can be
found in the platform. It speaks in favor of traditional marriage and smaller
government. It opposes abortion and amnesty. To that end your list is
pretty good. You forgot Mike Lee and Jason Chaffetz. Does the GOP position
bother you? Or are you just trying to make the Republicans more palatable by
turning them into Democrats-Lite?
When moderate Republicans arouse such antipathy for fearlessly expressing their
views, it just goes to show how determined the extreme right is to keep the
party on the extreme right. That's good news for Democrats.
re:FishbackWho is the voice of the GOP? I have no idea and I could
care less. Here is a better question - who is the voice of conservative America
today? You are trying ever so hard to tie conservative Americans to the GOP and
perhaps that was the case during the Reagan years but it certainly isn't
today. Today conservatives look to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul,Paul Ryan and
in some cases Marco Rubio. I would say Rush Limbaugh is the most articulate
voice on radio for conservative values. Obviously progressive socialist's
like yourself HATE conservatives and feel much more comfortable with your own
kind (Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Maxine Watters, and of course all your Marxist
friends on MSNBC). You suggest that the GOP needs to lower itself to the level
of over 50% of the low information clueles Americans so they can win elections.
Well u are probably correct - many in the GOP want to do just that but DO NOT
include conservative Americans in that crowd. President Gordon B Hinckley wrote
a book entitled "Stand for Something". There comes a time when you must
stand for something rather than falling for anything...
I wonder if Abby were asked, “Are you a Republican?”, if she would
answer the same way her father Jon did when asked “Are you a
Mormon?” by saying, “Well…that’s tough to define.”
@patriot – “how does it feel to be used as a propaganda toy for the
most radical, left wing, station in America? MSNBC - the station that is caught
editing news to fit their looney left agenda.”If she’s
not sure she could call Megan Kelly.And since MSNBC no doubt went to
school on Fox, all this sounds less like a rant and more like a backhanded
compliment.So are we better off now that we have whole stations
devoted to partisan spin, or would we be better off getting back to neutral (as
possible) journalism with knowledgeable show host who possess the ability to
call out lies and spin?
It's disappointing. MSNBC is the laughing stock of the news world today.
Their extreme left wing bias is so obvious it makes their "news" all
come into question. Enjoy your stint Ms Huntsman, MSNBC will not last long,
nobody with any brains even watches this lowest rated news network. But then, I
suppose if Jon Huntsman has influenced his daughter, she's lost anyway, as
in Jon who will likely change parties and become a born again lefty-Democrat.
I suggest the best course is to not label or characterize this young woman and
to evaluate her statements and opinions based on their merit.That
said, to those who are quick to narrow the scope being a Republican or
Conservative, I'd ask what is your plan to ever have any political power.
If you are content with pushing away anyone who disagrees with you on any point,
you'll likely have to be content with forever being the minority voice in a
representative government, without the opportunity to effect much, if any,
Is this the same DimWit who said that she hopes the LDS church relaxes their
standards and allows ever T,D,and H into the temple? She's not only an
embarrassment to real conservatives, but a huge embarrassment to the LDS faith.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, even "radical left and radical
right". Abby Huntsman has shown strength to take the pot shots thrown out by
many. She is aware that people as some kind of traitor.Can anyone recall
Mr. Hinckley advising only Republican Mormons to stand for issues they felt
strongly about?Progressives and Democrats are standing strong for what
they feel is right, as well.Frequently, Republicans chose to bring
religion to the forefront of their discussions. Could they express their views
by simply saying "this it the right thing to do. History has shown us the
correct pathway'.Early Patriots left their prior homelands. The
risked all to come to America to be able to think on their own without religion
and one sided views constantly dictating and frightening them, their families
and neighbors. These are MAJOR reasons they left!We are fortunate here in
America to have two distinct political parties. Thankfully, well educated
individuals, such as Abby Huntsman, are providing the public with numerous
viewpoints of important issues.
Abby Huntsman already earning praiseNow that is news. I didn't
know that anyone on the official looney left propaganda artery earned anything.
re:Tyler DMegan Kelly is a lawyer and also clerked for the US
Supreme Court. Name someone on MSNBC that comes close to that. I know Chris
Mathews graduated in Cheerleading from liberal tech but that is about the extent
of the credentials for your beloved Marxist propaganda media outlet. MSNBC is on
the bottom of the barrel ratings wise and FOX is at the top. What does that tell
you? Anything??? Probably not.
Seems to be the best way to fix the Rep party is to change it to be more like
the Dems. **read my sarcasm in there**
LOL at the assertion she is a conservative. Neither is her father. They want to
change the republican party to match their liberal (they falsely call themselves
moderates" agenda so they attack actual conservatives. Of course that is the
method they use to try and curry favor with the liberal press as well.She's a bad joke, as is her father and all "republicans" like
MSNBC, the perfect home for a liberal. And thanks DesNews for keeping us all
abreast of Jon Jr and his family. Hope you're getting paid for this.
patriot,"....I know Chris Mathews graduated in Cheerleading from
liberal tech but that is about the extent of the credentials."______________________________Matthews served on the Congressional
staff of Utah Senator Frank Moss, then later worked in the White House during
the Carter Administration.
It's not hard to see from some of these mean-spirited rants why Miss
Huntsman left Utah. I guess it would be too nice to wish her well in her new
job. What's the sound of a shrinking tent? "RINO! RINO!
By the way, this is the same Abby Huntsman who, in an interview with Brian
Williams, made it clear that she is no longer affiliated with the LDS Church and
wants our temples to be open to the public and for the Church to be more modern
and keep up with the times. Likewise, she (and her dad) want the Republican
Party to move away from its platform and become more like...Democrats. Surprised
she's on MSNBC, the news agency for the radical left?
Looks like she has become another tool in the george soros toolbox being used to
attack the repub party. I doubt the most solidly national barack channel will
let her ever say anything negative about BO or the dems no matter how much they
let her go off on conservatives.Let’s rollNo political
power? Speaker of the house is no power? Governor mansions and statehouses of
many if not most states? No power? Really?The Rock,Compared
to what else they have there, I guess she should earn praise, but she is still a
tool.Patriot,Don’t bother with Tyler D, he insists CO2
is pollution.Craig ClarkMoss and Carter, huh? Cannot get much
lower of a recommendation than that.
MSNBC, huh? A PERFECT network for her to work out. What in the name of Keith
Olbermann is going on here?
@Mark BAnd I guess anyone who disagrees with you is an extremist?What is that sound, "EXTREMIST! EXTREMIST!", it is the sound of
the intolerant and hateful tent of the left.
@ Fishback - Salt Lake City, Ut - "BO, Patriot, and Liberal - who are the
voices of the Republican Party today? Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Coulter? Cruz?
Bachman? Romney? Palin? The GOP has never elected a President, nor had a
respectable national leader that spews the nonsense from today's voices in
the party. Since the 1988 election (when Rush was nationally syndicated), the
GOP has only won the popular vote once and becoming increasingly difficult based
on unfavorable future demographics."Good point. We
(conservatives) have won only one populuar vote since 1988. And I'd come
back and say 1988 was about the time that the liberals on the left started to
actively/agressively push an unfettered liberal agenda through control of 99% of
our nation's media outlets.See the connection?...How long, Lord, how long? Seriously, how long?...
To 1conservative,You made an inappropriate analogy, and that is you
lowered the creditability of the Enquirer to the level of MSNBC. The Enquirer
is a lot more credible than MSNBC ever dreamed of being.
To everyone who always mock Fox News' "Fair and Balanced" mantra,
at least they have people like Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes, Lanny Davis, and many
other diehard liberals come on the shows pretty much every day. They get beat
up and shouted down, but at least they get invited. I've seen
the so-called Republicans and conservatives on MSNBC, but I have yet to see any
of them engage in real debate or opposition to any of the claptrap on that
channel. Almost always, they're disaffected in some way, apologizing for
fellow Republicans, as if anyone asked them to do so. MSNBC is so
convinced of their ideological worldview they can never consider an actual
opposing viewpoint, but they'll listen to those who are slightly less
extreme. Ann Huntsman is their predictable style of "opposition." I
think she's great, but let's not pretend this moves the balance needle
at that network very much.
She doesn't sound like a conservative to me. And as for Stanley
Crouch's comments, it's not the place of anyone outside the GOP to
tell the GOP what is "extreme."
The real story: A young woman from Utah is working for a liberal broadcaster,
and conservative Utahans (mostly men) rally on their church's
newspaper's website to rail on and defame her. That is the
attitude that is costing Republicans elections. That is reason that most young
adults are Democrats or moderates. That is the reason that Republicans will
probably lose the 2016 Presidential election. Negative attitudes (sexism,
racism, xenophobia, hatred and fear of the opposition) have been attached to the
party, and the party need's to makeover it image. No, it needs to find its
soul. Best of luck on MSNBC, Ms. Huntsman. Whether they agree
with you or not, REAL Republicans will treat you with civility and respect
(which are virtues that were once espoused by the GOP), and are proud of the
good work that you do.
Interesting. I'm not a fan of the Huntsmans anyway.
MSNBC's Alan Colmes. Alan Colmes seems like a decent, sincere
man. But he lacked the passion & charisma needed to be an effective
advocate...which is precisely why FOX wanted him.
The ultra right wing conservative writers above don't realize that they are
the ones that are destroying our Constitution. The Constitution is a
product of compromise. It is for all the people, not just the religious
right.Huntsman is a moderate. Most Americans are moderates. The
religious right wingers have had their 15 minutes. The pendulum is moving back
to the middle. Abby Huntsman has a brain and an opinion. She has that
right. No pun intended. I applaud Abby for being open in her opinions.
The vitriol on this particular blog is disheartening and probably one reason why
are nation is heading the wrong direction.
@ Oatmeal...I agree with your comments... Some of the
comments found here demonstrate the fact that ultra conservatives (Tea Partiers)
truly are waging a war on women.. Interesting evidence herein....
“Huntsman wants the Republican Party, her Republican Party, to sensibly
get with today, to tune out the extremists who have taken over the party,”
Ms Huntsman - you mean those "extremists" who believe the
U.S. Constitution should be adhered to? And those "extremists" who
believe in fiscal responsibility, freedom, and "We The People" instead
of YOU the government? You mean those "extremists" who want to actually
secure our borders, and want a military that can defend this country?? Are those
the "extremists" who you are talking about??
Abby: Congrats on a great start in media. You and your dad are not liberal loons
like many of the right wing extremists are saying but sensible Republicans. If
more Republicans were like you and your dad, the party would be a lot more
viable and competitive. Keep up the great work!
"Megan Kelly is a lawyer and also clerked for the US Supreme Court. Name
someone on MSNBC that comes close to that."Check out the resume of
Rachel Maddow. Compare to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Kelly, etc. I think
she comes "close".
patriot, what do you expect? Abby Huntsman work for the most reactionary,
fringe-right wing media outlet in the country--Fox News? I'm sorry but you
are basically the pot calling the kettle black.
I have not watched the program but find laughable the some of the comments.
Anyone who does not march in lockstep with the, so called, conservative wing is
immediately labeled with the dreaded RINO tag. Seems the vaunted Republican big
tent continues to shrink. Lets see only one line of thought permitted, no
tolerance for outside opinion where have I heard that before? Oh yeah that
worked well for the former Soviet Union. Current "conservative"
thinking reminds me of a line from an old "MASH" episode. In the words
of the immortal Maj. Frank Burns,"unless we follow our leaders blindly,
unless we all obey, we can never be free."
I am not under 30, I am not a woman, and I am not a Republican... However I
wonder how many young capable women that hold a lot of views that align with the
Republican party would think if they read these comments...The
desire for ideological purity, the ad hominum attacks, the "small tent"
mentality... is it any wonder that on a national level some Republican
strategists see a demographic time bomb sitting under the GOP?There
are not enough old, angry, white males left in American to win a national office
using the politics of fear and separation. Like I said, I am not a
Republican, so I guess it is not my problem, but if I see the train wreck
coming, why don't more Republicans?
Right on tdlawton. The disaster isn't hard to see at all. BTW amidst all
the tea party clatter the Republicans nominated Romney a moderate. The only
reason he was accepted in Utah was because of his religion. The voices you hear
on this thread belittling Ms. Huntsman and denigrating MSNBC are extreme and
uniformed.Fair and balanced? Just last night Chris Hayes (a Brown
graduate), was talking about the NC voter laws and had on the state
representative who wrote the law. When talking about the new drug law rules he
had on the person from the Bush administration responsible for drug enforcement
speaking against the new rules (good deal for drug dealers). I often don't
fully agree with Mr. Hayes but I know I can count on an informed discussion on
his program...never seen that depth of discussion on Fox.
Who's waging the war on women? Not a single comment on this thread attacks
Huntsman because of her gender. Not one. Yet, so many claim the GOP has a
"war on women" because she has been criticized for her political
leanings. How utterly insulting to women everywhere to act as though
criticizing professional women in the same manner as their male counterparts is
inappropriate because of their gender. Just another typical liberal strategy -
separate voting blocs by race, gender, and economic status, demean them by
categorizing them as defenseless victims, then claim the GOP is waging war on
them.Although there's a growing class of self-imposed victims
that will keep Democrats viable, strong women don't need your victim label
and condescending protection. I suspect Abby Huntsman can take the criticism,
and would reject the ridiculous notion that it's disrespectful to women to
criticize her. But, if she stays with MSNBC long, that could very possibly
It is interesting to note the anger that seems to define the far right in Utah,
evident by these posts. It is also interesting to note the religious pride that
seeps through some of the comments. It appears that it is a worse offense in
Utah not to be the right kind of LDS Republican than it is to be a
it is amazing to me, how some continue to foist their religious beliefs off on
others and are so ready to condem others that don't believe as they do.
The church (LDS) has always been about "tolerance and love" but to so
many LDS members it is "tolerance and love* *as long as you believe as I
do and agree with me. I am FOR traditional marriage. but it is not
my call to condem others who may not believe that way. I am AGAINST
abortion, I will council against it when asked, but I am pro-choice because for
those who do not believe as I do, they have a legal right to that choice. it is
the law of the land, you know the one that we believe in honoring and
sustaining. the extreme positions of the T-party and the far
religious right are the reasons I left the republican party. it is the reason
their support is declining, their influence mocked. they need to get with the
program before it is too late. not that the Dems are any better mind you.
It's the economy. We can pretend all we want that Barack Obama won because
Republicans failed to sell themselves to women or whatever, but economics is
ultimately why Republicans are struggling right now. Republicans definitely like
to squander the hard earned money of taxpayers, but they do so on a MUCH lower
scale than Democrats, and it has devastated them at the polls. Barack Obama has
doubled food stamp spending in this country since W was in office. That's
why he won the election. Mitt Romney promised to cut off all kinds of special
interests. That's why he lost. Plain and simple. My prediction, another
MSNBC program will fail miserably because it fails to address the real problem
in Washington, which is an economic problem. The whole Republican war on women
shtick is getting old.
@TMR - below are a few golden nuggets from liberals or Democrats on this
thread:"Some of the comments found here demonstrate the fact
that ultra conservatives (Tea Partiers) truly are waging a war on women.. The ultra right wing conservative writers above don't realize that they
are the ones that are destroying our Constitution." Owlmaster2"The voices you hear on this thread belittling Ms. Huntsman and
denigrating MSNBC are extreme and uniformed." Pragmatistferlife"There are not enough old, angry, white males left in American to win a
national office using the politics of fear and separation." tdlawton"...the most reactionary, fringe-right wing media outlet in the
country--Fox News" Kings Court"What's the sound of a
shrinking tent? "RINO! RINO! RINO!" Mark B"The GOP has
never elected a President, nor had a respectable national leader that spews the
nonsense from today's voices in the party." FishbackI
realize many liberals live under the delusion that criticism of conservatives is
merely accurate commentary, whereas criticism of liberals is "anger" and
"religious pride." Seems you're either a pot or a kettle, and
don't realize it.
TMR,"...It appears that it is a worse offense in Utah not to be
the right kind of LDS Republican than it is to be a garden-variety
liberal."______________________________I've known so
many Mormon Republicans who talk as though political and social conservatism is
an absolute tenet of the faith. They quote General Authorities to back up that
view without taking into account that a high percentage of Church leaders come
from professional backgrounds as successful businessmen who naturally tend to be
To LetsDebate: no doubt there are those on the left who are just as unreasonable
as those on the right; however, it does seem pretty clear to me that those on
the right play the religion card far more often, especially in LDS society (I
agree with Craig Clark). There are multiple posts on this article that refer to
their own affiliation with the LDS church or refer to Huntsman's activity
or lack thereof in the church as some sort of contextual premise on which to
evaluate his politics or the politics of his daughter(s). It strikes me that
such a posture is no less than religious arrogance.
Abby lives the life she has chosen to live.Different strokes for
different folks.No problem.BTW... thanks to those
special DN readers, for reminding her why she decided to move on...
Let’s roll,Your initial comment said REPUBLICAN or conservative
– you did not distinguish then, why are you doing so now. But to more
fully answer your question, a RINO is better than a dem; not much, but some.You really think Obamacare would have passed had nancy not been the
speaker? NO legislation gets through the house that the speaker does not allow
to come before that body.Something positive from the current
speaker? He has held BO in check. Stopping, or at least slowing, the decline
is very positive!And please, where did I say ANYTHING about her
faith or lack thereof. I suspect the church you attend also teaches against
false accusations – along with the proscription on bearing false witness.
@VSTI have been a registered Republican since 1979. Thanks for
@TMR - and, there have been many on this thread that believe they are better
Mormons than the conservative brand because they are so open minded and
compassionate toward the less fortunate because they believe in taking by
governmental force from those who have, and give it to the needy (after
administrative fees, waste, fraud, and abuse, of course). I guess
you see what you want to see, and there is much of self righteousness and
judgmentalism on both sides. The references I provided earlier certainly dispel
the notion that sanctimonious liberals are a fringe minority. The fact is Abby
Huntsman has taken it upon herself to counsel the church on how to better
modernize it, even though she is to some extent disaffected from her religion
and does not actively participate in it, by her own admission. Likewise, she
apparently believes the GOP should be much more like the DNP. She is certainly
entitled to her own opinion, but she clearly opened herself up to criticism by
faithful members and Republicans.
Only one word needs to be uttered to explain the behavior of many on this
comment forum, who are sharing their thoughts about Abby Huntsman...........JEALOUSY.
To those who claim Abby Huntsman is a RINO: you pushing your party to appeal to
a smaller group of ideals held by smaller groups of people. Jon Huntsman was the
GOP's best chance at the presidency in 2012, if only extreme elements of
the party could remove their blinders and notice. Growing obstinance from
fundamentalists and purists are pushing your party to extinction. You should
welcome those who are willing to call themselves Republicans--elephants are
@riverofsunJealousy? Of what? I view her recent
commentary regarding the LDS Church and the Republican Party as selfish,
puerile, and offensive. She's entitled to her views just as I'm
entitled to criticize them. But how is that jealousy? If I wanted to
be a liberal woman with a silver spoon in my mouth, I'd understand. But my
views regarding her would be no different if she had been born in a ghetto.You and your friends in the radical left feel it's your prerogative
to spew hate and misinformation, but you can't handle criticism. And your
tolerance extends only to those who share your views.
@StudentofReasonYou're obviously not a student of math.Huntsman could only muster support from 2% of the GOP in the 2012
primaries. How did that make him the party's best candidate? 98% of the
party disagreed with you.
MSNBC and FOX are opposite sides of the same coin - neither are reliable
sources.It is truly sad that people are forced into one camp or the
other. I was a lifelong democrat (never have voted for a republican), but that
party's attacks on my values and religious freedom have pushed me away. I
still cannot sign up with the republicans, mainly becasue of their distain for
the poor and downtrodden.As a Christian, I cannot support either
party totally without betraying my values.
I hope the comments on this article educate DNews editors on the character of
their (online) readers. Many commenters don't grasp that their Democratic
counterparts are also moral and ethical individuals, and instead equate
conservatism with the moral high-ground. This demeans all views that don't
agree with their own, and is antithetical to compromise and democracy. Abby Huntsman voices her concern that this behavior will cripple the party in
time, and other Republicans react by wanting to force her out of the party--Your
behavior is proving her own point.
@OatmealI'm assuming you've never read the comment section
at Salt Lake's other prominent newspaper website. Compared to the hate and
nastiness over there, the DN comment board is pretty tame.Perhaps
you're one of those who feel it is actually okay to spew venom, just so
long as the people you like are never touched.
@MapleDon2% sounds like a nice number to pull out of your hat and
try to make a point with but it's wrong. Huntsman placed third with 17% in
the only primary he ran in, New Hampshire, and the two who beat him, Romney
(39%) and Paul (23%) had name recognition from running there in 2008. If
Huntsman runs in 2016 he will probably improve on his own 2012 numbers, plus win
a good chunk of Romney's 2012 vote. Even if Rand runs and gets Ron's
vote, Huntsman could take New Hampshire.Numbers aside, there is no
doubt Huntsman was their best and most qualified 2012 candidate.
MapleDon, Mitt did have more support among conservatives, but all the
nation's conservatives did a better job at failing to put him into office
than anyone predicted. Jon Huntsman was the *only* conservative candidate who
could have garnered substantial minority and moderate votes--which are vital for
winning the presidency going forward. You are right that Huntsman would have
never made it past the modern conservative primaries, but he's also the
only candidate with relatively conservative ideas who could have won a popular
vote. Many moderates would have gladly voted for Matheson, but wouldn't
touch the rest of the GOP field. Did you see the rest of the Republican
candidates in 2012? Most have even banked harder to the right since then. The
far-right is forcing the party into a corner they cannot get out of.
@ClarkHippo:There is never a reason to spew venom at anyone,
especially those we disagree with. To do so weakens our own arguments. And it
is just plain wrong. Have we all forgotten the concept of civility in public
discourse? Or the Golden Rule? We are all the children of the same God. And we
should act like it, even when posting comments on a newspaper story.
@LetsDebate, It's hardly anger when I say those who belittle and denigrate
are extreme and uninformed. Go back and read many of these posts. Calling
Abbey a RINO pawn, a pretender, and calling MSNBC, Marxists, looney leftys,
radical etc. hardly promotes the "lets debate agenda" and fully
qualifies as uninformed..Marxists, loonies, radical..please.
@ Lost in DCIs there a distinction between Conservative principles
and Republican principles? I certainly didn't intend to make one, I would
hope they would be one and the same. I said I support the promotion of
Conservative principles. I would hope my fellow Republicans would be of the
same mind.That said, it's clear at this point that Republicans
need to either enlarge their tent or become accustomed to being the minority
party. I'm willing to try to find common ground and make progress on those
issues. To me, that's more palatable that pointing to what is not being
done in Washington as an accomplishment. Finally, I didn't
accuse you of anything. I understand Ms. Huntsman has said herself that she has
left the Church, hence my comment, which didn't reference you at all. You
did call her a "tool" (twice) but I will leave it up to you as to
whether you were using that term in a pejorative manner.
She is one of the reasons that I would NEVER vote for Jon Huntsman Jr.
@StudentofReasonI also hope the comments on this article educate
DNews editors on the character of their (online) readers. Many commenters
don't grasp that their Republican counterparts are also moral and ethical
individuals, and instead equate liberalism with the moral high-ground. This
demeans all views that don't agree with their own, and is antithetical to
compromise and democracy. You may want to study Reason a little
more, starting with reconsidering that the above paragraph could only be
accurately written by your side, as originally posted by you. I also suggest
you venture into the real world to see actual venomous postings. DN posts are
extremely tame in comparison. Some need to grow thicker skin and realize
disagreement does not necessarily equal incivility.It seems to me,
overall, that conservatives debate ideas, including Huntsman's, while
liberal-minded commenters focus on ad-hominem personal attacks of little
substance. Conservatives don't like Huntsman's critique of
conservatism and the GOP (and some disagree with her critique of their
religion), but your response is the critiquers are mean-spirited.@pragmatistferlife - that you fail to see the nature of your contribution to
the dialogue only proves LetsDebate's point.
Republicans, with a few exceptions like Trey Gowdy, have gone the way of the
liberal in order to gain favor from special interests and win elections. And
it's going to bankrupt our nation. Oh well. The sooner we go bankrupt, the
sooner we can rebuild. Maybe liberalism isn't such a bad thing after all
Does anyone here seriously believe she would have gotten the job if her name had
not been "Huntsman"?
This registered Democrat is much more conservative than her.
I don't respect her at all. I watched her and Lamont Hill laughing and
making offensive references to the Mormon underware on a HuffPost production.
How she and Mr. Hill can claim tolerance while doing that makes no sense to me.
I think the heart of the matter lies in the fact that really the Huntsmans
don't fit in either the Republican or the Democrat party, but because
America is in-love with a two-party system, there really isn't room for
them anywhere. Jon seems to be fairly conservative fiscally, but I would imagine
some of his foreign policies and stances on moral issues would be different from
Republicans.*Sigh*...If only there were room at the table for
Libertarians...I would have taken either Jon Hunstman or Mitt Romney as
president over Barack Obama, but it was still unsettling that voting for Gary
Johnson would not really be a feasible option.
Lighten up on her. I know little about MSNBC or Abby Huntsman, but come up with
a nice way to disagree with her. Perhaps if you all decided to be civil you
would be able to dig down deep and come up with a more credible way to disagree
@ TekakaromatagiWell said. Abby and her dad make more sense than
most of the GOP. The craziest part is a lot of them would rather lose to Hillary
than win behind a semi-moderate like Huntsman.